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On 1/22/2019 6:18 AM, Norman Wootan wrote:
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> On 1/22/2019 6:14 AM, Norman Wootan wrote:
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>> To all on this dialog list, I will attempt to respond to Bart's
>> questions as to defining HEAT and COLD. First I must say that I am a,
>> somewhat amateur researcher sort of like the Good Old Boy Red Neck
>> that has an Oldsmobile Toronado (48 Oldsmobile with mud grip tires on
>> front wheels) on wood blocks in front yard. You just have to address
>> humor with a little humorous feed back.� Bart's question is in regard
>> to an age old paradox that was found way back around turn of the
>> Century and was written about in Thermodynamics of Chemistry Text
>> Books. When studying the phase change of water, we know that in a
>> closed system (evaporator/ condenser) with very careful
>> instrumentation (caloriometer) it was found that there was more
>> caloric energy present on the condensation side of the equation
>> which, to this day remains unexplained by the very best scholars.�
>> After studying Tesla's Pyro Ferromagnetic Generator, I wanted to know
>> how the phase change of a material could provide an electrical
>> output. That is how I got into researching the Armstrong
>> Electrostatic Generator that used condensing steam in an insulated
>> discharge nozzle to accumulate a very powerful electrical charge.� It
>> has been very recent research developments that help us understand
>> this phenomenon which has to do with the photon/ virtual photon
>> puzzle.� Digress here. Back in 1995, Jerry Decker, Cheyenne Turner
>> and I attended a Conference down in Austin, TX hosted by Hal Puthoff,
>> EarthTech.� A physicists from Austria did a presentation on the very
>> subject that I was researching which was the Paradox over the water
>> phase change phenomenon. As he explained, no one has solved the
>> obvious in-balance in the energy equation.� BTW, during Dr. John
>> Bockris, TA&M presentation on The Lateral Transmutation of Elements
>> in the Cold Fusion Cell (Bockris/ Bass Patent application)� Dr.
>> Puthoff's lab assistant dropped dead in the back of the room due to a
>> burst coronary artery.� See:
>> https://www.elsevier.com/books/chemical-thermodynamics/rouquerol/978-0-08-021366-8
>>
>> https://www.researchgate.net/publication/295087583_Chemical_Thermodynamics
>> Very important read.
>>
>> See attachment for full PDF.�� If you don't understand the
>> information in this PDF, you need to take your ball and bat home
>> cause you are trying to play in the wrong ballpark.� ( pleae download
>> PDF, 16mb, too, large for YAHOO)
>>
>> http://www.businessdictionary.com/definition/British-thermal-unit-Btu.html
>>
>> https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gas_burner I put this document in
>> here which I think old Warren will appreciate cause he sees the
>> ionization phenomenon every time he lights up his Oxy/Acetylene torch
>> and adjust the flame. You have to go back and read the works of Tesla
>> to understand that a flame is an electrical phenomenon that Tesla was
>> very proud of his exact replication of the flame via electricity.
>> Very rapid positive ionization (combustion) yields the photon
>> emission in the various wavelengths of visible light based on the
>> temperatures present or created in the process. Take the old
>> Oxy/Acetylene flame for an example. When you light up, you get the
>> orange light wave length photon emission and a lot of soot due to
>> incomplete combustion. When the flame is leaned off to the ideal
>> Complete combustion (no soot, and more blue-like flame is the key)
>> (Stoichiometric) mix you get the emission of the blue wavelengths
>> which are super high in caloric value. See burn temperature table of
>> common gasses. Bart, I hope this will sort of clear up your
>> questions.� Norm
>>
>>
>> On 1/21/2019 7:13 PM, bart woodard [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>
>>> Norman,
>>> �������������� Ok , I started chewing on this and will continue to
>>> do so until some value has resolved itself lets hope.
>>> Question.. according to this read and study you are saying
>>> condensation (electron pairing)has a higher value of charge with in
>>> vs any other state? correct?
>>> It does this more so on its descent.
>>> If so� a condensation "tank" constructed if you will would be able
>>> to employ itself as an on going capacitor.
>>> So then the next challenge would be to construct an on going
>>> environment of static value. Are you also stating that once its
>>> discharged it has nothing left of itself to continue producing the
>>> calculative like event ongoing? emp Unless otherwise the event is
>>> set up to recycle? Once temps have peaked could not the peltiers
>>> come in to play for ongoing maintenance values for input?
>>>
>>> 1/ Built two projects in the past one being like the crystal
>>> compression some one posted a while back and had a very high scary
>>> freakish shock to it.
>>> �� I also coiled a copper pipe spiral like above the device and
>>> found it also gave off a smaller value .
>>> Once I took it to a dc motor and it did effect the rpm slightly? It
>>> was odd results and study.
>>> Also as Hector mentioned the devices worked more efficiently pointed
>>> North. I have found this to be true.
>>> Sometimes 1- 3% noticeably pending outside temperatures.
>>>
>>> 2/ In the relationship of photons to heat charge I did this
>>> experiment...
>>> I took a plastic tank the farmers use for spraying. Thinking 1000
>>> liter, I constructed 200watt leds inside on the top.
>>> On the bottom outlet I recycled the water bring it back to the top
>>> using a pipe and installed an in line vortex with 500 n52 with a
>>> disruptive design inside.
>>> The purpose was to see if I could maintain an ongoing charge with in
>>> the water structure with out using additives.� Was also thinking of
>>> my pool and hot tub water.
>>> I hooked up to a row of cucumbers 150ft long in a green house. With
>>> out using no more than 5% of their usual ingredient I ran it for two
>>> weeks.
>>> It maintained its standard ec value and flourished. It bloomed more
>>> than the other rows and had better tasting cucumbers lol.
>>> You may think the mags did it by them selves, yes but how ever for
>>> two weeks? Same water? The temp came up via the led and taco pump
>>> collecting
>>> a charge combined with the light and mags to my understandings
>>> enhancing the ec.
>>>
>>> Bart
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> *From:* [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of
>>> Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] <[email protected]>
>>> *Sent:* January 21, 2019 6:53 AM
>>> *To:* [email protected]; Bert Pool; Bob Paddock; joel mcclain;
>>> Lane Wootan; Mbking42; Steven Elswick; Walt; Angel Alvarez; Fredric
>>> Fletcher; Jon Gentry; Jeane Manning; Toby Grotz
>>> *Subject:* Re: [EVGRAY] plasma magnet
>>>
>>> Ok, Guys, remember what I told you in my paper, What is Heat.� Heat
>>> is positive ionization and cold is negative ionization. Its all in
>>> the conversion of electrons into photons as in the case of positive
>>> ionization and the pairing of photons back into electrons, negative
>>> ionization,as in the case of cooling. The element Gadolinium
>>> accomplishes the conversion in the presence or absence of a magnetic
>>> field.� Tesla's Pyro Ferromagnetic Generator worked this way with
>>> the molecular phase shift ( face center cubic to body centered
>>> cubic) at the thermal curie points of iron.� Everything in chemistry
>>> and physics is electrical based.��� Please understand, as an
>>> example, boiling water at the phase change into a vapor (positive
>>> ionization) electrons are converted into emitted photons, IR
>>> radiation and upon cooling the photon pairing provides the electrons
>>> for the water stricture to return to the liquid state.� In effect,
>>> you have an electron pump as demonstrated by Armstrong's Steam
>>> Electrostatic Generator.
>>>
>>> Here is something very important to consider in the Up and Down
>>> conversion of electrons in that at the simple, relative low
>>> temperature phase change process as is the case of water, it has
>>> been proven that more energy exist at the condensation process
>>> (electron paring) over the evaporation process.�� This has been an
>>> age old paradox.� When I started exploring the
>>> Annihilation-Reconnect phenomenon of magnetic flux, it was obvious
>>> that an order of magnitude discrepancy occurs at the conversion of
>>> magnetic flux into the photon-virtual photon emission then the
>>> paring at the re-connect phase giving the violent EMP pulse.�� Just
>>> a thought.� At the super high temperatures (positive ionization) in
>>> a hot plasma the energy equation get stood on its ear.� A huge
>>> amount of energy is manifest at the Re-connect, down conversion.
>>> Magneto-Electric.
>>>
>>> What is Heat #3
>>>
>>> For about 10 years I have been studying the effects of
>>>
>>> heating and cooling associated with the phase change of
>>>
>>> liquids with the hope of building a simple generator of
>>>
>>> electrical power around the phenomenon.The reason for this
>>>
>>> interest is based on the theory that energy can be extracted
>>>
>>> from the ambient background via thermal differentials.My
>>>
>>> line of thinking really took off back when I experimented
>>>
>>> with the all too familiar Peltier junction devices found in
>>>
>>> electronic cooling devices.Would you believe that most
>>>
>>> people do not understand how these devices move thermal
>>>
>>> energy through a current flow across a semiconductor
>>>
>>> junction.Historically we find that German physicist,
>>>
>>> Thomas Seebeck back in 1820 observed that when heat was
>>>
>>> applied to a junction of copper and steel wire that
>>>
>>> electrical energy resulted.Later in 1834 Jean Peltier
>>>
>>> discovered that when a direct current was applied to two
>>>
>>> Dissimilar metals the junction got hot or cold.It was not
>>>
>>> Until 1838 that Emil Lenz clearly showed the importance of
>>>
>>> Both Seebeck and Peltier s discoveries by placing a drop of
>>>
>>> Water on the junction of dissimilar metals which froze then
>>>
>>> Melted when the polarity of the direct current was
>>>
>>> Reversed.These discoveries remained dormant for over 100
>>>
>>> Years because of the unavailability of semiconductor
>>>
>>> Materials which could provide the wide temperature
>>>
>>> Differentials.In the 1930 s semiconductor materials became
>>>
>>> Available which revived the electric cooling principles.In
>>>
>>> The 1960 s many companies began building spot cooling
>>>
>>> Devices and refrigerators based on these effects using a
>>>
>>> Junction material of bismuth-telluride. Today more advanced
>>>
>>> Materials are used with the basic parameters of being a pore
>>>
>>> Thermal conductor but being an excellent electrical
>>>
>>> Conductor. The dissimilar materials must provide a high
>>>
>>> Coefficient of voltage temperature relationship.The first
>>>
>>> Peltier devices that I experimented with back about 10 years
>>>
>>> ago were built by Marlow Industries here in Dallas.With a
>>>
>>> small temperature differential across the device a weak
>>>
>>> current with an attendant voltage was developed.Increasing
>>>
>>> the differential provided a proportional increase in current
>>>
>>> and voltage.About 6 years ago I posted a chart of the
>>>
>>> wattage generated from two different size Peltier chips on
>>>
>>> the Keely Net BBS.My curiosity was based on the puzzle of
>>>
>>> how electron flow could move thermal energy across the
>>>
>>> junctions and how electrical energy was produced by moving
>>>
>>> thermal energy across the junction.This is a directly
>>>
>>> reversible situation based on polarity.
>>>
>>> Now let us look at a very familiar parallel process used in
>>>
>>> refrigeration, cooling and heating devices employing phase
>>>
>>> change material such as water and refrigerants.We have
>>>
>>> always been led to believe that evaporating water provided
>>>
>>> cooling effects which is a mechanical process. By the same
>>>
>>> mechanical process we are provided heating effects by the
>>>
>>> condensation of a gas back to a liquid phase change.Would
>>>
>>> you believe that any material that undergoes a phase change
>>>
>>> provides an attendant electrical effect.Back in 1840
>>>
>>> Armstrong invented an electrostatic generator based on
>>>
>>> escaping steam through insulated nozzles which provided one
>>>
>>> of the most powerful devices of this type ever built.
>>>
>>> Popular belief was that this was a frictional process with
>>>
>>> the electrical output resulting from the steam friction
>>>
>>> passing through the nozzles.After reading an old (1920 s)
>>>
>>> Thermodynamics in Chemistry text book I realized that the
>>>
>>> phase change of materials was an electrical phenomenon and
>>>
>>> not purely mechanical.The atoms of the material lose or
>>>
>>> gain electrons in the process which accounts for the
>>>
>>> discrepancy in the energy equation when a material
>>>
>>> transitions between phases.More energy is present after
>>>
>>> the phase change back to the lower form or atomic state. The
>>>
>>> text book stated that this phenomenon could not be
>>>
>>> explained.When Jerry and I attended a Conference hosted by
>>>
>>> Hal Puthoff down in Austin back about 6 years ago a
>>>
>>> Physicist from Austria presented a paper on the phase change
>>>
>>> of water and the attendant electrical phenomenon which is
>>>
>>> totally not understood by modern science.Now my suspicions
>>>
>>> were confirmed that phase changes of materials are an
>>>
>>> electrostatic phenomenon, which leads us to the fundamental
>>>
>>> question of,What is heat?We were told in theschool
>>>
>>> that heat is the presence of energy and cool is the absence
>>>
>>> of energy.What is the form of this energy?Let us look at
>>>
>>> a very simple example of heating which may explain this
>>>
>>> process.When sunlight strikes an absorbing surface it is
>>>
>>> heated because electrons in the material are converted to
>>>
>>> photons which are emitted in the infrared band of light
>>>
>>> leaving the material in a net positive state or hot.The
>>>
>>> more electrons a material loses the hotter it becomes.Now
>>>
>>> the inverse situation is explored by evaporating some water
>>>
>>> from the surface of a material which leaves the surface in a
>>>
>>> net negative state or cold.Heat or cold is based on the
>>>
>>> ion relationship in the material.When we apply a flame
>>>
>>> (ionizing) to a material we cause the emission of photons
>>>
>>> which is basically stripping away electrons from the atomic
>>>
>>> structure causing a gross net positive situation to occur.
>>>
>>> Now we are getting a picture as to how an electric current
>>>
>>> across the Peltier junction can transport thermal energy
>>>
>>> (ions).Since the energy is in the form of presence or
>>>
>>> absence of electrons then it is a simple explanation as to
>>>
>>> how the process works.All phase change processes work the
>>>
>>> same way basically via ion transport and are not mechanical
>>>
>>> processes which we were taught.Everythingin chemistry is
>>>
>>> an electrical or electrostatic process at the atomic level
>>>
>>> based on the ionized state of the atoms involved.
>>>
>>> At a Vanguard Science Roundtable discussion several years ago
>>>
>>> we talked about the ion wind method of fire fighting in
>>>
>>> which ionized air will extinguish a flame because of the
>>>
>>> cooling effects.Now we see Patents issued based on
>>>
>>> negative ion spraying of a surface causing it to rapidly
>>>
>>> cool because it becomes net negative charged.This is a
>>>
>>> very efficient method of air-conditioning because an ion
>>>
>>> generator operates at very high voltages with very little
>>>
>>> current involved.It is possible to develop this ion
>>>
>>> transport (thermal energy) to provide direct electrical
>>>
>>> output from very subtle temperature differentials.Remember
>>>
>>> that this is a direct reversible process where a thermal
>>>
>>> differential will cause a development of current and voltage
>>>
>>> as in the Peltier device.I hope that this dialog will
>>>
>>> provide some food for thought out there on the Keely Net.
>>>
>>> Please provide some feedback on this very interesting line
>>>
>>> of experimentation.Norm
>>>
>>> On 1/19/2019 9:16 AM, Warren Keillor [email protected]
>>> <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Bart
>>>>
>>>> Years ago, you made up a prototype experiment, using a rotor, with
>>>> slanted magnets, much like some self runners seem to be displaying.
>>>> Perhaps, it might be re-cycled, using these new magnets, with that
>>>> heat, cold, function, when driven?
>>>> The trick is to see exactly where this heat, and cold actually
>>>> appear, in order to exploit this phenomenon.
>>>> Then measuring how much energy is detected, and how much energy was
>>>> used to make it happen needs to be tested.
>>>> Designing a good test is the challenge.
>>>> Even if it matches contemporary refrigeration, or heating systems,
>>>> it might be a contender, to be competitive, if simple enough.
>>>> Cheers Warren
>>>>
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>>>>
>>>> On Sat, 19 Jan 2019 at 8:22 AM, [email protected]
>>>> <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY]
>>>> <[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi Bart
>>>> I think I read about this before from some info you sent, in a
>>>> nutshell, a strong neodymium magnet being pushed towards the
>>>> gandolimium (sp?)stuff vrestez heat, but when it pulls away it
>>>> creates cold (other way around?) So its not too difficult to
>>>> make something mechanical or rotating to createheatorcold or
>>>> both...maybe they are using the super strong magnets now newly
>>>> available Norm posted rabout recently(N60 type?)
>>>> Kone
>>>>
>>>