An old idea

Hector's Rotorvertor works.One can harvest AC from the series circuit with the capacitors, with a factor of 1.614 times the input, as tested by myself. Others have achieved 1.618 times, doing a bit better, scrubbing the grease from the bearings, and removing the neoprene seals.(This is over unity by standards, that Tiller, and Bearden, should have noted)Moving on, what would be the problem with energising the Transvertor using this capacitor circuit from the Rotovertor?
I'm sure that Hector has done this a million times and powers his appartment building, just so, but it only occured to me now, to try to do this with that monster three phase transformer, I have been dragging around several hundred miles, after being a 450 lb toe stubber in my studio in Toronto.Duh, what if I tune, to power the first winding of that transformer, using my 3 hp WEG Rotovertor, as a source of AC?My capacitor tuning box has a fairly good range of capability of capacitance, and 600 volt oil filled capacitors.Could a country bumkin, like myself, then take power from the third coil of the big three phase tranaformer?Would it be a compounded factor of efficiency around 1.614 X 1.614, or would....nothing happen....nothing significant, just a meter twitch....120 volts in, 120 volts out...how about 220 volts in, and 220 volts out?All that is mere speculation, except for the Rotovertor which we have established the performance of.Sven is working away on the firing up of a Transvertor transformer.I am awaiting heat in my stone workshop, just so the Rotovertor doesn't bog down in its own solidified grease. Then there is the issue of picking up that transformer, using the Cat excavator to move it into the warm, cozy, heated, stone barn, before the big snow comes.I am curious if anybody has bothered with such an experiment, such as this, and if so, how did they go about it?Way back when, we had a file of pictures for each of us, on yahoo.For somebody like me, it was great to be able to check out everyone's file, to see the various projects on the go.Also, for the future, I thought it would be there, as history, a comforting thought.As it is, we are free to bumble along, repeating each other's failed experiments, and not trying to replicate the successes, trial and error, without checking the history.1.614X 1.614?Cheers Warren
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Warren
I've heard of people using a deep well like 350 ft down for heat pumps it
seems it gets hot down there .and can be used for heating and energy
extraction ..probley not cheap .

On Friday, December 7, 2018, Warren Keillor [email protected]
[EVGRAY] <[email protected]> wrote:

>
>
> Hector's Rotorvertor works.
> One can harvest AC from the series circuit with the capacitors, with a
> factor of 1.614 times the input, as tested by myself. Others have achieved
> 1.618 times, doing a bit better, scrubbing the grease from the bearings,
> and removing the neoprene seals.
> (This is over unity by standards, that Tiller, and Bearden, should have
> noted)
> Moving on, what would be the problem with energising the Transvertor using
> this capacitor circuit from the Rotovertor?
> I'm sure that Hector has done this a million times and powers his
> appartment building, just so, but it only occured to me now, to try to do
> this with that monster three phase transformer, I have been dragging around
> several hundred miles, after being a 450 lb toe stubber in my studio in
> Toronto.
> Duh, what if I tune, to power the first winding of that transformer, using
> my 3 hp WEG Rotovertor, as a source of AC?
> My capacitor tuning box has a fairly good range of capability of
> capacitance, and 600 volt oil filled capacitors.
> Could a country bumkin, like myself, then take power from the third coil
> of the big three phase tranaformer?
> Would it be a compounded factor of efficiency around 1.614 X 1.614, or
> would....nothing happen....nothing significant, just a meter twitch....120
> volts in, 120 volts out...how about 220 volts in, and 220 volts out?
> All that is mere speculation, except for the Rotovertor which we have
> established the performance of.
> Sven is working away on the firing up of a Transvertor transformer.
> I am awaiting heat in my stone workshop, just so the Rotovertor doesn't
> bog down in its own solidified grease. Then there is the issue of picking
> up that transformer, using the Cat excavator to move it into the warm,
> cozy, heated, stone barn, before the big snow comes.
> I am curious if anybody has bothered with such an experiment, such as
> this, and if so, how did they go about it?
> Way back when, we had a file of pictures for each of us, on yahoo.
> For somebody like me, it was great to be able to check out everyone's
> file, to see the various projects on the go.
> Also, for the future, I thought it would be there, as history, a
> comforting thought.
> As it is, we are free to bumble along, repeating each other's failed
> experiments, and not trying to replicate the successes, trial and error,
> without checking the history.
> 1.614X 1.614?
> Cheers Warren
>
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
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JamesI considered ground source heat, but the Canadian Shield bed rock is only 46" down. I have an excavator, but that is the limit, unless I cas n ft. Ind deeper pockets of soil on the property. I then seriously considered building a hydraulic drilling rig attachment, in addition to the hydraulic thumb, I have already made, and found super useful for rocks, and big lengths of timber.I already have a big pipe chuck, and spare hydraulic motor, that could quick connect into the digger.It would just need a boom, able to handle the length of a drill casing, and a diamond drill head, for drilling rock, that could fit on those pins, where the bucket goes.
However, we will see how it goes with the air to liquid heat pump, supposedly able to wrench heat out of chilly -30C air. It has already been -16C in November, and is pretty crispy out there tonight.It will be another two weeks before the pump gets turned on, when my friend Mike arrives from Toronto, to finish it.The local hardware store just phoned saying my Quebec made wood stove is in.I also have as part of the heat pump system, a conventional domestic electric hot water tank, all nicely insulated to latest code, that of course, has resistance elements.How could it be bad to fire those elements up with 220 volts of voodoo power we can make?Cheers Warren
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  On Fri, 7 Dec 2018 at 6:43 PM, James Glinski [email protected] [EVGRAY]<[email protected]> wrote:       
Warren
I've heard of people using a deep well like 350 ft down for heat pumps it seems it gets hot down there .and can be used for heating and energy extraction ..probley not cheap .

On Friday, December 7, 2018, Warren Keillor [email protected] [EVGRAY] <[email protected]> wrote:

     
Hector's Rotorvertor works.
One can harvest AC from the series circuit with the capacitors, with a factor of 1.614 times the input, as tested by myself. Others have achieved 1.618 times, doing a bit better, scrubbing the grease from the bearings, and removing the neoprene seals.(This is over unity by standards, that Tiller, and Bearden, should have noted)Moving on, what would be the problem with energising the Transvertor using this capacitor circuit from the Rotovertor?
I'm sure that Hector has done this a million times and powers his appartment building, just so, but it only occured to me now, to try to do this with that monster three phase transformer, I have been dragging around several hundred miles, after being a 450 lb toe stubber in my studio in Toronto.Duh, what if I tune, to power the first winding of that transformer, using my 3 hp WEG Rotovertor, as a source of AC?My capacitor tuning box has a fairly good range of capability of capacitance, and 600 volt oil filled capacitors.Could a country bumkin, like myself, then take power from the third coil of the big three phase tranaformer?Would it be a compounded factor of efficiency around 1.614 X 1.614, or would....nothing happen....nothing significant, just a meter twitch....120 volts in, 120 volts out...how about 220 volts in, and 220 volts out?All that is mere speculation, except for the Rotovertor which we have established the performance of.Sven is working away on the firing up of a Transvertor transformer.I am awaiting heat in my stone workshop, just so the Rotovertor doesn't bog down in its own solidified grease. Then there is the issue of picking up that transformer, using the Cat excavator to move it into the warm, cozy, heated, stone barn, before the big snow comes.I am curious if anybody has bothered with such an experiment, such as this, and if so, how did they go about it?Way back when, we had a file of pictures for each of us, on yahoo.For somebody like me, it was great to be able to check out everyone's file, to see the various projects on the go.Also, for the future, I thought it would be there, as history, a comforting thought.As it is, we are free to bumble along, repeating each other's failed experiments, and not trying to replicate the successes, trial and error, without checking the history.1.614X 1.614?Cheers Warren
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James, Heat pumping works due to thermal differentials. Believe it or 
not but Industrial MVR (Mechanical Vapor Re-compression) has achieved a 
fantastic 40:1 COP. Domestic Heat Pumps run around a COP of 6:1. (scroll 
compressors).  See:

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-temperature-of-the-earths-inter/

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geothermal_heat_pump



On 12/7/2018 5:34 PM, James Glinski [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>
> Warren
>
> I've heard of people using a deep well like 350 ft down for heat pumps 
> it seems it gets hot down there .and can be used for heating and 
> energy extraction ..probley not cheap .
>
> On Friday, December 7, 2018, Warren Keillor 
> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> 
> [EVGRAY] <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>
>     Hector's Rotorvertor works.
>
>     One can harvest AC from the series circuit with the capacitors,
>     with a factor of 1.614 times the input, as tested by myself.
>     Others have achieved 1.618 times, doing a bit better, scrubbing
>     the grease from the bearings, and removing the neoprene seals.
>     (This is over unity by standards, that Tiller, and Bearden, should
>     have noted)
>     Moving on, what would be the problem with energising the
>     Transvertor using this capacitor circuit from the Rotovertor?
>     I'm sure that Hector has done this a million times and powers his
>     appartment building, just so, but it only occured to me now, to
>     try to do this with that monster three phase transformer, I have
>     been dragging around several hundred miles, after being a 450 lb
>     toe stubber in my studio in Toronto.
>     Duh, what if I tune, to power the first winding of that
>     transformer, using my 3 hp WEG Rotovertor, as a source of AC?
>     My capacitor tuning box has a fairly good range of capability of
>     capacitance, and 600 volt oil filled capacitors.
>     Could a country bumkin, like myself, then take power from the
>     third coil of the big three phase tranaformer?
>     Would it be a compounded factor of efficiency around 1.614 X
>     1.614, or would....nothing happen....nothing significant, just a
>     meter twitch....120 volts in, 120 volts out...how about 220 volts
>     in, and 220 volts out?
>     All that is mere speculation, except for the Rotovertor which we
>     have established the performance of.
>     Sven is working away on the firing up of a Transvertor transformer.
>     I am awaiting heat in my stone workshop, just so the Rotovertor
>     doesn't bog down in its own solidified grease. Then there is the
>     issue of picking up that transformer, using the Cat excavator to
>     move it into the warm, cozy, heated, stone barn, before the big
>     snow comes.
>     I am curious if anybody has bothered with such an experiment, such
>     as this, and if so, how did they go about it?
>     Way back when, we had a file of pictures for each of us, on yahoo.
>     For somebody like me, it was great to be able to check out
>     everyone's file, to see the various projects on the go.
>     Also, for the future, I thought it would be there, as history, a
>     comforting thought.
>     As it is, we are free to bumble along, repeating each other's
>     failed experiments, and not trying to replicate the successes,
>     trial and error, without checking the history.
>     1.614X 1.614?
>     Cheers Warren
>
>     Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
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>
>

The COP increases with less differential temperature between the cold and hot side of the heat pump.
https://wiki2.org/en/Coefficient_of_performance https://wiki2.org/en/Coefficient_of_performance
With the outside air temperatures that Warren mentions the inside temperature must be quite low to get the high COP. Heating all the floor keeps the hot side at a lower temperature but with down to -30 degrees Celsius and perhaps +30 degrees Celsius on the floor this amounts to 60 degrees C or K in difference. I doubt the COP is high at these extremes. Perhaps it's still better than pure resistance heating.

Regards
Ole
 

---In [email protected], <nwootan@...> wrote :

 James, Heat pumping works due to thermal differentials. Believe it or not but Industrial MVR (Mechanical Vapor Re-compression) has achieved a fantastic 40:1 COP. Domestic Heat Pumps run around a COP of 6:1. (scroll compressors).  See:  

 https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-temperature-of-the-earths-inter/ https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-temperature-of-the-earths-inter/

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geothermal_heat_pump https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geothermal_heat_pump



 On 12/7/2018 5:34 PM, James Glinski jglinski01@... mailto:jglinski01@... [EVGRAY] wrote:

   Warren
 I've heard of people using a deep well like 350 ft down for heat pumps it seems it gets hot down there .and can be used for heating and energy extraction ..probley not cheap .
 
 On Friday, December 7, 2018, Warren Keillor schoonersolsticemoon@... mailto:schoonersolsticemoon@... [EVGRAY] <[email protected] mailto:[email protected]> wrote:
   Hector's Rotorvertor works.
 One can harvest AC from the series circuit with the capacitors, with a factor of 1.614 times the input, as tested by myself. Others have achieved 1.618 times, doing a bit better, scrubbing the grease from the bearings, and removing the neoprene seals.
 (This is over unity by standards, that Tiller, and Bearden, should have noted)
 Moving on, what would be the problem with energising the Transvertor using this capacitor circuit from the Rotovertor?
 I'm sure that Hector has done this a million times and powers his appartment building, just so, but it only occured to me now, to try to do this with that monster three phase transformer, I have been dragging around several hundred miles, after being a 450 lb toe stubber in my studio in Toronto.
 Duh, what if I tune, to power the first winding of that transformer, using my 3 hp WEG Rotovertor, as a source of AC?
 My capacitor tuning box has a fairly good range of capability of capacitance, and 600 volt oil filled capacitors.
 Could a country bumkin, like myself, then take power from the third coil of the big three phase tranaformer?
 Would it be a compounded factor of efficiency around 1.614 X 1.614, or would....nothing happen....nothing significant, just a meter twitch....120 volts in, 120 volts out...how about 220 volts in, and 220 volts out?
 All that is mere speculation, except for the Rotovertor which we have established the performance of.
 Sven is working away on the firing up of a Transvertor transformer.
 I am awaiting heat in my stone workshop, just so the Rotovertor doesn't bog down in its own solidified grease. Then there is the issue of picking up that transformer, using the Cat excavator to move it into the warm, cozy, heated, stone barn, before the big snow comes.
 I am curious if anybody has bothered with such an experiment, such as this, and if so, how did they go about it?
 Way back when, we had a file of pictures for each of us, on yahoo.
 For somebody like me, it was great to be able to check out everyone's file, to see the various projects on the go.
 Also, for the future, I thought it would be there, as history, a comforting thought.
 As it is, we are free to bumble along, repeating each other's failed experiments, and not trying to replicate the successes, trial and error, without checking the history.
 1.614X 1.614?
 Cheers Warren
 
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Thanks norm will look in to it   Warren a couple of thisngs  one you could
go to r30 insulation like they use in Alaska .or use propane pluse heating
...very good for max thermal useage with propane .or see if they have
natural gas available in your area .that's best ..no storage .....I like
the r30 because it's a one time expenditure. And lasts for a life time .but
a combo of pluse and r30 would be sweet ...on another topic I was wondering
if you might know what kind of out put you might get on your RV if you ran
it on 220 v ?.with a 220 v Variac ?..thing Hector could stop fighting
acilies long enough to say ?. Marry Christmas guys good hunting .

On Saturday, December 8, 2018, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] <
[email protected]> wrote:

>
>
> James, Heat pumping works due to thermal differentials. Believe it or not
> but Industrial MVR (Mechanical Vapor Re-compression) has achieved a
> fantastic 40:1 COP. Domestic Heat Pumps run around a COP of 6:1. (scroll
> compressors).  See:
>
> https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-temperature-of-the-earths-inter/
> https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geothermal_heat_pump
>
>
>  On 12/7/2018 5:34 PM, James Glinski [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>
>
>
> Warren
> I've heard of people using a deep well like 350 ft down for heat pumps it
> seems it gets hot down there .and can be used for heating and energy
> extraction ..probley not cheap .
>
> On Friday, December 7, 2018, Warren Keillor [email protected]
> [EVGRAY] <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Hector's Rotorvertor works.
>> One can harvest AC from the series circuit with the capacitors, with a
>> factor of 1.614 times the input, as tested by myself. Others have achieved
>> 1.618 times, doing a bit better, scrubbing the grease from the bearings,
>> and removing the neoprene seals.
>> (This is over unity by standards, that Tiller, and Bearden, should have
>> noted)
>> Moving on, what would be the problem with energising the Transvertor
>> using this capacitor circuit from the Rotovertor?
>> I'm sure that Hector has done this a million times and powers his
>> appartment building, just so, but it only occured to me now, to try to do
>> this with that monster three phase transformer, I have been dragging around
>> several hundred miles, after being a 450 lb toe stubber in my studio in
>> Toronto.
>> Duh, what if I tune, to power the first winding of that transformer,
>> using my 3 hp WEG Rotovertor, as a source of AC?
>> My capacitor tuning box has a fairly good range of capability of
>> capacitance, and 600 volt oil filled capacitors.
>> Could a country bumkin, like myself, then take power from the third coil
>> of the big three phase tranaformer?
>> Would it be a compounded factor of efficiency around 1.614 X 1.614, or
>> would....nothing happen....nothing significant, just a meter twitch....120
>> volts in, 120 volts out...how about 220 volts in, and 220 volts out?
>> All that is mere speculation, except for the Rotovertor which we have
>> established the performance of.
>> Sven is working away on the firing up of a Transvertor transformer.
>> I am awaiting heat in my stone workshop, just so the Rotovertor doesn't
>> bog down in its own solidified grease. Then there is the issue of picking
>> up that transformer, using the Cat excavator to move it into the warm,
>> cozy, heated, stone barn, before the big snow comes.
>> I am curious if anybody has bothered with such an experiment, such as
>> this, and if so, how did they go about it?
>> Way back when, we had a file of pictures for each of us, on yahoo.
>> For somebody like me, it was great to be able to check out everyone's
>> file, to see the various projects on the go.
>> Also, for the future, I thought it would be there, as history, a
>> comforting thought.
>> As it is, we are free to bumble along, repeating each other's failed
>> experiments, and not trying to replicate the successes, trial and error,
>> without checking the history.
>> 1.614X 1.614?
>> Cheers Warren
>>
>> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
>> <https://go.onelink.me/107872968?pid=InProduct&c=Global_Internal_YGrowth_AndroidEmailSig__AndroidUsers&af_wl=ym&af_sub1=Internal&af_sub2=Global_YGrowth&af_sub3=EmailSignature>
>>
> 
>

Warren something else ..a Russian fire place is very good on wood and safe
.and if you have some land plant sorghum  and put it Thu crushers to
release the sugar water and make alcohol for your vehicles and rocking a
generator .the crushed left over turn to bio char and greatly improve your
fields .it last for thousands of years the worms love it and it's a home
for billions of bacteria .put oxigen down deep into the ground and water
.one Acer will produce 1000 gal of alcohol each planting. Burns clean no
suet engine last three times longer .all kinds of win win .

On Saturday, December 8, 2018, James Glinski <[email protected]> wrote:

> Thanks norm will look in to it   Warren a couple of thisngs  one you could
> go to r30 insulation like they use in Alaska .or use propane pluse heating
> ...very good for max thermal useage with propane .or see if they have
> natural gas available in your area .that's best ..no storage .....I like
> the r30 because it's a one time expenditure. And lasts for a life time .but
> a combo of pluse and r30 would be sweet ...on another topic I was wondering
> if you might know what kind of out put you might get on your RV if you ran
> it on 220 v ?.with a 220 v Variac ?..thing Hector could stop fighting
> acilies long enough to say ?. Marry Christmas guys good hunting .
>
> On Saturday, December 8, 2018, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] <
> [email protected]> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> James, Heat pumping works due to thermal differentials. Believe it or not
>> but Industrial MVR (Mechanical Vapor Re-compression) has achieved a
>> fantastic 40:1 COP. Domestic Heat Pumps run around a COP of 6:1. (scroll
>> compressors).  See:
>>
>> https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-temperature-of-the-earths-inter/
>> https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geothermal_heat_pump
>>
>>
>>  On 12/7/2018 5:34 PM, James Glinski [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> Warren
>> I've heard of people using a deep well like 350 ft down for heat pumps it
>> seems it gets hot down there .and can be used for heating and energy
>> extraction ..probley not cheap .
>>
>> On Friday, December 7, 2018, Warren Keillor [email protected]
>> [EVGRAY] <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hector's Rotorvertor works.
>>> One can harvest AC from the series circuit with the capacitors, with a
>>> factor of 1.614 times the input, as tested by myself. Others have achieved
>>> 1.618 times, doing a bit better, scrubbing the grease from the bearings,
>>> and removing the neoprene seals.
>>> (This is over unity by standards, that Tiller, and Bearden, should have
>>> noted)
>>> Moving on, what would be the problem with energising the Transvertor
>>> using this capacitor circuit from the Rotovertor?
>>> I'm sure that Hector has done this a million times and powers his
>>> appartment building, just so, but it only occured to me now, to try to do
>>> this with that monster three phase transformer, I have been dragging around
>>> several hundred miles, after being a 450 lb toe stubber in my studio in
>>> Toronto.
>>> Duh, what if I tune, to power the first winding of that transformer,
>>> using my 3 hp WEG Rotovertor, as a source of AC?
>>> My capacitor tuning box has a fairly good range of capability of
>>> capacitance, and 600 volt oil filled capacitors.
>>> Could a country bumkin, like myself, then take power from the third coil
>>> of the big three phase tranaformer?
>>> Would it be a compounded factor of efficiency around 1.614 X 1.614, or
>>> would....nothing happen....nothing significant, just a meter twitch....120
>>> volts in, 120 volts out...how about 220 volts in, and 220 volts out?
>>> All that is mere speculation, except for the Rotovertor which we have
>>> established the performance of.
>>> Sven is working away on the firing up of a Transvertor transformer.
>>> I am awaiting heat in my stone workshop, just so the Rotovertor doesn't
>>> bog down in its own solidified grease. Then there is the issue of picking
>>> up that transformer, using the Cat excavator to move it into the warm,
>>> cozy, heated, stone barn, before the big snow comes.
>>> I am curious if anybody has bothered with such an experiment, such as
>>> this, and if so, how did they go about it?
>>> Way back when, we had a file of pictures for each of us, on yahoo.
>>> For somebody like me, it was great to be able to check out everyone's
>>> file, to see the various projects on the go.
>>> Also, for the future, I thought it would be there, as history, a
>>> comforting thought.
>>> As it is, we are free to bumble along, repeating each other's failed
>>> experiments, and not trying to replicate the successes, trial and error,
>>> without checking the history.
>>> 1.614X 1.614?
>>> Cheers Warren
>>>
>>> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
>>> <https://go.onelink.me/107872968?pid=InProduct&c=Global_Internal_YGrowth_AndroidEmailSig__AndroidUsers&af_wl=ym&af_sub1=Internal&af_sub2=Global_YGrowth&af_sub3=EmailSignature>
>>>
>> 
>>
>

JamesThe roof has sprayed on urethane foam, R 7 per inch X 4"The walls are 26 " solid stone, the floor  5" concrete on 3" urethane foam, in the stone barn.I have no idea what the R factor of solid stone is, if at all, any.I think it acts as a heat capacitorCheers WarrenSent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
 
  On Sat, 8 Dec 2018 at 2:56 PM, James Glinski [email protected] [EVGRAY]<[email protected]> wrote:       
Thanks norm will look in to it   Warren a couple of thisngs  one you could go to r30 insulation like they use in Alaska .or use propane pluse heating ...very good for max thermal useage with propane .or see if they have natural gas available in your area .that's best ..no storage .....I like the r30 because it's a one time expenditure. And lasts for a life time .but a combo of pluse and r30 would be sweet ...on another topic I was wondering if you might know what kind of out put you might get on your RV if you ran it on 220 v ?.with a 220 v Variac ?..thing Hector could stop fighting acilies long enough to say ?. Marry Christmas guys good hunting .

On Saturday, December 8, 2018, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] <[email protected]> wrote:


     
 

James, Heat pumping works due to thermal differentials. Believe it or not but Industrial MVR (Mechanical Vapor Re-compression) has achieved a fantastic 40:1 COP. Domestic Heat Pumps run around a COP of 6:1. (scroll compressors).  See:  
 
 https://www. scientificamerican.com/ article/the-temperature-of- the-earths-inter/

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/ wiki/Geothermal_heat_pump



 On 12/7/2018 5:34 PM, James Glinski [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
  
    
Warren
 I've heard of people using a deep well like 350 ft down for heat pumps it seems it gets hot down there .and can be used for heating and energy extraction ..probley not cheap .
 
 On Friday, December 7, 2018, Warren Keillor [email protected] [EVGRAY] <[email protected]> wrote:
 
       
Hector's Rotorvertor works.
 One can harvest AC from the series circuit with the capacitors, with a factor of 1.614 times the input, as tested by myself. Others have achieved 1.618 times, doing a bit better, scrubbing the grease from the bearings, and removing the neoprene seals. (This is over unity by standards, that Tiller, and Bearden, should have noted) Moving on, what would be the problem with energising the Transvertor using this capacitor circuit from the Rotovertor?
 I'm sure that Hector has done this a million times and powers his appartment building, just so, but it only occured to me now, to try to do this with that monster three phase transformer, I have been dragging around several hundred miles, after being a 450 lb toe stubber in my studio in Toronto. Duh, what if I tune, to power the first winding of that transformer, using my 3 hp WEG Rotovertor, as a source of AC? My capacitor tuning box has a fairly good range of capability of capacitance, and 600 volt oil filled capacitors. Could a country bumkin, like myself, then take power from the third coil of the big three phase tranaformer? Would it be a compounded factor of efficiency around 1.614 X 1.614, or would....nothing happen....nothing significant, just a meter twitch....120 volts in, 120 volts out...how about 220 volts in, and 220 volts out? All that is mere speculation, except for the Rotovertor which we have established the performance of. Sven is working away on the firing up of a Transvertor transformer. I am awaiting heat in my stone workshop, just so the Rotovertor doesn't bog down in its own solidified grease. Then there is the issue of picking up that transformer, using the Cat excavator to move it into the warm, cozy, heated, stone barn, before the big snow comes. I am curious if anybody has bothered with such an experiment, such as this, and if so, how did they go about it? Way back when, we had a file of pictures for each of us, on yahoo. For somebody like me, it was great to be able to check out everyone's file, to see the various projects on the go. Also, for the future, I thought it would be there, as history, a comforting thought. As it is, we are free to bumble along, repeating each other's failed experiments, and not trying to replicate the successes, trial and error, without checking the history. 1.614X 1.614? Cheers Warren 
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Hay Warren here's another one I heard about .a lady ran the copper lines
into her barn that was well insulated where her chickens and horses and
other animals were during winter .she used her heat pump to heat her home
for almost nothing using there body heat .plus fresh eggs and rabbit meat
.savesxa lot on digging and never gets below -30 deg .

On Saturday, December 8, 2018, Warren Keillor [email protected]
[EVGRAY] <[email protected]> wrote:

>
>
>
> James
> The roof has sprayed on urethane foam, R 7 per inch X 4"
> The walls are 26 " solid stone, the floor  5" concrete on 3" urethane
> foam, in the stone barn.
> I have no idea what the R factor of solid stone is, if at all, any.
> I think it acts as a heat capacitor
> Cheers Warren
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
> <https://go.onelink.me/107872968?pid=InProduct&c=Global_Internal_YGrowth_AndroidEmailSig__AndroidUsers&af_wl=ym&af_sub1=Internal&af_sub2=Global_YGrowth&af_sub3=EmailSignature>
>
> On Sat, 8 Dec 2018 at 2:56 PM, James Glinski [email protected] [EVGRAY]
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
> Thanks norm will look in to it   Warren a couple of thisngs  one you could
> go to r30 insulation like they use in Alaska .or use propane pluse heating
> ...very good for max thermal useage with propane .or see if they have
> natural gas available in your area .that's best ..no storage .....I like
> the r30 because it's a one time expenditure. And lasts for a life time .but
> a combo of pluse and r30 would be sweet ...on another topic I was wondering
> if you might know what kind of out put you might get on your RV if you ran
> it on 220 v ?.with a 220 v Variac ?..thing Hector could stop fighting
> acilies long enough to say ?. Marry Christmas guys good hunting .
>
> On Saturday, December 8, 2018, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] <
> [email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
> James, Heat pumping works due to thermal differentials. Believe it or not
> but Industrial MVR (Mechanical Vapor Re-compression) has achieved a
> fantastic 40:1 COP. Domestic Heat Pumps run around a COP of 6:1. (scroll
> compressors).  See:
>
> https://www. scientificamerican.com/ article/the-temperature-of- the-earths-inter/ <https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-temperature-of-the-earths-inter/>
> https://en.m.wikipedia.org/ wiki/Geothermal_heat_pump <https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geothermal_heat_pump>
>
>
>  On 12/7/2018 5:34 PM, James Glinski [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>
>
>
> Warren
> I've heard of people using a deep well like 350 ft down for heat pumps it
> seems it gets hot down there .and can be used for heating and energy
> extraction ..probley not cheap .
>
> On Friday, December 7, 2018, Warren Keillor [email protected]
> [EVGRAY] <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
> Hector's Rotorvertor works.
> One can harvest AC from the series circuit with the capacitors, with a
> factor of 1.614 times the input, as tested by myself. Others have achieved
> 1.618 times, doing a bit better, scrubbing the grease from the bearings,
> and removing the neoprene seals.
> (This is over unity by standards, that Tiller, and Bearden, should have
> noted)
> Moving on, what would be the problem with energising the Transvertor using
> this capacitor circuit from the Rotovertor?
> I'm sure that Hector has done this a million times and powers his
> appartment building, just so, but it only occured to me now, to try to do
> this with that monster three phase transformer, I have been dragging around
> several hundred miles, after being a 450 lb toe stubber in my studio in
> Toronto.
> Duh, what if I tune, to power the first winding of that transformer, using
> my 3 hp WEG Rotovertor, as a source of AC?
> My capacitor tuning box has a fairly good range of capability of
> capacitance, and 600 volt oil filled capacitors.
> Could a country bumkin, like myself, then take power from the third coil
> of the big three phase tranaformer?
> Would it be a compounded factor of efficiency around 1.614 X 1.614, or
> would....nothing happen....nothing significant, just a meter twitch....120
> volts in, 120 volts out...how about 220 volts in, and 220 volts out?
> All that is mere speculation, except for the Rotovertor which we have
> established the performance of.
> Sven is working away on the firing up of a Transvertor transformer.
> I am awaiting heat in my stone workshop, just so the Rotovertor doesn't
> bog down in its own solidified grease. Then there is the issue of picking
> up that transformer, using the Cat excavator to move it into the warm,
> cozy, heated, stone barn, before the big snow comes.
> I am curious if anybody has bothered with such an experiment, such as
> this, and if so, how did they go about it?
> Way back when, we had a file of pictures for each of us, on yahoo.
> For somebody like me, it was great to be able to check out everyone's
> file, to see the various projects on the go.
> Also, for the future, I thought it would be there, as history, a
> comforting thought.
> As it is, we are free to bumble along, repeating each other's failed
> experiments, and not trying to replicate the successes, trial and error,
> without checking the history.
> 1.614X 1.614?
> Cheers Warren
>
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
> <https://go.onelink.me/107872968?pid=InProduct&c=Global_Internal_YGrowth_AndroidEmailSig__AndroidUsers&af_wl=ym&af_sub1=Internal&af_sub2=Global_YGrowth&af_sub3=EmailSignature>
>
> 
>

OleAll that can be done is to test it out.Let 's see how it measures with instruments, and compare.Cheers Warren

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  On Sat, 8 Dec 2018 at 4:01 PM, [email protected] [EVGRAY]<[email protected]> wrote:       
The COP increases with less differential temperature between the cold and hot side of the heat pump.
https://wiki2.org/en/Coefficient_of_performance
With the outside air temperatures that Warren mentions the inside temperature must be quite low to get the high COP. Heating all the floor keeps the hot side at a lower temperature but with down to -30 degrees Celsius and perhaps +30 degrees Celsius on the floor this amounts to 60 degrees C or K in difference. I doubt the COP is high at these extremes. Perhaps it's still better than pure resistance heating.

Regards
Ole



---In [email protected], <nwootan@...> wrote :


James, Heat pumping works due to thermal differentials. Believeit or not but Industrial MVR (Mechanical Vapor Re-compression) hasachieved a fantastic 40:1 COP. Domestic Heat Pumps run around aCOP of 6:1. (scroll compressors).  See:  

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-temperature-of-the-earths-inter/

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geothermal_heat_pump



On 12/7/2018 5:34 PM, James Glinskijglinski01@... [EVGRAY] wrote:


 
Warren
I've heard of peopleusing a deep well like 350 ft down for heat pumps itseems it gets hot down there .and can be used forheating and energy extraction ..probley not cheap .

On Friday, December 7, 2018, Warren Keillor schoonersolsticemoon@...[EVGRAY] <[email protected]>wrote:

 
Hector's Rotorvertor works.
One can harvest AC from the series circuitwith the capacitors, with a factor of 1.614times the input, as tested by myself. Othershave achieved 1.618 times, doing a bit better,scrubbing the grease from the bearings, andremoving the neoprene seals.(This is over unity by standards, thatTiller, and Bearden, should have noted)Moving on, what would be the problem withenergising the Transvertor using thiscapacitor circuit from the Rotovertor?
I'm sure that Hector has done this a milliontimes and powers his appartment building, justso, but it only occured to me now, to try todo this with that monster three phasetransformer, I have been dragging aroundseveral hundred miles, after being a 450 lbtoe stubber in my studio in Toronto.Duh, what if I tune, to power the firstwinding of that transformer, using my 3 hp WEGRotovertor, as a source of AC?My capacitor tuning box has a fairly goodrange of capability of capacitance, and 600volt oil filled capacitors.Could a country bumkin, like myself, thentake power from the third coil of the bigthree phase tranaformer?Would it be a compounded factor ofefficiency around 1.614 X 1.614, orwould....nothing happen....nothingsignificant, just a meter twitch....120 voltsin, 120 volts out...how about 220 volts in,and 220 volts out?All that is mere speculation, except forthe Rotovertor which we have established theperformance of.Sven is working away on the firing up of aTransvertor transformer.I am awaiting heat in my stone workshop,just so the Rotovertor doesn't bog down in itsown solidified grease. Then there is the issueof picking up that transformer, using the Catexcavator to move it into the warm, cozy,heated, stone barn, before the big snow comes.I am curious if anybody has bothered withsuch an experiment, such as this, and if so,how did they go about it?Way back when, we had a file of picturesfor each of us, on yahoo.For somebody like me, it was great to beable to check out everyone's file, to see thevarious projects on the go.Also, for the future, I thought it would bethere, as history, a comforting thought.As it is, we are free to bumble along,repeating each other's failed experiments, andnot trying to replicate the successes, trialand error, without checking the history.1.614X 1.614?Cheers Warren
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James, Warren, one major factor with heating is almost allways 
overlooked, that being long wave Infra-red radiation that is direct, 
line of sight. The old fireplaces had a thick iron element in back of 
fire logs that radiated the long wave IR directly into the room. All gas 
and electric long tube radiant heaters work this way. They do not heat 
the air but heat the target area via radiation.  Look it up.

On 12/8/2018 2:18 PM, James Glinski [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>
> Warren something else ..a Russian fire place is very good on wood and 
> safe .and if you have some land plant sorghum  and put it Thu crushers 
> to release the sugar water and make alcohol for your vehicles and 
> rocking a generator .the crushed left over turn to bio char and 
> greatly improve your fields .it last for thousands of years the worms 
> love it and it's a home for billions of bacteria .put oxigen down deep 
> into the ground and water .one Acer will produce 1000 gal of alcohol 
> each planting. Burns clean no suet engine last three times longer .all 
> kinds of win win .
>
> On Saturday, December 8, 2018, James Glinski <[email protected] 
> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>
>     Thanks norm will look in to it   Warren a couple of thisngs  one
>     you could go to r30 insulation like they use in Alaska .or use
>     propane pluse heating ...very good for max thermal useage with
>     propane .or see if they have natural gas available in your area
>     .that's best ..no storage .....I like the r30 because it's a one
>     time expenditure. And lasts for a life time .but a combo of pluse
>     and r30 would be sweet ...on another topic I was wondering if you
>     might know what kind of out put you might get on your RV if you
>     ran it on 220 v ?.with a 220 v Variac ?..thing Hector could stop
>     fighting acilies long enough to say ?. Marry Christmas guys good
>     hunting .
>
>     On Saturday, December 8, 2018, Norman Wootan [email protected]
>     <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] <[email protected]
>     <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>
>         James, Heat pumping works due to thermal differentials.
>         Believe it or not but Industrial MVR (Mechanical Vapor
>         Re-compression) has achieved a fantastic 40:1 COP. Domestic
>         Heat Pumps run around a COP of 6:1. (scroll compressors).  See:
>
>         https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-temperature-of-the-earths-inter/  <https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-temperature-of-the-earths-inter/>
>
>         https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geothermal_heat_pump  <https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geothermal_heat_pump>
>
>
>
>         On 12/7/2018 5:34 PM, James Glinski [email protected]
>         <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>
>>         Warren
>>
>>         I've heard of people using a deep well like 350 ft down for
>>         heat pumps it seems it gets hot down there .and can be used
>>         for heating and energy extraction ..probley not cheap .
>>
>>         On Friday, December 7, 2018, Warren Keillor
>>         [email protected]
>>         <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY]
>>         <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>>
>>             Hector's Rotorvertor works.
>>
>>             One can harvest AC from the series circuit with the
>>             capacitors, with a factor of 1.614 times the input, as
>>             tested by myself. Others have achieved 1.618 times, doing
>>             a bit better, scrubbing the grease from the bearings, and
>>             removing the neoprene seals.
>>             (This is over unity by standards, that Tiller, and
>>             Bearden, should have noted)
>>             Moving on, what would be the problem with energising the
>>             Transvertor using this capacitor circuit from the Rotovertor?
>>             I'm sure that Hector has done this a million times and
>>             powers his appartment building, just so, but it only
>>             occured to me now, to try to do this with that monster
>>             three phase transformer, I have been dragging around
>>             several hundred miles, after being a 450 lb toe stubber
>>             in my studio in Toronto.
>>             Duh, what if I tune, to power the first winding of that
>>             transformer, using my 3 hp WEG Rotovertor, as a source of AC?
>>             My capacitor tuning box has a fairly good range of
>>             capability of capacitance, and 600 volt oil filled
>>             capacitors.
>>             Could a country bumkin, like myself, then take power from
>>             the third coil of the big three phase tranaformer?
>>             Would it be a compounded factor of efficiency around
>>             1.614 X 1.614, or would....nothing happen....nothing
>>             significant, just a meter twitch....120 volts in, 120
>>             volts out...how about 220 volts in, and 220 volts out?
>>             All that is mere speculation, except for the Rotovertor
>>             which we have established the performance of.
>>             Sven is working away on the firing up of a Transvertor
>>             transformer.
>>             I am awaiting heat in my stone workshop, just so the
>>             Rotovertor doesn't bog down in its own solidified grease.
>>             Then there is the issue of picking up that transformer,
>>             using the Cat excavator to move it into the warm, cozy,
>>             heated, stone barn, before the big snow comes.
>>             I am curious if anybody has bothered with such an
>>             experiment, such as this, and if so, how did they go
>>             about it?
>>             Way back when, we had a file of pictures for each of us,
>>             on yahoo.
>>             For somebody like me, it was great to be able to check
>>             out everyone's file, to see the various projects on the go.
>>             Also, for the future, I thought it would be there, as
>>             history, a comforting thought.
>>             As it is, we are free to bumble along, repeating each
>>             other's failed experiments, and not trying to replicate
>>             the successes, trial and error, without checking the history.
>>             1.614X 1.614?
>>             Cheers Warren
>>
>>             Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
>>             <https://go.onelink.me/107872968?pid=InProduct&c=Global_Internal_YGrowth_AndroidEmailSig__AndroidUsers&af_wl=ym&af_sub1=Internal&af_sub2=Global_YGrowth&af_sub3=EmailSignature>
>>
>

Warren,

Ole is right about the heat pump, will not work efficiently in your
-temp climate without something warmer evap side like underground, too
bad about all the bedrock, some people in similar situations were using
deep boreholes instead of the horizontal geo piping such as old water wells.

The concept of the magnet dropping down the copper pipe in slow motions,
perhaps a heater with a motor spinning neo's against a copper heat
exchanger might be more efficient as it uses the energy of the magnets. 
Also the RV powering an electrolyser where the excess heat is a design
feature rather than a flaw.  Could be the welder setup with a yoke
speaker magnet to make the heating vortex of water from Lorentz force as
Stan Deyo displayed in his antigrav video.

Did you ever look into the cavitation water hammer pumps to see if that
would work for you?

Just some ideas...



On 12/8/2018 5:27 PM, Warren Keillor [email protected]
[EVGRAY] wrote:
>  
>
>
> James
>
> The roof has sprayed on urethane foam, R 7 per inch X 4"
> The walls are 26 " solid stone, the floor  5" concrete on 3" urethane
> foam, in the stone barn.
> I have no idea what the R factor of solid stone is, if at all, any.
> I think it acts as a heat capacitor
> Cheers Warren
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>
>     On Sat, 8 Dec 2018 at 2:56 PM, James Glinski [email protected]
>     [EVGRAY]
>     <[email protected]> wrote:
>      
>
>     Thanks norm will look in to it   Warren a couple of thisngs  one
>     you could go to r30 insulation like they use in Alaska .or use
>     propane pluse heating ...very good for max thermal useage with
>     propane .or see if they have natural gas available in your area
>     .that's best ..no storage .....I like the r30 because it's a one
>     time expenditure. And lasts for a life time .but a combo of pluse
>     and r30 would be sweet ...on another topic I was wondering if you
>     might know what kind of out put you might get on your RV if you
>     ran it on 220 v ?.with a 220 v Variac ?..thing Hector could stop
>     fighting acilies long enough to say ?. Marry Christmas guys good
>     hunting .
>
>     On Saturday, December 8, 2018, Norman Wootan [email protected]
>     <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] <[email protected]
>     <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>
>          
>
>         James, Heat pumping works due to thermal differentials.
>         Believe it or not but Industrial MVR (Mechanical Vapor
>         Re-compression) has achieved a fantastic 40:1 COP. Domestic
>         Heat Pumps run around a COP of 6:1. (scroll compressors).  See: 
>
>         https://www. scientificamerican.com/
>         article/the-temperature-of- the-earths-inter/ <https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-temperature-of-the-earths-inter/>
>
>         https://en.m.wikipedia.org/ wiki/Geothermal_heat_pump <https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geothermal_heat_pump>
>
>
>
>         On 12/7/2018 5:34 PM, James Glinski [email protected]
>         <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>          
>>
>>         Warren
>>
>>         I've heard of people using a deep well like 350 ft down for
>>         heat pumps it seems it gets hot down there .and can be used
>>         for heating and energy extraction ..probley not cheap .
>>
>>         On Friday, December 7, 2018, Warren Keillor
>>         [email protected]
>>         <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY]
>>         <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>>
>>              
>>
>>             Hector's Rotorvertor works.
>>
>>             One can harvest AC from the series circuit with the
>>             capacitors, with a factor of 1.614 times the input, as
>>             tested by myself. Others have achieved 1.618 times, doing
>>             a bit better, scrubbing the grease from the bearings, and
>>             removing the neoprene seals.
>>             (This is over unity by standards, that Tiller, and
>>             Bearden, should have noted)
>>             Moving on, what would be the problem with energising the
>>             Transvertor using this capacitor circuit from the Rotovertor?
>>             I'm sure that Hector has done this a million times and
>>             powers his appartment building, just so, but it only
>>             occured to me now, to try to do this with that monster
>>             three phase transformer, I have been dragging around
>>             several hundred miles, after being a 450 lb toe stubber
>>             in my studio in Toronto.
>>             Duh, what if I tune, to power the first winding of that
>>             transformer, using my 3 hp WEG Rotovertor, as a source of AC?
>>             My capacitor tuning box has a fairly good range of
>>             capability of capacitance, and 600 volt oil filled
>>             capacitors.
>>             Could a country bumkin, like myself, then take power from
>>             the third coil of the big three phase tranaformer?
>>             Would it be a compounded factor of efficiency around
>>             1.614 X 1.614, or would....nothing happen....nothing
>>             significant, just a meter twitch....120 volts in, 120
>>             volts out...how about 220 volts in, and 220 volts out?
>>             All that is mere speculation, except for the Rotovertor
>>             which we have established the performance of.
>>             Sven is working away on the firing up of a Transvertor
>>             transformer.
>>             I am awaiting heat in my stone workshop, just so the
>>             Rotovertor doesn't bog down in its own solidified grease.
>>             Then there is the issue of picking up that transformer,
>>             using the Cat excavator to move it into the warm, cozy,
>>             heated, stone barn, before the big snow comes.
>>             I am curious if anybody has bothered with such an
>>             experiment, such as this, and if so, how did they go
>>             about it?
>>             Way back when, we had a file of pictures for each of us,
>>             on yahoo.
>>             For somebody like me, it was great to be able to check
>>             out everyone's file, to see the various projects on the go.
>>             Also, for the future, I thought it would be there, as
>>             history, a comforting thought.
>>             As it is, we are free to bumble along, repeating each
>>             other's failed experiments, and not trying to replicate
>>             the successes, trial and error, without checking the history.
>>             1.614X 1.614?
>>             Cheers Warren
>>
>>             Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
>>             <https://go.onelink.me/107872968?pid=InProduct&c=Global_Internal_YGrowth_AndroidEmailSig__AndroidUsers&af_wl=ym&af_sub1=Internal&af_sub2=Global_YGrowth&af_sub3=EmailSignature>
>>
>

NormanYou are so correct concerning long wave infra red waves.You don't have to teach dogs, and cats about these waves, they vote with their feet settling right in where these waves come on in.Heated concrete floors elicit comments from people on them equivalent to purring.It will be interesting to do some observations.Cheers Warren

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  On Sun, 9 Dec 2018 at 8:23 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY]<[email protected]> wrote:       
 

James, Warren, one major factor with heating is almost allways overlooked, that being long wave Infra-red radiation that is direct, line of sight. The old fireplaces had a thick iron element in back of fire logs that radiated the long wave IR directly into the room. All gas and electric long tube radiant heaters work this way. They do not heat the air but heat the target area via radiation.  Look it up.
 
 On 12/8/2018 2:18 PM, James Glinski [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
  
    
Warren something else ..a Russian fire place is very good on wood and safe .and if you have some land plant sorghum  and put it Thu crushers to release the sugar water and make alcohol for your vehicles and rocking a generator .the crushed left over turn to bio char and greatly improve your fields .it last for thousands of years the worms love it and it's a home for billions of bacteria .put oxigen down deep into the ground and water .one Acer will produce 1000 gal of alcohol each planting. Burns clean no suet engine last three times longer .all kinds of win win .
 
 On Saturday, December 8, 2018, James Glinski <[email protected]> wrote:
 
 
Thanks norm will look in to it   Warren a couple of thisngs  one you could go to r30 insulation like they use in Alaska .or use propane pluse heating ...very good for max thermal useage with propane .or see if they have natural gas available in your area .that's best ..no storage .....I like the r30 because it's a one time expenditure. And lasts for a life time .but a combo of pluse and r30 would be sweet ...on another topic I was wondering if you might know what kind of out put you might get on your RV if you ran it on 220 v ?.with a 220 v Variac ?..thing Hector could stop fighting acilies long enough to say ?. Marry Christmas guys good hunting .
 
 On Saturday, December 8, 2018, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] <[email protected]> wrote:
 
       
 
 
James, Heat pumping works due to thermal differentials. Believe it or not but Industrial MVR (Mechanical Vapor Re-compression) has achieved a fantastic 40:1 COP. Domestic Heat Pumps run around a COP of 6:1. (scroll compressors).  See:  
 
 https://www.scientificamerican .com/article/the-temperature- of-the-earths-inter/

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wik i/Geothermal_heat_pump



 On 12/7/2018 5:34 PM, James Glinski [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
  
    
Warren
 I've heard of people using a deep well like 350 ft down for heat pumps it seems it gets hot down there .and can be used for heating and energy extraction ..probley not cheap .
 
 On Friday, December 7, 2018, Warren Keillor [email protected] [EVGRAY] <[email protected]> wrote:
 
       
Hector's Rotorvertor works.
 One can harvest AC from the series circuit with the capacitors, with a factor of 1.614 times the input, as tested by myself. Others have achieved 1.618 times, doing a  bit better, scrubbing the grease from the bearings, and removing the neoprene seals. (This is over unity by standards, that Tiller, and Bearden, should have noted) Moving on, what would be the problem with energising the Transvertor using this capacitor circuit from the Rotovertor?
 I'm sure that Hector has done this a million times and powers his appartment building, just so, but it only occured to me now, to try to  do this with that monster three phase transformer, I have been dragging around several hundred miles, after being a 450 lb toe stubber in my studio in Toronto. Duh, what if I tune, to power the first winding of that transformer, using my 3 hp WEG Rotovertor, as a source of AC? My capacitor tuning box has a fairly good range of capability of capacitance, and 600 volt oil filled capacitors. Could a country bumkin, like myself, then take power from the third coil of the big three phase tranaformer? Would it be a compounded factor of efficiency around 1.614 X 1.614, or would....nothing happen....nothing significant, just a meter twitch....120  volts in, 120 volts out...how about 220 volts in, and 220 volts out? All that is mere speculation, except for the Rotovertor which we have established the performance of. Sven is working away on the firing up of a Transvertor transformer. I am awaiting heat in my stone workshop, just so the Rotovertor doesn't bog down in its own solidified grease. Then there is the issue of picking up that transformer,  using the Cat excavator to move it into the warm, cozy, heated, stone barn, before the big snow comes. I am curious if anybody has bothered with such an experiment, such as this, and if so, how did they go about it? Way back when, we had a file of pictures for each of us, on yahoo. For somebody like me, it was great to be able to check out everyone's file, to see the various projects on the go. Also, for the future, I thought it would be there, as history, a comforting thought. As it is, we are free to bumble along, repeating each other's failed experiments, and not trying to replicate the successes, trial and error, without checking the  history. 1.614X 1.614? Cheers Warren 
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MickThis untested heat pump, as yet fired up, comes from Winnipeg, with technology from Norway.It is the only one that is supposed to work at -30CIt is variable brushless dc of 220 volts, requiring a 20 amp breaker in the panel, but claiming 10.2 amp consumption.We will see.....?The local hardware store just delivered a wood stove, just in case.We have more firewood than we can use in a year, just picking up the fallen sugar maple limbs  some more than 30" diameter.We have gone through 16 chain saw blades so far, since moving in.The old square nails are bad to hit, doing barn beams.
We are also putting solar panels on the roofs for PV collectionIt will be about getting off the grid, then seeing how practical it can be.I have lived quite a number of years off grid, in my schooner, so, it really is no big deal, with access to so much space.Cheers Warren
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  On Sun, 9 Dec 2018 at 11:23 AM, Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY]<[email protected]> wrote:       
 

Warren,
 
Ole is right about the heat pump, will not work efficiently in your -temp climate without something warmer evap side like underground, too bad about all the bedrock, some people in similar situations were using deep boreholes instead of the horizontal geo piping such as old water wells.
 
 
The concept of the magnet dropping down the copper pipe in slow motions, perhaps a heater with a motor spinning neo's against a copper heat exchanger might be more efficient as it uses the energy of the magnets.  Also the RV powering an electrolyser where the excess heat is a design feature rather than a flaw.  Could be the welder setup with a yoke speaker magnet to make the heating vortex of water from Lorentz force as Stan Deyo displayed in his antigrav video.
 
Did you ever look into the cavitation water hammer pumps to see if that would work for you?
 
 
Just some ideas...
 

 
 

 
 On 12/8/2018 5:27 PM, Warren Keillor [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
  
    

 James
 The roof has sprayed on urethane foam, R 7 per inch X 4" The walls are 26 " solid stone, the floor  5" concrete on 3" urethane foam, in the stone barn. I have no idea what the R factor of solid stone is, if at all, any. I think it acts as a heat capacitor Cheers Warren  Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
 
  On Sat, 8 Dec 2018 at 2:56 PM, James Glinski [email protected] [EVGRAY] <[email protected]> wrote:          
Thanks norm will look in to it   Warren a couple of thisngs  one you could go to r30 insulation like they use in Alaska .or use propane pluse heating ...very good for max thermal useage with propane .or see if they have natural gas available in your area .that's best ..no storage .....I like the r30 because it's a one time expenditure. And lasts for a life time .but a combo of pluse and r30 would be sweet ...on another topic I was wondering if you might know what kind of out put you might get on your RV if you ran it on 220 v ?.with a 220 v Variac ?..thing Hector could stop fighting acilies long enough to say ?. Marry Christmas guys good hunting .
 
 On Saturday, December 8, 2018, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] <[email protected]> wrote:
 
  
       
 
 
James, Heat pumping works due to thermal differentials. Believe it or not but Industrial MVR (Mechanical Vapor Re-compression) has achieved a fantastic 40:1 COP.  Domestic Heat Pumps run around a COP of 6:1. (scroll compressors).  See:  
 
 https://www. scientificamerican.com/ article/the-temperature-of- the-earths-inter/

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/ wiki/Geothermal_heat_pump



 On 12/7/2018 5:34 PM, James Glinski [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
  
    
Warren
 I've heard of people using a deep well like 350 ft down for heat pumps it seems it gets hot down there .and can be used  for heating and energy extraction ..probley not cheap .
 
 On Friday, December 7, 2018, Warren Keillor [email protected] [EVGRAY] <[email protected]> wrote:
 
       
Hector's Rotorvertor works.
 One can harvest AC from the series circuit with the capacitors,  with a factor of 1.614 times the input, as tested by myself. Others  have achieved 1.618 times, doing a bit better, scrubbing the grease from  the bearings, and removing the neoprene seals. (This is over unity by standards, that Tiller, and Bearden, should have  noted) Moving on, what would be the problem with energising the Transvertor  using this capacitor circuit from the Rotovertor?
 I'm sure that Hector has done this a million times and powers his  appartment building, just so, but it only occured to me now, to  try to do this with that monster three phase transformer, I have been  dragging around several hundred miles, after being a 450 lb toe  stubber in my studio in Toronto. Duh, what if I tune, to power the first winding of that transformer,  using my 3 hp WEG Rotovertor, as a source of AC? My capacitor tuning box has a fairly good range of capability of  capacitance, and 600 volt oil filled capacitors. Could a country bumkin, like myself, then take power from the third  coil of the big three phase tranaformer? Would it be a compounded factor of efficiency around 1.614 X 1.614, or  would....nothinghappen....nothing significant, just a meter twitch....120 volts in, 120 volts out...how about 220  volts in, and 220 volts out? All that is mere speculation, except for the Rotovertor which we have  established the performance of. Sven is working away on the firing up of a Transvertor transformer. I am awaiting heat in my stone workshop, just so the Rotovertor  doesn't bog down in its own solidified grease. Then there is the  issue of picking up that transformer, using the Cat excavator to  move it into the warm, cozy, heated, stone barn, before the big  snow comes. I am curious if anybody has bothered with such an experiment,  such as this, and if so, how did they go about it? Way back when, we had a file of pictures for each of us, on yahoo. For somebody like me, it was great to be able to check out everyone's  file, to see the various projects on the go. Also, for the future, I thought it would be there, as history, a  comforting thought. As it is, we are free to bumble along, repeating each other's failed experiments,  and not trying to replicate the successes, trial and error, without  checking the history. 1.614X 1.614? Cheers Warren 
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What's the make and model of the pump? I live about 70 Km from Winnipeg and would like to look into it.

Thanks.

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From: Warren Keillor [email protected] [EVGRAY]
Date: Sun, Dec 9, 2018 3:51 PM
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Mick

This untested heat pump, as yet fired up, comes from Winnipeg, with technology from Norway.
It is the only one that is supposed to work at -30C
It is variable brushless dc of 220 volts, requiring a 20 amp breaker in the panel, but claiming 10.2 amp consumption.
We will see.....?
The local hardware store just delivered a wood stove, just in case.
We have more firewood than we can use in a year, just picking up the fallen sugar maple limbs  some more than 30" diameter.
We have gone through 16 chain saw blades so far, since moving in.
The old square nails are bad to hit, doing barn beams.
We are also putting solar panels on the roofs for PV collection
It will be about getting off the grid, then seeing how practical it can be.
I have lived quite a number of years off grid, in my schooner, so, it really is no big deal, with access to so much space.
Cheers Warren
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On Sun, 9 Dec 2018 at 11:23 AM, Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY]
<[email protected]> wrote:


Warren,

Ole is right about the heat pump, will not work efficiently in your -temp climate without something warmer evap side like underground, too bad about all the bedrock, some people in similar situations were using deep boreholes instead of the horizontal geo piping such as old water wells.

The concept of the magnet dropping down the copper pipe in slow motions, perhaps a heater with a motor spinning neo's against a copper heat exchanger might be more efficient as it uses the energy of the magnets.  Also the RV powering an electrolyser where the excess heat is a design feature rather than a flaw.  Could be the welder setup with a yoke speaker magnet to make the heating vortex of water from Lorentz force as Stan Deyo displayed in his antigrav video.

Did you ever look into the cavitation water hammer pumps to see if that would work for you?

Just some ideas...



On 12/8/2018 5:27 PM, Warren Keillor [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:


James

The roof has sprayed on urethane foam, R 7 per inch X 4"
The walls are 26 " solid stone, the floor  5" concrete on 3" urethane foam, in the stone barn.
I have no idea what the R factor of solid stone is, if at all, any.
I think it acts as a heat capacitor
Cheers Warren
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On Sat, 8 Dec 2018 at 2:56 PM, James Glinski [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY]
<[email protected]><mailto:[email protected]> wrote:


Thanks norm will look in to it   Warren a couple of thisngs  one you could go to r30 insulation like they use in Alaska .or use propane pluse heating ...very good for max thermal useage with propane .or see if they have natural gas available in your area .that's best ..no storage .....I like the r30 because it's a one time expenditure. And lasts for a life time .but a combo of pluse and r30 would be sweet ...on another topic I was wondering if you might know what kind of out put you might get on your RV if you ran it on 220 v ?.with a 220 v Variac ?..thing Hector could stop fighting acilies long enough to say ?. Marry Christmas guys good hunting .

On Saturday, December 8, 2018, Norman Wootan [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:



James, Heat pumping works due to thermal differentials. Believe it or not but Industrial MVR (Mechanical Vapor Re-compression) has achieved a fantastic 40:1 COP. Domestic Heat Pumps run around a COP of 6:1. (scroll compressors).  See:

https://www. scientificamerican.com/ article/the-temperature-of- the-earths-inter/<https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-temperature-of-the-earths-inter/>

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/ wiki/Geothermal_heat_pump<https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geothermal_heat_pump>





On 12/7/2018 5:34 PM, James Glinski [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:


Warren

I've heard of people using a deep well like 350 ft down for heat pumps it seems it gets hot down there .and can be used for heating and energy extraction ..probley not cheap .

On Friday, December 7, 2018, Warren Keillor [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:


Hector's Rotorvertor works.

One can harvest AC from the series circuit with the capacitors, with a factor of 1.614 times the input, as tested by myself. Others have achieved 1.618 times, doing a bit better, scrubbing the grease from the bearings, and removing the neoprene seals.
(This is over unity by standards, that Tiller, and Bearden, should have noted)
Moving on, what would be the problem with energising the Transvertor using this capacitor circuit from the Rotovertor?
I'm sure that Hector has done this a million times and powers his appartment building, just so, but it only occured to me now, to try to do this with that monster three phase transformer, I have been dragging around several hundred miles, after being a 450 lb toe stubber in my studio in Toronto.
Duh, what if I tune, to power the first winding of that transformer, using my 3 hp WEG Rotovertor, as a source of AC?
My capacitor tuning box has a fairly good range of capability of capacitance, and 600 volt oil filled capacitors.
Could a country bumkin, like myself, then take power from the third coil of the big three phase tranaformer?
Would it be a compounded factor of efficiency around 1.614 X 1.614, or would....nothing happen....nothing significant, just a meter twitch....120 volts in, 120 volts out...how about 220 volts in, and 220 volts out?
All that is mere speculation, except for the Rotovertor which we have established the performance of.
Sven is working away on the firing up of a Transvertor transformer.
I am awaiting heat in my stone workshop, just so the Rotovertor doesn't bog down in its own solidified grease. Then there is the issue of picking up that transformer, using the Cat excavator to move it into the warm, cozy, heated, stone barn, before the big snow comes.
I am curious if anybody has bothered with such an experiment, such as this, and if so, how did they go about it?
Way back when, we had a file of pictures for each of us, on yahoo.
For somebody like me, it was great to be able to check out everyone's file, to see the various projects on the go.
Also, for the future, I thought it would be there, as history, a comforting thought.
As it is, we are free to bumble along, repeating each other's failed experiments, and not trying to replicate the successes, trial and error, without checking the history.
1.614X 1.614?
Cheers Warren

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Warren if you created a secondary line of copper for a insulated barn you
could switch over if it does shut you down .might never switch back .

On Sunday, December 9, 2018, Randy Hébert [email protected] [EVGRAY] <
[email protected]> wrote:

>
>
> What's the make and model of the pump? I live about 70 Km from Winnipeg
> and would like to look into it.
>
> Thanks.
>
> ------ Original message------
> *From: *Warren Keillor [email protected] [EVGRAY]
> *Date: *Sun, Dec 9, 2018 3:51 PM
> *To: *[email protected];
> *Cc: *
> *Subject:*Re: [EVGRAY] An old idea
>
>
>
> Mick
> This untested heat pump, as yet fired up, comes from Winnipeg, with
> technology from Norway.
> It is the only one that is supposed to work at -30C
> It is variable brushless dc of 220 volts, requiring a 20 amp breaker in
> the panel, but claiming 10.2 amp consumption.
> We will see.....?
> The local hardware store just delivered a wood stove, just in case.
> We have more firewood than we can use in a year, just picking up the
> fallen sugar maple limbs  some more than 30" diameter.
> We have gone through 16 chain saw blades so far, since moving in.
> The old square nails are bad to hit, doing barn beams.
> We are also putting solar panels on the roofs for PV collection
> It will be about getting off the grid, then seeing how practical it can be.
> I have lived quite a number of years off grid, in my schooner, so, it
> really is no big deal, with access to so much space.
> Cheers Warren
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
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>
> On Sun, 9 Dec 2018 at 11:23 AM, Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY]
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
> Warren,
>
> Ole is right about the heat pump, will not work efficiently in your -temp
> climate without something warmer evap side like underground, too bad about
> all the bedrock, some people in similar situations were using deep
> boreholes instead of the horizontal geo piping such as old water wells.
>
> The concept of the magnet dropping down the copper pipe in slow motions,
> perhaps a heater with a motor spinning neo's against a copper heat
> exchanger might be more efficient as it uses the energy of the magnets.
> Also the RV powering an electrolyser where the excess heat is a design
> feature rather than a flaw.  Could be the welder setup with a yoke speaker
> magnet to make the heating vortex of water from Lorentz force as Stan Deyo
> displayed in his antigrav video.
>
> Did you ever look into the cavitation water hammer pumps to see if that
> would work for you?
>
> Just some ideas...
>
>
>
> On 12/8/2018 5:27 PM, Warren Keillor [email protected]
> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>
>
>
>
> James
> The roof has sprayed on urethane foam, R 7 per inch X 4"
> The walls are 26 " solid stone, the floor  5" concrete on 3" urethane
> foam, in the stone barn.
> I have no idea what the R factor of solid stone is, if at all, any.
> I think it acts as a heat capacitor
> Cheers Warren
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>
> On Sat, 8 Dec 2018 at 2:56 PM, James Glinski [email protected] [EVGRAY]
> <[email protected]> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
> Thanks norm will look in to it   Warren a couple of thisngs  one you could
> go to r30 insulation like they use in Alaska .or use propane pluse heating
> ...very good for max thermal useage with propane .or see if they have
> natural gas available in your area .that's best ..no storage .....I like
> the r30 because it's a one time expenditure. And lasts for a life time .but
> a combo of pluse and r30 would be sweet ...on another topic I was wondering
> if you might know what kind of out put you might get on your RV if you ran
> it on 220 v ?.with a 220 v Variac ?..thing Hector could stop fighting
> acilies long enough to say ?. Marry Christmas guys good hunting .
>
> On Saturday, December 8, 2018, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] <
> [email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
> James, Heat pumping works due to thermal differentials. Believe it or not
> but Industrial MVR (Mechanical Vapor Re-compression) has achieved a
> fantastic 40:1 COP. Domestic Heat Pumps run around a COP of 6:1. (scroll
> compressors).  See:
>
> https://www. scientificamerican.com/ article/the-temperature-of- the-earths-inter/ <https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-temperature-of-the-earths-inter/>
> https://en.m.wikipedia.org/ wiki/Geothermal_heat_pump <https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geothermal_heat_pump>
>
>
>  On 12/7/2018 5:34 PM, James Glinski [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>
>
>
> Warren
> I've heard of people using a deep well like 350 ft down for heat pumps it
> seems it gets hot down there .and can be used for heating and energy
> extraction ..probley not cheap .
>
> On Friday, December 7, 2018, Warren Keillor [email protected]
> [EVGRAY] <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
> Hector's Rotorvertor works.
> One can harvest AC from the series circuit with the capacitors, with a
> factor of 1.614 times the input, as tested by myself. Others have achieved
> 1.618 times, doing a bit better, scrubbing the grease from the bearings,
> and removing the neoprene seals.
> (This is over unity by standards, that Tiller, and Bearden, should have
> noted)
> Moving on, what would be the problem with energising the Transvertor using
> this capacitor circuit from the Rotovertor?
> I'm sure that Hector has done this a million times and powers his
> appartment building, just so, but it only occured to me now, to try to do
> this with that monster three phase transformer, I have been dragging around
> several hundred miles, after being a 450 lb toe stubber in my studio in
> Toronto.
> Duh, what if I tune, to power the first winding of that transformer, using
> my 3 hp WEG Rotovertor, as a source of AC?
> My capacitor tuning box has a fairly good range of capability of
> capacitance, and 600 volt oil filled capacitors.
> Could a country bumkin, like myself, then take power from the third coil
> of the big three phase tranaformer?
> Would it be a compounded factor of efficiency around 1.614 X 1.614, or
> would....nothing happen....nothing significant, just a meter twitch....120
> volts in, 120 volts out...how about 220 volts in, and 220 volts out?
> All that is mere speculation, except for the Rotovertor which we have
> established the performance of.
> Sven is working away on the firing up of a Transvertor transformer.
> I am awaiting heat in my stone workshop, just so the Rotovertor doesn't
> bog down in its own solidified grease. Then there is the issue of picking
> up that transformer, using the Cat excavator to move it into the warm,
> cozy, heated, stone barn, before the big snow comes.
> I am curious if anybody has bothered with such an experiment, such as
> this, and if so, how did they go about it?
> Way back when, we had a file of pictures for each of us, on yahoo.
> For somebody like me, it was great to be able to check out everyone's
> file, to see the various projects on the go.
> Also, for the future, I thought it would be there, as history, a
> comforting thought.
> As it is, we are free to bumble along, repeating each other's failed
> experiments, and not trying to replicate the successes, trial and error,
> without checking the history.
> 1.614X 1.614?
> Cheers Warren
>
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>
> 
>

Hi RandyI'll get that for you tomorrow, I have been in Montreal, all weekend. Just arrived back.Cheers Warren

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  On Sun, 9 Dec 2018 at 6:03 PM, Randy Hébert [email protected] [EVGRAY]<[email protected]> wrote:       

What's the make and model of the pump? I live about 70 Km from Winnipeg and would like to look into it.
Thanks. 
------ Original message------From: Warren Keillor [email protected] [EVGRAY]Date: Sun, Dec 9, 2018 3:51 PMTo: [email protected];Cc: Subject:Re: [EVGRAY] An old idea
 
Mick
This untested heat pump, as yet fired up, comes from Winnipeg, with technology from Norway.It is the only one that is supposed to work at -30CIt is variable brushless dc of 220 volts, requiring a 20 amp breaker in the panel, but claiming 10.2 amp consumption.We will see.....?The local hardware store just delivered a wood stove, just in case.We have more firewood than we can use in a year, just picking up the fallen sugar maple limbs  some more than 30" diameter.We have gone through 16 chain saw blades so far, since moving in.The old square nails are bad to hit, doing barn beams.
We are also putting solar panels on the roofs for PV collectionIt will be about getting off the grid, then seeing how practical it can be.I have lived quite a number of years off grid, in my schooner, so, it really is no big deal, with access to so much space.Cheers Warren
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On Sun, 9 Dec 2018 at 11:23 AM, Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY]<[email protected]> wrote: 


Warren,

Ole is right about the heat pump, will not work efficiently in your -temp climate without something warmer evap side like underground, too bad about all the bedrock, some people in similar situations were using deep boreholes instead of the horizontal geo piping such as old water wells.


The concept of the magnet dropping down the copper pipe in slow motions, perhaps a heater with a motor spinning neo's against a copper heat exchanger might be more efficient as it uses the energy of the magnets.  Also the RV powering an electrolyser where the excess heat is a design feature rather than a flaw.  Could be the welder setup with a yoke speaker magnet to make the heating vortex of water from Lorentz force as Stan Deyo displayed in his antigrav video.

Did you ever look into the cavitation water hammer pumps to see if that would work for you?


Just some ideas...






On 12/8/2018 5:27 PM, Warren Keillor [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:

 

James
The roof has sprayed on urethane foam, R 7 per inch X 4"The walls are 26 " solid stone, the floor  5" concrete on 3" urethane foam, in the stone barn.I have no idea what the R factor of solid stone is, if at all, any.I think it acts as a heat capacitorCheers WarrenSent from Yahoo Mail on Android

On Sat, 8 Dec 2018 at 2:56 PM, James Glinski [email protected] [EVGRAY]<[email protected]> wrote: 
Thanks norm will look in to it   Warren a couple of thisngs  one you could go to r30 insulation like they use in Alaska .or use propane pluse heating ...very good for max thermal useage with propane .or see if they have natural gas available in your area .that's best ..no storage .....I like the r30 because it's a one time expenditure. And lasts for a life time .but a combo of pluse and r30 would be sweet ...on another topic I was wondering if you might know what kind of out put you might get on your RV if you ran it on 220 v ?.with a 220 v Variac ?..thing Hector could stop fighting acilies long enough to say ?. Marry Christmas guys good hunting .

On Saturday, December 8, 2018, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] <[email protected]> wrote:


 


James, Heat pumping works due to thermal differentials. Believe it or not but Industrial MVR (Mechanical Vapor Re-compression) has achieved a fantastic 40:1 COP. Domestic Heat Pumps run around a COP of 6:1. (scroll compressors).  See: 

https://www. scientificamerican.com/ article/the-temperature-of- the-earths-inter/

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/ wiki/Geothermal_heat_pump



On 12/7/2018 5:34 PM, James Glinski [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:

 
Warren
I've heard of people using a deep well like 350 ft down for heat pumps it seems it gets hot down there .and can be used for heating and energy extraction ..probley not cheap .

On Friday, December 7, 2018, Warren Keillor [email protected] [EVGRAY] <[email protected]> wrote:

 
Hector's Rotorvertor works.
One can harvest AC from the series circuit with the capacitors, with a factor of 1.614 times the input, as tested by myself. Others have achieved 1.618 times, doing a bit better, scrubbing the grease from the bearings, and removing the neoprene seals.(This is over unity by standards, that Tiller, and Bearden, should have noted)Moving on, what would be the problem with energising the Transvertor using this capacitor circuit from the Rotovertor?
I'm sure that Hector has done this a million times and powers his appartment building, just so, but it only occured to me now, to try to do this with that monster three phase transformer, I have been dragging around several hundred miles, after being a 450 lb toe stubber in my studio in Toronto.Duh, what if I tune, to power the first winding of that transformer, using my 3 hp WEG Rotovertor, as a source of AC?My capacitor tuning box has a fairly good range of capability of capacitance, and 600 volt oil filled capacitors.Could a country bumkin, like myself, then take power from the third coil of the big three phase tranaformer?Would it be a compounded factor of efficiency around 1.614 X 1.614, or would....nothing happen....nothing significant, just a meter twitch....120 volts in, 120 volts out...how about 220 volts in, and 220 volts out?All that is mere speculation, except for the Rotovertor which we have established the performance of.Sven is working away on the firing up of a Transvertor transformer.I am awaiting heat in my stone workshop, just so the Rotovertor doesn't bog down in its own solidified grease. Then there is the issue of picking up that transformer, using the Cat excavator to move it into the warm, cozy, heated, stone barn, before the big snow comes.I am curious if anybody has bothered with such an experiment, such as this, and if so, how did they go about it?Way back when, we had a file of pictures for each of us, on yahoo.For somebody like me, it was great to be able to check out everyone's file, to see the various projects on the go.Also, for the future, I thought it would be there, as history, a comforting thought.As it is, we are free to bumble along, repeating each other's failed experiments, and not trying to replicate the successes, trial and error, without checking the history.1.614X 1.614?Cheers Warren
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On heat pumps:Last year my friend Mike took over my studio building in Toronto, as his workshop. The first thing he did was to remove my old overhead natural gas furnace. It kept the place, a concrete block bunker of a building, warm and toasty, with a strong draft of hot air, at frequent intervals, from the far corner of the space.It was noisy, would blow your hair back, but was great for drying paint, except for the dust, it would kick up.Mike has a sweetheart deal for the place, and free rein on managing it.He is responsible for paying the heat.Endbridge supplies gas in downtown Toronto. You must pay a flat rate to be hooked up to the established gas mains, then, so much a cubic foot for the gas you use, on top of that.Mike removed all and had the gas service terminated, saving the$100/ month service fee,( 6 months of the year, you pay, even if you shut off the pilot light, during the summer months, not even using any gas). There! $1,200 / year savings!Now, for heat. Mike got an air to air heat pump, deeply discounted from one of his suppliers, wholesale, which he then installed in my former studio, and outside, in the courtyard. It is dc electric, variable speed, with smart software.Last winter was one of the coldest on record, but he reports being toasty warm, with a very modest increase to electricity consumption.The flat roof of that building gets excellent sunshine. He has managed to get some 400 volt solar panels that are only 3 years old, (plus enough for me too!)He has a Nissan leaf motor he is putting into his Volkswagon diesel 1.5 ton truck. It is a super neat conversion replacing the differential, and rear suspension, as a sub frame. With a crew cab, and the battery carrying capacity, he is going to be good to go for free. All electric.He is interested in any progress I can make with my experiments, towards something practical.Cheers Warren
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  On Sun, 9 Dec 2018 at 10:32 PM, Warren Keillor [email protected] [EVGRAY]<[email protected]> wrote:       
Hi Randy
I'll get that for you tomorrow, I have been in Montreal, all weekend. Just arrived back.Cheers Warren

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  On Sun, 9 Dec 2018 at 6:03 PM, Randy Hébert [email protected] [EVGRAY]<[email protected]> wrote:       

What's the make and model of the pump? I live about 70 Km from Winnipeg and would like to look into it.
Thanks. 
------ Original message------From: Warren Keillor [email protected] [EVGRAY]Date: Sun, Dec 9, 2018 3:51 PMTo: [email protected];Cc: Subject:Re: [EVGRAY] An old idea
 
Mick
This untested heat pump, as yet fired up, comes from Winnipeg, with technology from Norway.It is the only one that is supposed to work at -30CIt is variable brushless dc of 220 volts, requiring a 20 amp breaker in the panel, but claiming 10.2 amp consumption.We will see.....?The local hardware store just delivered a wood stove, just in case.We have more firewood than we can use in a year, just picking up the fallen sugar maple limbs  some more than 30" diameter.We have gone through 16 chain saw blades so far, since moving in.The old square nails are bad to hit, doing barn beams.
We are also putting solar panels on the roofs for PV collectionIt will be about getting off the grid, then seeing how practical it can be.I have lived quite a number of years off grid, in my schooner, so, it really is no big deal, with access to so much space.Cheers Warren
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On Sun, 9 Dec 2018 at 11:23 AM, Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY]<[email protected]> wrote: 


Warren,

Ole is right about the heat pump, will not work efficiently in your -temp climate without something warmer evap side like underground, too bad about all the bedrock, some people in similar situations were using deep boreholes instead of the horizontal geo piping such as old water wells.


The concept of the magnet dropping down the copper pipe in slow motions, perhaps a heater with a motor spinning neo's against a copper heat exchanger might be more efficient as it uses the energy of the magnets.  Also the RV powering an electrolyser where the excess heat is a design feature rather than a flaw.  Could be the welder setup with a yoke speaker magnet to make the heating vortex of water from Lorentz force as Stan Deyo displayed in his antigrav video.

Did you ever look into the cavitation water hammer pumps to see if that would work for you?


Just some ideas...






On 12/8/2018 5:27 PM, Warren Keillor [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:

 

James
The roof has sprayed on urethane foam, R 7 per inch X 4"The walls are 26 " solid stone, the floor  5" concrete on 3" urethane foam, in the stone barn.I have no idea what the R factor of solid stone is, if at all, any.I think it acts as a heat capacitorCheers WarrenSent from Yahoo Mail on Android

On Sat, 8 Dec 2018 at 2:56 PM, James Glinski [email protected] [EVGRAY]<[email protected]> wrote: 
Thanks norm will look in to it   Warren a couple of thisngs  one you could go to r30 insulation like they use in Alaska .or use propane pluse heating ...very good for max thermal useage with propane .or see if they have natural gas available in your area .that's best ..no storage .....I like the r30 because it's a one time expenditure. And lasts for a life time .but a combo of pluse and r30 would be sweet ...on another topic I was wondering if you might know what kind of out put you might get on your RV if you ran it on 220 v ?.with a 220 v Variac ?..thing Hector could stop fighting acilies long enough to say ?. Marry Christmas guys good hunting .

On Saturday, December 8, 2018, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] <[email protected]> wrote:


 


James, Heat pumping works due to thermal differentials. Believe it or not but Industrial MVR (Mechanical Vapor Re-compression) has achieved a fantastic 40:1 COP. Domestic Heat Pumps run around a COP of 6:1. (scroll compressors).  See: 

https://www. scientificamerican.com/ article/the-temperature-of- the-earths-inter/

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/ wiki/Geothermal_heat_pump



On 12/7/2018 5:34 PM, James Glinski [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:

 
Warren
I've heard of people using a deep well like 350 ft down for heat pumps it seems it gets hot down there .and can be used for heating and energy extraction ..probley not cheap .

On Friday, December 7, 2018, Warren Keillor [email protected] [EVGRAY] <[email protected]> wrote:

 
Hector's Rotorvertor works.
One can harvest AC from the series circuit with the capacitors, with a factor of 1.614 times the input, as tested by myself. Others have achieved 1.618 times, doing a bit better, scrubbing the grease from the bearings, and removing the neoprene seals.(This is over unity by standards, that Tiller, and Bearden, should have noted)Moving on, what would be the problem with energising the Transvertor using this capacitor circuit from the Rotovertor?
I'm sure that Hector has done this a million times and powers his appartment building, just so, but it only occured to me now, to try to do this with that monster three phase transformer, I have been dragging around several hundred miles, after being a 450 lb toe stubber in my studio in Toronto.Duh, what if I tune, to power the first winding of that transformer, using my 3 hp WEG Rotovertor, as a source of AC?My capacitor tuning box has a fairly good range of capability of capacitance, and 600 volt oil filled capacitors.Could a country bumkin, like myself, then take power from the third coil of the big three phase tranaformer?Would it be a compounded factor of efficiency around 1.614 X 1.614, or would....nothing happen....nothing significant, just a meter twitch....120 volts in, 120 volts out...how about 220 volts in, and 220 volts out?All that is mere speculation, except for the Rotovertor which we have established the performance of.Sven is working away on the firing up of a Transvertor transformer.I am awaiting heat in my stone workshop, just so the Rotovertor doesn't bog down in its own solidified grease. Then there is the issue of picking up that transformer, using the Cat excavator to move it into the warm, cozy, heated, stone barn, before the big snow comes.I am curious if anybody has bothered with such an experiment, such as this, and if so, how did they go about it?Way back when, we had a file of pictures for each of us, on yahoo.For somebody like me, it was great to be able to check out everyone's file, to see the various projects on the go.Also, for the future, I thought it would be there, as history, a comforting thought.As it is, we are free to bumble along, repeating each other's failed experiments, and not trying to replicate the successes, trial and error, without checking the history.1.614X 1.614?Cheers Warren
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