Re: [EVGRAY] plasma magnet

On 1/22/2019 6:14 AM, Norman Wootan wrote:
>
> To all on this dialog list, I will attempt to respond to Bart's 
> questions as to defining HEAT and COLD. First I must say that I am a, 
> somewhat amateur researcher sort of like the Good Old Boy Red Neck 
> that has an Oldsmobile Toronado (48 Oldsmobile with mud grip tires on 
> front wheels) on wood blocks in front yard. You just have to address 
> humor with a little humorous feed back. Bart's question is in regard 
> to an age old paradox that was found way back around turn of the 
> Century and was written about in Thermodynamics of Chemistry Text 
> Books. When studying the phase change of water, we know that in a 
> closed system (evaporator/ condenser) with very careful 
> instrumentation (caloriometer) it was found that there was more 
> caloric energy present on the condensation side of the equation which, 
> to this day remains unexplained by the very best scholars.� After 
> studying Tesla's Pyro Ferromagnetic Generator, I wanted to know how 
> the phase change of a material could provide an electrical output. 
> That is how I got into researching the Armstrong Electrostatic 
> Generator that used condensing steam in an insulated discharge nozzle 
> to accumulate a very powerful electrical charge.� It has been very 
> recent research developments that help us understand this phenomenon 
> which has to do with the photon/ virtual photon puzzle.� Digress here. 
> Back in 1995, Jerry Decker, Cheyenne Turner and I attended a 
> Conference down in Austin, TX hosted by Hal Puthoff, EarthTech. A 
> physicists from Austria did a presentation on the very subject that I 
> was researching which was the Paradox over the water phase change 
> phenomenon. As he explained, no one has solved the obvious in-balance 
> in the energy equation.� BTW, during Dr. John Bockris, TA&M 
> presentation on The Lateral Transmutation of Elements in the Cold 
> Fusion Cell (Bockris/ Bass Patent application)� Dr. Puthoff's lab 
> assistant dropped dead in the back of the room due to a burst coronary 
> artery.� See: 
> https://www.elsevier.com/books/chemical-thermodynamics/rouquerol/978-0-08-021366-8
>
> https://www.researchgate.net/publication/295087583_Chemical_Thermodynamics 
> Very important read.
>
> See attachment for full PDF.�� If you don't understand the information 
> in this PDF, you need to take your ball and bat home cause you are 
> trying to play in the wrong ballpark.� ( pleae download PDF, 16mb, 
> too, large for YAHOO)
>
> http://www.businessdictionary.com/definition/British-thermal-unit-Btu.html
>
> https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gas_burner I put this document in here 
> which I think old Warren will appreciate cause he sees the ionization 
> phenomenon every time he lights up his Oxy/Acetylene torch and adjust 
> the flame.�� You have to go back and read the works of Tesla to 
> understand that a flame is an electrical phenomenon that Tesla was 
> very proud of his exact replication of the flame via electricity. Very 
> rapid positive ionization (combustion) yields the photon emission in 
> the various wavelengths of visible light based on the temperatures 
> present or created in the process. Take the old Oxy/Acetylene flame 
> for an example. When you light up, you get the orange light wave 
> length photon emission and a lot of soot due to incomplete combustion. 
> When the flame is leaned off to the ideal Complete combustion (no 
> soot, and more blue-like flame is the key) (Stoichiometric) mix you 
> get the emission of the blue wavelengths which are super high in 
> caloric value. See burn temperature table of common gasses.�� Bart, I 
> hope this will sort of clear up your questions.� Norm
>
>
> On 1/21/2019 7:13 PM, bart woodard [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>
>> Norman,
>> �������������� Ok , I started chewing on this and will continue to do 
>> so until some value has resolved itself lets hope.
>> Question.. according to this read and study you are saying 
>> condensation (electron pairing)has a higher value of charge with in 
>> vs any other state? correct?
>> It does this more so on its descent.
>> If so� a condensation "tank" constructed if you will would be able to 
>> employ itself as an on going capacitor.
>> So then the next challenge would be to construct an on going 
>> environment of static value. Are you also stating that once its 
>> discharged it has nothing left of itself to continue producing the 
>> calculative like event ongoing? emp Unless otherwise the event is set 
>> up to recycle? Once temps have peaked could not the peltiers come in 
>> to play for ongoing maintenance values for input?
>>
>> 1/ Built two projects in the past one being like the crystal 
>> compression some one posted a while back and had a very high scary 
>> freakish shock to it.
>> �� I also coiled a copper pipe spiral like above the device and found 
>> it also gave off a smaller value .
>> Once I took it to a dc motor and it did effect the rpm slightly? It 
>> was odd results and study.
>> Also as Hector mentioned the devices worked more efficiently pointed 
>> North. I have found this to be true.
>> Sometimes 1- 3% noticeably pending outside temperatures.
>>
>> 2/ In the relationship of photons to heat charge I did this experiment...
>> I took a plastic tank the farmers use for spraying. Thinking 1000 
>> liter, I constructed 200watt leds inside on the top.
>> On the bottom outlet I recycled the water bring it back to the top 
>> using a pipe and installed an in line vortex with 500 n52 with a 
>> disruptive design inside.
>> The purpose was to see if I could maintain an ongoing charge with in 
>> the water structure with out using additives.� Was also thinking of 
>> my pool and hot tub water.
>> I hooked up to a row of cucumbers 150ft long in a green house. With 
>> out using no more than 5% of their usual ingredient I ran it for two 
>> weeks.
>> It maintained its standard ec value and flourished. It bloomed more 
>> than the other rows and had better tasting cucumbers lol.
>> You may think the mags did it by them selves, yes but how ever for 
>> two weeks? Same water? The temp came up via the led and taco pump 
>> collecting
>> a charge combined with the light and mags to my understandings 
>> enhancing the ec.
>>
>> Bart
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> *From:* [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of 
>> Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] <[email protected]>
>> *Sent:* January 21, 2019 6:53 AM
>> *To:* [email protected]; Bert Pool; Bob Paddock; joel mcclain; 
>> Lane Wootan; Mbking42; Steven Elswick; Walt; Angel Alvarez; Fredric 
>> Fletcher; Jon Gentry; Jeane Manning; Toby Grotz
>> *Subject:* Re: [EVGRAY] plasma magnet
>>
>> Ok, Guys, remember what I told you in my paper, What is Heat.� Heat 
>> is positive ionization and cold is negative ionization. Its all in 
>> the conversion of electrons into photons as in the case of positive 
>> ionization and the pairing of photons back into electrons, negative 
>> ionization,as in the case of cooling. The element Gadolinium 
>> accomplishes the conversion in the presence or absence of a magnetic 
>> field.� Tesla's Pyro Ferromagnetic Generator worked this way with the 
>> molecular phase shift ( face center cubic to body centered cubic) at 
>> the thermal curie points of iron.� Everything in chemistry and 
>> physics is electrical based.��� Please understand, as an example, 
>> boiling water at the phase change into a vapor (positive ionization) 
>> electrons are converted into emitted photons, IR radiation and upon 
>> cooling the photon pairing provides the electrons for the water 
>> stricture to return to the liquid state.� In effect, you have an 
>> electron pump as demonstrated by Armstrong's Steam Electrostatic 
>> Generator.
>>
>> Here is something very important to consider in the Up and Down 
>> conversion of electrons in that at the simple, relative low 
>> temperature phase change process as is the case of water, it has been 
>> proven that more energy exist at the condensation process (electron 
>> paring) over the evaporation process.�� This has been an age old 
>> paradox.� When I started exploring the Annihilation-Reconnect 
>> phenomenon of magnetic flux, it was obvious that an order of 
>> magnitude discrepancy occurs at the conversion of magnetic flux into 
>> the photon-virtual photon emission then the paring at the re-connect 
>> phase giving the violent EMP pulse.�� Just a thought.� At the super 
>> high temperatures (positive ionization) in a hot plasma the energy 
>> equation get stood on its ear.� A huge amount of energy is manifest 
>> at the Re-connect, down conversion. Magneto-Electric.
>>
>> What is Heat #3
>>
>> For about 10 years I have been studying the effects of
>>
>> heating and cooling associated with the phase change of
>>
>> liquids with the hope of building a simple generator of
>>
>> electrical power around the phenomenon.The reason for this
>>
>> interest is based on the theory that energy can be extracted
>>
>> from the ambient background via thermal differentials.My
>>
>> line of thinking really took off back when I experimented
>>
>> with the all too familiar Peltier junction devices found in
>>
>> electronic cooling devices.Would you believe that most
>>
>> people do not understand how these devices move thermal
>>
>> energy through a current flow across a semiconductor
>>
>> junction.Historically we find that German physicist,
>>
>> Thomas Seebeck back in 1820 observed that when heat was
>>
>> applied to a junction of copper and steel wire that
>>
>> electrical energy resulted.Later in 1834 Jean Peltier
>>
>> discovered that when a direct current was applied to two
>>
>> Dissimilar metals the junction got hot or cold.It was not
>>
>> Until 1838 that Emil Lenz clearly showed the importance of
>>
>> Both Seebeck and Peltier s discoveries by placing a drop of
>>
>> Water on the junction of dissimilar metals which froze then
>>
>> Melted when the polarity of the direct current was
>>
>> Reversed.These discoveries remained dormant for over 100
>>
>> Years because of the unavailability of semiconductor
>>
>> Materials which could provide the wide temperature
>>
>> Differentials.In the 1930 s semiconductor materials became
>>
>> Available which revived the electric cooling principles.In
>>
>> The 1960 s many companies began building spot cooling
>>
>> Devices and refrigerators based on these effects using a
>>
>> Junction material of bismuth-telluride. Today more advanced
>>
>> Materials are used with the basic parameters of being a pore
>>
>> Thermal conductor but being an excellent electrical
>>
>> Conductor. The dissimilar materials must provide a high
>>
>> Coefficient of voltage temperature relationship.The first
>>
>> Peltier devices that I experimented with back about 10 years
>>
>> ago were built by Marlow Industries here in Dallas.With a
>>
>> small temperature differential across the device a weak
>>
>> current with an attendant voltage was developed.Increasing
>>
>> the differential provided a proportional increase in current
>>
>> and voltage.About 6 years ago I posted a chart of the
>>
>> wattage generated from two different size Peltier chips on
>>
>> the Keely Net BBS.My curiosity was based on the puzzle of
>>
>> how electron flow could move thermal energy across the
>>
>> junctions and how electrical energy was produced by moving
>>
>> thermal energy across the junction.This is a directly
>>
>> reversible situation based on polarity.
>>
>> Now let us look at a very familiar parallel process used in
>>
>> refrigeration, cooling and heating devices employing phase
>>
>> change material such as water and refrigerants.We have
>>
>> always been led to believe that evaporating water provided
>>
>> cooling effects which is a mechanical process. By the same
>>
>> mechanical process we are provided heating effects by the
>>
>> condensation of a gas back to a liquid phase change.Would
>>
>> you believe that any material that undergoes a phase change
>>
>> provides an attendant electrical effect.Back in 1840
>>
>> Armstrong invented an electrostatic generator based on
>>
>> escaping steam through insulated nozzles which provided one
>>
>> of the most powerful devices of this type ever built.
>>
>> Popular belief was that this was a frictional process with
>>
>> the electrical output resulting from the steam friction
>>
>> passing through the nozzles.After reading an old (1920 s)
>>
>> Thermodynamics in Chemistry text book I realized that the
>>
>> phase change of materials was an electrical phenomenon and
>>
>> not purely mechanical.The atoms of the material lose or
>>
>> gain electrons in the process which accounts for the
>>
>> discrepancy in the energy equation when a material
>>
>> transitions between phases.More energy is present after
>>
>> the phase change back to the lower form or atomic state. The
>>
>> text book stated that this phenomenon could not be
>>
>> explained.When Jerry and I attended a Conference hosted by
>>
>> Hal Puthoff down in Austin back about 6 years ago a
>>
>> Physicist from Austria presented a paper on the phase change
>>
>> of water and the attendant electrical phenomenon which is
>>
>> totally not understood by modern science.Now my suspicions
>>
>> were confirmed that phase changes of materials are an
>>
>> electrostatic phenomenon, which leads us to the fundamental
>>
>> question of,What is heat?We were told in theschool
>>
>> that heat is the presence of energy and cool is the absence
>>
>> of energy.What is the form of this energy?Let us look at
>>
>> a very simple example of heating which may explain this
>>
>> process.When sunlight strikes an absorbing surface it is
>>
>> heated because electrons in the material are converted to
>>
>> photons which are emitted in the infrared band of light
>>
>> leaving the material in a net positive state or hot.The
>>
>> more electrons a material loses the hotter it becomes.Now
>>
>> the inverse situation is explored by evaporating some water
>>
>> from the surface of a material which leaves the surface in a
>>
>> net negative state or cold.Heat or cold is based on the
>>
>> ion relationship in the material.When we apply a flame
>>
>> (ionizing) to a material we cause the emission of photons
>>
>> which is basically stripping away electrons from the atomic
>>
>> structure causing a gross net positive situation to occur.
>>
>> Now we are getting a picture as to how an electric current
>>
>> across the Peltier junction can transport thermal energy
>>
>> (ions).Since the energy is in the form of presence or
>>
>> absence of electrons then it is a simple explanation as to
>>
>> how the process works.All phase change processes work the
>>
>> same way basically via ion transport and are not mechanical
>>
>> processes which we were taught.Everythingin chemistry is
>>
>> an electrical or electrostatic process at the atomic level
>>
>> based on the ionized state of the atoms involved.
>>
>> At a Vanguard Science Roundtable discussion several years ago
>>
>> we talked about the ion wind method of fire fighting in
>>
>> which ionized air will extinguish a flame because of the
>>
>> cooling effects.Now we see Patents issued based on
>>
>> negative ion spraying of a surface causing it to rapidly
>>
>> cool because it becomes net negative charged.This is a
>>
>> very efficient method of air-conditioning because an ion
>>
>> generator operates at very high voltages with very little
>>
>> current involved.It is possible to develop this ion
>>
>> transport (thermal energy) to provide direct electrical
>>
>> output from very subtle temperature differentials.Remember
>>
>> that this is a direct reversible process where a thermal
>>
>> differential will cause a development of current and voltage
>>
>> as in the Peltier device.I hope that this dialog will
>>
>> provide some food for thought out there on the Keely Net.
>>
>> Please provide some feedback on this very interesting line
>>
>> of experimentation.Norm
>>
>> On 1/19/2019 9:16 AM, Warren Keillor [email protected] 
>> <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>
>>> Bart
>>>
>>> Years ago, you made up a prototype experiment, using a rotor, with 
>>> slanted magnets, much like some self runners seem to be displaying.
>>> Perhaps, it might be re-cycled, using these new magnets, with that 
>>> heat, cold, function, when driven?
>>> The trick is to see exactly where this heat, and cold actually 
>>> appear, in order to exploit this phenomenon.
>>> Then measuring how much energy is detected, and how much energy was 
>>> used to make it happen needs to be tested.
>>> Designing a good test is the challenge.
>>> Even if it matches contemporary refrigeration, or heating systems, 
>>> it might be a contender, to be competitive, if simple enough.
>>> Cheers Warren
>>>
>>> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
>>> <https://go.onelink.me/107872968?pid=InProduct&c=Global_Internal_YGrowth_AndroidEmailSig__AndroidUsers&af_wl=ym&af_sub1=Internal&af_sub2=Global_YGrowth&af_sub3=EmailSignature>
>>>
>>>     On Sat, 19 Jan 2019 at 8:22 AM, [email protected]
>>>     <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY]
>>>     <[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>     Hi Bart
>>>     I think I read about this before from some info you sent, in a
>>>     nutshell, a strong neodymium magnet being pushed towards the
>>>     gandolimium (sp?)stuff vrestez heat, but when it pulls away it
>>>     creates cold (other way around?) So its not too difficult to
>>>     make something mechanical or rotating to createheatorcold or
>>>     both...maybe they are using the super strong magnets now newly
>>>     available Norm posted rabout recently(N60 type?)
>>>     Kone
>>>
>>

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On 1/22/2019 6:18 AM, Norman Wootan wrote:
>
>
> On 1/22/2019 6:14 AM, Norman Wootan wrote:
>>
>> To all on this dialog list, I will attempt to respond to Bart's 
>> questions as to defining HEAT and COLD. First I must say that I am a, 
>> somewhat amateur researcher sort of like the Good Old Boy Red Neck 
>> that has an Oldsmobile Toronado (48 Oldsmobile with mud grip tires on 
>> front wheels) on wood blocks in front yard. You just have to address 
>> humor with a little humorous feed back.� Bart's question is in regard 
>> to an age old paradox that was found way back around turn of the 
>> Century and was written about in Thermodynamics of Chemistry Text 
>> Books. When studying the phase change of water, we know that in a 
>> closed system (evaporator/ condenser) with very careful 
>> instrumentation (caloriometer) it was found that there was more 
>> caloric energy present on the condensation side of the equation 
>> which, to this day remains unexplained by the very best scholars.� 
>> After studying Tesla's Pyro Ferromagnetic Generator, I wanted to know 
>> how the phase change of a material could provide an electrical 
>> output. That is how I got into researching the Armstrong 
>> Electrostatic Generator that used condensing steam in an insulated 
>> discharge nozzle to accumulate a very powerful electrical charge.� It 
>> has been very recent research developments that help us understand 
>> this phenomenon which has to do with the photon/ virtual photon 
>> puzzle.� Digress here. Back in 1995, Jerry Decker, Cheyenne Turner 
>> and I attended a Conference down in Austin, TX hosted by Hal Puthoff, 
>> EarthTech.� A physicists from Austria did a presentation on the very 
>> subject that I was researching which was the Paradox over the water 
>> phase change phenomenon. As he explained, no one has solved the 
>> obvious in-balance in the energy equation.� BTW, during Dr. John 
>> Bockris, TA&M presentation on The Lateral Transmutation of Elements 
>> in the Cold Fusion Cell (Bockris/ Bass Patent application)� Dr. 
>> Puthoff's lab assistant dropped dead in the back of the room due to a 
>> burst coronary artery.� See: 
>> https://www.elsevier.com/books/chemical-thermodynamics/rouquerol/978-0-08-021366-8
>>
>> https://www.researchgate.net/publication/295087583_Chemical_Thermodynamics 
>> Very important read.
>>
>> See attachment for full PDF.�� If you don't understand the 
>> information in this PDF, you need to take your ball and bat home 
>> cause you are trying to play in the wrong ballpark.� ( pleae download 
>> PDF, 16mb, too, large for YAHOO)
>>
>> http://www.businessdictionary.com/definition/British-thermal-unit-Btu.html
>>
>> https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gas_burner I put this document in 
>> here which I think old Warren will appreciate cause he sees the 
>> ionization phenomenon every time he lights up his Oxy/Acetylene torch 
>> and adjust the flame. You have to go back and read the works of Tesla 
>> to understand that a flame is an electrical phenomenon that Tesla was 
>> very proud of his exact replication of the flame via electricity. 
>> Very rapid positive ionization (combustion) yields the photon 
>> emission in the various wavelengths of visible light based on the 
>> temperatures present or created in the process. Take the old 
>> Oxy/Acetylene flame for an example. When you light up, you get the 
>> orange light wave length photon emission and a lot of soot due to 
>> incomplete combustion. When the flame is leaned off to the ideal 
>> Complete combustion (no soot, and more blue-like flame is the key) 
>> (Stoichiometric) mix you get the emission of the blue wavelengths 
>> which are super high in caloric value. See burn temperature table of 
>> common gasses. Bart, I hope this will sort of clear up your 
>> questions.� Norm
>>
>>
>> On 1/21/2019 7:13 PM, bart woodard [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>
>>> Norman,
>>> �������������� Ok , I started chewing on this and will continue to 
>>> do so until some value has resolved itself lets hope.
>>> Question.. according to this read and study you are saying 
>>> condensation (electron pairing)has a higher value of charge with in 
>>> vs any other state? correct?
>>> It does this more so on its descent.
>>> If so� a condensation "tank" constructed if you will would be able 
>>> to employ itself as an on going capacitor.
>>> So then the next challenge would be to construct an on going 
>>> environment of static value. Are you also stating that once its 
>>> discharged it has nothing left of itself to continue producing the 
>>> calculative like event ongoing? emp Unless otherwise the event is 
>>> set up to recycle? Once temps have peaked could not the peltiers 
>>> come in to play for ongoing maintenance values for input?
>>>
>>> 1/ Built two projects in the past one being like the crystal 
>>> compression some one posted a while back and had a very high scary 
>>> freakish shock to it.
>>> �� I also coiled a copper pipe spiral like above the device and 
>>> found it also gave off a smaller value .
>>> Once I took it to a dc motor and it did effect the rpm slightly? It 
>>> was odd results and study.
>>> Also as Hector mentioned the devices worked more efficiently pointed 
>>> North. I have found this to be true.
>>> Sometimes 1- 3% noticeably pending outside temperatures.
>>>
>>> 2/ In the relationship of photons to heat charge I did this 
>>> experiment...
>>> I took a plastic tank the farmers use for spraying. Thinking 1000 
>>> liter, I constructed 200watt leds inside on the top.
>>> On the bottom outlet I recycled the water bring it back to the top 
>>> using a pipe and installed an in line vortex with 500 n52 with a 
>>> disruptive design inside.
>>> The purpose was to see if I could maintain an ongoing charge with in 
>>> the water structure with out using additives.� Was also thinking of 
>>> my pool and hot tub water.
>>> I hooked up to a row of cucumbers 150ft long in a green house. With 
>>> out using no more than 5% of their usual ingredient I ran it for two 
>>> weeks.
>>> It maintained its standard ec value and flourished. It bloomed more 
>>> than the other rows and had better tasting cucumbers lol.
>>> You may think the mags did it by them selves, yes but how ever for 
>>> two weeks? Same water? The temp came up via the led and taco pump 
>>> collecting
>>> a charge combined with the light and mags to my understandings 
>>> enhancing the ec.
>>>
>>> Bart
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> *From:* [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of 
>>> Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] <[email protected]>
>>> *Sent:* January 21, 2019 6:53 AM
>>> *To:* [email protected]; Bert Pool; Bob Paddock; joel mcclain; 
>>> Lane Wootan; Mbking42; Steven Elswick; Walt; Angel Alvarez; Fredric 
>>> Fletcher; Jon Gentry; Jeane Manning; Toby Grotz
>>> *Subject:* Re: [EVGRAY] plasma magnet
>>>
>>> Ok, Guys, remember what I told you in my paper, What is Heat.� Heat 
>>> is positive ionization and cold is negative ionization. Its all in 
>>> the conversion of electrons into photons as in the case of positive 
>>> ionization and the pairing of photons back into electrons, negative 
>>> ionization,as in the case of cooling. The element Gadolinium 
>>> accomplishes the conversion in the presence or absence of a magnetic 
>>> field.� Tesla's Pyro Ferromagnetic Generator worked this way with 
>>> the molecular phase shift ( face center cubic to body centered 
>>> cubic) at the thermal curie points of iron.� Everything in chemistry 
>>> and physics is electrical based.��� Please understand, as an 
>>> example, boiling water at the phase change into a vapor (positive 
>>> ionization) electrons are converted into emitted photons, IR 
>>> radiation and upon cooling the photon pairing provides the electrons 
>>> for the water stricture to return to the liquid state.� In effect, 
>>> you have an electron pump as demonstrated by Armstrong's Steam 
>>> Electrostatic Generator.
>>>
>>> Here is something very important to consider in the Up and Down 
>>> conversion of electrons in that at the simple, relative low 
>>> temperature phase change process as is the case of water, it has 
>>> been proven that more energy exist at the condensation process 
>>> (electron paring) over the evaporation process.�� This has been an 
>>> age old paradox.� When I started exploring the 
>>> Annihilation-Reconnect phenomenon of magnetic flux, it was obvious 
>>> that an order of magnitude discrepancy occurs at the conversion of 
>>> magnetic flux into the photon-virtual photon emission then the 
>>> paring at the re-connect phase giving the violent EMP pulse.�� Just 
>>> a thought.� At the super high temperatures (positive ionization) in 
>>> a hot plasma the energy equation get stood on its ear.� A huge 
>>> amount of energy is manifest at the Re-connect, down conversion. 
>>> Magneto-Electric.
>>>
>>> What is Heat #3
>>>
>>> For about 10 years I have been studying the effects of
>>>
>>> heating and cooling associated with the phase change of
>>>
>>> liquids with the hope of building a simple generator of
>>>
>>> electrical power around the phenomenon.The reason for this
>>>
>>> interest is based on the theory that energy can be extracted
>>>
>>> from the ambient background via thermal differentials.My
>>>
>>> line of thinking really took off back when I experimented
>>>
>>> with the all too familiar Peltier junction devices found in
>>>
>>> electronic cooling devices.Would you believe that most
>>>
>>> people do not understand how these devices move thermal
>>>
>>> energy through a current flow across a semiconductor
>>>
>>> junction.Historically we find that German physicist,
>>>
>>> Thomas Seebeck back in 1820 observed that when heat was
>>>
>>> applied to a junction of copper and steel wire that
>>>
>>> electrical energy resulted.Later in 1834 Jean Peltier
>>>
>>> discovered that when a direct current was applied to two
>>>
>>> Dissimilar metals the junction got hot or cold.It was not
>>>
>>> Until 1838 that Emil Lenz clearly showed the importance of
>>>
>>> Both Seebeck and Peltier s discoveries by placing a drop of
>>>
>>> Water on the junction of dissimilar metals which froze then
>>>
>>> Melted when the polarity of the direct current was
>>>
>>> Reversed.These discoveries remained dormant for over 100
>>>
>>> Years because of the unavailability of semiconductor
>>>
>>> Materials which could provide the wide temperature
>>>
>>> Differentials.In the 1930 s semiconductor materials became
>>>
>>> Available which revived the electric cooling principles.In
>>>
>>> The 1960 s many companies began building spot cooling
>>>
>>> Devices and refrigerators based on these effects using a
>>>
>>> Junction material of bismuth-telluride. Today more advanced
>>>
>>> Materials are used with the basic parameters of being a pore
>>>
>>> Thermal conductor but being an excellent electrical
>>>
>>> Conductor. The dissimilar materials must provide a high
>>>
>>> Coefficient of voltage temperature relationship.The first
>>>
>>> Peltier devices that I experimented with back about 10 years
>>>
>>> ago were built by Marlow Industries here in Dallas.With a
>>>
>>> small temperature differential across the device a weak
>>>
>>> current with an attendant voltage was developed.Increasing
>>>
>>> the differential provided a proportional increase in current
>>>
>>> and voltage.About 6 years ago I posted a chart of the
>>>
>>> wattage generated from two different size Peltier chips on
>>>
>>> the Keely Net BBS.My curiosity was based on the puzzle of
>>>
>>> how electron flow could move thermal energy across the
>>>
>>> junctions and how electrical energy was produced by moving
>>>
>>> thermal energy across the junction.This is a directly
>>>
>>> reversible situation based on polarity.
>>>
>>> Now let us look at a very familiar parallel process used in
>>>
>>> refrigeration, cooling and heating devices employing phase
>>>
>>> change material such as water and refrigerants.We have
>>>
>>> always been led to believe that evaporating water provided
>>>
>>> cooling effects which is a mechanical process. By the same
>>>
>>> mechanical process we are provided heating effects by the
>>>
>>> condensation of a gas back to a liquid phase change.Would
>>>
>>> you believe that any material that undergoes a phase change
>>>
>>> provides an attendant electrical effect.Back in 1840
>>>
>>> Armstrong invented an electrostatic generator based on
>>>
>>> escaping steam through insulated nozzles which provided one
>>>
>>> of the most powerful devices of this type ever built.
>>>
>>> Popular belief was that this was a frictional process with
>>>
>>> the electrical output resulting from the steam friction
>>>
>>> passing through the nozzles.After reading an old (1920 s)
>>>
>>> Thermodynamics in Chemistry text book I realized that the
>>>
>>> phase change of materials was an electrical phenomenon and
>>>
>>> not purely mechanical.The atoms of the material lose or
>>>
>>> gain electrons in the process which accounts for the
>>>
>>> discrepancy in the energy equation when a material
>>>
>>> transitions between phases.More energy is present after
>>>
>>> the phase change back to the lower form or atomic state. The
>>>
>>> text book stated that this phenomenon could not be
>>>
>>> explained.When Jerry and I attended a Conference hosted by
>>>
>>> Hal Puthoff down in Austin back about 6 years ago a
>>>
>>> Physicist from Austria presented a paper on the phase change
>>>
>>> of water and the attendant electrical phenomenon which is
>>>
>>> totally not understood by modern science.Now my suspicions
>>>
>>> were confirmed that phase changes of materials are an
>>>
>>> electrostatic phenomenon, which leads us to the fundamental
>>>
>>> question of,What is heat?We were told in theschool
>>>
>>> that heat is the presence of energy and cool is the absence
>>>
>>> of energy.What is the form of this energy?Let us look at
>>>
>>> a very simple example of heating which may explain this
>>>
>>> process.When sunlight strikes an absorbing surface it is
>>>
>>> heated because electrons in the material are converted to
>>>
>>> photons which are emitted in the infrared band of light
>>>
>>> leaving the material in a net positive state or hot.The
>>>
>>> more electrons a material loses the hotter it becomes.Now
>>>
>>> the inverse situation is explored by evaporating some water
>>>
>>> from the surface of a material which leaves the surface in a
>>>
>>> net negative state or cold.Heat or cold is based on the
>>>
>>> ion relationship in the material.When we apply a flame
>>>
>>> (ionizing) to a material we cause the emission of photons
>>>
>>> which is basically stripping away electrons from the atomic
>>>
>>> structure causing a gross net positive situation to occur.
>>>
>>> Now we are getting a picture as to how an electric current
>>>
>>> across the Peltier junction can transport thermal energy
>>>
>>> (ions).Since the energy is in the form of presence or
>>>
>>> absence of electrons then it is a simple explanation as to
>>>
>>> how the process works.All phase change processes work the
>>>
>>> same way basically via ion transport and are not mechanical
>>>
>>> processes which we were taught.Everythingin chemistry is
>>>
>>> an electrical or electrostatic process at the atomic level
>>>
>>> based on the ionized state of the atoms involved.
>>>
>>> At a Vanguard Science Roundtable discussion several years ago
>>>
>>> we talked about the ion wind method of fire fighting in
>>>
>>> which ionized air will extinguish a flame because of the
>>>
>>> cooling effects.Now we see Patents issued based on
>>>
>>> negative ion spraying of a surface causing it to rapidly
>>>
>>> cool because it becomes net negative charged.This is a
>>>
>>> very efficient method of air-conditioning because an ion
>>>
>>> generator operates at very high voltages with very little
>>>
>>> current involved.It is possible to develop this ion
>>>
>>> transport (thermal energy) to provide direct electrical
>>>
>>> output from very subtle temperature differentials.Remember
>>>
>>> that this is a direct reversible process where a thermal
>>>
>>> differential will cause a development of current and voltage
>>>
>>> as in the Peltier device.I hope that this dialog will
>>>
>>> provide some food for thought out there on the Keely Net.
>>>
>>> Please provide some feedback on this very interesting line
>>>
>>> of experimentation.Norm
>>>
>>> On 1/19/2019 9:16 AM, Warren Keillor [email protected] 
>>> <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Bart
>>>>
>>>> Years ago, you made up a prototype experiment, using a rotor, with 
>>>> slanted magnets, much like some self runners seem to be displaying.
>>>> Perhaps, it might be re-cycled, using these new magnets, with that 
>>>> heat, cold, function, when driven?
>>>> The trick is to see exactly where this heat, and cold actually 
>>>> appear, in order to exploit this phenomenon.
>>>> Then measuring how much energy is detected, and how much energy was 
>>>> used to make it happen needs to be tested.
>>>> Designing a good test is the challenge.
>>>> Even if it matches contemporary refrigeration, or heating systems, 
>>>> it might be a contender, to be competitive, if simple enough.
>>>> Cheers Warren
>>>>
>>>> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
>>>> <https://go.onelink.me/107872968?pid=InProduct&c=Global_Internal_YGrowth_AndroidEmailSig__AndroidUsers&af_wl=ym&af_sub1=Internal&af_sub2=Global_YGrowth&af_sub3=EmailSignature>
>>>>
>>>>     On Sat, 19 Jan 2019 at 8:22 AM, [email protected]
>>>>     <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY]
>>>>     <[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>     Hi Bart
>>>>     I think I read about this before from some info you sent, in a
>>>>     nutshell, a strong neodymium magnet being pushed towards the
>>>>     gandolimium (sp?)stuff vrestez heat, but when it pulls away it
>>>>     creates cold (other way around?) So its not too difficult to
>>>>     make something mechanical or rotating to createheatorcold or
>>>>     both...maybe they are using the super strong magnets now newly
>>>>     available Norm posted rabout recently(N60 type?)
>>>>     Kone
>>>>
>>>

Bert, I have been looking more into the PZT, Lead Zirconate EMP 
generation, Magneto-Electric Effect. Check out these sites. 
https://phys.org/news/2016-05-scientists-giant-magnetoelectric-effect-bismuth.html

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/284097138_Origin_of_the_giant_linear_magnetoelectric_effect_in_perovskite-like_multiferroic_BiFeO_3

https://aip.scitation.org/doi/10.1063/1.1577404��� Bert, MRA all the 
way!�� High audio freq range.

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/260732043_Observation_of_nonlinear_magnetoelectric_response_to_magnetic_pulses_in_layered_magnetostrictive-piezoelectric_structures 
See PDF at attached.


On 1/22/2019 3:39 PM, Norman Wootan wrote:
>
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>
> Watch this beautifully created 3D simulation of a Solar Flare!
>
> On 1/22/2019 6:18 AM, Norman Wootan wrote:
>>
>>
>> On 1/22/2019 6:14 AM, Norman Wootan wrote:
>>>
>>> To all on this dialog list, I will attempt to respond to Bart's 
>>> questions as to defining HEAT and COLD. First I must say that I am 
>>> a, somewhat amateur researcher sort of like the Good Old Boy Red 
>>> Neck that has an Oldsmobile Toronado (48 Oldsmobile with mud grip 
>>> tires on front wheels) on wood blocks in front yard. You just have 
>>> to address humor with a little humorous feed back.� Bart's question 
>>> is in regard to an age old paradox that was found way back around 
>>> turn of the Century and was written about in Thermodynamics of 
>>> Chemistry Text Books. When studying the phase change of water, we 
>>> know that in a closed system (evaporator/ condenser) with very 
>>> careful instrumentation (caloriometer) it was found that there was 
>>> more caloric energy present on the condensation side of the equation 
>>> which, to this day remains unexplained by the very best scholars.� 
>>> After studying Tesla's Pyro Ferromagnetic Generator, I wanted to 
>>> know how the phase change of a material could provide an electrical 
>>> output. That is how I got into researching the Armstrong 
>>> Electrostatic Generator that used condensing steam in an insulated 
>>> discharge nozzle to accumulate a very powerful electrical charge.� 
>>> It has been very recent research developments that help us 
>>> understand this phenomenon which has to do with the photon/ virtual 
>>> photon puzzle.� Digress here. Back in 1995, Jerry Decker, Cheyenne 
>>> Turner and I attended a Conference down in Austin, TX hosted by Hal 
>>> Puthoff, EarthTech.� A physicists from Austria did a presentation on 
>>> the very subject that I was researching which was the Paradox over 
>>> the water phase change phenomenon. As he explained, no one has 
>>> solved the obvious in-balance in the energy equation.� BTW, during 
>>> Dr. John Bockris, TA&M presentation on The Lateral Transmutation of 
>>> Elements in the Cold Fusion Cell (Bockris/ Bass Patent application)� 
>>> Dr. Puthoff's lab assistant dropped dead in the back of the room due 
>>> to a burst coronary artery.� See: 
>>> https://www.elsevier.com/books/chemical-thermodynamics/rouquerol/978-0-08-021366-8
>>>
>>> https://www.researchgate.net/publication/295087583_Chemical_Thermodynamics 
>>> Very important read.
>>>
>>> See attachment for full PDF.�� If you don't understand the 
>>> information in this PDF, you need to take your ball and bat home 
>>> cause you are trying to play in the wrong ballpark.� ( pleae 
>>> download PDF, 16mb, too, large for YAHOO)
>>>
>>> http://www.businessdictionary.com/definition/British-thermal-unit-Btu.html
>>>
>>> https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gas_burner I put this document in 
>>> here which I think old Warren will appreciate cause he sees the 
>>> ionization phenomenon every time he lights up his Oxy/Acetylene 
>>> torch and adjust the flame.�� You have to go back and read the works 
>>> of Tesla to understand that a flame is an electrical phenomenon that 
>>> Tesla was very proud of his exact replication of the flame via 
>>> electricity. Very rapid positive ionization (combustion) yields the 
>>> photon emission in the various wavelengths of visible light based on 
>>> the temperatures present or created in the process. Take the old 
>>> Oxy/Acetylene flame for an example. When you light up, you get the 
>>> orange light wave length photon emission and a lot of soot due to 
>>> incomplete combustion. When the flame is leaned off to the ideal 
>>> Complete combustion (no soot, and more blue-like flame is the key) 
>>> (Stoichiometric) mix you get the emission of the blue wavelengths 
>>> which are super high in caloric value. See burn temperature table of 
>>> common gasses.�� Bart, I hope this will sort of clear up your 
>>> questions.� Norm
>>>
>>>
>>> On 1/21/2019 7:13 PM, bart woodard [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Norman,
>>>> �������������� Ok , I started chewing on this and will continue to 
>>>> do so until some value has resolved itself lets hope.
>>>> Question.. according to this read and study you are saying 
>>>> condensation (electron pairing)has a higher value of charge with in 
>>>> vs any other state? correct?
>>>> It does this more so on its descent.
>>>> If so� a condensation "tank" constructed if you will would be able 
>>>> to employ itself as an on going capacitor.
>>>> So then the next challenge would be to construct an on going 
>>>> environment of static value. Are you also stating that once its 
>>>> discharged it has nothing left of itself to continue producing the 
>>>> calculative like event ongoing? emp Unless otherwise the event is 
>>>> set up to recycle? Once temps have peaked could not the peltiers 
>>>> come in to play for ongoing maintenance values for input?
>>>>
>>>> 1/ Built two projects in the past one being like the crystal 
>>>> compression some one posted a while back and had a very high scary 
>>>> freakish shock to it.
>>>> �� I also coiled a copper pipe spiral like above the device and 
>>>> found it also gave off a smaller value .
>>>> Once I took it to a dc motor and it did effect the rpm slightly? It 
>>>> was odd results and study.
>>>> Also as Hector mentioned the devices worked more efficiently 
>>>> pointed North. I have found this to be true.
>>>> Sometimes 1- 3% noticeably pending outside temperatures.
>>>>
>>>> 2/ In the relationship of photons to heat charge I did this 
>>>> experiment...
>>>> I took a plastic tank the farmers use for spraying. Thinking 1000 
>>>> liter, I constructed 200watt leds inside on the top.
>>>> On the bottom outlet I recycled the water bring it back to the top 
>>>> using a pipe and installed an in line vortex with 500 n52 with a 
>>>> disruptive design inside.
>>>> The purpose was to see if I could maintain an ongoing charge with 
>>>> in the water structure with out using additives.� Was also thinking 
>>>> of my pool and hot tub water.
>>>> I hooked up to a row of cucumbers 150ft long in a green house. With 
>>>> out using no more than 5% of their usual ingredient I ran it for 
>>>> two weeks.
>>>> It maintained its standard ec value and flourished. It bloomed more 
>>>> than the other rows and had better tasting cucumbers lol.
>>>> You may think the mags did it by them selves, yes but how ever for 
>>>> two weeks? Same water? The temp came up via the led and taco pump 
>>>> collecting
>>>> a charge combined with the light and mags to my understandings 
>>>> enhancing the ec.
>>>>
>>>> Bart
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>> *From:* [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf 
>>>> of Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] <[email protected]>
>>>> *Sent:* January 21, 2019 6:53 AM
>>>> *To:* [email protected]; Bert Pool; Bob Paddock; joel mcclain; 
>>>> Lane Wootan; Mbking42; Steven Elswick; Walt; Angel Alvarez; Fredric 
>>>> Fletcher; Jon Gentry; Jeane Manning; Toby Grotz
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [EVGRAY] plasma magnet
>>>>
>>>> Ok, Guys, remember what I told you in my paper, What is Heat.� Heat 
>>>> is positive ionization and cold is negative ionization. Its all in 
>>>> the conversion of electrons into photons as in the case of positive 
>>>> ionization and the pairing of photons back into electrons, negative 
>>>> ionization,as in the case of cooling. The element Gadolinium 
>>>> accomplishes the conversion in the presence or absence of a 
>>>> magnetic field. Tesla's Pyro Ferromagnetic Generator worked this 
>>>> way with the molecular phase shift ( face center cubic to body 
>>>> centered cubic) at the thermal curie points of iron.� Everything in 
>>>> chemistry and physics is electrical based.��� Please understand, as 
>>>> an example, boiling water at the phase change into a vapor 
>>>> (positive ionization) electrons are converted into emitted photons, 
>>>> IR radiation and upon cooling the photon pairing provides the 
>>>> electrons for the water stricture to return to the liquid state.� 
>>>> In effect, you have an electron pump as demonstrated by Armstrong's 
>>>> Steam Electrostatic Generator.
>>>>
>>>> Here is something very important to consider in the Up and Down 
>>>> conversion of electrons in that at the simple, relative low 
>>>> temperature phase change process as is the case of water, it has 
>>>> been proven that more energy exist at the condensation process 
>>>> (electron paring) over the evaporation process.�� This has been an 
>>>> age old paradox.� When I started exploring the 
>>>> Annihilation-Reconnect phenomenon of magnetic flux, it was obvious 
>>>> that an order of magnitude discrepancy occurs at the conversion of 
>>>> magnetic flux into the photon-virtual photon emission then the 
>>>> paring at the re-connect phase giving the violent EMP pulse.�� Just 
>>>> a thought.� At the super high temperatures (positive ionization) in 
>>>> a hot plasma the energy equation get stood on its ear.� A huge 
>>>> amount of energy is manifest at the Re-connect, down conversion. 
>>>> Magneto-Electric.
>>>>
>>>> What is Heat #3
>>>>
>>>> For about 10 years I have been studying the effects of
>>>>
>>>> heating and cooling associated with the phase change of
>>>>
>>>> liquids with the hope of building a simple generator of
>>>>
>>>> electrical power around the phenomenon.The reason for this
>>>>
>>>> interest is based on the theory that energy can be extracted
>>>>
>>>> from the ambient background via thermal differentials.My
>>>>
>>>> line of thinking really took off back when I experimented
>>>>
>>>> with the all too familiar Peltier junction devices found in
>>>>
>>>> electronic cooling devices.Would you believe that most
>>>>
>>>> people do not understand how these devices move thermal
>>>>
>>>> energy through a current flow across a semiconductor
>>>>
>>>> junction.Historically we find that German physicist,
>>>>
>>>> Thomas Seebeck back in 1820 observed that when heat was
>>>>
>>>> applied to a junction of copper and steel wire that
>>>>
>>>> electrical energy resulted.Later in 1834 Jean Peltier
>>>>
>>>> discovered that when a direct current was applied to two
>>>>
>>>> Dissimilar metals the junction got hot or cold.It was not
>>>>
>>>> Until 1838 that Emil Lenz clearly showed the importance of
>>>>
>>>> Both Seebeck and Peltier s discoveries by placing a drop of
>>>>
>>>> Water on the junction of dissimilar metals which froze then
>>>>
>>>> Melted when the polarity of the direct current was
>>>>
>>>> Reversed.These discoveries remained dormant for over 100
>>>>
>>>> Years because of the unavailability of semiconductor
>>>>
>>>> Materials which could provide the wide temperature
>>>>
>>>> Differentials.In the 1930 s semiconductor materials became
>>>>
>>>> Available which revived the electric cooling principles.In
>>>>
>>>> The 1960 s many companies began building spot cooling
>>>>
>>>> Devices and refrigerators based on these effects using a
>>>>
>>>> Junction material of bismuth-telluride. Today more advanced
>>>>
>>>> Materials are used with the basic parameters of being a pore
>>>>
>>>> Thermal conductor but being an excellent electrical
>>>>
>>>> Conductor. The dissimilar materials must provide a high
>>>>
>>>> Coefficient of voltage temperature relationship.The first
>>>>
>>>> Peltier devices that I experimented with back about 10 years
>>>>
>>>> ago were built by Marlow Industries here in Dallas.With a
>>>>
>>>> small temperature differential across the device a weak
>>>>
>>>> current with an attendant voltage was developed.Increasing
>>>>
>>>> the differential provided a proportional increase in current
>>>>
>>>> and voltage.About 6 years ago I posted a chart of the
>>>>
>>>> wattage generated from two different size Peltier chips on
>>>>
>>>> the Keely Net BBS.My curiosity was based on the puzzle of
>>>>
>>>> how electron flow could move thermal energy across the
>>>>
>>>> junctions and how electrical energy was produced by moving
>>>>
>>>> thermal energy across the junction.This is a directly
>>>>
>>>> reversible situation based on polarity.
>>>>
>>>> Now let us look at a very familiar parallel process used in
>>>>
>>>> refrigeration, cooling and heating devices employing phase
>>>>
>>>> change material such as water and refrigerants.We have
>>>>
>>>> always been led to believe that evaporating water provided
>>>>
>>>> cooling effects which is a mechanical process. By the same
>>>>
>>>> mechanical process we are provided heating effects by the
>>>>
>>>> condensation of a gas back to a liquid phase change.Would
>>>>
>>>> you believe that any material that undergoes a phase change
>>>>
>>>> provides an attendant electrical effect.Back in 1840
>>>>
>>>> Armstrong invented an electrostatic generator based on
>>>>
>>>> escaping steam through insulated nozzles which provided one
>>>>
>>>> of the most powerful devices of this type ever built.
>>>>
>>>> Popular belief was that this was a frictional process with
>>>>
>>>> the electrical output resulting from the steam friction
>>>>
>>>> passing through the nozzles.After reading an old (1920 s)
>>>>
>>>> Thermodynamics in Chemistry text book I realized that the
>>>>
>>>> phase change of materials was an electrical phenomenon and
>>>>
>>>> not purely mechanical.The atoms of the material lose or
>>>>
>>>> gain electrons in the process which accounts for the
>>>>
>>>> discrepancy in the energy equation when a material
>>>>
>>>> transitions between phases.More energy is present after
>>>>
>>>> the phase change back to the lower form or atomic state. The
>>>>
>>>> text book stated that this phenomenon could not be
>>>>
>>>> explained.When Jerry and I attended a Conference hosted by
>>>>
>>>> Hal Puthoff down in Austin back about 6 years ago a
>>>>
>>>> Physicist from Austria presented a paper on the phase change
>>>>
>>>> of water and the attendant electrical phenomenon which is
>>>>
>>>> totally not understood by modern science.Now my suspicions
>>>>
>>>> were confirmed that phase changes of materials are an
>>>>
>>>> electrostatic phenomenon, which leads us to the fundamental
>>>>
>>>> question of,What is heat?We were told in theschool
>>>>
>>>> that heat is the presence of energy and cool is the absence
>>>>
>>>> of energy.What is the form of this energy?Let us look at
>>>>
>>>> a very simple example of heating which may explain this
>>>>
>>>> process.When sunlight strikes an absorbing surface it is
>>>>
>>>> heated because electrons in the material are converted to
>>>>
>>>> photons which are emitted in the infrared band of light
>>>>
>>>> leaving the material in a net positive state or hot.The
>>>>
>>>> more electrons a material loses the hotter it becomes.Now
>>>>
>>>> the inverse situation is explored by evaporating some water
>>>>
>>>> from the surface of a material which leaves the surface in a
>>>>
>>>> net negative state or cold.Heat or cold is based on the
>>>>
>>>> ion relationship in the material.When we apply a flame
>>>>
>>>> (ionizing) to a material we cause the emission of photons
>>>>
>>>> which is basically stripping away electrons from the atomic
>>>>
>>>> structure causing a gross net positive situation to occur.
>>>>
>>>> Now we are getting a picture as to how an electric current
>>>>
>>>> across the Peltier junction can transport thermal energy
>>>>
>>>> (ions).Since the energy is in the form of presence or
>>>>
>>>> absence of electrons then it is a simple explanation as to
>>>>
>>>> how the process works.All phase change processes work the
>>>>
>>>> same way basically via ion transport and are not mechanical
>>>>
>>>> processes which we were taught.Everythingin chemistry is
>>>>
>>>> an electrical or electrostatic process at the atomic level
>>>>
>>>> based on the ionized state of the atoms involved.
>>>>
>>>> At a Vanguard Science Roundtable discussion several years ago
>>>>
>>>> we talked about the ion wind method of fire fighting in
>>>>
>>>> which ionized air will extinguish a flame because of the
>>>>
>>>> cooling effects.Now we see Patents issued based on
>>>>
>>>> negative ion spraying of a surface causing it to rapidly
>>>>
>>>> cool because it becomes net negative charged.This is a
>>>>
>>>> very efficient method of air-conditioning because an ion
>>>>
>>>> generator operates at very high voltages with very little
>>>>
>>>> current involved.It is possible to develop this ion
>>>>
>>>> transport (thermal energy) to provide direct electrical
>>>>
>>>> output from very subtle temperature differentials.Remember
>>>>
>>>> that this is a direct reversible process where a thermal
>>>>
>>>> differential will cause a development of current and voltage
>>>>
>>>> as in the Peltier device.I hope that this dialog will
>>>>
>>>> provide some food for thought out there on the Keely Net.
>>>>
>>>> Please provide some feedback on this very interesting line
>>>>
>>>> of experimentation.Norm
>>>>
>>>> On 1/19/2019 9:16 AM, Warren Keillor [email protected] 
>>>> <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Bart
>>>>>
>>>>> Years ago, you made up a prototype experiment, using a rotor, with 
>>>>> slanted magnets, much like some self runners seem to be displaying.
>>>>> Perhaps, it might be re-cycled, using these new magnets, with that 
>>>>> heat, cold, function, when driven?
>>>>> The trick is to see exactly where this heat, and cold actually 
>>>>> appear, in order to exploit this phenomenon.
>>>>> Then measuring how much energy is detected, and how much energy 
>>>>> was used to make it happen needs to be tested.
>>>>> Designing a good test is the challenge.
>>>>> Even if it matches contemporary refrigeration, or heating systems, 
>>>>> it might be a contender, to be competitive, if simple enough.
>>>>> Cheers Warren
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
>>>>> <https://go.onelink.me/107872968?pid=InProduct&c=Global_Internal_YGrowth_AndroidEmailSig__AndroidUsers&af_wl=ym&af_sub1=Internal&af_sub2=Global_YGrowth&af_sub3=EmailSignature>
>>>>>
>>>>>     On Sat, 19 Jan 2019 at 8:22 AM, [email protected]
>>>>>     <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY]
>>>>>     <[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>     Hi Bart
>>>>>     I think I read about this before from some info you sent, in a
>>>>>     nutshell, a strong neodymium magnet being pushed towards the
>>>>>     gandolimium (sp?)stuff vrestez heat, but when it pulls away it
>>>>>     creates cold (other way around?) So its not too difficult to
>>>>>     make something mechanical or rotating to createheatorcold or
>>>>>     both...maybe they are using the super strong magnets now newly
>>>>>     available Norm posted rabout recently(N60 type?)
>>>>>     Kone
>>>>>
>>>>