To the "Flat Earthers"!!

Thanks Darrel, here is another circumnavigation of the world pole to
pole....

http://transglobe-expedition.org/expedition/

PanAm Also had a flight over the south pole.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Icu_44iVDA8

http://www.airliners.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=771437

https://www.facebook.com/Flight50/

So yes, flights, and other expeditions...

But I know you will never let reality get in the way of your fantasy George.

Remember the fantasy when you weren't going to talk about Flat Earth on
this list anymore?

John Berry

On Wed, Jan 10, 2018 at 6:18 AM, Darrell Evans [email protected]
[EVGRAY] <[email protected]> wrote:

>
>
> Here you go George my friend!
>
> Around the world, over the poles
> <https://www.aopa.org/news-and-media/all-news/2015/january/22/around-the-world-over-the-poles>
>
> Around the world, over the poles
>
> During a 24-day pole-to-pole adventure filled with dynamic weather
> conditions and unanticipated routing changes ...
>
> <https://www.aopa.org/news-and-media/all-news/2015/january/22/around-the-world-over-the-poles>
>
>
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>
>
>
> On Tuesday, January 9, 2018, 8:23:08 AM PST, Warren Keillor
> [email protected] [EVGRAY] <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
>
> George
> The bible is a document, that has evolved from a middle Eastern desert
> people who developed a writen language, and spread through Romans into
> Europe. For centuries it was a complete library, to many, of human
> knowledge. It was a source of entertainment, law, psychology, medical
> advice, philosophy, and ethical direction.
> It in turn was writen, and rewriten, by a whole series of people over the
> centuries. Depending on the author, wars were fought, thousands died and
> were tortured, over various versions of text. Vigilantes, sought to
> exterminate anybody with the wrong publication.
> Literary critics took a harsh view of any writing they didn't like.
> Special attention was given to people who "heard voices" ,( as many
> creative types can be prone to.) These people were sure they were being
> told things by that voice in their heads.
> Rather than those funny little elves in orange hats, who carry very little
> status, why not ascribe those voices to God, who trumps all, and can't be
> readily cross examined, except by someone equally "gifted".
> The formation of family units where the father is the complete autocrat
> with dictatorial powers over his entire brood, spouse, and perhaps
> followers, even though, he may be exhibiting clear markers for mental
> illness, seems to be supported in numerous stories.
> In one story, the kid's bonkers old man is going to cut his son's throat,
> hearing a voice in his head telling him to do this.
> If your neighbour into doing this, a call to emergency services, child
> protection authorities, and mental health professionals, is in order,
> although response by police in body armour, tasers, and Glocks, might be
> more disturbing to the neighbourhood, leaving an even larger blood pool,
> then a mere severed neck artery of a little kid.
> Mind you those teenagers can be pretty pesky, and many parents might be
> sympathized with, resorting to the knife.
> Perhaps in some states, a lenient court might consider him legally insane,
> as opposed to murder #1, but that bible guy is going to have to buy some
> pretty expensive legal expertise, and will certainly do time in a secure
> mental institution.
> God to the rescue! Maybe a damn big lightening bolt blowing off the
> courthouse door, might do it.
> Charles Manson, and the Reverend Jim Jones, both made themselves
> (in)famous as cult leaders, and autocrats.
> The divine right of kings, that blessing by God, to lord over other
> people, because you, yes, you, have been specially chosen.
> In one Dunieden mental hospital in NZ, I heard from a nurse who worked
> there, thatthere were no less than 9 Jesus Christs. One can only speculate
> how the dialog between them might go.
> Don't throw your bible away, who knows, it might be great source material?
> Cheers Warren
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
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>
> On Tue, Jan 9, 2018 at 7:38 AM, george gray [email protected]
> [EVGRAY]
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
> You called it a religion, must we throw out the bible as it confirms a
> flat earth.  Is that what you think we must do to believe in a ball earth,
> throw out the bible?
> <http://testingtheglobe.com/bible.html>
>
> <http://testingtheglobe.com/bible.html>
> The Bible and the Still Flat Earth <http://testingtheglobe.com/bible.html>
>
>
> The Bible and the Still Flat Earth
> <http://testingtheglobe.com/bible.html>
>
> 60 Bible Verses Describing A Flat Earth Inside A Dome - Reflection of mind
> <http://reflectionofmind.org/60-bible-verses-describing-flat-earth-inside-dome/>
>
>
> 60 Bible Verses Describing A Flat Earth Inside A Dome - Reflection of mind
> In this article you can find a number of verses from the Bible without any
> commentary, taken as they were, most ...
>
> <http://reflectionofmind.org/60-bible-verses-describing-flat-earth-inside-dome/>
>
> The Biblical Flat Earth: The Teaching From Scripture
> <http://www.philipstallings.com/2015/06/the-biblical-flat-earth-teaching-from.html>
>
>
> The Biblical Flat Earth: The Teaching From Scripture
> As a Christian, the flat earth begins and ends with Scripture. While the
> evidence continues to mount, and has, f...
>
> <http://www.philipstallings.com/2015/06/the-biblical-flat-earth-teaching-from.html>
>
> There are 2 attachments about this as well.
> George
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* "John Berry [email protected] [EVGRAY]" <
> [email protected]>
> *To:* EVGRAY YahooGroups <[email protected]>
> *Sent:* Monday, 8 January 2018, 23:35
> *Subject:* Re: [EVGRAY] To the "Flat Earthers"!!
>
>
> It has been.
>
> And the south pole has been gone to many times.
>
> And you cannot present to me one iota of evidence for a flat earth.  You
> will now, not something that can't be easily shown to be false.
>
> Flat earth is a religion, it relies on faith and makes obnoxious attempts
> to convert people..
>
> Also, scams do that too.
>
> John Berry
>
> On Tue, Jan 9, 2018 at 12:52 AM, george gray [email protected]
> [EVGRAY] <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
> Lutz,
>
> The earth has been circumnavigated east to west millions of times but not
> once has it been done north to south. Ask yourself WHY? Because it is
> impossible on the flat earth.
> George
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* "Lutz Liebers [email protected] [EVGRAY]" <[email protected]
> >
> *To:* [email protected]
> *Sent:* Monday, 8 January 2018, 7:18
> *Subject:* Re: [EVGRAY] To the "Flat Earthers"!!
>
>
> Why do those flat earthers never show the underside of their flat earth?
> This would prove how flat it is, really.
>
> But here comes the ultimate proof that the earth is flat - the pope cannot
> fail (by definition):
> https://ixquick-proxy.com/do/ spg/show_picture.pl?l=deutsch&
> rais=1&oiu=https%3A%2F% 2Fchemtrailsplanet.files.
> wordpress.com%2F2015%2F07% 2Fvatican-100-lire-coin-1985-
> pope-john-paul.jpg&sp= 3583a2329cda3cb7736c20f6c112bc 5d
> <https://ixquick-proxy.com/do/spg/show_picture.pl?l=deutsch&rais=1&oiu=https%3A%2F%2Fchemtrailsplanet..files.wordpress.com%2F2015%2F07%2Fvatican-100-lire-coin-1985-pope-john-paul..jpg&sp=3583a2329cda3cb7736c20f6c112bc5d>
>
>
>
> Don't be mislead by the small airplane on top of the flat "urbi et orbi".
> It just shows, who else is engaged in the NWO...
> At least to me.
>
> That's not a fake coin, instead you can buy it:
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/ VATICAN-100-Lire-1985-
> BRILLIANT-UNCIRCULATED-MINT- SET/322902720088?hash= item4b2e807e58:g:
> 0K4AAOSwZqZaGMO9
> <https://www.ebay.com/itm/VATICAN-100-Lire-1985-BRILLIANT-UNCIRCULATED-MINT-SET/322902720088?hash=item4b2e807e58:g:0K4AAOSwZqZaGMO9>
> https://www.ebay.de/itm/ VATICANO-Papa-Giovanni-Paolo-
> II-100-Lire-1985-FDC/ 253345661959?hash= item3afc940407:g: uR8AAOSw9GhYcSuz
> <https://www.ebay.de/itm/VATICANO-Papa-Giovanni-Paolo-II-100-Lire-1985-FDC/253345661959?hash=item3afc940407:g:uR8AAOSw9GhYcSuz>
> https://www.ebay.de/itm/City- of-Vatican-100-lire-1985-Paul-
> II-from-unc-set/162839155214? epid=102039264&hash= item25e9f8520e:g:
> hSwAAOSwXOhaUVG3
> <https://www.ebay.de/itm/City-of-Vatican-100-lire-1985-Paul-II-from-unc-set/162839155214?epid=102039264&hash=item25e9f8520e:g:hSwAAOSwXOhaUVG3>
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>

WernerI am still hoping to see new replications of the Don Smith device.It seemed to reach a frenzy of reports, then nothing.It almost appears they get edited out.Does somethng just fall out of the zeitgueist spontaneously?I have done some little experiments that teased me with surprising results.I feel there is great potential somewhere in the combination of induction, air cored high frequency coils, spark gaps, and in my case, Tesla spiral coils, flopped on induction stove tops, driving a 3 horse power dc motor at extreme speed, like a dremel tool.I have purchased a little induction furnace power supply to do further experiments to see if I can get this phenomena to run continuously without  the Salton stove top cooking pot detection circuit shutting the experiment down.Cheers Warren

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  On Tue, Jan 9, 2018 at 9:18 PM, werner held [email protected] [EVGRAY]<[email protected]> wrote:       

JUST CURIOUS   HOW IN THE HELL DID   EVGRAY  GROUP GET ON THIS    S T U P I D  TOPIC    ???????????????????& WHY IS IT CONTINUING!!!!!!! 

    On Tuesday, January 9, 2018 5:53 PM, "John Berry [email protected] [EVGRAY]" <[email protected]> wrote:
 

     No, if there is one thing I know, George will never every learn.
No flat earther is able to.


John Berry
On Wed, Jan 10, 2018 at 2:48 PM, [email protected] [EVGRAY] <[email protected]> wrote:

     Apparently the list goes on and on John. I hope this  finally puts an end to this "Flat Earth" topic once and for all! Thanks for the backup material my friend....  ;o)

 
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GeorgeYou make shit up.You should get a job as a preacher.Cheers Warren

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  On Wed, Jan 10, 2018 at 3:42 AM, george gray [email protected] [EVGRAY]<[email protected]> wrote:       

Warren,
I thought that people might see that the bible supports a flat earth, but I guess ball earthers won't pay much attention to the bible.
If the earth is a sphere and is spinning around the sun, then we should really get rid of the bible.
No experiment has ever been performedwith such excruciating persistence and meticulous precision, and inevery conceivable manner, than that of trying to detect and measurethe motion of the Earth.
Yet they have all consistently andcontinually yielded a velocity for the Earth of exactly ZERO mph. Thetoil of thousands of exasperated researchers, in the extremely variedexperiments of Arago, De Coudre's induction, Fizeau, Fresnell drag,Hoek, Jaseja's lasers, Jenkins, Klinkerfuess, Michelson-Morleyinterferometry, Lord Rayleigh's polarimetry, Troughton-Noble torque,and the famous 'Airy's Failure' experiment, all conclusively failedto show any rotational or translational movement for the earth,whatsoever.
Some of these did of coursedemonstrate the existence of the ether and ether drag. In otherwords, every experiment formulated, devised, constructed, conductedand repeated by every empirical scientist in human history that hasattempted to objectively confirm the empirical premises underlyingthe Copernican Heliocentric model, to wit: that the earth is rotatingon its own axis at approximately 1037+ plus miles and hour (at theequator) and that the earth is orbiting the sun at the alleged speedof approximately 67,000 mph has come up with an absolutely nullresult…it has been repeatedly, conclusively, empirically andirrefutably scientifically demonstrated tens of thousands of timesthat the earth simply does not move.
No legitimate scientificexperiment ever conducted has indicated otherwise. At this point thishas become firmly fixed, confirmed, indubitable and unquestionablyestablished (but utterly suppressed) peer reviewed science, despiteall of the absurd, groundless, irrational, pseudo-scientific, strictlyexternal reality free grossly theoretical attempts (with no externalreferences) to make this empirical truth, fact and reality “goaway”.
Since the earth is and has been conclusively proven to bemotionless, the Copernican Heliocentric model has been absolutely,conclusively and decisively refuted. People can ignore the unrefuted and irrefutable scientific evidence and dogmatically andclose-mindedly cling to the now utterly refuted and disprovenpseudo-scientific myth and religion of Copernican Heliocentristicscientism and evolutionism, walking in step with millions ofother intelligent but uninformed and deluded people if they wish, butknow that they do so despite all the relevant continually confirmed,repeated and repeatable scientific evidence and at the risk of theloss of any scientific and intellectual honesty, integrity andcredibility they may have once possessed.
 We have obediently accepted Astronomy through education indoctrination.  People's love of Space is programmed by books, TV shows and movies.  The concept of no Space is incomprehensible to them.
Then there is the fact that nobody can find the curvature that goes with a ball earth; the truth is that no matter how high they go they can't find the curvature unless a Go-Pro lens is used.

Many people have the pride of higher learning. They have their bachelor in physics and their masters and tell us not to talk about the flat earth.  They say that science proved the Earth is a sphere a long time ago.  We live in a heliocentric solar system.  Galileo observed four moons orbiting Saturn with his telescope in 1610.
They go on to say: "I don't need to look at flat earth proofs.  I know the earth is not flat.  All the scientists in the world know the earth is not flat.  If you had half a brain you would know the earth is not flat."
The truth is, it is very difficult to shake free from 16+ years of programming where they spent 12 years in school, 4 years in college, 2 years for masters and 8 years average for PhD.
After 16+ years of programming comes Pride, Accomplishment and Absolute Knowledge.  The danger of Pride and Absolute Knowledge is when they come across evidence that challenges their Absolute Knowledge, their Pride won't allow it.
George
      From: "Warren Keillor [email protected] [EVGRAY]" <[email protected]>
 To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> 
 Sent: Wednesday, 10 January 2018, 3:23
 Subject: Re: [EVGRAY] To the "Flat Earthers"!!
  
    GeorgeThe bible is a document, that has evolved from a middle Eastern desert people who developed a writen language, and spread through Romans into Europe. For centuries it was a complete library, to many, of human knowledge. It was a source of entertainment, law, psychology, medical advice, philosophy, and ethical direction.It in turn was writen, and rewriten, by a whole series of people over the centuries. Depending on the author, wars were fought, thousands died and were tortured, over various versions of text. Vigilantes, sought to exterminate anybody with the wrong publication.
Literary critics took a harsh view of any writing they didn't like.Special attention was given to people who "heard voices" ,( as many creative types can be prone to.) These people were sure they were being told things by that voice in their heads.Rather than those funny little elves in orange hats, who carry very little status, why not ascribe those voices to God, who trumps all, and can't be readily cross examined, except by someone equally "gifted".The formation of family units where the father is the complete autocrat with dictatorial powers over his entire brood, spouse, and perhaps followers, even though, he may be exhibiting clear markers for mental illness, seems to be supported in numerous stories.In one story, the kid's bonkers old man is going to cut his son's throat, hearing a voice in his head telling him to do this.If your neighbour into doing this, a call to emergency services, child protection authorities, and mental health professionals, is in order, although response by police in body armour, tasers, and Glocks, might be more disturbing to the neighbourhood, leaving an even larger blood pool, then a mere severed neck artery of a little kid.Mind you those teenagers can be pretty pesky, and many parents might be sympathized with, resorting to the knife.Perhaps in some states, a lenient court might consider him legally insane, as opposed to murder #1, but that bible guy is going to have to buy some pretty expensive legal expertise, and will certainly do time in a secure mental institution.God to the rescue! Maybe a damn big lightening bolt blowing off the courthouse door, might do it.Charles Manson, and the Reverend Jim Jones, both made themselves (in)famous as cult leaders, and autocrats.The divine right of kings, that blessing by God, to lord over other people, because you, yes, you, have been specially chosen.In one Dunieden mental hospital in NZ, I heard from a nurse who worked there, thatthere were no less than 9 Jesus Christs. One can only speculate how the dialog between them might go.Don't throw your bible away, who knows, it might be great source material?Cheers Warren
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      From: "John Berry [email protected] [EVGRAY]" <[email protected]>
 To: EVGRAY YahooGroups <[email protected]> 
 Sent: Monday, 8 January 2018, 23:35
 Subject: Re: [EVGRAY] To the "Flat Earthers"!!
  
    It has been.
And the south pole has been gone to many times.
And you cannot present to me one iota of evidence for a flat earth.  You will now, not something that can't be easily shown to be false.
Flat earth is a religion, it relies on faith and makes obnoxious attempts to convert people..
Also, scams do that too.
John Berry
On Tue, Jan 9, 2018 at 12:52 AM, george gray [email protected] [EVGRAY] <[email protected]> wrote:

     Lutz,
The earth has been circumnavigated east to west millions of times but not once has it been done north to south. Ask yourself WHY? Because it is impossible on the flat earth.George

      From: "Lutz Liebers [email protected] [EVGRAY]" <[email protected]>
 To: [email protected] 
 Sent: Monday, 8 January 2018, 7:18
 Subject: Re: [EVGRAY] To the "Flat Earthers"!!
   
     Why do those flat earthers never show the underside of their flat earth? 
 This would prove how flat it is, really.
 
 But here comes the ultimate proof that the earth is flat - the pope cannot fail (by definition): 
 https://ixquick-proxy.com/do/ spg/show_picture.pl?l=deutsch& rais=1&oiu=https%3A%2F% 2Fchemtrailsplanet.files. wordpress.com%2F2015%2F07% 2Fvatican-100-lire-coin-1985- pope-john-paul.jpg&sp= 3583a2329cda3cb7736c20f6c112bc 5d
 
 
 
 Don't be mislead by the small airplane on top of the flat "urbi et orbi". 
 It just shows, who else is engaged in the NWO... 
 At least to me.
 
 That's not a fake coin, instead you can buy it:
 https://www.ebay.com/itm/ VATICAN-100-Lire-1985- BRILLIANT-UNCIRCULATED-MINT- SET/322902720088?hash= item4b2e807e58:g: 0K4AAOSwZqZaGMO9
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Hi George,

"No experiment has ever been performed with such excruciating persistence and meticulous precision, and in every conceivable manner, than that of trying to detect and measure the motion of the Earth."
The speed of the earth is seen relative to other other bodies in space. Watching the sun sweeping across the sky is one way to determine how fast it is spinning. Measuring the spin relative to nothing is hard or impossible. Measuring the earth's speed around the galaxy is very hard to do. Change in speed (acceleration and deceleration) is easy to do. Steady speed (no acceleration or deceleration) can't be done without something (fixed) to compare it to. If the part of our galaxy which we belong to moves at the same speed as we do we have no relative speed compared to that part and thus can't detect any movement relative to that part. Only by watching something moving relative to us we see some speed. We still won't know if we're fixed and the other parts are moving or if both we and the other parts are moving or if the other parts are fixed and we are moving. All we see is the relative speed between us as observers and the objects we are observing.

If we're floating in an aether (no reason to believe that we're not doing so) we will be carried with it like a boat carried with a flow of water. Thus a boat in a vortex or in the Atlantic golf stream won't be able to detect any speed between the vortex and itself as they both have the same speed (fixed to each other). Measuring to some distant reference point is what is needed. This is the problem in detecting the speed of the aether as we're fixed to it or floating in it. Measuring the density or pressure of the aether would be easier like measuring the vacuum permittivity and vacuum permeability. That would be more like measuring the atmospheric pressure while there is no speed of the wind detected. At no wind speed the wind moves exactly at the same speed as the ground and thus is fixed relative to the ground. While haven't been on the equator I guess that the wind there can move exactly at the same speed (and direction) as the ground and thus will be detected as not blowing or fixed relative to the ground. Same applies to the aether.

"Since the earth is and has been conclusively proven to be motionless,..."
Definitely no proof for that! Everything seems to be moving relative to each other. So there is no proof that we are a fixed center where everything else moves by. According to the theory of Wilbert B. Smith for existence there has to be movement. Stopping every movement disintegrates the particles into not existing anymore.

"They go on to say: "I don't need to look at flat earth proofs."
The problem is can anyone come up with such a proof that can't be disproved. If looking at the proofs of a globe earth they don't seem to be able to disprove (give it a try). For disproving a proof something better has to replace it. Coming up with something worse like the things claimed as proofs for the flat earth theory on YouTube shouldn't even be called proofs. This is definitely not the scientific method. First find the flaws in existing proofs and then come up with something better having an even better (more precise) explanation of the observations. Always refine and seek the truth. Keep evolving and let the religious people evolve too or let them stay in the dark ages but let them a least have a choice.

Perhaps after all it can be used to prove that what is written even in some of the oldest books doesn't have to be true no matter if it is the most sold book ever made. The scientific method isn't about popularity but about getting closer to the truth. Try using that method. You can enlighten yourself that way.

Regards
Ole


 

---In [email protected], <canowindracd@...> wrote :

 Warren,
 

 I thought that people might see that the bible supports a flat earth, but I guess ball earthers won't pay much attention to the bible.
 

 If the earth is a sphere and is spinning around the sun, then we should really get rid of the bible.
 

 
 No experiment has ever been performed with such excruciating persistence and meticulous precision, and in every conceivable manner, than that of trying to detect and measure the motion of the Earth.
 

 Yet they have all consistently and continually yielded a velocity for the Earth of exactly ZERO mph. The toil of thousands of exasperated researchers, in the extremely varied experiments of Arago, De Coudre's induction, Fizeau, Fresnell drag, Hoek, Jaseja's lasers, Jenkins, Klinkerfuess, Michelson-Morley interferometry, Lord Rayleigh's polarimetry, Troughton-Noble torque, and the famous 'Airy's Failure' experiment, all conclusively failed to show any rotational or translational movement for the earth, whatsoever.
 

 
 Some of these did of course demonstrate the existence of the ether and ether drag. In other words, every experiment formulated, devised, constructed, conducted and repeated by every empirical scientist in human history that has attempted to objectively confirm the empirical premises underlying the Copernican Heliocentric model, to wit: that the earth is rotating on its own axis at approximately 1037+ plus miles and hour (at the equator) and that the earth is orbiting the sun at the alleged speed of approximately 67,000 mph has come up with an absolutely null result…it has been repeatedly, conclusively, empirically and irrefutably scientifically demonstrated tens of thousands of times that the earth simply does not move.
 

 No legitimate scientific experiment ever conducted has indicated otherwise. At this point this has become firmly fixed, confirmed, indubitable and unquestionably established (but utterly suppressed) peer reviewed science, despite all of the absurd, groundless, irrational, pseudo-scientific, strictly external reality free grossly theoretical attempts (with no external references) to make this empirical truth, fact and reality “go away”.
 

 Since the earth is and has been conclusively proven to be motionless, the Copernican Heliocentric model has been absolutely, conclusively and decisively refuted. People can ignore the unrefuted and irrefutable scientific evidence and dogmatically and close-mindedly cling to the now utterly refuted and disproven pseudo-scientific myth and religion of Copernican Heliocentristic scientism and evolutionism, walking in step with millions of other intelligent but uninformed and deluded people if they wish, but know that they do so despite all the relevant continually confirmed, repeated and repeatable scientific evidence and at the risk of the loss of any scientific and intellectual honesty, integrity and credibility they may have once possessed.
 

 
 We have obediently accepted Astronomy through education indoctrination.  People's love of Space is programmed by books, TV shows and movies.  The concept of no Space is incomprehensible to them.
 

 Then there is the fact that nobody can find the curvature that goes with a ball earth; the truth is that no matter how high they go they can't find the curvature unless a Go-Pro lens is used.

 

 Many people have the pride of higher learning. They have their bachelor in physics and their masters and tell us not to talk about the flat earth.  They say that science proved the Earth is a sphere a long time ago.  We live in a heliocentric solar system.  Galileo observed four moons orbiting Saturn with his telescope in 1610.
 

 They go on to say: "I don't need to look at flat earth proofs.  I know the earth is not flat.  All the scientists in the world know the earth is not flat.  If you had half a brain you would know the earth is not flat."
 
 The truth is, it is very difficult to shake free from 16+ years of programming where they spent 12 years in school, 4 years in college, 2 years for masters and 8 years average for PhD.
 

 After 16+ years of programming comes Pride, Accomplishment and Absolute Knowledge.  The danger of Pride and Absolute Knowledge is when they come across evidence that challenges their Absolute Knowledge, their Pride won't allow it.
 

 George

OleI admire your response.I lose my patience, and as such, am a bad defender of science.Thank you for your dedicated work.Cheers Warren

Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
 
  On Wed, Jan 10, 2018 at 7:34 AM, [email protected] [EVGRAY]<[email protected]> wrote:       
Hi George,

"No experiment has ever been performedwith such excruciating persistence and meticulous precision, and inevery conceivable manner, than that of trying to detect and measurethe motion of the Earth."
The speed of the earth is seen relative to other other bodies in space. Watching the sun sweeping across the sky is one way to determine how fast it is spinning. Measuring the spin relative to nothing is hard or impossible. Measuring the earth's speed around the galaxy is very hard to do. Change in speed (acceleration and deceleration) is easy to do. Steady speed (no acceleration or deceleration) can't be done without something (fixed) to compare it to. If the part of our galaxy which we belong to moves at the same speed as we do we have no relative speed compared to that part and thus can't detect any movement relative to that part. Only by watching something moving relative to us we see some speed. We still won't know if we're fixed and the other parts are moving or if both we and the other parts are moving or if the other parts are fixed and we are moving. All we see is the relative speed between us as observers and the objects we are observing.

If we're floating in an aether (no reason to believe that we're not doing so) we will be carried with it like a boat carried with a flow of water. Thus a boat in a vortex or in the Atlantic golf stream won't be able to detect any speed between the vortex and itself as they both have the same speed (fixed to each other). Measuring to some distant reference point is what is needed. This is the problem in detecting the speed of the aether as we're fixed to it or floating in it. Measuring the density or pressure of the aether would be easier like measuring the vacuum permittivity and vacuum permeability. That would be more like measuring the atmospheric pressure while there is no speed of the wind detected. At no wind speed the wind moves exactly at the same speed as the ground and thus is fixed relative to the ground. While haven't been on the equator I guess that the wind there can move exactly at the same speed (and direction) as the ground and thus will be detected as not blowing or fixed relative to the ground. Same applies to the aether.

"Since the earth is and has been conclusively proven to bemotionless,..."
Definitely no proof for that! Everything seems to be moving relative to each other. So there is no proof that we are a fixed center where everything else moves by. According to the theory of Wilbert B. Smith for existence there has to be movement. Stopping every movement disintegrates the particles into not existing anymore.

"They go on to say: "I don't need to look at flat earth proofs."
The problem is can anyone come up with such a proof that can't be disproved. If looking at the proofs of a globe earth they don't seem to be able to disprove (give it a try). For disproving a proof something better has to replace it. Coming up with something worse like the things claimed as proofs for the flat earth theory on YouTube shouldn't even be called proofs. This is definitely not the scientific method. First find the flaws in existing proofs and then come up with something better having an even better (more precise) explanation of the observations. Always refine and seek the truth. Keep evolving and let the religious people evolve too or let them stay in the dark ages but let them a least have a choice.

Perhaps after all it can be used to prove that what is written even in some of the oldest books doesn't have to be true no matter if it is the most sold book ever made. The scientific method isn't about popularity but about getting closer to the truth. Try using that method. You can enlighten yourself that way.

Regards
Ole





---In [email protected], <canowindracd@...> wrote :

Warren,
I thought that people might see that the bible supports a flat earth, but I guess ball earthers won't pay much attention to the bible.
If the earth is a sphere and is spinning around the sun, then we should really get rid of the bible.
No experiment has ever been performedwith such excruciating persistence and meticulous precision, and inevery conceivable manner, than that of trying to detect and measurethe motion of the Earth.
Yet they have all consistently andcontinually yielded a velocity for the Earth of exactly ZERO mph. Thetoil of thousands of exasperated researchers, in the extremely variedexperiments of Arago, De Coudre's induction, Fizeau, Fresnell drag,Hoek, Jaseja's lasers, Jenkins, Klinkerfuess, Michelson-Morleyinterferometry, Lord Rayleigh's polarimetry, Troughton-Noble torque,and the famous 'Airy's Failure' experiment, all conclusively failedto show any rotational or translational movement for the earth,whatsoever.
Some of these did of coursedemonstrate the existence of the ether and ether drag. In otherwords, every experiment formulated, devised, constructed, conductedand repeated by every empirical scientist in human history that hasattempted to objectively confirm the empirical premises underlyingthe Copernican Heliocentric model, to wit: that the earth is rotatingon its own axis at approximately 1037+ plus miles and hour (at theequator) and that the earth is orbiting the sun at the alleged speedof approximately 67,000 mph has come up with an absolutely nullresult…it has been repeatedly, conclusively, empirically andirrefutably scientifically demonstrated tens of thousands of timesthat the earth simply does not move.
No legitimate scientificexperiment ever conducted has indicated otherwise. At this point thishas become firmly fixed, confirmed, indubitable and unquestionablyestablished (but utterly suppressed) peer reviewed science, despiteall of the absurd, groundless, irrational, pseudo-scientific, strictlyexternal reality free grossly theoretical attempts (with no externalreferences) to make this empirical truth, fact and reality “goaway”.
Since the earth is and has been conclusively proven to bemotionless, the Copernican Heliocentric model has been absolutely,conclusively and decisively refuted. People can ignore the unrefuted and irrefutable scientific evidence and dogmatically andclose-mindedly cling to the now utterly refuted and disprovenpseudo-scientific myth and religion of Copernican Heliocentristicscientism and evolutionism, walking in step with millions ofother intelligent but uninformed and deluded people if they wish, butknow that they do so despite all the relevant continually confirmed,repeated and repeatable scientific evidence and at the risk of theloss of any scientific and intellectual honesty, integrity andcredibility they may have once possessed.
We have obediently accepted Astronomy through education indoctrination.  People's love of Space is programmed by books, TV shows and movies.  The concept of no Space is incomprehensible to them.
Then there is the fact that nobody can find the curvature that goes with a ball earth; the truth is that no matter how high they go they can't find the curvature unless a Go-Pro lens is used.

Many people have the pride of higher learning. They have their bachelor in physics and their masters and tell us not to talk about the flat earth.  They say that science proved the Earth is a sphere a long time ago.  We live in a heliocentric solar system.  Galileo observed four moons orbiting Saturn with his telescope in 1610.
They go on to say: "I don't need to look at flat earth proofs.  I know the earth is not flat.  All the scientists in the world know the earth is not flat.  If you had half a brain you would know the earth is not flat."
The truth is, it is very difficult to shake free from 16+ years of programming where they spent 12 years in school, 4 years in college, 2 years for masters and 8 years average for PhD.
After 16+ years of programming comes Pride, Accomplishment and Absolute Knowledge.  The danger of Pride and Absolute Knowledge is when they come across evidence that challenges their Absolute Knowledge, their Pride won't allow it.
George
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Warren I've never heard it put so perfectly and so eloquently. Thank you.

Of course it is.

And strangely they don't crash into the ice wall :)

John Berry

On Wed, Jan 10, 2018 at 1:34 PM, Warren Keillor
[email protected] [EVGRAY] <[email protected]> wrote:

>
>
> John
> Sean the helicopter pilot, who volunteered to save my life, when I was in
> that horse accident, up that mountain in New Zealand, was just at the
> arrivals at the airport coming home for Christmas, from six weeks of flying
> in Antarctica. People fly there all the time. It is pretty commonplace, and
> well known.
> Cheers Warren
>
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
> <https://overview.mail.yahoo.com/mobile/?.src=Android>
>
> On Tue, Jan 9, 2018 at 5:03 PM, John Berry [email protected] [EVGRAY]
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
> Thanks Darrel, here is another circumnavigation of the world pole to
> pole....
>
> http://transglobe-expedition.org/expedition/
>
> PanAm Also had a flight over the south pole.
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Icu_44iVDA8
>
> http://www.airliners.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=771437
>
> https://www.facebook.com/Flight50/
>
> So yes, flights, and other expeditions...
>
> But I know you will never let reality get in the way of your fantasy
> George.
>
> Remember the fantasy when you weren't going to talk about Flat Earth on
> this list anymore?
>
> John Berry
>
> On Wed, Jan 10, 2018 at 6:18 AM, Darrell Evans [email protected]
> [EVGRAY] <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
> Here you go George my friend!
>
> Around the world, over the poles
> <https://www.aopa.org/news-and-media/all-news/2015/january/22/around-the-world-over-the-poles>
>
> Around the world, over the poles
>
> During a 24-day pole-to-pole adventure filled with dynamic weather
> conditions and unanticipated routing changes ...
>
> <https://www.aopa.org/news-and-media/all-news/2015/january/22/around-the-world-over-the-poles>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, January 9, 2018, 8:23:08 AM PST, Warren Keillor
> [email protected] [EVGRAY] <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
>
> George
> The bible is a document, that has evolved from a middle Eastern desert
> people who developed a writen language, and spread through Romans into
> Europe. For centuries it was a complete library, to many, of human
> knowledge. It was a source of entertainment, law, psychology, medical
> advice, philosophy, and ethical direction.
> It in turn was writen, and rewriten, by a whole series of people over the
> centuries. Depending on the author, wars were fought, thousands died and
> were tortured, over various versions of text. Vigilantes, sought to
> exterminate anybody with the wrong publication.
> Literary critics took a harsh view of any writing they didn't like.
> Special attention was given to people who "heard voices" ,( as many
> creative types can be prone to.) These people were sure they were being
> told things by that voice in their heads.
> Rather than those funny little elves in orange hats, who carry very little
> status, why not ascribe those voices to God, who trumps all, and can't be
> readily cross examined, except by someone equally "gifted".
> The formation of family units where the father is the complete autocrat
> with dictatorial powers over his entire brood, spouse, and perhaps
> followers, even though, he may be exhibiting clear markers for mental
> illness, seems to be supported in numerous stories.
> In one story, the kid's bonkers old man is going to cut his son's throat,
> hearing a voice in his head telling him to do this.
> If your neighbour into doing this, a call to emergency services, child
> protection authorities, and mental health professionals, is in order,
> although response by police in body armour, tasers, and Glocks, might be
> more disturbing to the neighbourhood, leaving an even larger blood pool,
> then a mere severed neck artery of a little kid.
> Mind you those teenagers can be pretty pesky, and many parents might be
> sympathized with, resorting to the knife.
> Perhaps in some states, a lenient court might consider him legally insane,
> as opposed to murder #1, but that bible guy is going to have to buy some
> pretty expensive legal expertise, and will certainly do time in a secure
> mental institution.
> God to the rescue! Maybe a damn big lightening bolt blowing off the
> courthouse door, might do it.
> Charles Manson, and the Reverend Jim Jones, both made themselves
> (in)famous as cult leaders, and autocrats.
> The divine right of kings, that blessing by God, to lord over other
> people, because you, yes, you, have been specially chosen.
> In one Dunieden mental hospital in NZ, I heard from a nurse who worked
> there, thatthere were no less than 9 Jesus Christs. One can only speculate
> how the dialog between them might go.
> Don't throw your bible away, who knows, it might be great source material?
> Cheers Warren
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
> <https://overview.mail.yahoo.com/mobile/?.src=Android>
>
> On Tue, Jan 9, 2018 at 7:38 AM, george gray [email protected]
> [EVGRAY]
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
> You called it a religion, must we throw out the bible as it confirms a
> flat earth.  Is that what you think we must do to believe in a ball earth,
> throw out the bible?
> <http://testingtheglobe.com/bible.html>
>
> <http://testingtheglobe.com/bible.html>
> The Bible and the Still Flat Earth <http://testingtheglobe.com/bible.html>
>
>
> The Bible and the Still Flat Earth
> <http://testingtheglobe.com/bible.html>
>
> 60 Bible Verses Describing A Flat Earth Inside A Dome - Reflection of mind
> <http://reflectionofmind.org/60-bible-verses-describing-flat-earth-inside-dome/>
>
>
> 60 Bible Verses Describing A Flat Earth Inside A Dome - Reflection of mind
> In this article you can find a number of verses from the Bible without any
> commentary, taken as they were, most ...
>
> <http://reflectionofmind.org/60-bible-verses-describing-flat-earth-inside-dome/>
>
> The Biblical Flat Earth: The Teaching From Scripture
> <http://www.philipstallings.com/2015/06/the-biblical-flat-earth-teaching-from.html>
>
>
> The Biblical Flat Earth: The Teaching From Scripture
> As a Christian, the flat earth begins and ends with Scripture. While the
> evidence continues to mount, and has, f...
>
> <http://www.philipstallings.com/2015/06/the-biblical-flat-earth-teaching-from.html>
>
> There are 2 attachments about this as well.
> George
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* "John Berry [email protected] <[email protected]>
> [EVGRAY]" <[email protected]>
> *To:* EVGRAY YahooGroups <[email protected]>
> *Sent:* Monday, 8 January 2018, 23:35
> *Subject:* Re: [EVGRAY] To the "Flat Earthers"!!
>
>
> It has been.
>
> And the south pole has been gone to many times.
>
> And you cannot present to me one iota of evidence for a flat earth.  You
> will now, not something that can't be easily shown to be false.
>
> Flat earth is a religion, it relies on faith and makes obnoxious attempts
> to convert people..
>
> Also, scams do that too.
>
> John Berry
>
> On Tue, Jan 9, 2018 at 12:52 AM, george gray [email protected]
> [EVGRAY] <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
> Lutz,
>
> The earth has been circumnavigated east to west millions of times but not
> once has it been done north to south. Ask yourself WHY? Because it is
> impossible on the flat earth.
> George
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* "Lutz Liebers [email protected] [EVGRAY]" <[email protected]
> >
> *To:* [email protected]
> *Sent:* Monday, 8 January 2018, 7:18
> *Subject:* Re: [EVGRAY] To the "Flat Earthers"!!
>
>
> Why do those flat earthers never show the underside of their flat earth?
> This would prove how flat it is, really.
>
> But here comes the ultimate proof that the earth is flat - the pope cannot
> fail (by definition):
> https://ixquick-proxy.com/do/ spg/show_picture.pl?l=deutsch&
> rais=1&oiu=https%3A%2F% 2Fchemtrailsplanet.files.
> wordpress.com%2F2015%2F07% 2Fvatican-100-lire-coin-1985-
> pope-john-paul.jpg&sp= 3583a2329cda3cb7736c20f6c112bc 5d
> <https://ixquick-proxy.com/do/spg/show_picture.pl?l=deutsch&rais=1&oiu=https%3A%2F%2Fchemtrailsplanet..files.wordpress..com%2F2015%2F07%2Fvatican-100-lire-coin-1985-pope-john-paul..jpg&sp=3583a2329cda3cb7736c20f6c112bc5d>
>
>
>
> Don't be mislead by the small airplane on top of the flat "urbi et orbi".
> It just shows, who else is engaged in the NWO...
> At least to me.
>
> That's not a fake coin, instead you can buy it:
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/ VATICAN-100-Lire-1985-
> BRILLIANT-UNCIRCULATED-MINT- SET/322902720088?hash= item4b2e807e58:g:
> 0K4AAOSwZqZaGMO9
> <https://www.ebay.com/itm/VATICAN-100-Lire-1985-BRILLIANT-UNCIRCULATED-MINT-SET/322902720088?hash=item4b2e807e58:g:0K4AAOSwZqZaGMO9>
> https://www.ebay.de/itm/ VATICANO-Papa-Giovanni-Paolo-
> II-100-Lire-1985-FDC/ 253345661959?hash= item3afc940407:g: uR8AAOSw9GhYcSuz
> <https://www.ebay.de/itm/VATICANO-Papa-Giovanni-Paolo-II-100-Lire-1985-FDC/253345661959?hash=item3afc940407:g:uR8AAOSw9GhYcSuz>
> https://www.ebay.de/itm/City- of-Vatican-100-lire-1985-Paul-
> II-from-unc-set/162839155214? epid=102039264&hash= item25e9f8520e:g:
> hSwAAOSwXOhaUVG3
> <https://www.ebay.de/itm/City-of-Vatican-100-lire-1985-Paul-II-from-unc-set/162839155214?epid=102039264&hash=item25e9f8520e:g:hSwAAOSwXOhaUVG3>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> 
>

No, if there is one thing I know, George will never every learn.

No flat earther is able to.



John Berry

On Wed, Jan 10, 2018 at 2:48 PM, [email protected] [EVGRAY] <
[email protected]> wrote:

>
>
> Apparently the list goes on and on John. I hope this  finally puts an end
> to this "Flat Earth" topic once and for all! Thanks for the backup material
> my friend....  ;o)
>
>
> Just in case yahoo decides to edit this!
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George my friend, 
 Planes have avoided the North Pole for various reasons, including the lack of safe landing areas, magnetic variances that can confuse devices such as compasses, and the worry that jet fuel could reach freezing temperatures.
 

 Until recently, passenger jets have been prohibited from flying over the North Pole due to restrictions limiting them from flying anywhere that is more than three hours away from a safe landing point. However, new improvements have allowed planes to fly in areas that are up to five hours away from a safe landing, allowing for a polar route that could shorten the time for airplanes to reach some destinations.
 

 http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2078301/Mind-sleigh-Airlines-given-permission-fly-North-Pole-time-slashing-hours-exotic-destinations.html http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2078301/Mind-sleigh-Airlines-given-permission-fly-North-Pole-time-slashing-hours-exotic-destinations.html
 

 There is no legal no-fly zone for the North Pole, in fact, the FAA has specific guidelines detailing what safety precautions one should take when flying over the poles.
 

 http://www.boeing.com/commercial/aeromagazine/aero_16/polar_story.html http://www.boeing.com/commercial/aeromagazine/aero_16/polar_story.html
 

 So No, there is not a no-fly zone George my friend...

Addendum: As for the South Poles? 

Flights from New Zealand to South Africa could fly over Antarctica but no airline currently flies that route. This has nothing to do with fear of navigation errors, (magnetic compasses are notoriously unreliable near the poles). Modern positioning systems rely on satellite assisted navigation. It is simply an economic decision.

  Commercial flights require ETOPS (Extended Range Operations) certification when flying south of latitude 72 degrees. The required certification also mandates that the aircraft carry special survival equipment. ( Its better than using sexinatent) lol Depending on the plane, this necessitates the removal of seats in order to carry the necessary emergency gear and insure it is accessible to the passengers. Those lost seats represent potential lost revenue from paying customers,
 

 The frequent over flights of the North Pole are only possible because suitable diversion airports are available in the event of weather emergencies, destination issues or trouble with the aircraft. A fly over of the South Pole is possible for research and recreation, since military use of the continent is forbidden by joint agreement. Commercial airlines see no profit in a flight over the worlds 5th largest continent...

Ole,
Thanks for your good advice.
George


      From: "[email protected] [EVGRAY]" <[email protected]>
 To: [email protected] 
 Sent: Wednesday, 10 January 2018, 23:34
 Subject: Re: [EVGRAY] To the "Flat Earthers"!!
   
    Hi George,

"No experiment has ever been performedwith such excruciating persistence and meticulous precision, and inevery conceivable manner, than that of trying to detect and measurethe motion of the Earth."
The speed of the earth is seen relative to other other bodies in space. Watching the sun sweeping across the sky is one way to determine how fast it is spinning. Measuring the spin relative to nothing is hard or impossible. Measuring the earth's speed around the galaxy is very hard to do. Change in speed (acceleration and deceleration) is easy to do. Steady speed (no acceleration or deceleration) can't be done without something (fixed) to compare it to. If the part of our galaxy which we belong to moves at the same speed as we do we have no relative speed compared to that part and thus can't detect any movement relative to that part. Only by watching something moving relative to us we see some speed. We still won't know if we're fixed and the other parts are moving or if both we and the other parts are moving or if the other parts are fixed and we are moving. All we see is the relative speed between us as observers and the objects we are observing.

If we're floating in an aether (no reason to believe that we're not doing so) we will be carried with it like a boat carried with a flow of water. Thus a boat in a vortex or in the Atlantic golf stream won't be able to detect any speed between the vortex and itself as they both have the same speed (fixed to each other). Measuring to some distant reference point is what is needed. This is the problem in detecting the speed of the aether as we're fixed to it or floating in it. Measuring the density or pressure of the aether would be easier like measuring the vacuum permittivity and vacuum permeability. That would be more like measuring the atmospheric pressure while there is no speed of the wind detected. At no wind speed the wind moves exactly at the same speed as the ground and thus is fixed relative to the ground. While haven't been on the equator I guess that the wind there can move exactly at the same speed (and direction) as the ground and thus will be detected as not blowing or fixed relative to the ground. Same applies to the aether.

"Since the earth is and has been conclusively proven to bemotionless,..."
Definitely no proof for that! Everything seems to be moving relative to each other. So there is no proof that we are a fixed center where everything else moves by. According to the theory of Wilbert B. Smith for existence there has to be movement. Stopping every movement disintegrates the particles into not existing anymore.

"They go on to say: "I don't need to look at flat earth proofs."
The problem is can anyone come up with such a proof that can't be disproved. If looking at the proofs of a globe earth they don't seem to be able to disprove (give it a try). For disproving a proof something better has to replace it. Coming up with something worse like the things claimed as proofs for the flat earth theory on YouTube shouldn't even be called proofs. This is definitely not the scientific method. First find the flaws in existing proofs and then come up with something better having an even better (more precise) explanation of the observations. Always refine and seek the truth. Keep evolving and let the religious people evolve too or let them stay in the dark ages but let them a least have a choice.

Perhaps after all it can be used to prove that what is written even in some of the oldest books doesn't have to be true no matter if it is the most sold book ever made. The scientific method isn't about popularity but about getting closer to the truth. Try using that method. You can enlighten yourself that way.

Regards
Ole




---In [email protected], <canowindracd@...> wrote :

Warren,
I thought that people might see that the bible supports a flat earth, but I guess ball earthers won't pay much attention to the bible.
If the earth is a sphere and is spinning around the sun, then we should really get rid of the bible.
No experiment has ever been performedwith such excruciating persistence and meticulous precision, and inevery conceivable manner, than that of trying to detect and measurethe motion of the Earth.
Yet they have all consistently andcontinually yielded a velocity for the Earth of exactly ZERO mph. Thetoil of thousands of exasperated researchers, in the extremely variedexperiments of Arago, De Coudre's induction, Fizeau, Fresnell drag,Hoek, Jaseja's lasers, Jenkins, Klinkerfuess, Michelson-Morleyinterferometry, Lord Rayleigh's polarimetry, Troughton-Noble torque,and the famous 'Airy's Failure' experiment, all conclusively failedto show any rotational or translational movement for the earth,whatsoever.
Some of these did of coursedemonstrate the existence of the ether and ether drag. In otherwords, every experiment formulated, devised, constructed, conductedand repeated by every empirical scientist in human history that hasattempted to objectively confirm the empirical premises underlyingthe Copernican Heliocentric model, to wit: that the earth is rotatingon its own axis at approximately 1037+ plus miles and hour (at theequator) and that the earth is orbiting the sun at the alleged speedof approximately 67,000 mph has come up with an absolutely nullresult…it has been repeatedly, conclusively, empirically andirrefutably scientifically demonstrated tens of thousands of timesthat the earth simply does not move.
No legitimate scientificexperiment ever conducted has indicated otherwise. At this point thishas become firmly fixed, confirmed, indubitable and unquestionablyestablished (but utterly suppressed) peer reviewed science, despiteall of the absurd, groundless, irrational, pseudo-scientific, strictlyexternal reality free grossly theoretical attempts (with no externalreferences) to make this empirical truth, fact and reality “goaway”.
Since the earth is and has been conclusively proven to bemotionless, the Copernican Heliocentric model has been absolutely,conclusively and decisively refuted. People can ignore the unrefuted and irrefutable scientific evidence and dogmatically andclose-mindedly cling to the now utterly refuted and disprovenpseudo-scientific myth and religion of Copernican Heliocentristicscientism and evolutionism, walking in step with millions ofother intelligent but uninformed and deluded people if they wish, butknow that they do so despite all the relevant continually confirmed,repeated and repeatable scientific evidence and at the risk of theloss of any scientific and intellectual honesty, integrity andcredibility they may have once possessed.
We have obediently accepted Astronomy through education indoctrination.  People's love of Space is programmed by books, TV shows and movies.  The concept of no Space is incomprehensible to them.
Then there is the fact that nobody can find the curvature that goes with a ball earth; the truth is that no matter how high they go they can't find the curvature unless a Go-Pro lens is used.

Many people have the pride of higher learning. They have their bachelor in physics and their masters and tell us not to talk about the flat earth.  They say that science proved the Earth is a sphere a long time ago.  We live in a heliocentric solar system.  Galileo observed four moons orbiting Saturn with his telescope in 1610.
They go on to say: "I don't need to look at flat earth proofs.  I know the earth is not flat.  All the scientists in the world know the earth is not flat.  If you had half a brain you would know the earth is not flat."
The truth is, it is very difficult to shake free from 16+ years of programming where they spent 12 years in school, 4 years in college, 2 years for masters and 8 years average for PhD.
After 16+ years of programming comes Pride, Accomplishment and Absolute Knowledge.  The danger of Pride and Absolute Knowledge is when they come across evidence that challenges their Absolute Knowledge, their Pride won't allow it.
George
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