Some bible answers that may CLEAR some minds here ///

https://answersingenesis.org/astronomy/the-universe-confirms-the-bible/ https://answersingenesis.org/astronomy/the-universe-confirms-the-bible/


Enjoy the reading ..

(H)

Great post Hector... kudos my loving friend! You are indeed blessed!
 

    On Tuesday, December 26, 2017, 6:15:36 PM PST, [email protected] [EVGRAY] <[email protected]> wrote:  
 
     
https://answersingenesis.org/astronomy/the-universe-confirms-the-bible/


Enjoy the reading ..

(H) 




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Hi George,

Quite the response, some good research.  Have not heard of the book of 
Jasher for a long time.

Someone said never talk politics or religion if one desires to keep ones 
friends.

Can't say I abide by that as coming from the sensationalist rock music 
world always enjoy posting a bit of the politically incorrect just for 
fun and to always make a mockery of things provoked as sacred by the 
borg collective.

Since finding out at the highest levels of science and government and 
justice most everything on the planet is just social engineered 
petrodollar nazipharma tripe I try to give everyone the benefit of the 
doubt.

So I shall inquire once more, after many people decide to agree the 
earth is flat then what?

Is this just to upset the apple cart or is there a long term plan or 
goal or agenda?





On 12/29/2017 6:13 PM, george gray [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
> Hector,
>
> Thanks for your link to a religious point of view of the earth.
>
> Let the Bible tell you the real story, read the texts a few times if 
> necessary until you understand the
> meaning. Forget your previous knowledge, and think on these scriptures 
> and ask yourself:/*What is the Bible really showing me concerning the 
> nature of the heavens, the earth, the sun, moon and stars?*//**//*What 
> is the Bible telling me?*/
>
> "It is he who sits above the *circle *of the earth, and its 
> inhabitants are like grasshoppers; who *stretches out the heavens like 
> a curtain, and spreads them like a tent to dwell in" *Is. 40:22
>
> We all know that a circle is not a ball. In fact, *the Hebrew word 
> used in this verse is "khoog" (pronounced chug). The word literally 
> means, circle, circuit, and compass.*
>
> In all of these words, none of them bring up a picture of a ball. 
> Furthermore if the earth were a ball, and God wished to communicate 
> that here, then it would have required using *the Hebrew word "dure" 
> (pronounced dur). The Hebrew definition for dure is, a circle, pile, 
> or ball.*
>
> If the shape of the earth was intended to be conveyed as a "ball" then 
> *the Hebrew word "dure" would have been the word used as found in 
> Isaiah 22:18, *"He will surely violently turn and toss thee like a 
> BALL into a large country: there shalt thou die, and there the 
> chariots of thy glory shall be the shame of thy lord's house."
>
> *It wasn't used there, instead the Hebrew word "khoog." was used. The 
> flat earth depictions are exactly that, of a circle not a ball.*
>
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>
>
> Another interesting example from Scripture is found in Joshua 10 where 
> God caused *the "sun to stand still."*
>
> "And *the sun stood still, and the moon stopped, *until the nation 
> took vengeance on their enemies.
> Is this not written in the Book of Jashar? *The sun stopped in the 
> midst of heaven and did not hurry to set for about a whole day." **- 
> *Joshua 10:13
>
> If the sun is the centre of the universe and the earth is orbiting 
> around it, then for this event to occur, it would have to have been 
> the earth standing still, not the sun. However, if the earth is flat 
> and the sun and moon rotate inside the firmament or dome above us, it 
> would make perfect sense for the sun to stand still in order to 
> prolong the day here, and_notice that the moon also stopped._
>
> *Both the sun and the moon are inside our dome or firmament in the 
> midst of heaven, over the flat earth.*
>
> Regarding The Firmament of the heaven or the dome above us: And God 
> said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it 
> divide the waters from the waters. - Genesis 1:6
>
> And God said, *Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven *to 
> divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for 
> seasons, and for days, and years. - Genesis 1:14.
>
> Isaiah 13:9 says: Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, cruel both with 
> wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate: and he shall destroy 
> the sinners thereof out of it. Isaiah 13:10 says: For the stars of 
> heaven and the constellations thereof shall not give their light: the 
> sun shall be darkened in his going forth, and the_moon shall not cause 
> her light to shine._
> _
> _
> *So it is clear that the sun gives his light and the moon gives her 
> light and the stars give their light and the light from the moon is 
> not reflected from the sun.*
>
> Which alone *spreadeth out the heavens*, and treadeth upon the waves 
> of the sea. - Job 9:8
>
> Hast thou with him spread out *the sky, which is strong, and as a 
> molten looking glass*? - Job 37:18
>
> The heavens declare the glory of God; and *the firmament sheweth his 
> handywork*. - Psalms 19:1
>
> Of old hast thou laid the foundation of the earth: and the heavens are 
> the work of thy hands. - Psalms 102:25
>
> Who coverest thyself with light as with a garment: who stretchest out 
> the heavens like a curtain. - Psalms 104:2
>
> Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the 
> womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the 
> heavens alone; that *spreadeth* abroad the earth by myself. - Isaiah 44:24
>
> I have made the earth, and created man upon it: I, even my hands, have 
> stretched out the heavens, and all their host have I commanded. - 
> Isaiah 45:12
>
> Mine hand also hath laid *the foundation of the earth*, and my right 
> hand hath spanned the heavens: when I call unto them, they stand up 
> together. - Isaiah 48:13
>
> He hath made the earth by his power, he hath established the world by 
> his wisdom, and hath stretched out the heavens by his discretion. - 
> Jeremiah 10:12
>
> The burden of the word of the LORD for Israel, saith the LORD, which 
> stretcheth forth the heavens, and layeth *the foundation of the 
> earth*, and formeth the spirit of man within him. - Zechariah 12:1
> *
> *
> **
> *Now here are some scriptures regarding The Waters And The Heaven of 
> Heavens Above:*
> And God said, Let there be *a firmament* in the midst of the waters, 
> and let it divide the waters from the waters. - Genesis 1:6
>
> Behold, the heaven and the heaven of heavens is the LORD's thy God, 
> the earth also, with all that therein is. - Deuteronomy 10:14
>
> Praise him, ye heavens of heavens, and *ye waters that be above the 
> heavens*. - Psalms 148:4
>
> For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God *the 
> heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in 
> the water*. - 2 Peter 3:5
>
> *Scriptures Regarding The Earth Being Immovable:*
> And *the sun stood still, and the moon stayed*, until the people had 
> avenged themselves upon their enemies. Is not this written in the book 
> of Jasher? So *the sun stood still in the midst of heaven, *and hasted 
> not to go down about a whole day. - Joshua 10:13
>
> Fear before him, all the earth: *the world also shall be stable, that 
> it be not moved. *- 1 Chronicles 16:30
>
> The LORD reigneth, he is clothed with majesty; the LORD is clothed 
> with strength, wherewith he hath girded himself: _*the world also is 
> established, that it cannot be moved.*_**- Psalms 93:1
>
> Say among the heathen that the LORD reigneth: _*the world also shall 
> be established that it shall not be moved*_: he shall judge the people 
> righteously. - Psalms 96:10
>
> Who laid _*the foundations of the earth*__, __*that it should not be 
> removed for ever*__. _- Psalms 104:5
>
> Behold, I will bring again the shadow of the degrees, which is gone 
> down in the sun dial of Ahaz, ten degrees backward. So *the sun 
> returned ten degrees*, by which degrees it was gone down. - Isaiah 38:8
>
> *Scriptures Regarding The Flat Earth:*
> And upon Elam will I bring the four winds from the four quarters of 
> heaven, and will scatter them toward all those winds; and there shall 
> be no nation whither the outcasts of Elam shall not come. - Jeremiah 49:36
>
> Also, thou son of man, thus saith the Lord GOD unto the land of 
> Israel; An end, the end is come upon the four corners of the land. - 
> Ezekiel 7:2
>
> *The tree grew, and was strong, and the height thereof reached unto 
> heaven, and the sight thereof to the end of all the earth. *- Daniel 4:11
>
> It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the 
> inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the 
> heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in. - 
> Isaiah 40:22
>
> Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and 
> sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them. - 
> Matthew 4:8
>
> And saw heaven opened, and a certain vessel descending upon him, as it 
> had been a great sheet knit at *the four corners*, and let down to the 
> earth. - Acts 10:11
>
> I was in the city of Joppa praying: and in a trance I saw a vision, A 
> certain vessel descend, as it had been a great sheet, let down from 
> heaven by four corners; and it came even to me. - Acts 11:5
>
> And after these things I saw four angels standing on *the four corners 
> of the earth*, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind 
> should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree. - 
> Revelation 7:1
>
> And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in *the four 
> quarters of the earth*, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to 
> battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea. - Revelation 20:8
>
> *There are no scriptures that teach that the earth is a round spinning 
> ball orbiting the sun?*
>
> Also, the verses which speak about the "four corners" of the earth 
> only makes sense in respect to the flat earth. If the earth were a 
> ball there wouldn't be one corner, let alone four.
>
> *Notice that the sun and moon are inside the Dome or Firmament of the 
> Earth and also the stars are attached to the dome or firmament.*
>
> In Genesis 1:6: “And God said, ‘Let there be an expanse in the midst 
> of the waters, and let it separate the waters from the waters’” (ESV). 
> *The Hebrew word for “expanse” is “raqiya.” It literally means a 
> firmament or a visible arch in the sky. *The NIV translates the word 
> there as *“vault.” *Jamieson-Fausset-Brown Bible Commentary adds 
> *“firmament—an expanse—a beating out as a plate of metal.”*
>
> There are more references for this. In Job 37:18 it reads, “Can you, 
> like him, *spread out the skies, hard as a cast metal mirror?” *The 
> Hebrew word for “spread out” is from the Hebrew word “raqa,” which is 
> the Hebrew root for “raqiya” that was used in Genesis. It literally 
> means to “pound the earth, by analogy to expand (by hammering), by 
> implication it means to overlay (with thin sheets of metal). 
> Jamieson-Fausset-Brown Bible Commentary *says it means a “molten 
> looking glass—image of the bright smiling sky. *Mirrors were then 
> formed of molten polished metal, not glass.”
>
> In Amos 9:6: “It is he that buildeth his stories in the heaven, and 
> hath founded his troop in the earth; he that calleth for the waters of 
> the sea, and poureth them out upon the face of the earth: The LORD is 
> his name” (KJV), however. The ESV renders the verse this way: “who 
> builds his upper chambers in the heavens and founds his *vault upon 
> the earth*; who calls for the waters of the sea and pours them out 
> upon the surface of the earth— the LORD is his name.”
>
> The Hebrew word translated as *"vault" is ‘aguddah’ *whose verb form 
> means to "bind, fit, or construct." Commenting on this verse, Richard 
> S. Cripps states that *"here it seems that the 'heavens' are 'bound' 
> or fitted into a solid vault, the ends of which are upon the earth."*
>
> Some evangelicals claim that the Bible contains at least three 
> references to a spherical earth (Is.40:22; Job 22:14; Prov. 8:27). The 
> Hebrew word /*hug */used here cannot be translated as sphere (which is 
> rendered by a different word), but must again be interpreted as *a 
> solid vault overarching the earth. *The Anchor Bible translation of 
> Is. 40:22: *"God sits upon the *_*dome *_*of the earth." *Job 22:14 
> says that God *"walks on *_*the vault*_*(*/*hug*/*) of heaven," *again 
> suggesting something solid. /*Hug* /can also refer to the circular 
> perimeter of the sky-dome: "He drew a circle (/hug/) on the face of 
> the deep...and made *firm the skies above*" (Prov. 8:27-28).
>
> The question arises, how is there a vault if we can see out into the 
> night sky? *God has placed the *_*"heavens" within the dome*_*. *The 
> references used here in the Hebrew referring to metal simply are 
> referring to the “strength” of the dome, not necessarily its 
> composition, which certainly could be transparent to allow for the 
> blue sky which separated the "waters from the waters."
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> *From:* "[email protected] [EVGRAY]" <[email protected]>
> *To:* [email protected]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, 27 December 2017, 13:15
> *Subject:* [EVGRAY] Some bible answers that may CLEAR some minds here ///
>
> https://answersingenesis.org/astronomy/the-universe-confirms-the-bible/
>
>
> Enjoy the reading ..
>
> (H)
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Hector,
Thanksfor your link to a religious point of view of the earth.
Letthe Bible tell you the real story, read the texts a few times ifnecessary until you understand themeaning.Forget your previous knowledge, and think on these scriptures and askyourself: What is theBible really showing me concerning the nature of the heavens, theearth, the sun, moon and stars?Whatis the Bible telling me?
"Itis he who sits above the circleof the earth, and its inhabitants arelike grasshoppers; who stretchesout the heavens like a curtain, and spreads them like a tent to dwellin" Is. 40:22
Weall know that a circle is not a ball. In fact, theHebrew word used in this verse is "khoog" (pronouncedchug). The word literally means, circle, circuit, and compass.
Inall of these words, none of them bring up a picture of a ball.Furthermore if the earth were a ball, and God wished to communicatethat here, then it would have required using theHebrew word "dure" (pronounced dur). The Hebrew definitionfor dure is, a circle, pile, or ball.
Ifthe shape of the earth was intended to be conveyed as a "ball"then the Hebrew word"dure" would have been the word used as found in Isaiah22:18, "He will surely violentlyturn and toss thee like a BALL into a large country: there shalt thoudie, and there the chariots of thy glory shall be the shame of thylord's house."
Itwasn't used there, instead the Hebrew word "khoog." wasused. The flat earth depictions are exactly that, of a circle not aball.



Anotherinteresting example from Scripture is found in Joshua 10 where Godcaused the "sun tostand still."
"Andthe sun stoodstill, and the moon stopped, untilthe nation took vengeance on their enemies.Isthis not written in the Book of Jashar? Thesun stopped in the midst of heaven and did not hurry to set for abouta whole day." - Joshua10:13
Ifthe sun is the centre of the universe and the earth is orbitingaround it, then for this event to occur, it would have to have beenthe earth standing still, not the sun. However, if the earth is flatand the sun and moon rotate inside the firmament or dome above us, itwould make perfect sense for the sun to stand still in order toprolong the day here, and notice that the moon also stopped.
Boththe sun and the moon are inside our dome or firmament in the midst ofheaven, over the flat earth.
RegardingThe Firmament of the heaven or the dome above us: And God said, Letthere be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it dividethe waters from the waters. - Genesis 1:6
AndGod said, Letthere be lights in the firmament of the heaven todivide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and forseasons, and for days, and years. - Genesis 1:14. 

Isaiah13:9 says: Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, cruel both with wrathand fierce anger, to lay the land desolate: and he shall destroy thesinners thereof out of it. Isaiah 13:10 says: Forthe stars of heaven and the constellations thereof shall not givetheir light: the sun shall be darkened in his going forth, and themoon shall not cause her light to shine.
Soit is clear that the sun gives his light and the moon gives her lightand the stars give their light and the light from the moon is notreflected from the sun.
Whichalone spreadeth out the heavens,and treadeth upon the waves of the sea. - Job 9:8
Hastthou with him spread out thesky, which is strong, and as a molten looking glass?- Job 37:18
Theheavens declare the glory of God; and thefirmament sheweth his handywork.- Psalms 19:1
Ofold hast thou laid the foundation of the earth: and the heavens arethe work of thy hands. - Psalms 102:25
Whocoverest thyself with light as with a garment: who stretchest out theheavens like a curtain. - Psalms 104:2
Thussaith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb,I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth theheavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself. -Isaiah 44:24
Ihave made the earth, and created man upon it: I, even my hands, havestretched out the heavens, and all their host have I commanded. -Isaiah 45:12
Minehand also hath laid the foundation of theearth, and my right hand hath spanned the heavens: when Icall unto them, they stand up together. - Isaiah 48:13
Hehath made the earth by his power, he hath established the world byhis wisdom, and hath stretched out the heavens by his discretion. -Jeremiah 10:12
Theburden of the word of the LORD for Israel, saith the LORD, whichstretcheth forth the heavens,and layeth the foundation of the earth,and formeth the spirit of man within him. - Zechariah 12:1
Nowhere are some scriptures regarding The Waters And The Heaven ofHeavens Above:AndGod said, Let there be a firmamentin the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from thewaters. - Genesis 1:6
Behold,the heaven and the heaven of heavens is the LORD's thy God, the earthalso, with all that therein is. - Deuteronomy 10:14
Praisehim, ye heavens of heavens, and ye watersthat be above the heavens. - Psalms 148:4
Forthis they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God theheavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and inthe water. - 2 Peter 3:5
ScripturesRegarding The Earth Being Immovable:Andthe sun stoodstill, and the moon stayed,until the people had avenged themselves upon their enemies. Is notthis written in the book of Jasher? So thesun stood still in the midst of heaven, andhasted not to go down about a whole day. - Joshua 10:13
Fearbefore him, all the earth: theworld also shall be stable, that it be not moved. -1 Chronicles 16:30
TheLORD reigneth, he is clothed with majesty; the LORD is clothed withstrength, wherewith he hath girded himself: theworld also is established, that it cannot be moved.- Psalms 93:1
Sayamong the heathen that the LORD reigneth: theworld also shall be established that it shall not be moved:he shall judge the people righteously. - Psalms 96:10
Wholaid thefoundations of the earth,that itshould not be removed for ever.- Psalms 104:5
Behold,I will bring again the shadow of the degrees, which is gone down inthe sun dial of Ahaz, ten degrees backward. So thesun returned ten degrees, by which degrees it was gonedown. - Isaiah 38:8
ScripturesRegarding The Flat Earth:Andupon Elam will I bring the four winds from the four quarters ofheaven, and will scatter them toward all those winds; and there shallbe no nation whither the outcasts of Elam shall not come. - Jeremiah49:36
Also,thou son of man, thus saith the Lord GOD unto the land of Israel; Anend, the end is come upon the four corners of the land. - Ezekiel 7:2
Thetree grew, and was strong, and the height thereof reached untoheaven, and the sight thereof to the end of all the earth. -Daniel 4:11
Itis he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitantsthereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as acurtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in. - Isaiah 40:22
Again,the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and shewethhim all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them. - Matthew4:8
Andsaw heaven opened, and a certain vessel descending upon him, as ithad been a great sheet knit at the fourcorners, and let down to the earth. - Acts 10:11
Iwas in the city of Joppa praying: and in a trance I saw a vision, Acertain vessel descend, as it had been a great sheet, let down fromheaven by four corners; and it came even to me. - Acts 11:5
Andafter these things I saw four angels standing on thefour corners of the earth,holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow onthe earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree. - Revelation 7:1
Andshall go out to deceive the nations which are in thefour quarters of the earth,Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whomis as the sand of the sea. - Revelation 20:8
Thereare no scriptures that teach that the earth is a round spinning ballorbiting the sun?
Also,the verses which speak about the "four corners" of theearth only makes sense in respect to the flat earth. If the earthwere a ball there wouldn't be one corner, let alone four.
Noticethat the sun and moon are inside the Dome or Firmament of the Earthand also the stars are attached to the dome or firmament.
InGenesis 1:6: “And God said, ‘Let there be an expanse in the midstof the waters, and let it separate the waters from the waters’”(ESV). The Hebrew word for “expanse” is“raqiya.” It literally means a firmament or a visible arch in thesky. The NIV translates the word there as “vault.”Jamieson-Fausset-Brown Bible Commentary adds “firmament—anexpanse—a beating out as a plate of metal.”
Thereare more references for this. In Job 37:18 it reads, “Can you, likehim, spread out theskies, hard as a cast metal mirror?” TheHebrew word for “spread out” is from the Hebrew word “raqa,”which is the Hebrew root for “raqiya” that was used in Genesis.It literally means to “pound the earth, by analogy to expand (byhammering), by implication it means to overlay (with thin sheets ofmetal). Jamieson-Fausset-Brown Bible Commentary saysit means a “molten looking glass—image of the bright smiling sky.Mirrors were then formed of moltenpolished metal, not glass.”
InAmos 9:6: “It is he that buildeth his stories in the heaven, andhath founded his troop in the earth; he that calleth for the watersof the sea, and poureth them out upon the face of the earth: The LORDis his name” (KJV), however. The ESV renders the verse this way:“who builds his upper chambers in the heavens and founds his vaultupon the earth; who calls for the waters of the sea andpours them out upon the surface of the earth— the LORD is hisname.”
TheHebrew word translated as "vault"is ‘aguddah’ whose verb form means to "bind, fit,or construct." Commenting on this verse, Richard S. Crippsstates that "here it seems that the'heavens' are 'bound' or fitted into a solid vault, the ends of whichare upon the earth."
Someevangelicals claim that the Bible contains at least three referencesto a spherical earth (Is.40:22; Job 22:14; Prov. 8:27). The Hebrewword hug used here cannotbe translated as sphere (which is rendered by a different word), butmust again be interpreted as a solid vaultoverarching the earth. The Anchor Bible translation of Is.40:22: "God sits upon the domeof the earth." Job22:14 says that God "walks on thevault (hug)of heaven," again suggesting something solid. Hug can also refer to the circular perimeter of the sky-dome: "Hedrew a circle (hug) on the face of the deep...and made firmthe skies above" (Prov. 8:27-28).
Thequestion arises, how is there a vault if we can see out into thenight sky? God has placed the "heavens"within the dome. Thereferences used here in the Hebrew referring to metal simply arereferring to the “strength” of the dome, not necessarily itscomposition, which certainly could be transparent to allow for theblue sky which separated the "waters from the waters."












      From: "[email protected] [EVGRAY]" <[email protected]>
 To: [email protected] 
 Sent: Wednesday, 27 December 2017, 13:15
 Subject: [EVGRAY] Some bible answers that may CLEAR some minds here ///
   
    https://answersingenesis.org/astronomy/the-universe-confirms-the-bible/


Enjoy the reading ..

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The circle of the earth is a shit English translation it says globe or ball
.in Hebrew. I'm surprised any one understands the Bible even when new info
shows the old was wrong .they still prefer the wrong. And get mad about it
.  get an analytical new testament concordance  and reread and edit .it's
about 10.00 on line for one. You can't just read it and expect the hi mucky
mucks to have gone over it and put it right .they rarely do .its become a
business model for many and when you tell the faithful that there's many
translational errors well that's your monetary base that leaves .so nothing
is done to straiten it out .go along to get a long .the cash must flow !
And the seminary's are the worst .that's why there called cemetery's .even
the authors of the king james version said they looked forward to the day
when there translation was set right .it's wasn't written for accuracy but
for oratory no body could read 400 years ago .and that's how they put it
together by how it sounded not by truth .hay in the beginning was God and
the word was with God and the word WAS God .well if your using other words
other than what are in the Greek.. grammar and all ..are you really
worshiping God ??or something else ? Like a mess? Or social engineering? Or
go along to get along . it's about faith not planets and they really made
sure though damaging the translation you would probably never get it right
. it's not even taught in churches . the protocols of faith . it's criminal
what's happen ! It was written that Wolf's would inter into the church and
tear it to shreds and they did .
On Dec 29, 2017 5:48 PM, "Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY]" <
[email protected]> wrote:

>
>
> Hi George,
>
> Quite the response, some good research.  Have not heard of the book of
> Jasher for a long time.
> Someone said never talk politics or religion if one desires to keep ones
> friends.
>
> Can't say I abide by that as coming from the sensationalist rock music
> world always enjoy posting a bit of the politically incorrect just for fun
> and to always make a mockery of things provoked as sacred by the borg
> collective.
>
> Since finding out at the highest levels of science and government and
> justice most everything on the planet is just social engineered petrodollar
> nazipharma tripe I try to give everyone the benefit of the doubt.
>
> So I shall inquire once more, after many people decide to agree the earth
> is flat then what?
>
> Is this just to upset the apple cart or is there a long term plan or goal
> or agenda?
>
>
>
>
>
> On 12/29/2017 6:13 PM, george gray [email protected] [EVGRAY]
> wrote:
>
>
> Hector,
>
> Thanks for your link to a religious point of view of the earth.
>
> Let the Bible tell you the real story, read the texts a few times if
> necessary until you understand the
> meaning. Forget your previous knowledge, and think on these scriptures and
> ask yourself:* What is the Bible really showing me concerning the nature
> of the heavens, the earth, the sun, moon and stars?* *What is the Bible
> telling me?*
>
> "It is he who sits above the *circle *of the earth, and its inhabitants
> are like grasshoppers; who *stretches out the heavens like a curtain, and
> spreads them like a tent to dwell in" *Is. 40:22
>
> We all know that a circle is not a ball. In fact, *the Hebrew word used
> in this verse is "khoog" (pronounced chug). The word literally means,
> circle, circuit, and compass.*
>
> In all of these words, none of them bring up a picture of a ball.
> Furthermore if the earth were a ball, and God wished to communicate that
> here, then it would have required using *the Hebrew word "dure"
> (pronounced dur). The Hebrew definition for dure is, a circle, pile, or
> ball.*
>
> If the shape of the earth was intended to be conveyed as a "ball" then *the
> Hebrew word "dure" would have been the word used as found in Isaiah 22:18, *"He
> will surely violently turn and toss thee like a BALL into a large country:
> there shalt thou die, and there the chariots of thy glory shall be the
> shame of thy lord's house."
>
> *It wasn't used there, instead the Hebrew word "khoog." was used. The flat
> earth depictions are exactly that, of a circle not a ball.*
>
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>
> Another interesting example from Scripture is found in Joshua 10 where God
> caused *the "sun to stand still."*
>
> "And *the sun stood still, and the moon stopped, *until the nation took
> vengeance on their enemies.
> Is this not written in the Book of Jashar? *The sun stopped in the midst
> of heaven and did not hurry to set for about a whole day." **- *Joshua
> 10:13
>
> If the sun is the centre of the universe and the earth is orbiting around
> it, then for this event to occur, it would have to have been the earth
> standing still, not the sun. However, if the earth is flat and the sun and
> moon rotate inside the firmament or dome above us, it would make perfect
> sense for the sun to stand still in order to prolong the day here, and*
> notice that the moon also stopped.*
>
> *Both the sun and the moon are inside our dome or firmament in the midst
> of heaven, over the flat earth.*
>
> Regarding The Firmament of the heaven or the dome above us: And God said,
> Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the
> waters from the waters. - Genesis 1:6
>
> And God said, *Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven *to
> divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons,
> and for days, and years. - Genesis 1:14.
>
> Isaiah 13:9 says: Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, cruel both with
> wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate: and he shall destroy the
> sinners thereof out of it. Isaiah 13:10 says: For the stars of heaven and
> the constellations thereof shall not give their light: the sun shall be
> darkened in his going forth, and the* moon shall not cause her light to
> shine.*
>
> *So it is clear that the sun gives his light and the moon gives her light
> and the stars give their light and the light from the moon is not reflected
> from the sun.*
>
> Which alone *spreadeth out the heavens*, and treadeth upon the waves of
> the sea. - Job 9:8
>
> Hast thou with him spread out *the sky, which is strong, and as a molten
> looking glass*? - Job 37:18
>
> The heavens declare the glory of God; and *the firmament sheweth his
> handywork*. - Psalms 19:1
>
> Of old hast thou laid the foundation of the earth: and the heavens are the
> work of thy hands. - Psalms 102:25
>
> Who coverest thyself with light as with a garment: who stretchest out the
> heavens like a curtain. - Psalms 104:2
>
> Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb,
> I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens
> alone; that *spreadeth* abroad the earth by myself. - Isaiah 44:24
>
> I have made the earth, and created man upon it: I, even my hands, have
> stretched out the heavens, and all their host have I commanded. - Isaiah
> 45:12
>
> Mine hand also hath laid *the foundation of the earth*, and my right hand
> hath spanned the heavens: when I call unto them, they stand up together. -
> Isaiah 48:13
>
> He hath made the earth by his power, he hath established the world by his
> wisdom, and hath stretched out the heavens by his discretion. - Jeremiah
> 10:12
>
> The burden of the word of the LORD for Israel, saith the LORD, which
> stretcheth forth the heavens, and layeth *the foundation of the earth*,
> and formeth the spirit of man within him. - Zechariah 12:1
>
> *Now here are some scriptures regarding The Waters And The Heaven of
> Heavens Above:*
> And God said, Let there be *a firmament* in the midst of the waters, and
> let it divide the waters from the waters. - Genesis 1:6
>
> Behold, the heaven and the heaven of heavens is the LORD's thy God, the
> earth also, with all that therein is. - Deuteronomy 10:14
>
> Praise him, ye heavens of heavens, and *ye waters that be above the
> heavens*. - Psalms 148:4
>
> For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God *the
> heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the
> water*. - 2 Peter 3:5
>
> *Scriptures Regarding The Earth Being Immovable:*
> And *the sun stood still, and the moon stayed*, until the people had
> avenged themselves upon their enemies. Is not this written in the book of
> Jasher? So *the sun stood still in the midst of heaven, *and hasted not
> to go down about a whole day. - Joshua 10:13
>
> Fear before him, all the earth: *the world also shall be stable, that it
> be not moved. *- 1 Chronicles 16:30
>
> The LORD reigneth, he is clothed with majesty; the LORD is clothed with
> strength, wherewith he hath girded himself: *the world also is
> established, that it cannot be moved.* - Psalms 93:1
>
> Say among the heathen that the LORD reigneth: *the world also shall be
> established that it shall not be moved*: he shall judge the people
> righteously. - Psalms 96:10
>
> Who laid *the foundations of the earth**, **that it should not be removed
> for ever**. *- Psalms 104:5
>
> Behold, I will bring again the shadow of the degrees, which is gone down
> in the sun dial of Ahaz, ten degrees backward. So *the sun returned ten
> degrees*, by which degrees it was gone down. - Isaiah 38:8
>
> *Scriptures Regarding The Flat Earth:*
> And upon Elam will I bring the four winds from the four quarters of
> heaven, and will scatter them toward all those winds; and there shall be no
> nation whither the outcasts of Elam shall not come. - Jeremiah 49:36
>
> Also, thou son of man, thus saith the Lord GOD unto the land of Israel; An
> end, the end is come upon the four corners of the land. - Ezekiel 7:2
>
> *The tree grew, and was strong, and the height thereof reached unto
> heaven, and the sight thereof to the end of all the earth. *- Daniel 4:11
>
> It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants
> thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain,
> and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in. - Isaiah 40:22
>
> Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and
> sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them. - Matthew
> 4:8
>
> And saw heaven opened, and a certain vessel descending upon him, as it had
> been a great sheet knit at *the four corners*, and let down to the earth.
> - Acts 10:11
>
> I was in the city of Joppa praying: and in a trance I saw a vision, A
> certain vessel descend, as it had been a great sheet, let down from heaven
> by four corners; and it came even to me. - Acts 11:5
>
> And after these things I saw four angels standing on *the four corners of
> the earth*, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not
> blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree. - Revelation 7:1
>
> And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in *the four quarters
> of the earth*, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the
> number of whom is as the sand of the sea. - Revelation 20:8
>
> *There are no scriptures that teach that the earth is a round spinning
> ball orbiting the sun?*
>
> Also, the verses which speak about the "four corners" of the earth only
> makes sense in respect to the flat earth. If the earth were a ball there
> wouldn't be one corner, let alone four.
>
> *Notice that the sun and moon are inside the Dome or Firmament of the
> Earth and also the stars are attached to the dome or firmament.*
>
> In Genesis 1:6: “And God said, ‘Let there be an expanse in the midst of
> the waters, and let it separate the waters from the waters’” (ESV). *The
> Hebrew word for “expanse” is “raqiya.” It literally means a firmament or a
> visible arch in the sky. *The NIV translates the word there as *“vault.” *Jamieson-Fausset-Brown
> Bible Commentary adds *“firmament—an expanse—a beating out as a plate of
> metal.”*
>
> There are more references for this. In Job 37:18 it reads, “Can you, like
> him, *spread out the skies, hard as a cast metal mirror?” *The Hebrew
> word for “spread out” is from the Hebrew word “raqa,” which is the Hebrew
> root for “raqiya” that was used in Genesis. It literally means to “pound
> the earth, by analogy to expand (by hammering), by implication it means to
> overlay (with thin sheets of metal). Jamieson-Fausset-Brown Bible
> Commentary *says it means a “molten looking glass—image of the bright
> smiling sky. *Mirrors were then formed of molten polished metal, not
> glass.”
>
> In Amos 9:6: “It is he that buildeth his stories in the heaven, and hath
> founded his troop in the earth; he that calleth for the waters of the sea,
> and poureth them out upon the face of the earth: The LORD is his name”
> (KJV), however. The ESV renders the verse this way: “who builds his upper
> chambers in the heavens and founds his *vault upon the earth*; who calls
> for the waters of the sea and pours them out upon the surface of the earth—
> the LORD is his name.”
>
> The Hebrew word translated as *"vault" is ‘aguddah’ *whose verb form
> means to "bind, fit, or construct." Commenting on this verse, Richard S.
> Cripps states that *"here it seems that the 'heavens' are 'bound' or
> fitted into a solid vault, the ends of which are upon the earth."*
>
> Some evangelicals claim that the Bible contains at least three references
> to a spherical earth (Is.40:22; Job 22:14; Prov. 8:27). The Hebrew word *hug
> *used here cannot be translated as sphere (which is rendered by a
> different word), but must again be interpreted as *a solid vault
> overarching the earth. *The Anchor Bible translation of Is. 40:22: *"God
> sits upon the **dome **of the earth." *Job 22:14 says that God *"walks on
> **the vault** (**hug**) of heaven," *again suggesting something solid. *Hug
> *can also refer to the circular perimeter of the sky-dome: "He drew a
> circle (*hug*) on the face of the deep...and made *firm the skies above*"
> (Prov. 8:27-28).
>
> The question arises, how is there a vault if we can see out into the night
> sky? *God has placed the **"heavens" within the dome**. *The references
> used here in the Hebrew referring to metal simply are referring to the
> “strength” of the dome, not necessarily its composition, which certainly
> could be transparent to allow for the blue sky which separated the "waters
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> *From:* "[email protected] [EVGRAY]"
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> https://answersingenesis.org/astronomy/the-universe-confirms-the-bible/
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Kudos! Well stated James my friend!
 

    On Friday, December 29, 2017, 9:24:46 PM PST, James Glinski [email protected] [EVGRAY] <[email protected]> wrote:  
 
     


The circle of the earth is a shit English translation it says globe or ball .in Hebrew. I'm surprised any one understands the Bible even when new info shows the old was wrong .they still prefer the wrong. And get mad about it .  get an analytical new testament concordance  and reread and edit .it's about 10.00 on line for one. You can't just read it and expect the hi mucky mucks to have gone over it and put it right .they rarely do .its become a business model for many and when you tell the faithful that there's many translational errors well that's your monetary base that leaves .so nothing is done to straiten it out .go along to get a long .the cash must flow ! And the seminary's are the worst .that's why there called cemetery's .even the authors of the king james version said they looked forward to the day when there translation was set right .it's wasn't written for accuracy but for oratory no body could read 400 years ago .and that's how they put it together by how it sounded not by truth .hay in the beginning was God and the word was with God and the word WAS God .well if your using other words other than what are in the Greek.. grammar and all ..are you really worshiping God ??or something else ? Like a mess? Or social engineering? Or go along to get along . it's about faith not planets and they really made sure though damaging the translation you would probably never get it right . it's not even taught in churches . the protocols of faith . it's criminal what's happen ! It was written that Wolf's would inter into the church and tear it to shreds and they did . 
On Dec 29, 2017 5:48 PM, "Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY]" <[email protected]> wrote:

     
 

Hi George,
 
Quite the response, some good research.  Have not heard of the book of Jasher for a long time.
 
 Someone said never talk politics or religion if one desires to keep ones friends.  
 
 Can't say I abide by that as coming from the sensationalist rock music world always enjoy posting a bit of the politically incorrect just for fun and to always make a mockery of things provoked as sacred by the borg collective.
 
 Since finding out at the highest levels of science and government and justice most everything on the planet is just social engineered petrodollar nazipharma tripe I try to give everyone the benefit of the doubt.
 
 So I shall inquire once more, after many people decide to agree the earth is flat then what?
 
 Is this just to upset the apple cart or is there a long term plan or goal or agenda?
 
 
 
 
 
 On 12/29/2017 6:13 PM, george gray [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
  
     Hector, 
  Thanks for your link to a religious point of view of the earth. 
  Let the Bible tell you the real story, read the texts a few times if necessary until you understand the meaning. Forget your previous knowledge, and think on these scriptures and ask yourself: What is the Bible really showing me concerning the nature of the heavens, the  earth, the sun, moon and stars? What is the Bible telling me? 
  "It is he who sits above the circle of the earth, and its inhabitants are like grasshoppers; who stretches out the heavens like a curtain, and spreads them like a tent to dwell in" Is. 40:22 
  We all know that a circle is not a ball. In fact, the Hebrew word used in this verse is "khoog" (pronounced chug). The word literally means, circle, circuit, and compass. 
  In all of these words, none of them bring up a picture of a ball. Furthermore if the earth were a ball, and God  wished to communicate that here, then it would have required using the Hebrew word "dure" (pronounced dur). The Hebrew definition for dure is, a circle, pile, or ball. 
  If the shape of the earth was intended to be conveyed as a "ball" then the Hebrew word "dure" would have been the word used as found in Isaiah  22:18, "He will surely violently turn and toss thee like a BALL into a large country: there shalt thou die, and there the chariots of thy glory shall be the shame of thy lord's house." 
  It wasn't used there, instead the Hebrew word "khoog." was used. The flat earth depictions are exactly that, of a circle not a ball. 
  
 
  
  Another interesting example from Scripture is found in Joshua 10 where God caused the "sun to stand still." 
  "And the sun stood still, and the moon stopped, until the nation took vengeance on their enemies. Is this not written in the Book of Jashar? The sun stopped in the midst of heaven and did not hurry to set for about a whole day." - Joshua 10:13 
  If the sun is the centre of the universe and the earth is orbiting around it, then for this event to occur, it would have to have been the earth standing still, not the sun. However, if the earth is flat and the sun and moon rotate inside the firmament or dome above us, it would make perfect sense for the sun to stand still in order to prolong the day here, and notice that the moon also stopped. 
  Both the sun and the moon are inside our dome or firmament in the midst of heaven, over the flat earth. 
  Regarding The Firmament of the heaven or the dome above us: And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters. - Genesis 1:6 
  And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years. - Genesis 1:14. 
  
  Isaiah 13:9 says: Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, cruel both with wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate: and he shall destroy the sinners thereof out of it. Isaiah 13:10 says: For the stars of heaven and the constellations thereof shall not give their light: the sun shall be darkened in his going forth, and the moon shall not cause her light to shine. 
  So it is clear that the sun gives his light and the moon gives her light and the stars give their light and the light from the moon is not reflected from the sun. 
  Which alone spreadeth out the heavens, and treadeth upon the waves of the sea. - Job 9:8 
  Hast thou with him spread out the sky, which is strong, and as a molten looking glass? - Job 37:18 
  The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork. - Psalms 19:1 
  Of old hast thou laid the foundation of the earth: and the heavens are the work of thy hands. - Psalms 102:25 
  Who coverest thyself with light as with a garment: who stretchest out the heavens like a curtain. - Psalms 104:2 
  Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself. - Isaiah 44:24 
  I have made the earth, and created man upon it: I, even my hands, have stretched out the heavens, and all their host have I commanded. - Isaiah 45:12 
  Mine hand also hath laid the foundation of the earth, and my right hand hath spanned the heavens: when I call unto them, they stand up together. - Isaiah 48:13 
  He hath made the earth by his power, he hath established the world by his wisdom, and hath stretched out the heavens by his discretion. - Jeremiah 10:12 
  The burden of the word of the LORD for Israel, saith the LORD, which stretcheth forth the heavens, and layeth the foundation of the earth, and formeth the spirit of man within him. - Zechariah 12:1 
    Now here are some scriptures regarding The Waters And The Heaven of Heavens Above: And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters. - Genesis 1:6 
  Behold, the heaven and the heaven of heavens is the LORD's thy God, the earth also, with all that therein is. - Deuteronomy 10:14 
  Praise him, ye heavens of heavens, and ye waters that be above the heavens. - Psalms 148:4 
  For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water. - 2 Peter 3:5 
  Scriptures Regarding The Earth Being Immovable: And the sun stood still, and the moon stayed, until the people had avenged themselves upon their enemies. Is not this written in the book of Jasher? So the sun stood still in the midst of heaven, and hasted not to go down about a whole day. - Joshua 10:13 
  Fear before him, all the earth: the world also shall be stable, that it be not moved. - 1 Chronicles 16:30 
  The LORD reigneth, he is clothed with majesty; the LORD is clothed with strength, wherewith he hath girded himself: the world also is established, that it cannot be moved. - Psalms 93:1 
  Say among the heathen that the LORD reigneth: the world also shall be established that it shall not be moved: he shall judge the people righteously. - Psalms 96:10 
  Who laid the foundations of the earth, that it should not be removed for ever. - Psalms 104:5 
  Behold, I will bring again the shadow of the degrees, which is gone down in the sun dial of Ahaz, ten degrees backward. So the sun returned ten degrees, by which degrees it was gone down. - Isaiah 38:8 
  Scriptures Regarding The Flat Earth: And upon Elam will I bring the four winds from the four quarters of heaven, and will scatter them toward all those winds; and there shall be no nation whither the outcasts of Elam shall not come. - Jeremiah 49:36 
  Also, thou son of man, thus saith the Lord GOD unto the land of Israel; An end, the end is come upon the four corners of the land. - Ezekiel 7:2 
  The tree grew, and was strong, and the height thereof reached unto heaven, and the sight thereof to the end of all the earth. - Daniel 4:11 
  It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in. - Isaiah 40:22 
  Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them. - Matthew 4:8 
  And saw heaven opened, and a certain vessel descending upon him, as it had been a great sheet knit at the four corners, and let down to the earth. - Acts 10:11 
  I was in the city of Joppa praying: and in a trance I saw a vision, A certain vessel descend, as it had been a great sheet, let down from heaven by four corners; and it came even to me. - Acts 11:5 
  And after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree. - Revelation 7:1 
  And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea. - Revelation 20:8 
  There are no scriptures that teach that the earth is a round spinning ball orbiting the sun? 
  Also, the verses which speak about the "four corners" of the earth only makes sense in respect to the flat earth. If the earth were a ball there wouldn't be one corner, let alone four. 
  Notice that the sun and moon are inside the Dome or Firmament of the Earth and also the stars are attached to the dome or firmament. 
  In Genesis 1:6: “And God said, ‘Let there be an expanse in the midst of the waters, and let it separate the waters from the waters’” (ESV). The Hebrew word for “expanse” is “raqiya.” It literally means a firmament or a visible arch in the sky. The NIV translates the word there as “vault.” Jamieson-Fausset-Brown Bible Commentary adds “firmament—an expanse—a beating out as a plate of metal..” 
  There are more references for this. In Job 37:18 it reads, “Can you, like him, spread out the skies, hard as a cast metal mirror?” The Hebrew word for “spread out” is from the Hebrew word “raqa,” which is the Hebrew root for “raqiya” that was used in Genesis. It literally means to “pound the earth, by analogy to expand (by hammering), by implication it means to overlay (with thin sheets of metal). Jamieson-Fausset-Brown Bible Commentary says it means a “molten looking glass—image of the bright smiling sky. Mirrors were then formed of molten polished metal, not glass.” 
  In Amos 9:6: “It is he that buildeth his stories in the heaven, and hath founded his troop in the earth; he that calleth for the waters of the sea, and poureth them out upon the face of the earth: The LORD is his name” (KJV), however. The ESV renders the verse this way: “who builds his upper chambers in the heavens and founds his vault upon the earth; who calls for the waters of the sea and pours them out upon the surface of the earth— the LORD is his name.” 
  The Hebrew word translated as "vault" is ‘aguddah’ whose verb form means to "bind, fit, or construct." Commenting on this verse, Richard S. Cripps states that "here it seems that the 'heavens' are 'bound' or fitted into a solid vault, the ends of which are upon the earth." 
  Some evangelicals claim that the Bible contains at least three references to a spherical earth (Is.40:22; Job 22:14; Prov. 8:27). The Hebrew word hug used here cannot be translated as sphere (which is rendered by a different word), but must again be interpreted as a solid vault overarching the earth. The Anchor Bible translation of Is. 40:22: "God sits upon the dome of the earth." Job 22:14 says that God "walks on the vault (hug) of heaven," again suggesting something solid. Hug  can also refer to the circular perimeter of the sky-dome: "He drew a circle (hug) on the face of the deep...and made firm the skies above" (Prov. 8:27-28). 
  The question arises, how is there a vault if we can see out into the night sky? God has placed the "heavens" within the dome. The references used here in the Hebrew referring to metal simply are referring to the “strength” of the dome, not necessarily its composition, which certainly could be transparent to allow for the blue sky which separated the "waters from the waters." 
   
   
    
  
 
   
   
   
   
   
  
  
          From: "[email protected] [EVGRAY]" <[email protected]>
 To: [email protected] 
 Sent: Wednesday, 27 December 2017, 13:15
 Subject: [EVGRAY] Some bible answers that may CLEAR some minds here ///
  
        https://answersingenesis.org/ astronomy/the-universe- confirms-the-bible/
 
 
 Enjoy the reading ..
 
 (H) 
  
      
 
        
 
   
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Mick,
If someone teaches that 2+2 = 5 and I find out that it only = 4, then I want to set the record straight.

Ask yourself, why would generations of scientists lie to everybody? Well those in the know, who are 33rd degree Masons and Jews, are in a conspiracy league against God. They lie about this Bible and gospel related subject.
 The ball earth is a foundation for evolution and the Big Bang theory and this completely gets rid of God, the Creator.
The world is run by Satan the father of the lie, and his satanic elite, and their primary goal is to discredit and hide God, making us believe He doesn't exist and then to completely enslave mankind.

Without the ball earth lie, all of Satan's and his elite's deceptions are exposed and blown out of the water so to speak.

People are being herded along by the NWO to the point of no return, just as it was in Hitler's day, and if we don't wake people up now, it will suddenly be too late.

They plan to kill more than 7 billion people and keep 500 million dumbed-down people as their slaves.

Exposing the flat earth and the non moon landing and 9/11, and many other fake things is a way of waking people up and then we the people will have the power and the elite will be trying to find somewhere to hide.

The French revolution comes to mind.

Happy New Year mate!

George

      From: "Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY]" <[email protected]>
 To: [email protected] 
 Sent: Saturday, 30 December 2017, 10:48
 Subject: Re: [EVGRAY] Some bible answers that may CLEAR some minds here ///
   
     Hi George, Quite the response, some good research.  Have not heard of the book of Jasher for a long time.
  Someone said never talk politics or religion if one desires to keep ones friends.  
 
 Can't say I abide by that as coming from the sensationalist rock music world always enjoy posting a bit of the politically incorrect just for fun and to always make a mockery of things provoked as sacred by the borg collective.
 
 Since finding out at the highest levels of science and government and justice most everything on the planet is just social engineered petrodollar nazipharma tripe I try to give everyone the benefit of the doubt.
 
 So I shall inquire once more, after many people decide to agree the earth is flat then what?
 
 Is this just to upset the apple cart or is there a long term plan or goal or agenda?
 
 
 
 
 
 On 12/29/2017 6:13 PM, george gray [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
  
     Hector, 
  Thanks for your link to a religious point of view of the earth. 
  Let the Bible tell you the real story, read the texts a few times if necessary until you understand the meaning. Forget your previous knowledge, and think on these scriptures and ask yourself: What is the Bible really showing me concerning the nature of the heavens, the  earth, the sun, moon and stars? What is the Bible telling me? 
  "It is he who sits above the circle of the earth, and its inhabitants are like grasshoppers; who stretches out the heavens like a curtain, and spreads them like a tent to dwell in" Is. 40:22 
  We all know that a circle is not a ball. In fact, the Hebrew word used in this verse is "khoog" (pronounced chug). The word literally means, circle, circuit, and compass. 
  In all of these words, none of them bring up a picture of a ball. Furthermore if the earth were a ball, and God  wished to communicate that here, then it would have required using the Hebrew word "dure" (pronounced dur). The Hebrew definition for dure is, a circle, pile, or ball. 
  If the shape of the earth was intended to be conveyed as a "ball" then the Hebrew word "dure" would have been the word used as found in Isaiah  22:18, "He will surely violently turn and toss thee like a BALL into a large country: there shalt thou die, and there the chariots of thy glory shall be the shame of thy lord's house." 
  It wasn't used there, instead the Hebrew word "khoog." was used. The flat earth depictions are exactly that, of a circle not a ball. 
  
 
  
  Another interesting example from Scripture is found in Joshua 10 where God caused the "sun to stand still." 
  "And the sun stood still, and the moon stopped, until the nation took vengeance on their enemies. Is this not written in the Book of Jashar? The sun stopped in the midst of heaven and did not hurry to set for about a whole day." - Joshua 10:13 
  If the sun is the centre of the universe and the earth is orbiting around it, then for this event to occur, it would have to have been the earth standing still, not the sun. However, if the earth is flat and the sun and moon rotate inside the firmament or dome above us, it would make perfect sense for the sun to stand still in order to prolong the day here, and notice that the moon also stopped. 
  Both the sun and the moon are inside our dome or firmament in the midst of heaven, over the flat earth. 
  Regarding The Firmament of the heaven or the dome above us: And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters. - Genesis 1:6 
  And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years. - Genesis 1:14. 
  
  Isaiah 13:9 says: Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, cruel both with wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate: and he shall destroy the sinners thereof out of it. Isaiah 13:10 says: For the stars of heaven and the constellations thereof shall not give their light: the sun shall be darkened in his going forth, and the moon shall not cause her light to shine. 
  So it is clear that the sun gives his light and the moon gives her light and the stars give their light and the light from the moon is not reflected from the sun. 
  Which alone spreadeth out the heavens, and treadeth upon the waves of the sea. - Job 9:8 
  Hast thou with him spread out the sky, which is strong, and as a molten looking glass? - Job 37:18 
  The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork. - Psalms 19:1 
  Of old hast thou laid the foundation of the earth: and the heavens are the work of thy hands. - Psalms 102:25 
  Who coverest thyself with light as with a garment: who stretchest out the heavens like a curtain. - Psalms 104:2 
  Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself. - Isaiah 44:24 
  I have made the earth, and created man upon it: I, even my hands, have stretched out the heavens, and all their host have I commanded. - Isaiah 45:12 
  Mine hand also hath laid the foundation of the earth, and my right hand hath spanned the heavens: when I call unto them, they stand up together. - Isaiah 48:13 
  He hath made the earth by his power, he hath established the world by his wisdom, and hath stretched out the heavens by his discretion. - Jeremiah 10:12 
  The burden of the word of the LORD for Israel, saith the LORD, which stretcheth forth the heavens,  and layeth the foundation of the earth, and formeth the spirit of man within him. - Zechariah 12:1 
    Now here are some scriptures regarding The Waters And The Heaven of Heavens Above: And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters. - Genesis 1:6 
  Behold, the heaven and the heaven of heavens is the LORD's thy God, the earth also, with all that therein is. - Deuteronomy 10:14 
  Praise him, ye heavens of heavens, and ye waters that be above the heavens. - Psalms 148:4 
  For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water. - 2 Peter 3:5 
  Scriptures Regarding The Earth Being Immovable: And the sun stood still, and the moon stayed, until the people had avenged themselves upon their enemies. Is not this written in the book of Jasher? So the sun stood still in the midst of heaven, and hasted not to go down about a whole day. - Joshua 10:13 
  Fear before him, all the earth: the world also shall be stable, that it be not moved. - 1 Chronicles 16:30 
  The LORD reigneth, he is clothed with majesty; the LORD is clothed with strength, wherewith he hath girded himself: the world also is established, that it cannot be moved. - Psalms 93:1 
  Say among the heathen that the LORD reigneth: the world also shall be established that it shall not be moved: he shall judge the people righteously. - Psalms 96:10 
  Who laid the foundations of the earth, that it should not be removed for ever. - Psalms 104:5 
  Behold, I will bring again the shadow of the degrees, which is gone down in the sun dial of Ahaz, ten degrees backward. So the sun returned ten degrees, by which degrees it was gone down. - Isaiah 38:8 
  Scriptures Regarding The Flat Earth: And upon Elam will I bring the four winds from the four quarters of heaven, and will scatter them toward all those winds; and there shall be no nation whither the outcasts of Elam shall not come. - Jeremiah  49:36 
  Also, thou son of man, thus saith the Lord GOD unto the land of Israel; An end, the end is come upon the four corners of the land. - Ezekiel 7:2 
  The tree grew, and was strong, and the height thereof reached unto heaven, and the sight thereof to the end of all the earth. - Daniel 4:11 
  It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in. - Isaiah 40:22 
  Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them. - Matthew 4:8 
  And saw heaven opened, and a certain vessel descending upon him, as it had been a great sheet knit at the four corners, and let down to the earth. - Acts 10:11 
  I was in the city of Joppa praying: and in a trance I saw a vision, A certain vessel descend, as it had been a great sheet, let down from heaven by four corners; and it came even to me. - Acts 11:5 
  And after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree. - Revelation 7:1 
  And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea. - Revelation 20:8 
  There are no scriptures that teach that the earth is a round spinning ball orbiting the sun? 
  Also, the verses which speak about the "four corners" of the earth only makes sense in respect to the flat  earth. If the earth were a ball there wouldn't be one corner, let alone four. 
  Notice that the sun and moon are inside the Dome or Firmament of the Earth and also the stars are attached to the dome or firmament. 
  In Genesis 1:6: “And God said, ‘Let there be an expanse in the midst of the waters, and let it separate the waters from the waters’” (ESV). The Hebrew word for “expanse” is “raqiya.” It literally means a firmament or a visible arch in the  sky. The NIV translates the word there as “vault.” Jamieson-Fausset-Brown Bible Commentary adds “firmament—an expanse—a beating out as a plate of metal.” 
  There are more references for this. In Job 37:18 it reads, “Can you, like him, spread out the skies, hard as a cast metal mirror?” The Hebrew word for “spread out” is from the Hebrew word “raqa,” which is the Hebrew root for “raqiya” that was used in Genesis. It literally means to “pound the earth, by analogy to expand (by  hammering), by implication it means to overlay (with thin sheets of metal). Jamieson-Fausset-Brown Bible Commentary  says it means a “molten looking glass—image of the bright smiling sky. Mirrors were then formed of molten polished metal, not glass.” 
  In Amos 9:6: “It is he that buildeth his stories in the heaven, and hath founded his troop in the earth; he that  calleth for the waters of the sea, and poureth them out upon the face of the earth: The LORD is his name” (KJV), however. The ESV renders the verse this way: “who builds his upper chambers in the heavens and  founds his vault upon the earth; who calls for the waters of the sea and pours them out upon the surface of the earth— the LORD is his  name.” 
  The Hebrew word translated as "vault" is ‘aguddah’ whose verb form means to "bind, fit, or construct." Commenting on this verse, Richard S. Cripps  states that "here it seems that the 'heavens' are 'bound' or fitted into a solid vault, the ends of which  are upon the earth." 
  Some evangelicals claim that the Bible contains at least three references to a spherical earth (Is.40:22; Job 22:14; Prov. 8:27). The Hebrew word hug used here cannot be translated as sphere (which is rendered by a different word), but must again be interpreted as a solid vault overarching the earth. The Anchor Bible translation of Is. 40:22: "God sits upon the dome of the earth." Job 22:14 says that God "walks on the vault (hug) of heaven," again suggesting something solid. Hug  can also refer to the circular perimeter of the sky-dome: "He drew a circle (hug) on the face of the deep...and made firm the skies above" (Prov. 8:27-28). 
  The question arises, how is there a vault if we can see out into the night sky? God has placed the "heavens" within the dome. The references used here in the Hebrew referring to metal simply are referring to the “strength” of the dome, not necessarily its composition, which certainly could be transparent to allow for the blue sky which separated the "waters from the waters." 
   
   
    
  
 
   
   
   
   
   
  
  
          From: "[email protected] [EVGRAY]" <[email protected]>
 To: [email protected] 
 Sent: Wednesday, 27 December 2017, 13:15
 Subject: [EVGRAY] Some bible answers that may CLEAR some minds here ///
  
        https://answersingenesis.org/astronomy/the-universe-confirms-the-bible/
 
 
 Enjoy the reading ..
 
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Ok George,

I understand your point, but we are all already "their" slaves because 
we pay taxes by force which finance evil shit and evil people.  In the 
US over 50% of the population derives income from the government who 
produce nothing so easy to see it's a ponzy scheme as it's unsustainable.

Every evening on the news they espouse the drivel right from Marx which 
states victim hood and entitlement, he and Engels used different words 
such as proletariat and bourgeois. In one part of South America where 
people are proud to have a job and go to work it's becoming the exact 
opposite in the US where they desire to kill off the middle class.  I 
just had to fill out papers for residency and one line inquired Male- 
Female- Undecided so this drivel is spreading worldwide.

After the engineered crash in 2007-8 they did not subtract the destroyed 
debt from the national debt but rebooted the financial system and left 
the slave numbers in place.  This is why in 2006 they stopped printing 
the M3 statistic from the central bank so they could reboot and use the 
old numbers.

If 911 which is an obvious bullshit sled ride will not get past peoples 
brain barrier the flat earth is like convincing someone to push lead 
ingots up Everest.

You want to be this agent of change which is a noble goal as one is 
either part of the solution or problem then I would suggest building an 
RV or something else over unity measurable 3d solid in front of ones 
face so you can prove your point rather than using outside claims, it 
will sink in better.  Same as your dietary cures can be proven on the 
spot when ones body heals itself.

If you think Bastille day will be repeated, they already took your guns 
down there, good luck with that.  One of the reasons they will not let 
the people use the aetheric energies is they can make very dangerous 
weapons.  One guy with a backpack can shut down a whole division of 
modern electronic warfare devices.  So this is a second good use of this 
information to replicate and determine how to make use of so one can 
defend oneself from the big wipe if it comes by way of the military.  
They are hoping it comes naturally so they can hide underground when 
earth gets rebooted.  If not, once the androids come online and can 
replace any human job then the artificial wipe begins.

Ask yourself this question, using cell towers can one broadcast a 
carrier that sterilizes the population, what vector will be used for the 
big wipe.  Doesn't take much to do in a city, just cutoff the banking 
and in a week or two people will form into mad max tribes as most have 
been conditioned by the imaginary money so much they forgot how to 
interact and barter with one another.

One long generation of no reproduction can do it also.

So we either get this free energy off the ground or we are all cannon 
fodder for the petrodollar pharmanazis.  I think the flat earth theories 
waste a lot of time of people attempting to move towards a free energy 
economy so are more on the problem side than solution side.  If you are 
distracting people from this goal it does not matter if you are right or 
not, think about it.


On 12/31/2017 12:50 AM, george gray [email protected] [EVGRAY] 
wrote:
> Mick,
>
> If someone teaches that 2+2 = 5 and I find out that it only = 4, then 
> I want to set the record straight.
>
> Ask yourself, why would generations of scientists lie to everybody? 
> Well those in the know, who are 33rd degree Masons and Jews, are in a 
> conspiracy league against God. They lie about this Bible and gospel 
> related subject.
>
> The ball earth is a foundation for evolution and the Big Bang theory 
> and this completely gets rid of God, the Creator.
>
> The world is run by Satan the father of the lie, and his satanic 
> elite, and their primary goal is to discredit and hide God, making us 
> believe He doesn't exist and then to completely enslave mankind.
>
> Without the ball earth lie, all of Satan's and his elite's deceptions 
> are exposed and blown out of the water so to speak.
>
> People are being herded along by the NWO to the point of no return, 
> just as it was in Hitler's day, and if we don't wake people up now, it 
> will suddenly be too late.
>
> They plan to kill more than 7 billion people and keep 500 million 
> dumbed-down people as their slaves.
>
> Exposing the flat earth and the non moon landing and 9/11, and many 
> other fake things is a way of waking people up and then we the people 
> will have the power and the elite will be trying to find somewhere to 
> hide.
>
> The French revolution comes to mind.
>
> Happy New Year mate!
>
> George
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From:* "Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY]" <[email protected]>
> *To:* [email protected]
> *Sent:* Saturday, 30 December 2017, 10:48
> *Subject:* Re: [EVGRAY] Some bible answers that may CLEAR some minds 
> here ///
>
> Hi George,
> Quite the response, some good research.  Have not heard of the book of 
> Jasher for a long time.
> Someone said never talk politics or religion if one desires to keep 
> ones friends.
>
> Can't say I abide by that as coming from the sensationalist rock music 
> world always enjoy posting a bit of the politically incorrect just for 
> fun and to always make a mockery of things provoked as sacred by the 
> borg collective.
>
> Since finding out at the highest levels of science and government and 
> justice most everything on the planet is just social engineered 
> petrodollar nazipharma tripe I try to give everyone the benefit of the 
> doubt.
>
> So I shall inquire once more, after many people decide to agree the 
> earth is flat then what?
>
> Is this just to upset the apple cart or is there a long term plan or 
> goal or agenda?
>
>
>
>
>
> On 12/29/2017 6:13 PM, george gray [email protected] 
> <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>> Hector,
>>
>> Thanks for your link to a religious point of view of the earth.
>>
>> Let the Bible tell you the real story, read the texts a few times if 
>> necessary until you understand the
>> meaning. Forget your previous knowledge, and think on these 
>> scriptures and ask yourself:/*What is the Bible really showing me 
>> concerning the nature of the heavens, the earth, the sun, moon and 
>> stars?*//**//*What is the Bible telling me?*/
>>
>> "It is he who sits above the *circle *of the earth, and its 
>> inhabitants are like grasshoppers; who *stretches out the heavens 
>> like a curtain, and spreads them like a tent to dwell in" *Is. 40:22
>>
>> We all know that a circle is not a ball. In fact, *the Hebrew word 
>> used in this verse is "khoog" (pronounced chug). The word literally 
>> means, circle, circuit, and compass.*
>>
>> In all of these words, none of them bring up a picture of a ball. 
>> Furthermore if the earth were a ball, and God wished to communicate 
>> that here, then it would have required using *the Hebrew word "dure" 
>> (pronounced dur). The Hebrew definition for dure is, a circle, pile, 
>> or ball.*
>>
>> If the shape of the earth was intended to be conveyed as a "ball" 
>> then *the Hebrew word "dure" would have been the word used as found 
>> in Isaiah 22:18, *"He will surely violently turn and toss thee like a 
>> BALL into a large country: there shalt thou die, and there the 
>> chariots of thy glory shall be the shame of thy lord's house."
>>
>> *It wasn't used there, instead the Hebrew word "khoog." was used. The 
>> flat earth depictions are exactly that, of a circle not a ball.*
>>
>> Inline image
>>
>>
>> Another interesting example from Scripture is found in Joshua 10 
>> where God caused *the "sun to stand still."*
>>
>> "And *the sun stood still, and the moon stopped, *until the nation 
>> took vengeance on their enemies.
>> Is this not written in the Book of Jashar? *The sun stopped in the 
>> midst of heaven and did not hurry to set for about a whole day." **- 
>> *Joshua 10:13
>>
>> If the sun is the centre of the universe and the earth is orbiting 
>> around it, then for this event to occur, it would have to have been 
>> the earth standing still, not the sun. However, if the earth is flat 
>> and the sun and moon rotate inside the firmament or dome above us, it 
>> would make perfect sense for the sun to stand still in order to 
>> prolong the day here, and_notice that the moon also stopped._
>>
>> *Both the sun and the moon are inside our dome or firmament in the 
>> midst of heaven, over the flat earth.*
>>
>> Regarding The Firmament of the heaven or the dome above us: And God 
>> said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it 
>> divide the waters from the waters. - Genesis 1:6
>>
>> And God said, *Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven *to 
>> divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for 
>> seasons, and for days, and years. - Genesis 1:14.
>>
>> Isaiah 13:9 says: Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, cruel both with 
>> wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate: and he shall 
>> destroy the sinners thereof out of it. Isaiah 13:10 says: For the 
>> stars of heaven and the constellations thereof shall not give their 
>> light: the sun shall be darkened in his going forth, and the_moon 
>> shall not cause her light to shine._
>> _
>> _
>> *So it is clear that the sun gives his light and the moon gives her 
>> light and the stars give their light and the light from the moon is 
>> not reflected from the sun.*
>>
>> Which alone *spreadeth out the heavens*, and treadeth upon the waves 
>> of the sea. - Job 9:8
>>
>> Hast thou with him spread out *the sky, which is strong, and as a 
>> molten looking glass*? - Job 37:18
>>
>> The heavens declare the glory of God; and *the firmament sheweth his 
>> handywork*. - Psalms 19:1
>>
>> Of old hast thou laid the foundation of the earth: and the heavens 
>> are the work of thy hands. - Psalms 102:25
>>
>> Who coverest thyself with light as with a garment: who stretchest out 
>> the heavens like a curtain. - Psalms 104:2
>>
>> Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the 
>> womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the 
>> heavens alone; that *spreadeth* abroad the earth by myself. - Isaiah 
>> 44:24
>>
>> I have made the earth, and created man upon it: I, even my hands, 
>> have stretched out the heavens, and all their host have I commanded. 
>> - Isaiah 45:12
>>
>> Mine hand also hath laid *the foundation of the earth*, and my right 
>> hand hath spanned the heavens: when I call unto them, they stand up 
>> together. - Isaiah 48:13
>>
>> He hath made the earth by his power, he hath established the world by 
>> his wisdom, and hath stretched out the heavens by his discretion. - 
>> Jeremiah 10:12
>>
>> The burden of the word of the LORD for Israel, saith the LORD, which 
>> stretcheth forth the heavens, and layeth *the foundation of the 
>> earth*, and formeth the spirit of man within him. - Zechariah 12:1
>> *
>> *
>> **
>> *Now here are some scriptures regarding The Waters And The Heaven of 
>> Heavens Above:*
>> And God said, Let there be *a firmament* in the midst of the waters, 
>> and let it divide the waters from the waters. - Genesis 1:6
>>
>> Behold, the heaven and the heaven of heavens is the LORD's thy God, 
>> the earth also, with all that therein is. - Deuteronomy 10:14
>>
>> Praise him, ye heavens of heavens, and *ye waters that be above the 
>> heavens*. - Psalms 148:4
>>
>> For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God *the 
>> heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in 
>> the water*. - 2 Peter 3:5
>>
>> *Scriptures Regarding The Earth Being Immovable:*
>> And *the sun stood still, and the moon stayed*, until the people had 
>> avenged themselves upon their enemies. Is not this written in the 
>> book of Jasher? So *the sun stood still in the midst of heaven, *and 
>> hasted not to go down about a whole day. - Joshua 10:13
>>
>> Fear before him, all the earth: *the world also shall be stable, that 
>> it be not moved. *- 1 Chronicles 16:30
>>
>> The LORD reigneth, he is clothed with majesty; the LORD is clothed 
>> with strength, wherewith he hath girded himself: _*the world also is 
>> established, that it cannot be moved.*_**- Psalms 93:1
>>
>> Say among the heathen that the LORD reigneth: _*the world also shall 
>> be established that it shall not be moved*_: he shall judge the 
>> people righteously. - Psalms 96:10
>>
>> Who laid _*the foundations of the earth*__, __*that it should not be 
>> removed for ever*__. _- Psalms 104:5
>>
>> Behold, I will bring again the shadow of the degrees, which is gone 
>> down in the sun dial of Ahaz, ten degrees backward. So *the sun 
>> returned ten degrees*, by which degrees it was gone down. - Isaiah 38:8
>>
>> *Scriptures Regarding The Flat Earth:*
>> And upon Elam will I bring the four winds from the four quarters of 
>> heaven, and will scatter them toward all those winds; and there shall 
>> be no nation whither the outcasts of Elam shall not come. - Jeremiah 
>> 49:36
>>
>> Also, thou son of man, thus saith the Lord GOD unto the land of 
>> Israel; An end, the end is come upon the four corners of the land. - 
>> Ezekiel 7:2
>>
>> *The tree grew, and was strong, and the height thereof reached unto 
>> heaven, and the sight thereof to the end of all the earth. *- Daniel 4:11
>>
>> It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the 
>> inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the 
>> heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in. - 
>> Isaiah 40:22
>>
>> Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and 
>> sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them. - 
>> Matthew 4:8
>>
>> And saw heaven opened, and a certain vessel descending upon him, as 
>> it had been a great sheet knit at *the four corners*, and let down to 
>> the earth. - Acts 10:11
>>
>> I was in the city of Joppa praying: and in a trance I saw a vision, A 
>> certain vessel descend, as it had been a great sheet, let down from 
>> heaven by four corners; and it came even to me. - Acts 11:5
>>
>> And after these things I saw four angels standing on *the four 
>> corners of the earth*, holding the four winds of the earth, that the 
>> wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree. - 
>> Revelation 7:1
>>
>> And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in *the four 
>> quarters of the earth*, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to 
>> battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea. - Revelation 20:8
>>
>> *There are no scriptures that teach that the earth is a round 
>> spinning ball orbiting the sun?*
>>
>> Also, the verses which speak about the "four corners" of the earth 
>> only makes sense in respect to the flat earth. If the earth were a 
>> ball there wouldn't be one corner, let alone four.
>>
>> *Notice that the sun and moon are inside the Dome or Firmament of the 
>> Earth and also the stars are attached to the dome or firmament.*
>>
>> In Genesis 1:6: “And God said, ‘Let there be an expanse in the midst 
>> of the waters, and let it separate the waters from the waters’” 
>> (ESV). *The Hebrew word for “expanse” is “raqiya.” It literally means 
>> a firmament or a visible arch in the sky. *The NIV translates the 
>> word there as *“vault.” *Jamieson-Fausset-Brown Bible Commentary adds 
>> *“firmament—an expanse—a beating out as a plate of metal..”*
>>
>> There are more references for this. In Job 37:18 it reads, “Can you, 
>> like him, *spread out the skies, hard as a cast metal mirror?” *The 
>> Hebrew word for “spread out” is from the Hebrew word “raqa,” which is 
>> the Hebrew root for “raqiya” that was used in Genesis. It literally 
>> means to “pound the earth, by analogy to expand (by hammering), by 
>> implication it means to overlay (with thin sheets of metal). 
>> Jamieson-Fausset-Brown Bible Commentary *says it means a “molten 
>> looking glass—image of the bright smiling sky. *Mirrors were then 
>> formed of molten polished metal, not glass.”
>>
>> In Amos 9:6: “It is he that buildeth his stories in the heaven, and 
>> hath founded his troop in the earth; he that calleth for the waters 
>> of the sea, and poureth them out upon the face of the earth: The LORD 
>> is his name” (KJV), however. The ESV renders the verse this way: “who 
>> builds his upper chambers in the heavens and founds his *vault upon 
>> the earth*; who calls for the waters of the sea and pours them out 
>> upon the surface of the earth— the LORD is his name.”
>>
>> The Hebrew word translated as *"vault" is ‘aguddah’ *whose verb form 
>> means to "bind, fit, or construct." Commenting on this verse, Richard 
>> S. Cripps states that *"here it seems that the 'heavens' are 'bound' 
>> or fitted into a solid vault, the ends of which are upon the earth."*
>>
>> Some evangelicals claim that the Bible contains at least three 
>> references to a spherical earth (Is.40:22; Job 22:14; Prov. 8:27). 
>> The Hebrew word /*hug */used here cannot be translated as sphere 
>> (which is rendered by a different word), but must again be 
>> interpreted as *a solid vault overarching the earth. *The Anchor 
>> Bible translation of Is. 40:22: *"God sits upon the *_*dome *_*of the 
>> earth." *Job 22:14 says that God *"walks on *_*the 
>> vault*_*(*/*hug*/*) of heaven," *again suggesting something solid. 
>> /*Hug* /can also refer to the circular perimeter of the sky-dome: "He 
>> drew a circle (/hug/) on the face of the deep...and made *firm the 
>> skies above*" (Prov. 8:27-28).
>>
>> The question arises, how is there a vault if we can see out into the 
>> night sky? *God has placed the *_*"heavens" within the dome*_*. *The 
>> references used here in the Hebrew referring to metal simply are 
>> referring to the “strength” of the dome, not necessarily its 
>> composition, which certainly could be transparent to allow for the 
>> blue sky which separated the "waters from the waters."
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>> *From:* "[email protected] [EVGRAY]" 
>> <mailto:[email protected][EVGRAY]> <[email protected]> 
>> <mailto:[email protected]>
>> *To:* [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, 27 December 2017, 13:15
>> *Subject:* [EVGRAY] Some bible answers that may CLEAR some minds here ///
>>
>> https://answersingenesis.org/astronomy/the-universe-confirms-the-bible/
>>
>>
>> Enjoy the reading ..
>>
>> (H)
>>
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>
>

Hi George,

"If someone teaches that 2+2 = 5 and I find out that it only = 4, then I want to set the record straight."
That's the way it's done when using the scientific method. Always refine and question the results.

"Ask yourself, why would generations of scientists lie to everybody?"
True science wants the truth. When using lies it all becomes complicated. Some branches of science are a full of patches. Instead of using patches a better way is to start all over by using the knowledge acquired until now and make a new theory fit for the observations. A true scientist isn't just following the money but would do science by following the scientific method to seek out truth. It's a pity the financiers don't agree to seek out the truth. But a financier wants to get back the money put into some research project. The truth may prevent such a plan or spoil it for other big investments perhaps made by the same investor. One early example of this is Edison Tesla and J.P. Morgen. The medical health research and food industry have lots of that kind of conflicts.

Nobody seems to be able to prove that the Earth is flat. At least no proof if the proofs are put through the scientific method to see if they are true. If accepting false science we can prove that the Earth is cylinder shaped or cube shaped having flat sides. This requires lots of patches and some observations will have to be discarded. Doing that is not true science.

Regards
Ole
 

---In [email protected], <canowindracd@...> wrote :

 Mick,
 

 If someone teaches that 2+2 = 5 and I find out that it only = 4, then I want to set the record straight.

 

 Ask yourself, why would generations of scientists lie to everybody? Well those in the know, who are 33rd degree Masons and Jews, are in a conspiracy league against God. They lie about this Bible and gospel related subject.
 

 The ball earth is a foundation for evolution and the Big Bang theory and this completely gets rid of God, the Creator.
 

 The world is run by Satan the father of the lie, and his satanic elite, and their primary goal is to discredit and hide God, making us believe He doesn't exist and then to completely enslave mankind.

 

 Without the ball earth lie, all of Satan's and his elite's deceptions are exposed and blown out of the water so to speak.

 

 People are being herded along by the NWO to the point of no return, just as it was in Hitler's day, and if we don't wake people up now, it will suddenly be too late.

 

 They plan to kill more than 7 billion people and keep 500 million dumbed-down people as their slaves.

 

 Exposing the flat earth and the non moon landing and 9/11, and many other fake things is a way of waking people up and then we the people will have the power and the elite will be trying to find somewhere to hide.

 

 The French revolution comes to mind.

 

 Happy New Year mate!

 

 George
 


 From: "Mick mkjekyll@... [EVGRAY]" <[email protected]>
 To: [email protected] 
 Sent: Saturday, 30 December 2017, 10:48
 Subject: Re: [EVGRAY] Some bible answers that may CLEAR some minds here ///
 
 
   
 Hi George,
 Quite the response, some good research.  Have not heard of the book of Jasher for a long time.

 Someone said never talk politics or religion if one desires to keep ones friends.  
 
 Can't say I abide by that as coming from the sensationalist rock music world always enjoy posting a bit of the politically incorrect just for fun and to always make a mockery of things provoked as sacred by the borg collective.
 
 Since finding out at the highest levels of science and government and justice most everything on the planet is just social engineered petrodollar nazipharma tripe I try to give everyone the benefit of the doubt.
 
 So I shall inquire once more, after many people decide to agree the earth is flat then what?
 
 Is this just to upset the apple cart or is there a long term plan or goal or agenda?
 
 
 
 
 
 On 12/29/2017 6:13 PM, george gray canowindracd@... mailto:canowindracd@... [EVGRAY] wrote:

   Hector,
 

 Thanks for your link to a religious point of view of the earth.
 
 
 Let the Bible tell you the real story, read the texts a few times if necessary until you understand the
 meaning. Forget your previous knowledge, and think on these scriptures and ask yourself: What is the Bible really showing me concerning the nature of the heavens, the earth, the sun, moon and stars? What is the Bible telling me?
 
 
 "It is he who sits above the circle of the earth, and its inhabitants are like grasshoppers; who stretches out the heavens like a curtain, and spreads them like a tent to dwell in" Is. 40:22
 
 
 We all know that a circle is not a ball. In fact, the Hebrew word used in this verse is "khoog" (pronounced chug). The word literally means, circle, circuit, and compass.
 
 
 In all of these words, none of them bring up a picture of a ball. Furthermore if the earth were a ball, and God wished to communicate that here, then it would have required using the Hebrew word "dure" (pronounced dur). The Hebrew definition for dure is, a circle, pile, or ball.
 
 
 If the shape of the earth was intended to be conveyed as a "ball" then the Hebrew word "dure" would have been the word used as found in Isaiah 22:18, "He will surely violently turn and toss thee like a BALL into a large country: there shalt thou die, and there the chariots of thy glory shall be the shame of thy lord's house."
 
 
 It wasn't used there, instead the Hebrew word "khoog." was used. The flat earth depictions are exactly that, of a circle not a ball.
 

 
 

 

 Another interesting example from Scripture is found in Joshua 10 where God caused the "sun to stand still."
 
 
 "And the sun stood still, and the moon stopped, until the nation took vengeance on their enemies.
 Is this not written in the Book of Jashar? The sun stopped in the midst of heaven and did not hurry to set for about a whole day." - Joshua 10:13
 

 If the sun is the centre of the universe and the earth is orbiting around it, then for this event to occur, it would have to have been the earth standing still, not the sun. However, if the earth is flat and the sun and moon rotate inside the firmament or dome above us, it would make perfect sense for the sun to stand still in order to prolong the day here, and notice that the moon also stopped.
 

 Both the sun and the moon are inside our dome or firmament in the midst of heaven, over the flat earth.
 

 Regarding The Firmament of the heaven or the dome above us: And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters. - Genesis 1:6
 
 
 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years. - Genesis 1:14. 
 
 
 
 Isaiah 13:9 says: Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, cruel both with wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate: and he shall destroy the sinners thereof out of it. Isaiah 13:10 says: For the stars of heaven and the constellations thereof shall not give their light: the sun shall be darkened in his going forth, and the moon shall not cause her light to shine.
 
 
 So it is clear that the sun gives his light and the moon gives her light and the stars give their light and the light from the moon is not reflected from the sun.
 
 
 Which alone spreadeth out the heavens, and treadeth upon the waves of the sea. - Job 9:8
 
 
 Hast thou with him spread out the sky, which is strong, and as a molten looking glass? - Job 37:18
 
 
 The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork. - Psalms 19:1
 
 
 Of old hast thou laid the foundation of the earth: and the heavens are the work of thy hands. - Psalms 102:25
 
 
 Who coverest thyself with light as with a garment: who stretchest out the heavens like a curtain. - Psalms 104:2
 
 
 Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself. - Isaiah 44:24
 
 
 I have made the earth, and created man upon it: I, even my hands, have stretched out the heavens, and all their host have I commanded. - Isaiah 45:12
 
 
 Mine hand also hath laid the foundation of the earth, and my right hand hath spanned the heavens: when I call unto them, they stand up together. - Isaiah 48:13
 
 
 He hath made the earth by his power, he hath established the world by his wisdom, and hath stretched out the heavens by his discretion. - Jeremiah 10:12
 
 
 The burden of the word of the LORD for Israel, saith the LORD, which stretcheth forth the heavens, and layeth the foundation of the earth, and formeth the spirit of man within him. - Zechariah 12:1
 
 
 Now here are some scriptures regarding The Waters And The Heaven of Heavens Above:
 And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters. - Genesis 1:6
 
 
 Behold, the heaven and the heaven of heavens is the LORD's thy God, the earth also, with all that therein is. - Deuteronomy 10:14
 
 
 Praise him, ye heavens of heavens, and ye waters that be above the heavens. - Psalms 148:4
 
 
 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water. - 2 Peter 3:5
 

 Scriptures Regarding The Earth Being Immovable:
 And the sun stood still, and the moon stayed, until the people had avenged themselves upon their enemies. Is not this written in the book of Jasher? So the sun stood still in the midst of heaven, and hasted not to go down about a whole day. - Joshua 10:13
 
 
 Fear before him, all the earth: the world also shall be stable, that it be not moved. - 1 Chronicles 16:30
 
 
 The LORD reigneth, he is clothed with majesty; the LORD is clothed with strength, wherewith he hath girded himself: the world also is established, that it cannot be moved. - Psalms 93:1
 
 
 Say among the heathen that the LORD reigneth: the world also shall be established that it shall not be moved: he shall judge the people righteously. - Psalms 96:10
 
 
 Who laid the foundations of the earth, that it should not be removed for ever. - Psalms 104:5
 
 
 Behold, I will bring again the shadow of the degrees, which is gone down in the sun dial of Ahaz, ten degrees backward. So the sun returned ten degrees, by which degrees it was gone down. - Isaiah 38:8
 

 Scriptures Regarding The Flat Earth:
 And upon Elam will I bring the four winds from the four quarters of heaven, and will scatter them toward all those winds; and there shall be no nation whither the outcasts of Elam shall not come. - Jeremiah 49:36
 
 
 Also, thou son of man, thus saith the Lord GOD unto the land of Israel; An end, the end is come upon the four corners of the land. - Ezekiel 7:2
 
 
 The tree grew, and was strong, and the height thereof reached unto heaven, and the sight thereof to the end of all the earth. - Daniel 4:11
 
 
 It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in. - Isaiah 40:22

George the problem is that people don't work from the original language
.when you can get there it all fits. Out of four possible ways life could
have came into bring evolution is eluded to but not in mans case .all of
the thirteen layers  in the book of Genesis match exactly what's found in
nature .and the more we know the tighter it gets .there's like 35 events
found on earth and 17 in space. That are impossible but there there .the
anti God people scientist when they see this work freek out and believe
.they know the numbers .the only trouble with this is you have to be a
physics professor to under stand it it's so impossible that it had to be
created . like the odds of standing a ball point pin on end and get it to
stand up 50,000 times in a row ! There's a point that the degree of
difficulty is so great that it moves into the realm of the miraculous and
that's by scientific standards. The only real argument is how long it took
.if you remove that it fits and there's no problem .and when you know that
a day in Hebrew is a Yom and that just means a bracketed block of time
.like a day ..a year ...and epoch.. Or the beginning and the end .it could
be either one . but God's in it all !! Read Doctor Ross's book ,...the
finger prints of God ..he's an Astro physics scientists . and there is no
doubt only ignorance left to deal with . he sits on a board of six other
scientists that review all new scientific finds on the planet every year .
ask him about the flat earth theory if you can reach him .he's hard to get
a hold of . a letter might work .
On Dec 31, 2017 8:50 AM, "Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY]" <
[email protected]> wrote:

>
>
> Ok George,
>
> I understand your point, but we are all already "their" slaves because we
> pay taxes by force which finance evil shit and evil people.  In the US over
> 50% of the population derives income from the government who produce
> nothing so easy to see it's a ponzy scheme as it's unsustainable.
>
> Every evening on the news they espouse the drivel right from Marx which
> states victim hood and entitlement, he and Engels used different words such
> as proletariat and bourgeois. In one part of South America where people are
> proud to have a job and go to work it's becoming the exact opposite in the
> US where they desire to kill off the middle class.  I just had to fill out
> papers for residency and one line inquired Male- Female- Undecided so this
> drivel is spreading worldwide.
>
> After the engineered crash in 2007-8 they did not subtract the destroyed
> debt from the national debt but rebooted the financial system and left the
> slave numbers in place.  This is why in 2006 they stopped printing the M3
> statistic from the central bank so they could reboot and use the old
> numbers.
>
> If 911 which is an obvious bullshit sled ride will not get past peoples
> brain barrier the flat earth is like convincing someone to push lead ingots
> up Everest.
>
> You want to be this agent of change which is a noble goal as one is either
> part of the solution or problem then I would suggest building an RV or
> something else over unity measurable 3d solid in front of ones face so you
> can prove your point rather than using outside claims, it will sink in
> better.  Same as your dietary cures can be proven on the spot when ones
> body heals itself.
>
> If you think Bastille day will be repeated, they already took your guns
> down there, good luck with that.  One of the reasons they will not let the
> people use the aetheric energies is they can make very dangerous weapons.
> One guy with a backpack can shut down a whole division of modern electronic
> warfare devices.  So this is a second good use of this information to
> replicate and determine how to make use of so one can defend oneself from
> the big wipe if it comes by way of the military.  They are hoping it comes
> naturally so they can hide underground when earth gets rebooted.  If not,
> once the androids come online and can replace any human job then the
> artificial wipe begins.
>
> Ask yourself this question, using cell towers can one broadcast a carrier
> that sterilizes the population, what vector will be used for the big wipe.
> Doesn't take much to do in a city, just cutoff the banking and in a week or
> two people will form into mad max tribes as most have been conditioned by
> the imaginary money so much they forgot how to interact and barter with one
> another.
>
> One long generation of no reproduction can do it also.
>
> So we either get this free energy off the ground or we are all cannon
> fodder for the petrodollar pharmanazis.  I think the flat earth theories
> waste a lot of time of people attempting to move towards a free energy
> economy so are more on the problem side than solution side.  If you are
> distracting people from this goal it does not matter if you are right or
> not, think about it.
>
> On 12/31/2017 12:50 AM, george gray [email protected] [EVGRAY]
> wrote:
>
>
> Mick,
>
> If someone teaches that 2+2 = 5 and I find out that it only = 4, then I
> want to set the record straight.
>
> Ask yourself, why would generations of scientists lie to everybody? Well
> those in the know, who are 33rd degree Masons and Jews, are in a conspiracy
> league against God. They lie about this Bible and gospel related subject.
>
> The ball earth is a foundation for evolution and the Big Bang theory and
> this completely gets rid of God, the Creator.
>
> The world is run by Satan the father of the lie, and his satanic elite,
> and their primary goal is to discredit and hide God, making us believe He
> doesn't exist and then to completely enslave mankind.
>
> Without the ball earth lie, all of Satan's and his elite's deceptions are
> exposed and blown out of the water so to speak.
>
> People are being herded along by the NWO to the point of no return, just
> as it was in Hitler's day, and if we don't wake people up now, it will
> suddenly be too late.
>
> They plan to kill more than 7 billion people and keep 500 million
> dumbed-down people as their slaves.
>
> Exposing the flat earth and the non moon landing and 9/11, and many other
> fake things is a way of waking people up and then we the people will have
> the power and the elite will be trying to find somewhere to hide.
>
> The French revolution comes to mind.
>
> Happy New Year mate!
>
> George
>
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* "Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY]" <[email protected]>
> <[email protected]>
> *To:* [email protected]
> *Sent:* Saturday, 30 December 2017, 10:48
> *Subject:* Re: [EVGRAY] Some bible answers that may CLEAR some minds here
> ///
>
>
> Hi George,
> Quite the response, some good research.  Have not heard of the book of
> Jasher for a long time.
> Someone said never talk politics or religion if one desires to keep ones
> friends.
>
> Can't say I abide by that as coming from the sensationalist rock music
> world always enjoy posting a bit of the politically incorrect just for fun
> and to always make a mockery of things provoked as sacred by the borg
> collective.
>
> Since finding out at the highest levels of science and government and
> justice most everything on the planet is just social engineered petrodollar
> nazipharma tripe I try to give everyone the benefit of the doubt.
>
> So I shall inquire once more, after many people decide to agree the earth
> is flat then what?
>
> Is this just to upset the apple cart or is there a long term plan or goal
> or agenda?
>
>
>
>
>
> On 12/29/2017 6:13 PM, george gray [email protected] [EVGRAY]
> wrote:
>
>
> Hector,
>
> Thanks for your link to a religious point of view of the earth.
>
> Let the Bible tell you the real story, read the texts a few times if
> necessary until you understand the
> meaning. Forget your previous knowledge, and think on these scriptures and
> ask yourself:* What is the Bible really showing me concerning the nature
> of the heavens, the earth, the sun, moon and stars?* *What is the Bible
> telling me?*
>
> "It is he who sits above the *circle *of the earth, and its inhabitants
> are like grasshoppers; who *stretches out the heavens like a curtain, and
> spreads them like a tent to dwell in" *Is. 40:22
>
> We all know that a circle is not a ball. In fact, *the Hebrew word used
> in this verse is "khoog" (pronounced chug). The word literally means,
> circle, circuit, and compass.*
>
> In all of these words, none of them bring up a picture of a ball.
> Furthermore if the earth were a ball, and God wished to communicate that
> here, then it would have required using *the Hebrew word "dure"
> (pronounced dur). The Hebrew definition for dure is, a circle, pile, or
> ball.*
>
> If the shape of the earth was intended to be conveyed as a "ball" then *the
> Hebrew word "dure" would have been the word used as found in Isaiah 22:18, *"He
> will surely violently turn and toss thee like a BALL into a large country:
> there shalt thou die, and there the chariots of thy glory shall be the
> shame of thy lord's house."
>
> *It wasn't used there, instead the Hebrew word "khoog." was used. The flat
> earth depictions are exactly that, of a circle not a ball.*
>
> [image: Inline image]
>
>
> Another interesting example from Scripture is found in Joshua 10 where God
> caused *the "sun to stand still."*
>
> "And *the sun stood still, and the moon stopped, *until the nation took
> vengeance on their enemies.
> Is this not written in the Book of Jashar? *The sun stopped in the midst
> of heaven and did not hurry to set for about a whole day." **- *Joshua
> 10:13
>
> If the sun is the centre of the universe and the earth is orbiting around
> it, then for this event to occur, it would have to have been the earth
> standing still, not the sun. However, if the earth is flat and the sun and
> moon rotate inside the firmament or dome above us, it would make perfect
> sense for the sun to stand still in order to prolong the day here, and*
> notice that the moon also stopped.*
>
> *Both the sun and the moon are inside our dome or firmament in the midst
> of heaven, over the flat earth.*
>
> Regarding The Firmament of the heaven or the dome above us: And God said,
> Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the
> waters from the waters. - Genesis 1:6
>
> And God said, *Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven *to
> divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons,
> and for days, and years. - Genesis 1:14.
>
> Isaiah 13:9 says: Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, cruel both with
> wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate: and he shall destroy the
> sinners thereof out of it. Isaiah 13:10 says: For the stars of heaven and
> the constellations thereof shall not give their light: the sun shall be
> darkened in his going forth, and the* moon shall not cause her light to
> shine.*
>
> *So it is clear that the sun gives his light and the moon gives her light
> and the stars give their light and the light from the moon is not reflected
> from the sun.*
>
> Which alone *spreadeth out the heavens*, and treadeth upon the waves of
> the sea. - Job 9:8
>
> Hast thou with him spread out *the sky, which is strong, and as a molten
> looking glass*? - Job 37:18
>
> The heavens declare the glory of God; and *the firmament sheweth his
> handywork*. - Psalms 19:1
>
> Of old hast thou laid the foundation of the earth: and the heavens are the
> work of thy hands. - Psalms 102:25
>
> Who coverest thyself with light as with a garment: who stretchest out the
> heavens like a curtain. - Psalms 104:2
>
> Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb,
> I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens
> alone; that *spreadeth* abroad the earth by myself. - Isaiah 44:24
>
> I have made the earth, and created man upon it: I, even my hands, have
> stretched out the heavens, and all their host have I commanded. - Isaiah
> 45:12
>
> Mine hand also hath laid *the foundation of the earth*, and my right hand
> hath spanned the heavens: when I call unto them, they stand up together. -
> Isaiah 48:13
>
> He hath made the earth by his power, he hath established the world by his
> wisdom, and hath stretched out the heavens by his discretion. - Jeremiah
> 10:12
>
> The burden of the word of the LORD for Israel, saith the LORD, which
> stretcheth forth the heavens, and layeth *the foundation of the earth*,
> and formeth the spirit of man within him. - Zechariah 12:1
>
> *Now here are some scriptures regarding The Waters And The Heaven of
> Heavens Above:*
> And God said, Let there be *a firmament* in the midst of the waters, and
> let it divide the waters from the waters. - Genesis 1:6
>
> Behold, the heaven and the heaven of heavens is the LORD's thy God, the
> earth also, with all that therein is. - Deuteronomy 10:14
>
> Praise him, ye heavens of heavens, and *ye waters that be above the
> heavens*. - Psalms 148:4
>
> For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God *the
> heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the
> water*. - 2 Peter 3:5
>
> *Scriptures Regarding The Earth Being Immovable:*
> And *the sun stood still, and the moon stayed*, until the people had
> avenged themselves upon their enemies. Is not this written in the book of
> Jasher? So *the sun stood still in the midst of heaven, *and hasted not
> to go down about a whole day. - Joshua 10:13
>
> Fear before him, all the earth: *the world also shall be stable, that it
> be not moved. *- 1 Chronicles 16:30
>
> The LORD reigneth, he is clothed with majesty; the LORD is clothed with
> strength, wherewith he hath girded himself: *the world also is
> established, that it cannot be moved.* - Psalms 93:1
>
> Say among the heathen that the LORD reigneth: *the world also shall be
> established that it shall not be moved*: he shall judge the people
> righteously. - Psalms 96:10
>
> Who laid *the foundations of the earth**, **that it should not be removed
> for ever**. *- Psalms 104:5
>
> Behold, I will bring again the shadow of the degrees, which is gone down
> in the sun dial of Ahaz, ten degrees backward. So *the sun returned ten
> degrees*, by which degrees it was gone down. - Isaiah 38:8
>
> *Scriptures Regarding The Flat Earth:*
> And upon Elam will I bring the four winds from the four quarters of
> heaven, and will scatter them toward all those winds; and there shall be no
> nation whither the outcasts of Elam shall not come. - Jeremiah 49:36
>
> Also, thou son of man, thus saith the Lord GOD unto the land of Israel; An
> end, the end is come upon the four corners of the land. - Ezekiel 7:2
>
> *The tree grew, and was strong, and the height thereof reached unto
> heaven, and the sight thereof to the end of all the earth. *- Daniel 4:11
>
> It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants
> thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain,
> and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in. - Isaiah 40:22
>
> Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and
> sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them. - Matthew
> 4:8
>
> And saw heaven opened, and a certain vessel descending upon him, as it had
> been a great sheet knit at *the four corners*, and let down to the earth.
> - Acts 10:11
>
> I was in the city of Joppa praying: and in a trance I saw a vision, A
> certain vessel descend, as it had been a great sheet, let down from heaven
> by four corners; and it came even to me. - Acts 11:5
>
> And after these things I saw four angels standing on *the four corners of
> the earth*, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not
> blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree. - Revelation 7:1
>
> And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in *the four quarters
> of the earth*, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the
> number of whom is as the sand of the sea. - Revelation 20:8
>
> *There are no scriptures that teach that the earth is a round spinning
> ball orbiting the sun?*
>
> Also, the verses which speak about the "four corners" of the earth only
> makes sense in respect to the flat earth. If the earth were a ball there
> wouldn't be one corner, let alone four.
>
> *Notice that the sun and moon are inside the Dome or Firmament of the
> Earth and also the stars are attached to the dome *
>
> ...

Hector,
Happy New Year.
Last time I answered your email the pictures didn't go through.
This time I attached them in a Powerpoint slide show.
George


      From: "[email protected] [EVGRAY]" <[email protected]>
 To: [email protected] 
 Sent: Wednesday, 27 December 2017, 13:15
 Subject: [EVGRAY] Some bible answers that may CLEAR some minds here ///
   
    https://answersingenesis.org/astronomy/the-universe-confirms-the-bible/


Enjoy the reading ..

(H) 

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Thanks Ole, and Happy New Year mate.
George


      From: "[email protected] [EVGRAY]" <[email protected]>
 To: [email protected] 
 Sent: Monday, 1 January 2018, 1:07
 Subject: Re: [EVGRAY] Some bible answers that may CLEAR some minds here ///
   
    Hi George,

"If someone teaches that 2+2 = 5 and I find out that it only = 4, then I want to set the record straight."
That's the way it's done when using the scientific method. Always refine and question the results.

"Ask yourself, why would generations of scientists lie to everybody?"
True science wants the truth. When using lies it all becomes complicated. Some branches of science are a full of patches. Instead of using patches a better way is to start all over by using the knowledge acquired until now and make a new theory fit for the observations. A true scientist isn't just following the money but would do science by following the scientific method to seek out truth. It's a pity the financiers don't agree to seek out the truth. But a financier wants to get back the money put into some research project. The truth may prevent such a plan or spoil it for other big investments perhaps made by the same investor. One early example of this is Edison Tesla and J.P. Morgen. The medical health research and food industry have lots of that kind of conflicts.

Nobody seems to be able to prove that the Earth is flat. At least no proof if the proofs are put through the scientific method to see if they are true. If accepting false science we can prove that the Earth is cylinder shaped or cube shaped having flat sides. This requires lots of patches and some observations will have to be discarded. Doing that is not true science.

Regards
Ole


---In [email protected], <canowindracd@...> wrote :

Mick,
If someone teaches that 2+2 = 5 and I find out that it only = 4, then I want to set the record straight.

Ask yourself, why would generations of scientists lie to everybody? Well those in the know, who are 33rd degree Masons and Jews, are in a conspiracy league against God. They lie about this Bible and gospel related subject.
 The ball earth is a foundation for evolution and the Big Bang theory and this completely gets rid of God, the Creator.
The world is run by Satan the father of the lie, and his satanic elite, and their primary goal is to discredit and hide God, making us believe He doesn't exist and then to completely enslave mankind.

Without the ball earth lie, all of Satan's and his elite's deceptions are exposed and blown out of the water so to speak.

People are being herded along by the NWO to the point of no return, just as it was in Hitler's day, and if we don't wake people up now, it will suddenly be too late.

They plan to kill more than 7 billion people and keep 500 million dumbed-down people as their slaves.

Exposing the flat earth and the non moon landing and 9/11, and many other fake things is a way of waking people up and then we the people will have the power and the elite will be trying to find somewhere to hide.

The French revolution comes to mind.

Happy New Year mate!

George

  From: "Mick mkjekyll@... [EVGRAY]" <[email protected]>
 To: [email protected] 
 Sent: Saturday, 30 December 2017, 10:48
 Subject: Re: [EVGRAY] Some bible answers that may CLEAR some minds here ///
 
 Hi George,Quite the response, some good research.  Have not heard of thebook of Jasher for a long time.
Someone said never talk politics or religion if one desires to keepones friends.  

Can't say I abide by that as coming from the sensationalist rockmusic world always enjoy posting a bit of the politically incorrectjust for fun and to always make a mockery of things provoked assacred by the borg collective.

Since finding out at the highest levels of science and governmentand justice most everything on the planet is just social engineeredpetrodollar nazipharma tripe I try to give everyone the benefit ofthe doubt.

So I shall inquire once more, after many people decide to agree theearth is flat then what?

Is this just to upset the apple cart or is there a long term plan orgoal or agenda?





On 12/29/2017 6:13 PM, george graycanowindracd@... [EVGRAY] wrote:


  Hector,
Thanksfor your link to a religious point of view of theearth.
Letthe Bible tell you the real story, read the textsa few times ifnecessary until you understand themeaning.Forget your previous knowledge, and think onthese scriptures and askyourself:What is theBible really showing me concerning thenature of the heavens, theearth, the sun, moon and stars?Whatis the Bible telling me?
"Itis he who sits above the circleof the earth, and its inhabitants arelike grasshoppers; who stretchesout the heavens like a curtain, and spreadsthem like a tent to dwellin" Is. 40:22
Weall know that a circle is not a ball. In fact, theHebrew word used in this verse is "khoog"(pronouncedchug). The word literally means, circle,circuit, and compass.
Inall of these words, none of them bring up apicture of a ball.Furthermore if the earth were a ball, and Godwished to communicatethat here, then it would have required using theHebrew word "dure" (pronounced dur). TheHebrew definitionfor dure is, a circle, pile, or ball.
Ifthe shape of the earth was intended to beconveyed as a "ball"then theHebrew word"dure" would have been the word used asfound in Isaiah22:18, "He will surely violentlyturn and toss thee like a BALL into a largecountry: there shalt thoudie, and there the chariots of thy glory shallbe the shame of thylord's house."
Itwasn't used there, instead the Hebrew word"khoog." wasused. The flat earth depictions are exactlythat, of a circle not aball.



Anotherinteresting example from Scripture is found inJoshua 10 where Godcaused the"sun tostand still."
"Andthesun stoodstill, and the moon stopped, untilthe nation took vengeance on their enemies.Isthis not written in the Book of Jashar? Thesun stopped in the midst of heaven and didnot hurry to set for abouta whole day." - Joshua10:13
Ifthe sun is the centre of the universe and theearth is orbitingaround it, then for this event to occur, it wouldhave to have beenthe earth standing still, not the sun. However, ifthe earth is flatand the sun and moon rotate inside the firmamentor dome above us, itwould make perfect sense for the sun to standstill in order toprolong the day here, andnotice that the moon also stopped.
Boththe sun and the moon are inside our dome orfirmament in the midst ofheaven, over the flat earth.
RegardingThe Firmament of the heaven or the dome above us:And God said, Letthere be a firmament in the midst of the waters,and let it dividethe waters from the waters. - Genesis 1:6
AndGod said, Letthere be lights in the firmament of theheaven todivide the day from the night; and let them befor signs, and forseasons, and for days, and years. - Genesis1:14. 

Isaiah13:9 says: Behold, the day of the LORD cometh,cruel both with wrathand fierce anger, to lay the land desolate: and heshall destroy thesinners thereof out of it. Isaiah 13:10 says: Forthe stars of heaven and the constellationsthereof shall not givetheir light: the sun shall be darkened in hisgoing forth, and themoon shall not cause her light to shine.
Soit is clear that the sun gives his light and themoon gives her lightand the stars give their light and the lightfrom the moon is notreflected from the sun.
Whichalone spreadethout the heavens,and treadeth upon the waves of the sea. - Job 9:8
Hastthou with him spread out thesky, which is strong, and as a moltenlooking glass?- Job 37:18
Theheavens declare the glory of God; and thefirmament sheweth his handywork.- Psalms 19:1
Ofold hast thou laid the foundation of the earth:and the heavens arethe work of thy hands. - Psalms 102:25
Whocoverest thyself with light as with a garment: whostretchest out theheavens like a curtain. - Psalms 104:2
Thussaith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formedthee from the womb,I am the LORD that maketh all things; thatstretcheth forth theheavens alone; that spreadethabroad the earth by myself. -Isaiah 44:24
Ihave made the earth, and created man upon it: I,even my hands, havestretched out the heavens, and all their host haveI commanded. -Isaiah 45:12
Minehand also hath laid thefoundation of theearth, and my right hand hathspanned the heavens: when Icall unto them, they stand up together. - Isaiah48:13
Hehath made the earth by his power, he hathestablished the world byhis wisdom, and hath stretched out the heavens byhis discretion. -Jeremiah 10:12
Theburden of the word of the LORD for Israel, saiththe LORD, whichstretcheth forth the heavens,and layeth thefoundation of the earth,and formeth the spirit of man within him. -Zechariah 12:1
Nowhere are some scriptures regarding The WatersAnd The Heaven ofHeavens Above:AndGod said, Let there be afirmamentin the midst of the waters, and let it divide thewaters from thewaters. - Genesis 1:6
Behold,the heaven and the heaven of heavens is the LORD'sthy God, the earthalso, with all that therein is. - Deuteronomy10:14
Praisehim, ye heavens of heavens, and yewatersthat be above the heavens. - Psalms148:4
Forthis they willingly are ignorant of, that by theword of God theheavens were of old, and the earth standingout of the water and inthe water. - 2 Peter 3:5
ScripturesRegarding The Earth Being Immovable:Andthesun stoodstill, and the moon stayed,until the people had avenged themselves upontheir enemies. Is notthis written in the book of Jasher? So thesun stood still in the midst of heaven, andhasted not to go down about a whole day. -Joshua 10:13
Fearbefore him, all the earth: theworld also shall be stable, that it be notmoved. -1 Chronicles 16:30
TheLORD reigneth, he is clothed with majesty; theLORD is clothed withstrength, wherewith he hath girded himself: theworld also is established, that it cannot bemoved.- Psalms 93:1
Sayamong the heathen that the LORD reigneth: theworld also shall be established that itshall not be moved:he shall judge the people righteously. -Psalms 96:10
Wholaid thefoundations of the earth,thatitshould not be removed for ever.- Psalms 104:5
Behold,I will bring again the shadow of the degrees,which is gone down inthe sun dial of Ahaz, ten degrees backward. So thesun returned ten degrees, by whichdegrees it was gonedown. - Isaiah 38:8
ScripturesRegarding The Flat Earth:Andupon Elam will I bring the four winds from thefour quarters ofheaven, and will scatter them toward all thosewinds; and there shallbe no nation whither the outcasts of Elam shallnot come. - Jeremiah49:36
Also,thou son of man, thus saith the Lord GOD unto theland of Israel; Anend, the end is come upon the four corners of theland. - Ezekiel 7:2
Thetree grew, and was strong, and the heightthereof reached untoheaven, and the sight thereof to the end of allthe earth. -Daniel 4:11
Itis he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth,and the inhabitantsthereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth outthe heavens as acurtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwellin. - Isaiah 40:22

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Mick,
Getting something running on free energy will get you killed. I was warned off in 1965 and myself and my wife and four kids would be killed.
13 people have already been killed in this regard.
It seems safe to talk about something up to 90% working but if you go to show 100% you are dead.
My view is to open the eyes of all the people about the flat earth and the whole world of mankind will rise up against those enslaving us.
George


      From: "Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY]" <[email protected]>
 To: [email protected] 
 Sent: Monday, 1 January 2018, 1:50
 Subject: Re: [EVGRAY] Some bible answers that may CLEAR some minds here ///
   
     Ok George, I understand your point, but we are all already "their" slaves because we pay taxes by force which finance evil shit and evil people.  In the US over 50% of the population derives income from the government who produce nothing so easy to see it's a ponzy scheme as it's unsustainable. Every evening on the news they espouse the drivel right from Marx which states victim hood and entitlement, he and Engels used different words such as proletariat and bourgeois. In one part of South America where people are proud to have a job and go to work it's becoming the exact opposite in the US where they desire to kill off the middle class.  I just had to fill out papers for residency and one line inquired Male- Female- Undecided so this drivel is spreading worldwide.
 
  After the engineered crash in 2007-8 they did not subtract the destroyed debt from the national debt but rebooted the financial system and left the slave numbers in place.  This is why in 2006 they stopped printing the M3 statistic from the central bank so they could reboot and use the old numbers.
  If 911 which is an obvious bullshit sled ride will not get past peoples brain barrier the flat earth is like convincing someone to push lead ingots up Everest. You want to be this agent of change which is a noble goal as one is either part of the solution or problem then I would suggest building an RV or something else over unity measurable 3d solid in front of ones face so you can prove your point rather than using outside claims, it will sink in better.  Same as your dietary cures can be proven on the spot when ones body heals itself.
  If you think Bastille day will be repeated, they already took your guns down there, good luck with that.  One of the reasons they will not let the people use the aetheric energies is they can make very dangerous weapons.  One guy with a backpack can shut down a whole division of modern electronic warfare devices.  So this is a second good use of this information to replicate and determine how to make use of so one can defend oneself from the big wipe if it comes by way of the military.  They are hoping it comes naturally so they can hide underground when earth gets rebooted.  If not, once the androids come online and can replace any human job then the artificial wipe begins. Ask yourself this question, using cell towers can one broadcast a carrier that sterilizes the population, what vector will be used for the big wipe.  Doesn't take much to do in a city, just cutoff the banking and in a week or two people will form into mad max tribes as most have been conditioned by the imaginary money so much they forgot how to interact and barter with one another. 
  One long generation of no reproduction can do it also.  
  So we either get this free energy off the ground or we are all cannon fodder for the petrodollar pharmanazis.  I think the flat earth theories waste a lot of time of people attempting to move towards a free energy economy so are more on the problem side than solution side.  If you are distracting people from this goal it does not matter if you are right or not, think about it.
  
 On 12/31/2017 12:50 AM, george gray [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
  
     Mick, 
  If someone teaches that 2+2 = 5 and I find out that it only = 4, then I want to set the record straight.
  
  Ask yourself, why would generations of scientists lie to everybody? Well those in the know, who are 33rd degree Masons and Jews, are in a conspiracy league against God. They lie about this Bible and gospel related subject. 
   The ball earth is a foundation for evolution and the Big Bang theory and this completely gets rid of God, the Creator. 
  The world is run by Satan the father of the lie, and his satanic elite, and their primary goal is to discredit and hide God, making us believe He doesn't exist and then to completely enslave mankind.
  
  Without the ball earth lie, all of Satan's and his elite's deceptions are exposed and blown out of the water so to speak.
  
  People are being herded along by the NWO to the point of no return, just as it was in Hitler's day, and if we don't wake people up now, it will suddenly be too late.
  
  They plan to kill more than 7 billion people and keep 500 million dumbed-down people as their slaves.
  
  Exposing the flat earth and the non moon landing and 9/11, and many other fake things is a way of waking people up and then we the people will have the power and the elite will be trying to find somewhere to hide.
  
  The French revolution comes to mind.
  
  Happy New Year mate!
  
  George 
 
        From: "Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY]" <[email protected]>
 To: [email protected] 
 Sent: Saturday, 30 December 2017, 10:48
 Subject: Re: [EVGRAY] Some bible answers that may CLEAR some minds here ///
  
          Hi George, Quite the response, some good research.  Have not heard of the book of Jasher for a long time.
  Someone said never talk politics or religion if one desires to keep ones friends.  
 
 Can't say I abide by that as coming from the sensationalist rock music world always enjoy posting a bit of the politically incorrect just for fun and to always make a mockery of things  provoked as sacred by the borg collective.
 
 Since finding out at the highest levels of science and government and justice most everything on the planet is just social engineered petrodollar nazipharma tripe I try to give everyone the benefit  of the doubt.
 
 So I shall inquire once more, after many people decide to agree the earth is flat then what?
 
 Is this just to upset the apple cart or is there a long term plan or goal or agenda?
 
 
 
 
 
  On 12/29/2017 6:13 PM, george gray [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
  
     Hector, 
  Thanks for your link to a religious point of view  of the earth. 
  Let the Bible tell you the real story, read the texts a  few times if necessary until you understand the meaning. Forget your previous knowledge, and think  on these scriptures and ask yourself: What is the Bible really showing me  concerning the nature of the heavens, the  earth, the sun, moon and stars? What is the Bible telling me? 
  "It is he who sits above the circle of the earth, and its inhabitants are like  grasshoppers; who stretches out the heavens like a curtain,  and spreads them like a tent to dwell in" Is. 40:22 
  We all know that a circle is not a ball. In fact, the Hebrew word used in this verse is  "khoog" (pronounced chug). The word literally  means, circle, circuit, and  compass. 
  In all of these words, none of them bring up a picture  of a ball. Furthermore if the earth were a ball, and God wished to communicate that here, then it would have  required using the Hebrew word "dure" (pronounced dur).  The Hebrew definition for dure is, a circle, pile,  or ball. 
  If the shape of the earth was intended to be  conveyed as a "ball" then the Hebrew word "dure" would have been  the word used as found in Isaiah 22:18, "He will surely violently turn and toss thee like a  BALL into a large country: there shalt thou die, and there the chariots of thy glory shall be the  shame of thy lord's house." 
  It wasn't used there, instead the Hebrew  word "khoog." was used. The flat earth depictions are exactly that, of a circle not a  ball. 
  
 
  
  Another interesting example from Scripture is  found in Joshua 10 where God caused the "sun to stand still." 
  "And the sun stood still, and the moon  stopped, until the nation took vengeance on their  enemies. Is this not written in the Book of Jashar? The sun stopped in the midst of heaven  and did not hurry to set for about a whole day." - Joshua 10:13 
  If the sun is the centre of the universe and the earth  is orbiting around it, then for this event to occur, it would have to have been the earth standing still, not the  sun. However, if the earth is flat and the sun and moon rotate  inside the firmament or dome above us, it would  make perfect sense for the sun to stand still in order to prolong the  day here, and notice that the moon also stopped. 
  Both the sun and the moon are inside our dome or  firmament in the midst of heaven, over the flat earth. 
  Regarding The Firmament of the heaven or the dome above  us: And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.  - Genesis 1:6 
  And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of  the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let  them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years. - Genesis 1:14. 
  
  Isaiah 13:9 says: Behold, the day of the LORD cometh,  cruel both with wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate: and he shall destroy the sinners thereof out of  it. Isaiah 13:10 says: For the stars of heaven and the constellations  thereof shall not give their light: the sun shall be darkened in his going forth, and the moon shall not cause her light to shine. 
  So it is clear that the sun gives his light  and the moon gives her light and the stars give their light and  the light from the moon is not reflected  from the sun. 
  Which alone spreadeth out the heavens, and treadeth upon the waves of the sea. - Job  9:8 
  Hast thou with him spread out the sky, which is strong, and as a  molten looking glass? - Job 37:18 
  The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork. - Psalms 19:1 
  Of old hast thou laid the foundation of the earth:  and the heavens are the work of thy hands. - Psalms 102:25 
  Who coverest thyself with light as with a garment:  who stretchest out the heavens like a curtain. - Psalms 104:2 
  Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that  formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that  stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself. - Isaiah 44:24 
  I have made the earth, and created man upon it: I,  even my hands, have stretched out the heavens, and all their  host have I commanded. - Isaiah 45:12 
  Mine hand also hath laid the foundation of the earth, and my right hand hath spanned the heavens:  when I call unto them, they stand up together. - Isaiah 48:13 
  He hath made the earth by his power, he hath  established the world by his wisdom, and hath stretched out the  heavens by his discretion. - Jeremiah 10:12 
  The burden of the word of the LORD for Israel,  saith the LORD, which stretcheth forth the heavens, and layeth the foundation of the earth, and formeth the spirit of man within him. -  Zechariah 12:1 
    Now here are some scriptures regarding The Waters  And The Heaven of Heavens Above: And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it  divide the waters from the waters. - Genesis 1:6 
  Behold, the heaven and the heaven of heavens is the  LORD's thy God, the earth also, with all that therein is. -  Deuteronomy 10:14 
  Praise him, ye heavens of heavens, and ye waters that be above the heavens. - Psalms 148:4 
  For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the  word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth  standing out of the water and in the water. - 2 Peter 3:5 
  Scriptures Regarding The Earth Being Immovable: And the sun stood still, and the moon  stayed, until the people had avenged themselves  upon their enemies. Is not this written in the book of  Jasher? So the sun stood still in the midst of  heaven, and hasted not to go down about a whole  day. - Joshua 10:13 
  Fear before him, all the earth: the world also shall be stable, that it  be not moved. - 1 Chronicles 16:30 
  The LORD reigneth, he is clothed with majesty; the LORD  is clothed with strength, wherewith he hath girded himself: the world also is established, that  it cannot be moved. - Psalms 93:1 
  Say among the heathen that the LORD  reigneth: the world also shall be established that  it shall not be moved: he shall judge the people righteously.  - Psalms 96:10 
  Who laid the foundations of the earth, that it should not be removed for ever. - Psalms 104:5 
  Behold, I will bring again the shadow of the degrees,  which is gone down in the sun dial of Ahaz, ten degrees backward. So the sun returned ten degrees, by which degrees it was gone down. - Isaiah 38:8 
  Scriptures Regarding The Flat Earth: And upon Elam will I bring the four winds from the four  quarters of heaven, and will scatter them toward all those winds; and there shall be no nation whither the outcasts of  Elam shall not come. - Jeremiah 49:36 
  Also, thou son of man, thus saith the Lord GOD unto  the land of Israel; An end, the end is come upon the four corners of the land. - Ezekiel 7:2 
  The tree grew, and was strong, and the height  thereof reached unto heaven, and the sight thereof to the end of all the earth. - Daniel 4:11 
  It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and  the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out  as a tent to dwell in. - Isaiah 40:22 
  Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high  mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them. - Matthew 4:8 
  And saw heaven opened, and a certain vessel  descending upon him, as it had been a great sheet knit at the four corners, and let down to the earth. - Acts 10:11 
  I was in the city of Joppa praying: and in a trance  I saw a vision, A certain vessel descend, as it had been a great  sheet, let down from heaven by four corners;  and it came even to me. - Acts 11:5 
  And after these things I saw four angels  standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth,  that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the  sea, nor on any tree. - Revelation  7:1 
  And shall go out to deceive the nations  which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to  battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea. - Revelation 20:8 
  There are no scriptures that teach that the earth  is a round spinning ball orbiting the sun? 
  Also, the verses which speak about the "four corners"  of the earth only makes sense in respect to the flat earth. If the earth were a ball there wouldn't be one corner,  let alone four. 
  Notice that the sun and moon are inside the Dome or  Firmament of the Earth and also the stars are attached to the dome or firmament. 
  In Genesis 1:6: “And God said, ‘Let there be an  expanse in the midst of the waters, and let it separate the waters from the waters’” (ESV). The Hebrew word for “expanse” is “raqiya.” It  literally means a firmament or a visible arch in the  sky. The NIV translates the word there as “vault.” Jamieson-Fausset-Brown Bible Commentary adds “firmament—an expanse—a beating out as a plate of  metal..” 
  There are more references for this. In Job 37:18 it  reads, “Can you, like him, spread out the skies, hard as a cast  metal mirror?” The Hebrew word for “spread out” is from  the Hebrew word “raqa,” which is the Hebrew root for  “raqiya” that was used in Genesis. It literally means to “pound the earth, by analogy to expand (by  hammering), by implication it means to overlay (with thin sheets of metal). Jamieson-Fausset-Brown  Bible Commentary says it means a “molten looking  glass—image of the bright smiling sky. Mirrors were then formed of molten polished metal,  not glass.” 
  In Amos 9:6: “It is he that buildeth his stories in  the heaven, and hath founded his troop in the earth; he that calleth for the waters of the sea, and poureth them  out upon the face of the earth: The LORD is his name” (KJV), however.  The ESV renders the verse this way: “who builds his upper chambers in the heavens and founds his vault upon the earth; who calls for the waters of the sea and pours  them out upon the surface of the earth— the LORD is his name.” 
  The Hebrew word translated as "vault" is ‘aguddah’ whose verb form means to "bind, fit, or  construct." Commenting on this verse, Richard S. Cripps states that "here it seems that the 'heavens' are 'bound' or  fitted into a solid vault, the ends of which are upon the earth." 
  Some evangelicals claim that the Bible contains at  least three references to a spherical earth (Is.40:22; Job 22:14;  Prov. 8:27). The Hebrew word hug used here cannot be translated as sphere  (which is rendered by a different word), but must again be  interpreted as a solid vault overarching the  earth. The Anchor Bible translation of Is. 40:22: "God sits upon the dome of the earth." Job 22:14 says that God "walks on the vault (hug) of heaven," again suggesting something solid. Hug  can also refer to the circular perimeter of the  sky-dome: "He drew a circle (hug) on the face of the deep...and made firm the skies above" (Prov. 8:27-28). 
  The question arises, how is there a vault if we can  see out into the night sky? God has placed the "heavens" within the dome. The references used here in the Hebrew referring to  metal simply are referring to the “strength” of the dome,  not necessarily its composition, which certainly could be transparent to allow for the blue sky which  separated the "waters from the waters." 
   
   
    
  
 
   
   
   
   
   
  
  
           From: "[email protected] [EVGRAY]" <[email protected]>
 To: [email protected] 
 Sent: Wednesday, 27 December 2017, 13:15
 Subject: [EVGRAY] Some bible answers that may CLEAR  some minds here ///
  
        https://answersingenesis.org/astronomy/the-universe-confirms-the-bible/
 
 
 Enjoy the reading ..
 
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    On Sunday, December 31, 2017, 9:26:26 PM PST, george gray [email protected] [EVGRAY] <[email protected]> wrote:  
 
     

Mick,
Getting something running on free energy will get you killed. I was warned off in 1965 and myself and my wife and four kids would be killed.
13 people have already been killed in this regard.
It seems safe to talk about something up to 90% working but if you go to show 100% you are dead.
My view is to open the eyes of all the people about the flat earth and the whole world of mankind will rise up against those enslaving us.
George


      From: "Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY]" <[email protected]>
 To: [email protected] 
 Sent: Monday, 1 January 2018, 1:50
 Subject: Re: [EVGRAY] Some bible answers that may CLEAR some minds here ///
  
     Ok George, I understand your point, but we are all already "their" slaves because we pay taxes by force which finance evil shit and evil people.  In the US over 50% of the population derives income from the government who produce nothing so easy to see it's a ponzy scheme as it's unsustainable. Every evening on the news they espouse the drivel right from Marx which states victim hood and entitlement, he and Engels used different words such as proletariat and bourgeois. In one part of South America where people are proud to have a job and go to work it's becoming the exact opposite in the US where they desire to kill off the middle class.  I just had to fill out papers for residency and one line inquired Male- Female- Undecided so this drivel is spreading worldwide.
 
  After the engineered crash in 2007-8 they did not subtract the destroyed debt from the national debt but rebooted the financial system and left the slave numbers in place.  This is why in 2006 they stopped printing the M3 statistic from the central bank so they could reboot and use the old numbers.
  If 911 which is an obvious bullshit sled ride will not get past peoples brain barrier the flat earth is like convincing someone to push lead ingots up Everest. You want to be this agent of change which is a noble goal as one is either part of the solution or problem then I would suggest building an RV or something else over unity measurable 3d solid in front of ones face so you can prove your point rather than using outside claims, it will sink in better.  Same as your dietary cures can be proven on the spot when ones body heals itself.
  If you think Bastille day will be repeated, they already took your guns down there, good luck with that.  One of the reasons they will not let the people use the aetheric energies is they can make very dangerous weapons.  One guy with a backpack can shut down a whole division of modern electronic warfare devices.  So this is a second good use of this information to replicate and determine how to make use of so one can defend oneself from the big wipe if it comes by way of the military.  They are hoping it comes naturally so they can hide underground when earth gets rebooted.  If not, once the androids come online and can replace any human job then the artificial wipe begins. Ask yourself this question, using cell towers can one broadcast a carrier that sterilizes the population, what vector will be used for the big wipe.  Doesn't take much to do in a city, just cutoff the banking and in a week or two people will form into mad max tribes as most have been conditioned by the imaginary money so much they forgot how to interact and barter with one another. 
  One long generation of no reproduction can do it also.  
  So we either get this free energy off the ground or we are all cannon fodder for the petrodollar pharmanazis.  I think the flat earth theories waste a lot of time of people attempting to move towards a free energy economy so are more on the problem side than solution side.  If you are distracting people from this goal it does not matter if you are right or not, think about it.
  
 On 12/31/2017 12:50 AM, george gray [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
  
     Mick, 
  If someone teaches that 2+2 = 5 and I find out that it only = 4, then I want to set the record straight.
  
  Ask yourself, why would generations of scientists lie to everybody? Well those in the know, who are 33rd degree Masons and Jews, are in a conspiracy league against God. They lie about this Bible and gospel related subject. 
   The ball earth is a foundation for evolution and the Big Bang theory and this completely gets rid of God, the Creator. 
  The world is run by Satan the father of the lie, and his satanic elite, and their primary goal is to discredit and hide God, making us believe He doesn't exist and then to completely enslave mankind.
  
  Without the ball earth lie, all of Satan's and his elite's deceptions are exposed and blown out of the water so to speak.
  
  People are being herded along by the NWO to the point of no return, just as it was in Hitler's day, and if we don't wake people up now, it will suddenly be too late.
  
  They plan to kill more than 7 billion people and keep 500 million dumbed-down people as their slaves.
  
  Exposing the flat earth and the non moon landing and 9/11, and many other fake things is a way of waking people up and then we the people will have the power and the elite will be trying to find somewhere to hide.
  
  The French revolution comes to mind.
  
  Happy New Year mate!
  
  George 
 
        From: "Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY]" <[email protected]>
 To: [email protected] 
 Sent: Saturday, 30 December 2017, 10:48
 Subject: Re: [EVGRAY] Some bible answers that may CLEAR some minds here ///
  
          Hi George, Quite the response, some good research.  Have not heard of the book of Jasher for a long time.
  Someone said never talk politics or religion if one desires to keep ones friends.  
 
 Can't say I abide by that as coming from the sensationalist rock music world always enjoy posting a bit of the politically incorrect just for fun and to always make a mockery of things  provoked as sacred by the borg collective.
 
 Since finding out at the highest levels of science and government and justice most everything on the planet is just social engineered petrodollar nazipharma tripe I try to give everyone the benefit  of the doubt.
 
 So I shall inquire once more, after many people decide to agree the earth is flat then what?
 
 Is this just to upset the apple cart or is there a long term plan or goal or agenda?
 
 
 
 
 
  On 12/29/2017 6:13 PM, george gray [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
  
     Hector, 
  Thanks for your link to a religious point of view  of the earth. 
  Let the Bible tell you the real story, read the texts a  few times if necessary until you understand the meaning. Forget your previous knowledge, and think  on these scriptures and ask yourself: What is the Bible really showing me  concerning the nature of the heavens, the  earth, the sun, moon and stars? What is the Bible telling me? 
  "It is he who sits above the circle of the earth, and its inhabitants are like  grasshoppers; who stretches out the heavens like a curtain,  and spreads them like a tent to dwell in" Is. 40:22 
  We all know that a circle is not a ball. In fact, the Hebrew word used in this verse is  "khoog" (pronounced chug). The word literally  means, circle, circuit, and  compass. 
  In all of these words, none of them bring up a picture  of a ball. Furthermore if the earth were a ball, and God wished to communicate that here, then it would have  required using the Hebrew word "dure" (pronounced dur).  The Hebrew definition for dure is, a circle, pile,  or ball. 
  If the shape of the earth was intended to be  conveyed as a "ball" then the Hebrew word "dure" would have been  the word used as found in Isaiah 22:18, "He will surely violently turn and toss thee like a  BALL into a large country: there shalt thou die, and there the chariots of thy glory shall be the  shame of thy lord's house." 
  It wasn't used there, instead the Hebrew  word "khoog." was used. The flat earth depictions are exactly that, of a circle not a  ball. 
  
 
  
  Another interesting example from Scripture is  found in Joshua 10 where God caused the "sun to stand still." 
  "And the sun stood still, and the moon  stopped, until the nation took vengeance on their  enemies. Is this not written in the Book of Jashar? The sun stopped in the midst of heaven  and did not hurry to set for about a whole day." - Joshua 10:13 
  If the sun is the centre of the universe and the earth  is orbiting around it, then for this event to occur, it would have to have been the earth standing still, not the  sun. However, if the earth is flat and the sun and moon rotate  inside the firmament or dome above us, it would  make perfect sense for the sun to stand still in order to prolong the  day here, and notice that the moon also stopped. 
  Both the sun and the moon are inside our dome or  firmament in the midst of heaven, over the flat earth. 
  Regarding The Firmament of the heaven or the dome above  us: And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.  - Genesis 1:6 
  And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of  the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let  them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years. - Genesis 1:14. 
  
  Isaiah 13:9 says: Behold, the day of the LORD cometh,  cruel both with wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate: and he shall destroy the sinners thereof out of  it. Isaiah 13:10 says: For the stars of heaven and the constellations  thereof shall not give their light: the sun shall be darkened in his going forth, and the moon shall not cause her light to shine. 
  So it is clear that the sun gives his light  and the moon gives her light and the stars give their light and  the light from the moon is not reflected  from the sun. 
  Which alone spreadeth out the heavens, and treadeth upon the waves of the sea. - Job  9:8 
  Hast thou with him spread out the sky, which is strong, and as a  molten looking glass? - Job 37:18 
  The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork. - Psalms 19:1 
  Of old hast thou laid the foundation of the earth:  and the heavens are the work of thy hands. - Psalms 102:25 
  Who coverest thyself with light as with a garment:  who stretchest out the heavens like a curtain. - Psalms 104:2 
  Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that  formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that  stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself. - Isaiah 44:24 
  I have made the earth, and created man upon it: I,  even my hands, have stretched out the heavens, and all their  host have I commanded. - Isaiah 45:12 
  Mine hand also hath laid the foundation of the earth, and my right hand hath spanned the heavens:  when I call unto them, they stand up together. - Isaiah 48:13 
  He hath made the earth by his power, he hath  established the world by his wisdom, and hath stretched out the  heavens by his discretion. - Jeremiah 10:12 
  The burden of the word of the LORD for Israel,  saith the LORD, which stretcheth forth the heavens, and layeth the foundation of the earth, and formeth the spirit of man within him. -  Zechariah 12:1 
    Now here are some scriptures regarding The Waters  And The Heaven of Heavens Above: And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it  divide the waters from the waters. - Genesis 1:6 
  Behold, the heaven and the heaven of heavens is the  LORD's thy God, the earth also, with all that therein is. -  Deuteronomy 10:14 
  Praise him, ye heavens of heavens, and ye waters that be above the heavens. - Psalms 148:4 
  For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the  word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth  standing out of the water and in the water. - 2 Peter 3:5 
  Scriptures Regarding The Earth Being Immovable: And the sun stood still, and the moon  stayed, until the people had avenged themselves  upon their enemies. Is not this written in the book of  Jasher? So the sun stood still in the midst of  heaven, and hasted not to go down about a whole  day. - Joshua 10:13 
  Fear before him, all the earth: the world also shall be stable, that it  be not moved. - 1 Chronicles 16:30 
  The LORD reigneth, he is clothed with majesty; the LORD  is clothed with strength, wherewith he hath girded himself: the world also is established, that  it cannot be moved. - Psalms 93:1 
  Say among the heathen that the LORD  reigneth: the world also shall be established that  it shall not be moved: he shall judge the people righteously.  - Psalms 96:10 
  Who laid the foundations of the earth, that it should not be removed for ever. - Psalms 104:5 
  Behold, I will bring again the shadow of the degrees,  which is gone down in the sun dial of Ahaz, ten degrees backward. So the sun returned ten degrees, by which degrees it was gone down. - Isaiah 38:8 
  Scriptures Regarding The Flat Earth: And upon Elam will I bring the four winds from the four  quarters of heaven, and will scatter them toward all those winds; and there shall be no nation whither the outcasts of  Elam shall not come. - Jeremiah 49:36 
  Also, thou son of man, thus saith the Lord GOD unto  the land of Israel; An end, the end is come upon the four corners of the land. - Ezekiel 7:2 
  The tree grew, and was strong, and the height  thereof reached unto heaven, and the sight thereof to the end of all the earth. - Daniel 4:11 
  It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and  the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out  as a tent to dwell in. - Isaiah 40:22 
  Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high  mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them. - Matthew 4:8 
  And saw heaven opened, and a certain vessel  descending upon him, as it had been a great sheet knit at the four corners, and let down to the earth. - Acts 10:11 
  I was in the city of Joppa praying: and in a trance  I saw a vision, A certain vessel descend, as it had been a great  sheet, let down from heaven by four corners;  and it came even to me. - Acts 11:5 
  And after these things I saw four angels  standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth,  that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the  sea, nor on any tree. - Revelation  7:1 
  And shall go out to deceive the nations  which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to  battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea. - Revelation 20:8 
  There are no scriptures that teach that the earth  is a round spinning ball orbiting the sun? 
  Also, the verses which speak about the "four corners"  of the earth only makes sense in respect to the flat earth. If the earth were a ball there wouldn't be one corner,  let alone four. 
  Notice that the sun and moon are inside the Dome or  Firmament of the Earth and also the stars are attached to the dome or firmament. 
  In Genesis 1:6: “And God said, ‘Let there be an  expanse in the midst of the waters, and let it separate the waters from the waters’” (ESV). The Hebrew word for “expanse” is “raqiya.” It  literally means a firmament or a visible arch in the  sky. The NIV translates the word there as “vault.” Jamieson-Fausset-Brown Bible Commentary adds “firmament—an expanse—a beating out as a plate of  metal..” 
  There are more references for this. In Job 37:18 it  reads, “Can you, like him, spread out the skies, hard as a cast  metal mirror?” The Hebrew word for “spread out” is from  the Hebrew word “raqa,” which is the Hebrew root for  “raqiya” that was used in Genesis. It literally means to “pound the earth, by analogy to expand (by  hammering), by implication it means to overlay (with thin sheets of metal). Jamieson-Fausset-Brown  Bible Commentary says it means a “molten looking  glass—image of the bright smiling sky. Mirrors were then formed of molten polished metal,  not glass.” 
  In Amos 9:6: “It is he that buildeth his stories in  the heaven, and hath founded his troop in the earth; he that calleth for the waters of the sea, and poureth them  out upon the face of the earth: The LORD is his name” (KJV), however.  The ESV renders the verse this way: “who builds his upper chambers in the heavens and founds his vault upon the earth; who calls for the waters of the sea and pours  them out upon the surface of the earth— the LORD is his name.” 
  The Hebrew word translated as "vault" is ‘aguddah’ whose verb form means to "bind, fit, or  construct." Commenting on this verse, Richard S. Cripps states that "here it seems that the 'heavens' are 'bound' or  fitted into a solid vault, the ends of which are upon the earth." 
  Some evangelicals claim that the Bible contains at  least three references to a spherical earth (Is.40:22; Job 22:14;  Prov. 8:27). The Hebrew word hug used here cannot be translated as sphere  (which is rendered by a different word), but must again be  interpreted as a solid vault overarching the  earth. The Anchor Bible translation of Is. 40:22: "God sits upon the dome of the earth." Job 22:14 says that God "walks on the vault (hug) of heaven," again suggesting something solid. Hug  can also refer to the circular perimeter of the  sky-dome: "He drew a circle (hug) on the face of the deep...and made firm the skies above" (Prov. 8:27-28). 
  The question arises, how is there a vault if we can  see out into the night sky? God has placed the "heavens" within the dome.. The references used here in the Hebrew referring to  metal simply are referring to the “strength” of the dome,  not necessarily its composition, which certainly could be transparent to allow for the blue sky which  separated the "waters from the waters." 
   
   
    
  
 
   
   
   
   
   
  
  
           From: "[email protected] [EVGRAY]" <[email protected]>
 To: [email protected] 
 Sent: Wednesday, 27 December 2017, 13:15
 Subject: [EVGRAY] Some bible answers that may CLEAR  some minds here ///
  
        https://answersingenesis.org/astronomy/the-universe-confirms-the-bible/
 
 
 Enjoy the reading ..
 
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James,
Yes mate, you are right about the different times referred to in the Bible.
As for the creative days the Bible doesn't specify how long they were.  Yet all six of them have ended, it being said with respect to the sixth day (as in the case of each of the preceding five days): "And there came to be evening and there came to be morning, a sixth day." Gen. 1:31.
However, this statement is not made regarding the seventh day, on which God proceeded to rest from His creative works, indicating that it continued. Gen. 2: 1-3.
Also, more than 4,000 after the seventh day or God's rest day commenced, the Apostle Paul indicated that it was still in progress.
At Hebrews 4:1-11, he referred to the earlier words of King David and also urged: "Let us therefore do our utmost to enter into that rest."  By the apostle's time, the seventh day had been continuing for thousands of years and had not yet ended. (And we have to enter into that rest)

The thousand-year reign of Jesus Christ who is Scripturally identified as "Lord of the sabbath". Matt: 12:8, is evidently part of the great sabbath, God's rest day. Rev 20 1-6. This would indicate the passing of thousands of years from the commencement of God's rest day to its end.
The week of days set forth at Genesis 1:3 to 2:3, the last of which is a sabbath, seems to parallel the week into which the Israelites divided their time, observing a sabbath on the seventh day thereof, in keeping with the divine will.
As the week of the Israelites was composed of seven individual days of equal length, it may be reasonably concluded that each of the six creative day periods or days was the same length as the seventh day or God's great rest day. Ex. 20: 8-11.
That a day can be longer than twenty-four hours is indicated in Genesis 2:4, which speaks, in part of the "the day that God made earth and heaven."  Also indicative of this is  the Apostle Peter's inspired observation that "one day is with god as a thousand years and a thousand years as one day." 2 Peter 3:8. (That's why Adam had to die before reaching 1,000 years of age, because God had told him that he would die on the day he was disobedient, but he lived to 930 years of age before he died).

Ascribing not just twenty-four hours but a longer period of time, thousands of years, to each of the creative days better harmonizes with the geological evidence found in the earth itself.
So we are really still in God's 7,000 year long rest day and all things must be brought back into harmony with God before His rest day is finished, and Christ must rule for 1,000 years before God's rest day is finished.  So Christ's reign must be close to starting and God is going to bring to ruin those ruining the earth.
George

      From: "James Glinski [email protected] [EVGRAY]" <[email protected]>
 To: [email protected] 
 Sent: Monday, 1 January 2018, 5:13
 Subject: Re: [EVGRAY] Some bible answers that may CLEAR some minds here ///
   
    George the problem is that people don't work from the original language .when you can get there it all fits. Out of four possible ways life could have came into bring evolution is eluded to but not in mans case .all of the thirteen layers  in the book of Genesis match exactly what's found in nature .and the more we know the tighter it gets .there's like 35 events found on earth and 17 in space. That are impossible but there there .the anti God people scientist when they see this work freek out and believe .they know the numbers .the only trouble with this is you have to be a physics professor to under stand it it's so impossible that it had to be created . like the odds of standing a ball point pin on end and get it to stand up 50,000 times in a row ! There's a point that the degree of difficulty is so great that it moves into the realm of the miraculous and that's by scientific standards. The only real argument is how long it took .if you remove that it fits and there's no problem .and when you know that a day in Hebrew is a Yom and that just means a bracketed block of time .like a day ..a year ...and epoch.. Or the beginning and the end .it could be either one . but God's in it all !! Read Doctor Ross's book ,...the finger prints of God ..he's an Astro physics scientists . and there is no doubt only ignorance left to deal with . he sits on a board of six other scientists that review all new scientific finds on the planet every year . ask him about the flat earth theory if you can reach him .he's hard to get a hold of . a letter might work .On Dec 31, 2017 8:50 AM, "Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY]" <[email protected]> wrote:

      Ok George, I understand your point, but we are all already "their" slaves because we pay taxes by force which finance evil shit and evil people.  In the US over 50% of the population derives income from the government who produce nothing so easy to see it's a ponzy scheme as it's unsustainable. Every evening on the news they espouse the drivel right from Marx which states victim hood and entitlement, he and Engels used different words such as proletariat and bourgeois. In one part of South America where people are proud to have a job and go to work it's becoming the exact opposite in the US where they desire to kill off the middle class.  I just had to fill out papers for residency and one line inquired Male- Female- Undecided so this drivel is spreading worldwide.
 
  After the engineered crash in 2007-8 they did not subtract the destroyed debt from the national debt but rebooted the financial system and left the slave numbers in place.  This is why in 2006 they stopped printing the M3 statistic from the central bank so they could reboot and use the old numbers.
  If 911 which is an obvious bullshit sled ride will not get past peoples brain barrier the flat earth is like convincing someone to push lead ingots up Everest. You want to be this agent of change which is a noble goal as one is either part of the solution or problem then I would suggest building an RV or something else over unity measurable 3d solid in front of ones face so you can prove your point rather than using outside claims, it will sink in better.  Same as your dietary cures can be proven on the spot when ones body heals itself.
  If you think Bastille day will be repeated, they already took your guns down there, good luck with that.  One of the reasons they will not let the people use the aetheric energies is they can make very dangerous weapons.  One guy with a backpack can shut down a whole division of modern electronic warfare devices.  So this is a second good use of this information to replicate and determine how to make use of so one can defend oneself from the big wipe if it comes by way of the military.  They are hoping it comes naturally so they can hide underground when earth gets rebooted.  If not, once the androids come online and can replace any human job then the artificial wipe begins. Ask yourself this question, using cell towers can one broadcast a carrier that sterilizes the population, what vector will be used for the big wipe.  Doesn't take much to do in a city, just cutoff the banking and in a week or two people will form into mad max tribes as most have been conditioned by the imaginary money so much they forgot how to interact and barter with one another. 
  One long generation of no reproduction can do it also.  
  So we either get this free energy off the ground or we are all cannon fodder for the petrodollar pharmanazis.  I think the flat earth theories waste a lot of time of people attempting to move towards a free energy economy so are more on the problem side than solution side.  If you are distracting people from this goal it does not matter if you are right or not, think about it.
  
 On 12/31/2017 12:50 AM, george gray [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
  
     Mick, 
  If someone teaches that 2+2 = 5 and I find out that it only = 4, then I want to set the record straight.
  
  Ask yourself, why would generations of scientists lie to everybody? Well those in the know, who are 33rd degree Masons and Jews, are in a conspiracy league against God. They lie about this Bible and gospel related subject. 
   The ball earth is a foundation for evolution and the Big Bang theory and this completely gets rid of God, the Creator. 
  The world is run by Satan the father of the lie, and his satanic elite, and their primary goal is to discredit and hide God, making us believe He doesn't exist and then to completely enslave mankind.
  
  Without the ball earth lie, all of Satan's and his elite's deceptions are exposed and blown out of the water so to speak.
  
  People are being herded along by the NWO to the point of no return, just as it was in Hitler's day, and if we don't wake people up now, it will suddenly be too late.
  
  They plan to kill more than 7 billion people and keep 500 million dumbed-down people as their slaves.
  
  Exposing the flat earth and the non moon landing and 9/11, and many other fake things is a way of waking people up and then we the people will have the power and the elite will be trying to find somewhere to hide.
  
  The French revolution comes to mind.
  
  Happy New Year mate!
  
  George 
 
        From: "Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY]" <[email protected]>
 To: [email protected] 
 Sent: Saturday, 30 December 2017, 10:48
 Subject: Re: [EVGRAY] Some bible answers that may CLEAR some minds here ///
  
          Hi George, Quite the response, some good research.  Have not heard of the book of Jasher for a long time.
  Someone said never talk politics or religion if one desires to keep ones friends.  
 
 Can't say I abide by that as coming from the sensationalist rock music world always enjoy posting a bit of the politically incorrect just for fun and to always make a mockery of things  provoked as sacred by the borg collective.
 
 Since finding out at the highest levels of science and government and justice most everything on the planet is just social engineered petrodollar nazipharma tripe I try to give everyone the benefit  of the doubt.
 
 So I shall inquire once more, after many people decide to agree the earth is flat then what?
 
 Is this just to upset the apple cart or is there a long term plan or goal or agenda?
 
 
 
 
 
  On 12/29/2017 6:13 PM, george gray [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
  
     Hector, 
  Thanks for your link to a religious point of view  of the earth. 
  Let the Bible tell you the real story, read the texts a  few times if necessary until you understand the meaning. Forget your previous knowledge, and think  on these scriptures and ask yourself: What is the Bible really showing me  concerning the nature of the heavens, the  earth, the sun, moon and stars? What is the Bible telling me? 
  "It is he who sits above the circle of the earth, and its inhabitants are like  grasshoppers; who stretches out the heavens like a curtain,  and spreads them like a tent to dwell in" Is. 40:22 
  We all know that a circle is not a ball. In fact, the Hebrew word used in this verse is  "khoog" (pronounced chug). The word literally  means, circle, circuit, and  compass. 
  In all of these words, none of them bring up a picture  of a ball. Furthermore if the earth were a ball, and God wished to communicate that here, then it would have  required using the Hebrew word "dure" (pronounced dur).  The Hebrew definition for dure is, a circle, pile,  or ball. 
  If the shape of the earth was intended to be  conveyed as a "ball" then the Hebrew word "dure" would have been  the word used as found in Isaiah 22:18, "He will surely violently turn and toss thee like a  BALL into a large country: there shalt thou die, and there the chariots of thy glory shall be the  shame of thy lord's house." 
  It wasn't used there, instead the Hebrew  word "khoog." was used. The flat earth depictions are exactly that, of a circle not a  ball. 
  
 
  
  Another interesting example from Scripture is found in Joshua 10 where God caused the "sun to stand still." 
  "And the sun stood still, and the moon stopped, until the nation took vengeance on their enemies. Is this not written in the Book of Jashar? The sun stopped in the midst of heaven and did not hurry to set for about a whole day." - Joshua 10:13 
  If the sun is the centre of the universe and the earth is orbiting around it, then for this event to occur, it would have to  have been the earth standing still, not the sun. However, if the earth is flat and the sun and moon rotate inside the firmament or dome above us, it would make perfect sense for the sun to stand still in order to prolong the day here, and notice that the moon also stopped. 
  Both the sun and the moon are inside our dome or firmament in the midst of heaven, over the flat earth. 
  Regarding The Firmament of the heaven or the dome above us: And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters,  and let it divide the waters from the waters. - Genesis 1:6 
  And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years.  - Genesis 1:14. 
  
  Isaiah 13:9 says: Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, cruel both with wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate: and  he shall destroy the sinners thereof out of it. Isaiah 13:10 says: For the stars of heaven and the constellations thereof shall not give their light: the sun shall be darkened in  his going forth, and the moon shall not cause her light to shine. 
  So it is clear that the sun gives his light and the moon gives her light and the stars give their light and  the light from the moon is not reflected from the sun. 
  Which alone spreadeth out the heavens, and treadeth upon the waves of the sea. - Job 9:8 
  Hast thou with him spread out the sky, which is strong, and as a molten looking glass? - Job 37:18 
  The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork. - Psalms 19:1 
  Of old hast thou laid the foundation of the earth: and the heavens are the work of thy hands. - Psalms 102:25 
  Who coverest thyself with light as with a garment: who stretchest out the heavens like a curtain. - Psalms 104:2 
  Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that  stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself. - Isaiah 44:24 
  I have made the earth, and created man upon it: I, even my hands, have stretched out the heavens, and all their  host have I commanded. - Isaiah 45:12 
  Mine hand also hath laid the foundation of the earth, and my right hand hath spanned the heavens: when I call unto them, they stand up together. - Isaiah 48:13 
  He hath made the earth by his power, he hath established the world by his wisdom, and hath stretched out the  heavens by his discretion. - Jeremiah 10:12 
  The burden of the word of the LORD for Israel, saith the LORD, which stretcheth forth the heavens, and layeth the foundation of the earth, and formeth the spirit of man within him. - Zechariah 12:1 
    Now here are some scriptures regarding The Waters And The Heaven of Heavens Above: And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters. - Genesis 1:6 
  Behold, the heaven and the heaven of heavens is the LORD's thy God, the earth also, with all that therein is. -  Deuteronomy 10:14 
  Praise him, ye heavens of heavens, and ye waters that be above the heavens. - Psalms 148:4 
  For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water. - 2 Peter 3:5 
  Scriptures Regarding The Earth Being Immovable: And the sun stood still, and the moon stayed, until the people had avenged themselves upon their enemies. Is not this written in the book of  Jasher? So the sun stood still in the midst of heaven, and hasted not to go down about a whole day. - Joshua 10:13 
  Fear before him, all the earth: the world also shall be stable, that it be not moved. - 1 Chronicles 16:30 
  The LORD reigneth, he is clothed with majesty; the LORD is clothed with strength, wherewith he hath girded himself: the world also is established, that it cannot be moved. - Psalms 93:1 
  Say among the heathen that the LORD reigneth: the world also shall be established that it shall not be moved: he shall judge the people righteously. - Psalms 96:10 
  Who laid the foundations of the earth, that it should not be removed for ever. - Psalms 104:5 
  Behold, I will bring again the shadow of the degrees, which is gone down in the sun dial of Ahaz, ten degrees backward. So  the sun returned ten degrees, by which degrees it was gone down. - Isaiah 38:8 
  Scriptures Regarding The Flat Earth: And upon Elam will I bring the four winds from the four quarters of heaven, and will scatter them toward all those winds; and  there shall be no nation whither the outcasts of Elam shall not come. - Jeremiah 49:36 
  Also, thou son of man, thus saith the Lord GOD unto the land of Israel; An end, the end is come upon the four corners of  the land. - Ezekiel 7:2 
  The tree grew, and was strong, and the height thereof reached unto heaven, and the sight thereof to the end of  all the earth. - Daniel 4:11 
  It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the  heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in. - Isaiah 40:22 
  Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory  of them. - Matthew 4:8 
  And saw heaven opened, and a certain vessel descending upon him, as it had been a great sheet knit at the four corners, and let down to the earth. - Acts 10:11 
  I was in the city of Joppa praying: and in a trance I saw a vision, A certain vessel descend, as it had been a great  sheet, let down from heaven by four corners; and it came even to me. - Acts 11:5 
  And after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the  sea, nor on any tree. - Revelation 7:1 
  And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea. -  Revelation 20:8 
  There are no scriptures that teach that the earth is a round spinning ball orbiting the sun? 
  Also, the verses which speak about the "four corners" of the earth only makes sense in respect to the flat earth. If the earth  were a ball there wouldn't be one corner, let alone four. 
  Notice that the sun and moon are inside the Dome or Firmament of the Earth and also the stars are attached to the dome 

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Hi George
 If the world happens to be flat, and everything they have been telling everyone for 100s of years is nothing but a lie and gigantic hoax, and you are the one clever enough and brave enough to reveal this to the world, and to convince the world too, then for sure you will be deader than a doorknob overnight.
 Personally I don't care if the world is flat triangular a hologram or a sphere as everything they teach in fucking schools is you is a big fucking lie anyways.
 I know people who have made looping systems some of them still alive too so it is not set in stone you will get the axe with anything free energy....if you keep it secret then for sure there is good reason to get yourself killed....open source it now no reason.
 ciaoKone

Looped RV info is fully public , all people need is to READ and experiment .

to get it ! 

Brian prater Info was posted here too .......

You people are distracted by the first fly by bird shit dropped here ...

You all have a FEW weeks to prepare . shit will hit the fan hARD ,

its not a question of WHEREVER , but when ...


(H)

The world is a huge dick head shape ! and its pee hole looks like a trani cunt! 

now are you all happy ? 

(H)

My son was murdered in my own home by Kyle & his mercenary friends , then they brag about it in the shooting range , they were executed on the spot , Hillary Clinton signed the Execution order ... her time is overdue , she cant even walk strait ....

She will go to jail for treason .... write it down , or Satan in person will take her away to hell ,,,

All of you can get Free energy now all you have to do is filter the bullshit from reality  , its kilowatts not miliwatts !  RV is the ONLY device with KILOWATT capacity given public along with transverter  & ferroresonance   

so work on it & don't get distracted , fancy names and fame are used to incept  useless shit .....I am reaching my saturation point , will have to stop posting , when shits hits the fan if i can set it up I will be at 27.000 MHZ 11 meters band ... in AM mode . 



 

(H) 


 

---In [email protected], <canowindracd@...> wrote :

 Mick,
 

 Getting something running on free energy will get you killed. I was warned off in 1965 and myself and my wife and four kids would be killed.
 

 13 people have already been killed in this regard.
 

 It seems safe to talk about something up to 90% working but if you go to show 100% you are dead.
 

 My view is to open the eyes of all the people about the flat earth and the whole world of mankind will rise up against those enslaving us.
 

 George

 
 


 From: "Mick mkjekyll@... [EVGRAY]" <[email protected]>
 To: [email protected] 
 Sent: Monday, 1 January 2018, 1:50
 Subject: Re: [EVGRAY] Some bible answers that may CLEAR some minds here ///
 
 
   
 Ok George,
 I understand your point, but we are all already "their" slaves because we pay taxes by force which finance evil shit and evil people.  In the US over 50% of the population derives income from the government who produce nothing so easy to see it's a ponzy scheme as it's unsustainable.
 Every evening on the news they espouse the drivel right from Marx which states victim hood and entitlement, he and Engels used different words such as proletariat and bourgeois. In one part of South America where people are proud to have a job and go to work it's becoming the exact opposite in the US where they desire to kill off the middle class.  I just had to fill out papers for residency and one line inquired Male- Female- Undecided so this drivel is spreading worldwide.
 

 After the engineered crash in 2007-8 they did not subtract the destroyed debt from the national debt but rebooted the financial system and left the slave numbers in place.  This is why in 2006 they stopped printing the M3 statistic from the central bank so they could reboot and use the old numbers.

 If 911 which is an obvious bullshit sled ride will not get past peoples brain barrier the flat earth is like convincing someone to push lead ingots up Everest.
 You want to be this agent of change which is a noble goal as one is either part of the solution or problem then I would suggest building an RV or something else over unity measurable 3d solid in front of ones face so you can prove your point rather than using outside claims, it will sink in better.  Same as your dietary cures can be proven on the spot when ones body heals itself.

 If you think Bastille day will be repeated, they already took your guns down there, good luck with that.  One of the reasons they will not let the people use the aetheric energies is they can make very dangerous weapons.  One guy with a backpack can shut down a whole division of modern electronic warfare devices.  So this is a second good use of this information to replicate and determine how to make use of so one can defend oneself from the big wipe if it comes by way of the military.  They are hoping it comes naturally so they can hide underground when earth gets rebooted.  If not, once the androids come online and can replace any human job then the artificial wipe begins.
 Ask yourself this question, using cell towers can one broadcast a carrier that sterilizes the population, what vector will be used for the big wipe.  Doesn't take much to do in a city, just cutoff the banking and in a week or two people will form into mad max tribes as most have been conditioned by the imaginary money so much they forgot how to interact and barter with one another. 

 One long generation of no reproduction can do it also.  

 So we either get this free energy off the ground or we are all cannon fodder for the petrodollar pharmanazis.  I think the flat earth theories waste a lot of time of people attempting to move towards a free energy economy so are more on the problem side than solution side.  If you are distracting people from this goal it does not matter if you are right or not, think about it.

 
 On 12/31/2017 12:50 AM, george gray canowindracd@... mailto:canowindracd@... [EVGRAY] wrote:

   Mick,
 

 If someone teaches that 2+2 = 5 and I find out that it only = 4, then I want to set the record straight.

 
 
 Ask yourself, why would generations of scientists lie to everybody? Well those in the know, who are 33rd degree Masons and Jews, are in a conspiracy league against God. They lie about this Bible and gospel related subject.
 
 
 The ball earth is a foundation for evolution and the Big Bang theory and this completely gets rid of God, the Creator.
 
 
 The world is run by Satan the father of the lie, and his satanic elite, and their primary goal is to discredit and hide God, making us believe He doesn't exist and then to completely enslave mankind.
 
 
 
 Without the ball earth lie, all of Satan's and his elite's deceptions are exposed and blown out of the water so to speak.
 
 
 
 People are being herded along by the NWO to the point of no return, just as it was in Hitler's day, and if we don't wake people up now, it will suddenly be too late.
 
 
 
 They plan to kill more than 7 billion people and keep 500 million dumbed-down people as their slaves.
 
 
 
 Exposing the flat earth and the non moon landing and 9/11, and many other fake things is a way of waking people up and then we the people will have the power and the elite will be trying to find somewhere to hide.
 
 
 
 The French revolution comes to mind.
 
 
 
 Happy New Year mate!
 
 
 
 George
 
 

 From: "Mick mkjekyll@... mailto:mkjekyll@... [EVGRAY]" <[email protected]> mailto:[email protected]
 To: [email protected] mailto:[email protected] 
 Sent: Saturday, 30 December 2017, 10:48
 Subject: Re: [EVGRAY] Some bible answers that may CLEAR some minds here ///

 
   
 Hi George,
 Quite the response, some good research.  Have not heard of the book of Jasher for a long time.

 Someone said never talk politics or religion if one desires to keep ones friends.  
 
 Can't say I abide by that as coming from the sensationalist rock music world always enjoy posting a bit of the politically incorrect just for fun and to always make a mockery of things provoked as sacred by the borg collective.
 
 Since finding out at the highest levels of science and government and justice most everything on the planet is just social engineered petrodollar nazipharma tripe I try to give everyone the benefit of the doubt.
 
 So I shall inquire once more, after many people decide to agree the earth is flat then what?
 
 Is this just to upset the apple cart or is there a long term plan or goal or agenda?
 
 
 
 
 
 On 12/29/2017 6:13 PM, george gray canowindracd@... mailto:canowindracd@... [EVGRAY] wrote:

   Hector,
 

 Thanks for your link to a religious point of view of the earth.
 
 
 Let the Bible tell you the real story, read the texts a few times if necessary until you understand the
 meaning. Forget your previous knowledge, and think on these scriptures and ask yourself: What is the Bible really showing me concerning the nature of the heavens, the earth, the sun, moon and stars? What is the Bible telling me?
 
 
 "It is he who sits above the circle of the earth, and its inhabitants are like grasshoppers; who stretches out the heavens like a curtain, and spreads them like a tent to dwell in" Is. 40:22
 
 
 We all know that a circle is not a ball. In fact, the Hebrew word used in this verse is "khoog" (pronounced chug). The word literally means, circle, circuit, and compass.
 
 
 In all of these words, none of them bring up a picture of a ball. Furthermore if the earth were a ball, and God wished to communicate that here, then it would have required using the Hebrew word "dure" (pronounced dur). The Hebrew definition for dure is, a circle, pile, or ball.
 
 
 If the shape of the earth was intended to be conveyed as a "ball" then the Hebrew word "dure" would have been the word used as found in Isaiah 22:18, "He will surely violently turn and toss thee like a BALL into a large country: there shalt thou die, and there the chariots of thy glory shall be the shame of thy lord's house."
 
 
 It wasn't used there, instead the Hebrew word "khoog." was used. The flat earth depictions are exactly that, of a circle not a ball.
 

 
 

 

 Another interesting example from Scripture is found in Joshua 10 where God caused the "sun to stand still."
 
 
 "And the sun stood still, and the moon stopped, until the nation took vengeance on their enemies.
 Is this not written in the Book of Jashar? The sun stopped in the midst of heaven and did not hurry to set for about a whole day." - Joshua 10:13
 

 If the sun is the centre of the universe and the earth is orbiting around it, then for this event to occur, it would have to have been the earth standing still, not the sun. However, if the earth is flat and the sun and moon rotate inside the firmament or dome above us, it would make perfect sense for the sun to stand still in order to prolong the day here, and notice that the moon also stopped.
 

 Both the sun and the moon are inside our dome or firmament in the midst of heaven, over the flat earth.
 

 Regarding The Firmament of the heaven or the dome above us: And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters. - Genesis 1:6
 
 
 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years. - Genesis 1:14. 
 
 
 
 Isaiah 13:9 says: Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, cruel both with wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate: and he shall destroy the sinners thereof out of it. Isaiah 13:10 says: For the stars of heaven and the constellations thereof shall not give their light: the sun shall be darkened in his going forth, and the moon shall not cause her light to shine.
 
 
 So it is clear that the sun gives his light and the moon gives her light and the stars give their light and the light from the moon is not reflected from the sun.
 
 
 Which alone spreadeth out the heavens, and treadeth upon the waves of the sea. - Job 9:8
 
 
 Hast thou with him spread out the sky, which is strong, and as a molten looking glass? - Job 37:18
 
 
 The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork. - Psalms 19:1
 
 
 Of old hast thou laid the foundation of the earth: and the heavens are the work of thy hands. - Psalms 102:25
 
 
 Who coverest thyself with light as with a garment: who stretchest out the heavens like a curtain. - Psalms 104:2
 
 
 Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself. - Isaiah 44:24
 
 
 I have made the earth, and created man upon it: I, even my hands, have stretched out the heavens, and all their host have I commanded. - Isaiah 45:12
 
 
 Mine hand also hath laid the foundation of the earth, and my right hand hath spanned the heavens: when I call unto them, they stand up together. - Isaiah 48:13
 
 
 He hath made the earth by his power, he hath established the world by his wisdom, and hath stretched out the heavens by his discretion. - Jeremiah 10:12
 
 
 The burden of the word of the LORD for Israel, saith the LORD, which stretcheth forth the heavens, and layeth the foundation of the earth, and formeth the spirit 

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Hi George,

One way to change the world is to stop feeding the parasitic beast and let it dry out: THE COMING REVOLUTION A NEW VIBRATIONAL REALITY: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lr5qIfUZES8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lr5qIfUZES8 (17:22 minutes).

Happy New Year
Ole
 

---In [email protected], <canowindracd@...> wrote :

 Thanks Ole, and Happy New Year mate.
 

 George

 
 


 From: "onielsen@... [EVGRAY]" <[email protected]>
 To: [email protected] 
 Sent: Monday, 1 January 2018, 1:07
 Subject: Re: [EVGRAY] Some bible answers that may CLEAR some minds here ///
 
 
   Hi George,

"If someone teaches that 2+2 = 5 and I find out that it only = 4, then I want to set the record straight."
That's the way it's done when using the scientific method. Always refine and question the results.

"Ask yourself, why would generations of scientists lie to everybody?"
True science wants the truth. When using lies it all becomes complicated. Some branches of science are a full of patches. Instead of using patches a better way is to start all over by using the knowledge acquired until now and make a new theory fit for the observations. A true scientist isn't just following the money but would do science by following the scientific method to seek out truth. It's a pity the financiers don't agree to seek out the truth. But a financier wants to get back the money put into some research project. The truth may prevent such a plan or spoil it for other big investments perhaps made by the same investor. One early example of this is Edison Tesla and J.P. Morgen. The medical health research and food industry have lots of that kind of conflicts.

Nobody seems to be able to prove that the Earth is flat. At least no proof if the proofs are put through the scientific method to see if they are true. If accepting false science we can prove that the Earth is cylinder shaped or cube shaped having flat sides. This requires lots of patches and some observations will have to be discarded. Doing that is not true science.

Regards
Ole

 

---In [email protected], <canowindracd@...> wrote :

 Mick,
 

 If someone teaches that 2+2 = 5 and I find out that it only = 4, then I want to set the record straight.

 

 Ask yourself, why would generations of scientists lie to everybody? Well those in the know, who are 33rd degree Masons and Jews, are in a conspiracy league against God. They lie about this Bible and gospel related subject.
 

 The ball earth is a foundation for evolution and the Big Bang theory and this completely gets rid of God, the Creator.
 

 The world is run by Satan the father of the lie, and his satanic elite, and their primary goal is to discredit and hide God, making us believe He doesn't exist and then to completely enslave mankind.

 

 Without the ball earth lie, all of Satan's and his elite's deceptions are exposed and blown out of the water so to speak.

 

 People are being herded along by the NWO to the point of no return, just as it was in Hitler's day, and if we don't wake people up now, it will suddenly be too late.

 

 They plan to kill more than 7 billion people and keep 500 million dumbed-down people as their slaves.

 

 Exposing the flat earth and the non moon landing and 9/11, and many other fake things is a way of waking people up and then we the people will have the power and the elite will be trying to find somewhere to hide.

 

 The French revolution comes to mind.

 

 Happy New Year mate!

 

 George
 


 From: "Mick mkjekyll@... [EVGRAY]" <[email protected]>
 To: [email protected] 
 Sent: Saturday, 30 December 2017, 10:48
 Subject: Re: [EVGRAY] Some bible answers that may CLEAR some minds here ///

 
   
 Hi George,
 Quite the response, some good research.  Have not heard of the book of Jasher for a long time.

 Someone said never talk politics or religion if one desires to keep ones friends.  
 
 Can't say I abide by that as coming from the sensationalist rock music world always enjoy posting a bit of the politically incorrect just for fun and to always make a mockery of things provoked as sacred by the borg collective.
 
 Since finding out at the highest levels of science and government and justice most everything on the planet is just social engineered petrodollar nazipharma tripe I try to give everyone the benefit of the doubt.
 
 So I shall inquire once more, after many people decide to agree the earth is flat then what?
 
 Is this just to upset the apple cart or is there a long term plan or goal or agenda?
 
 
 
 
 
 On 12/29/2017 6:13 PM, george gray canowindracd@... mailto:canowindracd@... [EVGRAY] wrote:

   Hector,
 

 Thanks for your link to a religious point of view of the earth.
 
 
 Let the Bible tell you the real story, read the texts a few times if necessary until you understand the
 meaning. Forget your previous knowledge, and think on these scriptures and ask yourself: What is the Bible really showing me concerning the nature of the heavens, the earth, the sun, moon and stars? What is the Bible telling me?
 
 
 "It is he who sits above the circle of the earth, and its inhabitants are like grasshoppers; who stretches out the heavens like a curtain, and spreads them like a tent to dwell in" Is. 40:22
 
 
 We all know that a circle is not a ball. In fact, the Hebrew word used in this verse is "khoog" (pronounced chug). The word literally means, circle, circuit, and compass.
 
 
 In all of these words, none of them bring up a picture of a ball. Furthermore if the earth were a ball, and God wished to communicate that here, then it would have required using the Hebrew word "dure" (pronounced dur). The Hebrew definition for dure is, a circle, pile, or ball.
 
 
 If the shape of the earth was intended to be conveyed as a "ball" then the Hebrew word "dure" would have been the word used as found in Isaiah 22:18, "He will surely violently turn and toss thee like a BALL into a large country: there shalt thou die, and there the chariots of thy glory shall be the shame of thy lord's house."
 
 
 It wasn't used there, instead the Hebrew word "khoog." was used. The flat earth depictions are exactly that, of a circle not a ball.
 

 
 

 

 Another interesting example from Scripture is found in Joshua 10 where God caused the "sun to stand still."
 
 
 "And the sun stood still, and the moon stopped, until the nation took vengeance on their enemies.
 Is this not written in the Book of Jashar? The sun stopped in the midst of heaven and did not hurry to set for about a whole day." - Joshua 10:13
 

 If the sun is the centre of the universe and the earth is orbiting around it, then for this event to occur, it would have to have been the earth standing still, not the sun. However, if the earth is flat and the sun and moon rotate inside the firmament or dome above us, it would make perfect sense for the sun to stand still in order to prolong the day here, and notice that the moon also stopped.
 

 Both the sun and the moon are inside our dome or firmament in the midst of heaven, over the flat earth.
 

 Regarding The Firmament of the heaven or the dome above us: And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters. - Genesis 1:6
 
 
 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years. - Genesis 1:14. 
 
 
 
 Isaiah 13:9 says: Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, cruel both with wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate: and he shall destroy the sinners thereof out of it. Isaiah 13:10 says: For the stars of heaven and the constellations thereof shall not give their light: the sun shall be darkened in his going forth, and the moon shall not cause her light to shine.
 
 
 So it is clear that the sun gives his light and the moon gives her light and the stars give their light and the light from the moon is not reflected from the sun.
 
 
 Which alone spreadeth out the heavens, and treadeth upon the waves of the sea. - Job 9:8
 
 
 Hast thou with him spread out the sky, which is strong, and as a molten looking glass? - Job 37:18
 
 
 The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork. - Psalms 19:1
 
 
 Of old hast thou laid the foundation of the earth: and the heavens are the work of thy hands. - Psalms 102:25
 
 
 Who coverest thyself with light as with a garment: who stretchest out the heavens like a curtain. - Psalms 104:2
 
 
 Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself. - Isaiah 44:24
 
 
 I have made the earth, and created man upon it: I, even my hands, have stretched out the heavens, and all their host have I commanded. - Isaiah 45:12
 
 
 Mine hand also hath laid the foundation of the earth, and my right hand hath spanned the heavens: when I call unto them, they stand up together. - Isaiah 48:13
 
 
 He hath made the earth by his power, he hath established the world by his wisdom, and hath stretched out the heavens by his discretion. - Jeremiah 10:12
 
 
 The burden of the word of the LORD for Israel, saith the LORD, which stretcheth forth the heavens, and layeth the foundation of the earth, and formeth the spirit of man within him. - Zechariah 12:1
 
 
 Now here are some scriptures regarding The Waters And The Heaven of Heavens Above:
 And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters. - Genesis 1:6
 
 
 Behold, the heaven and the heaven of heavens is the LORD's thy God, the earth also, with all that therein is. - Deuteronomy 10:14
 
 
 Praise him, ye heavens of heavens, and ye waters that be above the heavens. - Psalms 148:4
 
 
 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water. - 2 Peter 3:5
 

 Scriptures Regarding The Earth Being Immovable:
 And the sun stood still, and the moon stayed, until the people had avenged themselves upon their enemies. Is not this written in the book of Jasher? So the sun stood still in the midst of heaven, and hasted not to go down about a whole day. - Joshua 10:13
 
 
 Fear before him, all the earth: the world also shall be stable, that it be not moved. 
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