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On 1/22/2019 6:14 AM, Norman Wootan wrote:
>
> To all on this dialog list, I will attempt to respond to Bart's
> questions as to defining HEAT and COLD. First I must say that I am a,
> somewhat amateur researcher sort of like the Good Old Boy Red Neck
> that has an Oldsmobile Toronado (48 Oldsmobile with mud grip tires on
> front wheels) on wood blocks in front yard. You just have to address
> humor with a little humorous feed back. Bart's question is in regard
> to an age old paradox that was found way back around turn of the
> Century and was written about in Thermodynamics of Chemistry Text
> Books. When studying the phase change of water, we know that in a
> closed system (evaporator/ condenser) with very careful
> instrumentation (caloriometer) it was found that there was more
> caloric energy present on the condensation side of the equation which,
> to this day remains unexplained by the very best scholars.� After
> studying Tesla's Pyro Ferromagnetic Generator, I wanted to know how
> the phase change of a material could provide an electrical output.
> That is how I got into researching the Armstrong Electrostatic
> Generator that used condensing steam in an insulated discharge nozzle
> to accumulate a very powerful electrical charge.� It has been very
> recent research developments that help us understand this phenomenon
> which has to do with the photon/ virtual photon puzzle.� Digress here.
> Back in 1995, Jerry Decker, Cheyenne Turner and I attended a
> Conference down in Austin, TX hosted by Hal Puthoff, EarthTech. A
> physicists from Austria did a presentation on the very subject that I
> was researching which was the Paradox over the water phase change
> phenomenon. As he explained, no one has solved the obvious in-balance
> in the energy equation.� BTW, during Dr. John Bockris, TA&M
> presentation on The Lateral Transmutation of Elements in the Cold
> Fusion Cell (Bockris/ Bass Patent application)� Dr. Puthoff's lab
> assistant dropped dead in the back of the room due to a burst coronary
> artery.� See:
> https://www.elsevier.com/books/chemical-thermodynamics/rouquerol/978-0-08-021366-8
>
> https://www.researchgate.net/publication/295087583_Chemical_Thermodynamics
> Very important read.
>
> See attachment for full PDF.�� If you don't understand the information
> in this PDF, you need to take your ball and bat home cause you are
> trying to play in the wrong ballpark.� ( pleae download PDF, 16mb,
> too, large for YAHOO)
>
> http://www.businessdictionary.com/definition/British-thermal-unit-Btu.html
>
> https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gas_burner I put this document in here
> which I think old Warren will appreciate cause he sees the ionization
> phenomenon every time he lights up his Oxy/Acetylene torch and adjust
> the flame.�� You have to go back and read the works of Tesla to
> understand that a flame is an electrical phenomenon that Tesla was
> very proud of his exact replication of the flame via electricity. Very
> rapid positive ionization (combustion) yields the photon emission in
> the various wavelengths of visible light based on the temperatures
> present or created in the process. Take the old Oxy/Acetylene flame
> for an example. When you light up, you get the orange light wave
> length photon emission and a lot of soot due to incomplete combustion.
> When the flame is leaned off to the ideal Complete combustion (no
> soot, and more blue-like flame is the key) (Stoichiometric) mix you
> get the emission of the blue wavelengths which are super high in
> caloric value. See burn temperature table of common gasses.�� Bart, I
> hope this will sort of clear up your questions.� Norm
>
>
> On 1/21/2019 7:13 PM, bart woodard [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>
>> Norman,
>> �������������� Ok , I started chewing on this and will continue to do
>> so until some value has resolved itself lets hope.
>> Question.. according to this read and study you are saying
>> condensation (electron pairing)has a higher value of charge with in
>> vs any other state? correct?
>> It does this more so on its descent.
>> If so� a condensation "tank" constructed if you will would be able to
>> employ itself as an on going capacitor.
>> So then the next challenge would be to construct an on going
>> environment of static value. Are you also stating that once its
>> discharged it has nothing left of itself to continue producing the
>> calculative like event ongoing? emp Unless otherwise the event is set
>> up to recycle? Once temps have peaked could not the peltiers come in
>> to play for ongoing maintenance values for input?
>>
>> 1/ Built two projects in the past one being like the crystal
>> compression some one posted a while back and had a very high scary
>> freakish shock to it.
>> �� I also coiled a copper pipe spiral like above the device and found
>> it also gave off a smaller value .
>> Once I took it to a dc motor and it did effect the rpm slightly? It
>> was odd results and study.
>> Also as Hector mentioned the devices worked more efficiently pointed
>> North. I have found this to be true.
>> Sometimes 1- 3% noticeably pending outside temperatures.
>>
>> 2/ In the relationship of photons to heat charge I did this experiment...
>> I took a plastic tank the farmers use for spraying. Thinking 1000
>> liter, I constructed 200watt leds inside on the top.
>> On the bottom outlet I recycled the water bring it back to the top
>> using a pipe and installed an in line vortex with 500 n52 with a
>> disruptive design inside.
>> The purpose was to see if I could maintain an ongoing charge with in
>> the water structure with out using additives.� Was also thinking of
>> my pool and hot tub water.
>> I hooked up to a row of cucumbers 150ft long in a green house. With
>> out using no more than 5% of their usual ingredient I ran it for two
>> weeks.
>> It maintained its standard ec value and flourished. It bloomed more
>> than the other rows and had better tasting cucumbers lol.
>> You may think the mags did it by them selves, yes but how ever for
>> two weeks? Same water? The temp came up via the led and taco pump
>> collecting
>> a charge combined with the light and mags to my understandings
>> enhancing the ec.
>>
>> Bart
>>
>>
>>
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>> *From:* [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of
>> Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] <[email protected]>
>> *Sent:* January 21, 2019 6:53 AM
>> *To:* [email protected]; Bert Pool; Bob Paddock; joel mcclain;
>> Lane Wootan; Mbking42; Steven Elswick; Walt; Angel Alvarez; Fredric
>> Fletcher; Jon Gentry; Jeane Manning; Toby Grotz
>> *Subject:* Re: [EVGRAY] plasma magnet
>>
>> Ok, Guys, remember what I told you in my paper, What is Heat.� Heat
>> is positive ionization and cold is negative ionization. Its all in
>> the conversion of electrons into photons as in the case of positive
>> ionization and the pairing of photons back into electrons, negative
>> ionization,as in the case of cooling. The element Gadolinium
>> accomplishes the conversion in the presence or absence of a magnetic
>> field.� Tesla's Pyro Ferromagnetic Generator worked this way with the
>> molecular phase shift ( face center cubic to body centered cubic) at
>> the thermal curie points of iron.� Everything in chemistry and
>> physics is electrical based.��� Please understand, as an example,
>> boiling water at the phase change into a vapor (positive ionization)
>> electrons are converted into emitted photons, IR radiation and upon
>> cooling the photon pairing provides the electrons for the water
>> stricture to return to the liquid state.� In effect, you have an
>> electron pump as demonstrated by Armstrong's Steam Electrostatic
>> Generator.
>>
>> Here is something very important to consider in the Up and Down
>> conversion of electrons in that at the simple, relative low
>> temperature phase change process as is the case of water, it has been
>> proven that more energy exist at the condensation process (electron
>> paring) over the evaporation process.�� This has been an age old
>> paradox.� When I started exploring the Annihilation-Reconnect
>> phenomenon of magnetic flux, it was obvious that an order of
>> magnitude discrepancy occurs at the conversion of magnetic flux into
>> the photon-virtual photon emission then the paring at the re-connect
>> phase giving the violent EMP pulse.�� Just a thought.� At the super
>> high temperatures (positive ionization) in a hot plasma the energy
>> equation get stood on its ear.� A huge amount of energy is manifest
>> at the Re-connect, down conversion. Magneto-Electric.
>>
>> What is Heat #3
>>
>> For about 10 years I have been studying the effects of
>>
>> heating and cooling associated with the phase change of
>>
>> liquids with the hope of building a simple generator of
>>
>> electrical power around the phenomenon.The reason for this
>>
>> interest is based on the theory that energy can be extracted
>>
>> from the ambient background via thermal differentials.My
>>
>> line of thinking really took off back when I experimented
>>
>> with the all too familiar Peltier junction devices found in
>>
>> electronic cooling devices.Would you believe that most
>>
>> people do not understand how these devices move thermal
>>
>> energy through a current flow across a semiconductor
>>
>> junction.Historically we find that German physicist,
>>
>> Thomas Seebeck back in 1820 observed that when heat was
>>
>> applied to a junction of copper and steel wire that
>>
>> electrical energy resulted.Later in 1834 Jean Peltier
>>
>> discovered that when a direct current was applied to two
>>
>> Dissimilar metals the junction got hot or cold.It was not
>>
>> Until 1838 that Emil Lenz clearly showed the importance of
>>
>> Both Seebeck and Peltier s discoveries by placing a drop of
>>
>> Water on the junction of dissimilar metals which froze then
>>
>> Melted when the polarity of the direct current was
>>
>> Reversed.These discoveries remained dormant for over 100
>>
>> Years because of the unavailability of semiconductor
>>
>> Materials which could provide the wide temperature
>>
>> Differentials.In the 1930 s semiconductor materials became
>>
>> Available which revived the electric cooling principles.In
>>
>> The 1960 s many companies began building spot cooling
>>
>> Devices and refrigerators based on these effects using a
>>
>> Junction material of bismuth-telluride. Today more advanced
>>
>> Materials are used with the basic parameters of being a pore
>>
>> Thermal conductor but being an excellent electrical
>>
>> Conductor. The dissimilar materials must provide a high
>>
>> Coefficient of voltage temperature relationship.The first
>>
>> Peltier devices that I experimented with back about 10 years
>>
>> ago were built by Marlow Industries here in Dallas.With a
>>
>> small temperature differential across the device a weak
>>
>> current with an attendant voltage was developed.Increasing
>>
>> the differential provided a proportional increase in current
>>
>> and voltage.About 6 years ago I posted a chart of the
>>
>> wattage generated from two different size Peltier chips on
>>
>> the Keely Net BBS.My curiosity was based on the puzzle of
>>
>> how electron flow could move thermal energy across the
>>
>> junctions and how electrical energy was produced by moving
>>
>> thermal energy across the junction.This is a directly
>>
>> reversible situation based on polarity.
>>
>> Now let us look at a very familiar parallel process used in
>>
>> refrigeration, cooling and heating devices employing phase
>>
>> change material such as water and refrigerants.We have
>>
>> always been led to believe that evaporating water provided
>>
>> cooling effects which is a mechanical process. By the same
>>
>> mechanical process we are provided heating effects by the
>>
>> condensation of a gas back to a liquid phase change.Would
>>
>> you believe that any material that undergoes a phase change
>>
>> provides an attendant electrical effect.Back in 1840
>>
>> Armstrong invented an electrostatic generator based on
>>
>> escaping steam through insulated nozzles which provided one
>>
>> of the most powerful devices of this type ever built.
>>
>> Popular belief was that this was a frictional process with
>>
>> the electrical output resulting from the steam friction
>>
>> passing through the nozzles.After reading an old (1920 s)
>>
>> Thermodynamics in Chemistry text book I realized that the
>>
>> phase change of materials was an electrical phenomenon and
>>
>> not purely mechanical.The atoms of the material lose or
>>
>> gain electrons in the process which accounts for the
>>
>> discrepancy in the energy equation when a material
>>
>> transitions between phases.More energy is present after
>>
>> the phase change back to the lower form or atomic state. The
>>
>> text book stated that this phenomenon could not be
>>
>> explained.When Jerry and I attended a Conference hosted by
>>
>> Hal Puthoff down in Austin back about 6 years ago a
>>
>> Physicist from Austria presented a paper on the phase change
>>
>> of water and the attendant electrical phenomenon which is
>>
>> totally not understood by modern science.Now my suspicions
>>
>> were confirmed that phase changes of materials are an
>>
>> electrostatic phenomenon, which leads us to the fundamental
>>
>> question of,What is heat?We were told in theschool
>>
>> that heat is the presence of energy and cool is the absence
>>
>> of energy.What is the form of this energy?Let us look at
>>
>> a very simple example of heating which may explain this
>>
>> process.When sunlight strikes an absorbing surface it is
>>
>> heated because electrons in the material are converted to
>>
>> photons which are emitted in the infrared band of light
>>
>> leaving the material in a net positive state or hot.The
>>
>> more electrons a material loses the hotter it becomes.Now
>>
>> the inverse situation is explored by evaporating some water
>>
>> from the surface of a material which leaves the surface in a
>>
>> net negative state or cold.Heat or cold is based on the
>>
>> ion relationship in the material.When we apply a flame
>>
>> (ionizing) to a material we cause the emission of photons
>>
>> which is basically stripping away electrons from the atomic
>>
>> structure causing a gross net positive situation to occur.
>>
>> Now we are getting a picture as to how an electric current
>>
>> across the Peltier junction can transport thermal energy
>>
>> (ions).Since the energy is in the form of presence or
>>
>> absence of electrons then it is a simple explanation as to
>>
>> how the process works.All phase change processes work the
>>
>> same way basically via ion transport and are not mechanical
>>
>> processes which we were taught.Everythingin chemistry is
>>
>> an electrical or electrostatic process at the atomic level
>>
>> based on the ionized state of the atoms involved.
>>
>> At a Vanguard Science Roundtable discussion several years ago
>>
>> we talked about the ion wind method of fire fighting in
>>
>> which ionized air will extinguish a flame because of the
>>
>> cooling effects.Now we see Patents issued based on
>>
>> negative ion spraying of a surface causing it to rapidly
>>
>> cool because it becomes net negative charged.This is a
>>
>> very efficient method of air-conditioning because an ion
>>
>> generator operates at very high voltages with very little
>>
>> current involved.It is possible to develop this ion
>>
>> transport (thermal energy) to provide direct electrical
>>
>> output from very subtle temperature differentials.Remember
>>
>> that this is a direct reversible process where a thermal
>>
>> differential will cause a development of current and voltage
>>
>> as in the Peltier device.I hope that this dialog will
>>
>> provide some food for thought out there on the Keely Net.
>>
>> Please provide some feedback on this very interesting line
>>
>> of experimentation.Norm
>>
>> On 1/19/2019 9:16 AM, Warren Keillor [email protected]
>> <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>
>>> Bart
>>>
>>> Years ago, you made up a prototype experiment, using a rotor, with
>>> slanted magnets, much like some self runners seem to be displaying.
>>> Perhaps, it might be re-cycled, using these new magnets, with that
>>> heat, cold, function, when driven?
>>> The trick is to see exactly where this heat, and cold actually
>>> appear, in order to exploit this phenomenon.
>>> Then measuring how much energy is detected, and how much energy was
>>> used to make it happen needs to be tested.
>>> Designing a good test is the challenge.
>>> Even if it matches contemporary refrigeration, or heating systems,
>>> it might be a contender, to be competitive, if simple enough.
>>> Cheers Warren
>>>
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>>> On Sat, 19 Jan 2019 at 8:22 AM, [email protected]
>>> <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY]
>>> <[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Bart
>>> I think I read about this before from some info you sent, in a
>>> nutshell, a strong neodymium magnet being pushed towards the
>>> gandolimium (sp?)stuff vrestez heat, but when it pulls away it
>>> creates cold (other way around?) So its not too difficult to
>>> make something mechanical or rotating to createheatorcold or
>>> both...maybe they are using the super strong magnets now newly
>>> available Norm posted rabout recently(N60 type?)
>>> Kone
>>>
>>