Tariel device

Ole,

What is the thing that looks like a torroid he mounts around the shaft?

Could this be a shunt wound DC traction motor with the field being
switched off to speed it up and the flywheel compensating?

Ole,

That video is really indistinct but I cant see if the shaft is either
segmented or has a key way with permanent magnets, can you see either of
these things?

On 11/23/2018 2:07 PM, [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
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>
> Hi Mick,
>
> The toroid ring is the stator inducing current right into the shaft to
> turn it like an induction motor. As can be heard it is in the form of
> pulses. There is probably two sets of winding on the toroid. At least
> the magnetic field has to enter into and out of the shaft to form a
> closed loop. Thus it must leave the toroid somewhere and enter back
> into it somewhere else after passing the shaft. Minimum two poles are
> required but four could be used to force the shaft in the right direction.
>
> Regards
> Ole
>
>
>
> ---In [email protected], <mkjekyll@...> wrote :
>
> Ole,
>
> What is the thing that looks like a torroid he mounts around the shaft?
>
> Could this be a shunt wound DC traction motor with the field being
> switched off to speed it up and the flywheel compensating?
>

Hi Mick,

The toroid ring is the stator inducing current right into the shaft to turn it like an induction motor. As can be heard it is in the form of pulses. There is probably two sets of winding on the toroid. At least the magnetic field has to enter into and out of the shaft to form a closed loop. Thus it must leave the toroid somewhere and enter back into it somewhere else after passing the shaft. Minimum two poles are required but four could be used to force the shaft in the right direction.

Regards
Ole
 

---In [email protected], <mkjekyll@...> wrote :

 Ole,
 
 What is the thing that looks like a torroid he mounts around the shaft?
 
 Could this be a shunt wound DC traction motor with the field being
 switched off to speed it up and the flywheel compensating?

Thanks Ole,

The second video still looks as if maybe there are multiple magnets with
a copper strap around them, maybe some version of the metal strapping on
large shipping boxes or some kind of tape.  I can see you have been
analyzing and digging in to his work.    I don't get the wire part as
the unit just seems to spin in one direction faster and faster rather
than changing direction where a wire might make more sense.  However I
am convinced he has the real deal and it's not sleight of hand else I
doubt Wesley would have been poisoned on the plane when he flew over to
visit.

On 11/23/2018 6:55 PM, [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>  
>
> Hi Mick,
>
> I have this figure from a Russian forum:
>
> It was from here:
>
> http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=2&hl=en&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dtungus%2Bts%2Btk%26client%3Dsafari%26hl%3Den-gb&rurl=translate.google.com&sl=ru&u=http://realstrannik.ru/forum/39-kapanadze/46775-diski-kapanadze.html&usg=ALkJrhgTJDiUkCbLNna7H96c-DQwBOuG2Q#46775
>
> But this address doesn't work anymore.
>
> There is no guarantee that this figure is correct. To me it could as
> well look like the shaft going right through the device and the
> secondary flywheel is free to rotate if it wasn't for the helical wire
> or spring between the two flywheels. The question is which flywheel is
> connected where? One end is the input and the other end is the output.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Regards
> Ole
>
>
>
> ---In [email protected], <mkjekyll@...> wrote :
>
> Ole,
>
> That video is really indistinct but I cant see if the shaft is either
> segmented or has a key way with permanent magnets, can you see either
> of these things?
>
> On 11/23/2018 2:07 PM, onielsen@... <mailto:onielsen@...> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>
>>      
>>
>>     Hi Mick,
>>
>>     The toroid ring is the stator inducing current right into the
>>     shaft to turn it like an induction motor. As can be heard it is
>>     in the form of pulses. There is probably two sets of winding on
>>     the toroid. At least the magnetic field has to enter into and out
>>     of the shaft to form a closed loop. Thus it must leave the toroid
>>     somewhere and enter back into it somewhere else after passing the
>>     shaft. Minimum two poles are required but four could be used to
>>     force the shaft in the right direction.
>>
>>     Regards
>>     Ole
>>
>>
>>
>>     ---In [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>,
>>     <mkjekyll@...> <mailto:mkjekyll@...> wrote :
>>
>>     Ole,
>>
>>     What is the thing that looks like a torroid he mounts around the
>>     shaft?
>>
>>     Could this be a shunt wound DC traction motor with the field being
>>     switched off to speed it up and the flywheel compensating?
>
>

Hi Warren,

Do you mean like thrust bearings?
What is the function normally of such a spring ?

The thing looks like part of the clutch off a snow mobile, I was
thinking that before but don't recall a spring like that just the spring
that lets the two halves be under pressure prior to the angular momentum
spreading them apart or together.  Not that he is using the plates for
their original purpose of a V belt but likely only as flywheel inertia.

I had never seen that video before it was posted the other day.  It
looks almost as if the motor would keep speeding up without load the way
it starts and keep accelerating.  Then there seems to be a sound like in
hetrodyning against a stationary oscillator the breakup nodes that
happen as one tunes raises the freq of the variable oscillator against
the stationary frequency this happens just about when the light
illuminates.  The reason I was thinking traction motor was the thing is
stationary and pretty heavy for a 9volt battery to start and it is
seemingly speeding up like over speeding a traction motor when dropping
the one field.

Warren, do you have any inkling of the why of the two flywheels and how
they might function together?

On 11/23/2018 7:44 PM, Warren Keillor [email protected]
[EVGRAY] wrote:
> Torrington bearings

Hi Mick,

I have this figure from a Russian forum:

It was from here: http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=2&hl=en&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dtungus%2Bts%2Btk%26client%3Dsafari%26hl%3Den-gb&rurl=translate.google.com&sl=ru&u=http://realstrannik.ru/forum/39-kapanadze/46775-diski-kapanadze.html&usg=ALkJrhgTJDiUkCbLNna7H96c-DQwBOuG2Q#46775 http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=2&hl=en&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dtungus%2Bts%2Btk%26client%3Dsafari%26hl%3Den-gb&rurl=translate.google.com&sl=ru&u=http://realstrannik.ru/forum/39-kapanadze/46775-diski-kapanadze.html&usg=ALkJrhgTJDiUkCbLNna7H96c-DQwBOuG2Q#46775
But this address doesn't work anymore.

There is no guarantee that this figure is correct. To me it could as well look like the shaft going right through the device and the secondary flywheel is free to rotate if it wasn't for the helical wire or spring between the two flywheels. The question is which flywheel is connected where? One end is the input and the other end is the output.




 
 

 

 










Regards
Ole

 

---In [email protected], <mkjekyll@...> wrote :

 Ole, 

 That video is really indistinct but I cant see if the shaft is either segmented or has a key way with permanent magnets, can you see either of these things?

 On 11/23/2018 2:07 PM, onielsen@... mailto:onielsen@... [EVGRAY] wrote:

   Hi Mick,
 
 The toroid ring is the stator inducing current right into the shaft to turn it like an induction motor. As can be heard it is in the form of pulses. There is probably two sets of winding on the toroid. At least the magnetic field has to enter into and out of the shaft to form a closed loop. Thus it must leave the toroid somewhere and enter back into it somewhere else after passing the shaft. Minimum two poles are required but four could be used to force the shaft in the right direction.
 
 Regards
 Ole

 
 
 ---In [email protected] mailto:[email protected], <mkjekyll@...> mailto:mkjekyll@... wrote :
 
 Ole,
 
 What is the thing that looks like a torroid he mounts around the shaft?
 
 Could this be a shunt wound DC traction motor with the field being
 switched off to speed it up and the flywheel compensating?

It spears to me to have a keyway
Cheers Warren
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  On Fri, 23 Nov 2018 at 7:56 PM, Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY]<[email protected]> wrote:       
 

Ole, 
 
 
That video is really indistinct but I cant see if the shaft is either segmented or has a key way with permanent magnets, can you see either of these things?
 
 On 11/23/2018 2:07 PM, [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
  
    
Hi Mick,
 
 The toroid ring is the stator inducing current right into the shaft to turn it like an induction motor. As can be heard it is in the form of pulses. There is probably two sets of winding on the toroid. At least the magnetic field has to enter into and out of the shaft to form a closed loop. Thus it must leave the toroid somewhere and enter back into it somewhere else after passing the shaft. Minimum two poles are required but four could be used to force the shaft in the right direction.
 
 Regards
 Ole
 
 
 
 ---In [email protected], <mkjekyll@...> wrote :
 
 Ole,
 
 What is the thing that looks like a torroid he mounts around the shaft?
 
 Could this be a shunt wound DC traction motor with the field being
 switched off to speed it up and the flywheel compensating?   
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Ole ,MickThat spring is just a simple form of a clutched one way drive. I use Torrington bearings instead, but perhaps the spring drive is just fine for low torque driveCheers Warren

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  On Fri, 23 Nov 2018 at 9:56 PM, [email protected] [EVGRAY]<[email protected]> wrote:       
Hi Mick,

I have this figure from a Russian forum:

It was from here: 

http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=2&hl=en&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dtungus%2Bts%2Btk%26client%3Dsafari%26hl%3Den-gb&rurl=translate.google.com&sl=ru&u=http://realstrannik.ru/forum/39-kapanadze/46775-diski-kapanadze.html&usg=ALkJrhgTJDiUkCbLNna7H96c-DQwBOuG2Q#46775
But this address doesn't work anymore.

There is no guarantee that this figure is correct. To me it could as well look like the shaft going right through the device and the secondary flywheel is free to rotate if it wasn't for the helical wire or spring between the two flywheels. The question is which flywheel is connected where? One end is the input and the other end is the output.
















Regards
Ole



---In [email protected], <mkjekyll@...> wrote :


Ole, 


That video is really indistinct but I cant see if the shaft iseither segmented or has a key way with permanent magnets, can yousee either of these things?

On 11/23/2018 2:07 PM,onielsen@... [EVGRAY] wrote:


 
Hi Mick,

The toroid ring is the stator inducing current right intothe shaft to turn it like an induction motor. As can beheard it is in the form of pulses. There is probably twosets of winding on the toroid. At least the magnetic fieldhas to enter into and out of the shaft to form a closedloop. Thus it must leave the toroid somewhere and enterback into it somewhere else after passing the shaft.Minimum two poles are required but four could be used toforce the shaft in the right direction.

Regards
Ole



---In [email protected], <mkjekyll@...> wrote :

Ole,

What is the thing that looks like a torroid he mountsaround the shaft?

Could this be a shunt wound DC traction motor with thefield being
switched off to speed it up and the flywheelcompensating?

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Ole,

So how does the stator induce the spin from the 9v battery?

On 11/24/2018 7:38 AM, [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>  
>
> Hi Mick,
>
> I don't see any magnets. The only magnetic parts that I see are the
> stator electromagnetic coil(s) and the generator when attached to the
> output end. They're the only things having electrical wires to them.
> The rest looks pure mechanical to me.
>
> Both Kapanadze and Wesley were poisoned at their trip back to Georgia
> from Turkey. Wesley knew how to survive and thus didn't suffer
> afterwards. Kapanadze got sick.
>
> The pictures are now attached. The first ones were just drag and
> dropped without thought of the size. Now the total size is 229 kbyte
> with even more pictures. I hope Yahoo doesn't discard them this time.
> Links to the videos:
>
> *Video 1*(13:30): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3thvqFhFIfY
>
> *Video 2*(23:09):
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qVUN3GsekKQ&feature=player_embedded
>
>  
> Regards
> Ole
>
>
>
> ---In [email protected], <mkjekyll@...> wrote :
>
> Thanks Ole,
>
> The second video still looks as if maybe there are multiple magnets
> with a copper strap around them, maybe some version of the metal
> strapping on large shipping boxes or some kind of tape.  I can see you
> have been analyzing and digging in to his work.    I don't get the
> wire part as the unit just seems to spin in one direction faster and
> faster rather than changing direction where a wire might make more
> sense.  However I am convinced he has the real deal and it's not
> sleight of hand else I doubt Wesley would have been poisoned on the
> plane when he flew over to visit.
>
> On 11/23/2018 6:55 PM, onielsen@... <mailto:onielsen@...> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>
>>      
>>
>>     Hi Mick,
>>
>>     I have this figure from a Russian forum:
>>
>>     It was from here:
>>
>>     http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=2&hl=en&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dtungus%2Bts%2Btk%26client%3Dsafari%26hl%3Den-gb&rurl=translate.google.com&sl=ru&u=http://realstrannik.ru/forum/39-kapanadze/46775-diski-kapanadze.html&usg=ALkJrhgTJDiUkCbLNna7H96c-DQwBOuG2Q#46775
>>
>>     But this address doesn't work anymore.
>>
>>     There is no guarantee that this figure is correct. To me it could
>>     as well look like the shaft going right through the device and
>>     the secondary flywheel is free to rotate if it wasn't for the
>>     helical wire or spring between the two flywheels. The question is
>>     which flywheel is connected where? One end is the input and the
>>     other end is the output.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>

MickNo just like the action on a bicycle, you turn the shaft, and what it is turning, keeps going while you can pause cranking the pedals.The spring is a very simple form of this kind of mechanical action. When slipped over the ends of two shafts in line, like a coupling, if one is fasten to a shaft, it will grip the other when turned, so the spring tightens up on the other shaft, transferring the torque.However should you stop turning, the connected shaft will loosen the spring tension and keep turning, provided there is inertia to do so.Cheers warrenSent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
 
  On Sat, 24 Nov 2018 at 2:25 AM, Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY]<[email protected]> wrote:       
Hi Warren,

Do you mean like thrust bearings?
What is the function normally of such a spring ?

The thing looks like part of the clutch off a snow mobile, I was
thinking that before but don't recall a spring like that just the spring
that lets the two halves be under pressure prior to the angular momentum
spreading them apart or together.  Not that he is using the plates for
their original purpose of a V belt but likely only as flywheel inertia.

I had never seen that video before it was posted the other day.  It
looks almost as if the motor would keep speeding up without load the way
it starts and keep accelerating.  Then there seems to be a sound like in
hetrodyning against a stationary oscillator the breakup nodes that
happen as one tunes raises the freq of the variable oscillator against
the stationary frequency this happens just about when the light
illuminates.  The reason I was thinking traction motor was the thing is
stationary and pretty heavy for a 9volt battery to start and it is
seemingly speeding up like over speeding a traction motor when dropping
the one field.

Warren, do you have any inkling of the why of the two flywheels and how
they might function together?

On 11/23/2018 7:44 PM, Warren Keillor [email protected]
[EVGRAY] wrote:
> Torrington bearings


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Hi Mick,

 I don't see any magnets. The only magnetic parts that I see are the stator electromagnetic coil(s) and the generator when attached to the output end. They're the only things having electrical wires to them. The rest looks pure mechanical to me.
 
 Both Kapanadze and Wesley were poisoned at their trip back to Georgia from Turkey. Wesley knew how to survive and thus didn't suffer afterwards. Kapanadze got sick.
 
 The pictures are now attached. The first ones were just drag and dropped without thought of the size. Now the total size is 229 kbyte with even more pictures. I hope Yahoo doesn't discard them this time.
 Links to the videos: 
 
 
 Video 1 (13:30): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3thvqFhFIfY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3thvqFhFIfY
 Video 2 (23:09): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qVUN3GsekKQ&feature=player_embedded http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qVUN3GsekKQ&feature=player_embedded
  
Regards
Ole

 

---In [email protected], <mkjekyll@...> wrote :

 Thanks Ole,
 The second video still looks as if maybe there are multiple magnets with a copper strap around them, maybe some version of the metal strapping on large shipping boxes or some kind of tape.  I can see you have been analyzing and digging in to his work.    I don't get the wire part as the unit just seems to spin in one direction faster and faster rather than changing direction where a wire might make more sense.  However I am convinced he has the real deal and it's not sleight of hand else I doubt Wesley would have been poisoned on the plane when he flew over to visit.

 On 11/23/2018 6:55 PM, onielsen@... mailto:onielsen@... [EVGRAY] wrote:

   Hi Mick,
 
 I have this figure from a Russian forum:
 
 It was from here:
 http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=2&hl=en&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dtungus%2Bts%2Btk%26client%3Dsafari%26hl%3Den-gb&rurl=translate.google.com&sl=ru&u=http://realstrannik.ru/forum/39-kapanadze/46775-diski-kapanadze.html&usg=ALkJrhgTJDiUkCbLNna7H96c-DQwBOuG2Q#46775 http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=2&hl=en&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dtungus%2Bts%2Btk%26client%3Dsafari%26hl%3Den-gb&rurl=translate.google.com&sl=ru&u=http://realstrannik.ru/forum/39-kapanadze/46775-diski-kapanadze.html&usg=ALkJrhgTJDiUkCbLNna7H96c-DQwBOuG2Q#46775
 But this address doesn't work anymore.
 
 There is no guarantee that this figure is correct. To me it could as well look like the shaft going right through the device and the secondary flywheel is free to rotate if it wasn't for the helical wire or spring between the two flywheels. The question is which flywheel is connected where? One end is the input and the other end is the output.

Hi Mick,

 The Small 9V battery powers some electronic circuit that isn't revealed. Nikola Tesla have patented the 32 ways of transferring power to the rotor without wires. I.e. the induction motor. The basic principle is two phases shifted to each other. When running only one phase is necessary. It's hard to see in the videos how many phases and poles the stator ring has. It could look like two or three wires feeding the torus coil. What matters is to deliver high power pulses. The small battery can't deliver much mean power. But if delivering the power as pulses the peak power can be very high. This is just like buying small computer speakers and reading that the power rating is more than 100W. This is single pulse peak power and is why the speakers don't catch fire when actually only capable delivering perhaps 10W RMS sine power.

Regards
Ole



 

---In [email protected], <mkjekyll@...> wrote :

 Ole,
 So how does the stator induce the spin from the 9v battery?

 On 11/24/2018 7:38 AM, onielsen@... mailto:onielsen@... [EVGRAY] wrote:

   
 Hi Mick,
 
 I don't see any magnets. The only magnetic parts that I see are the stator electromagnetic coil(s) and the generator when attached to the output end. They're the only things having electrical wires to them. The rest looks pure mechanical to me.
 
 Both Kapanadze and Wesley were poisoned at their trip back to Georgia from Turkey. Wesley knew how to survive and thus didn't suffer afterwards. Kapanadze got sick.
 
 The pictures are now attached. The first ones were just drag and dropped without thought of the size. Now the total size is 229 kbyte with even more pictures. I hope Yahoo doesn't discard them this time.
 Links to the videos: 
 
 
 Video 1 (13:30): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3thvqFhFIfY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3thvqFhFIfY
 Video 2 (23:09): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qVUN3GsekKQ&feature=player_embedded http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qVUN3GsekKQ&feature=player_embedded
  
 Regards
 Ole

 
 
 ---In [email protected] mailto:[email protected], <mkjekyll@...> mailto:mkjekyll@... wrote :
 
 Thanks Ole,
 The second video still looks as if maybe there are multiple magnets with a copper strap around them, maybe some version of the metal strapping on large shipping boxes or some kind of tape.  I can see you have been analyzing and digging in to his work.    I don't get the wire part as the unit just seems to spin in one direction faster and faster rather than changing direction where a wire might make more sense.  However I am convinced he has the real deal and it's not sleight of hand else I doubt Wesley would have been poisoned on the plane when he flew over to visit.

 On 11/23/2018 6:55 PM, onielsen@... mailto:onielsen@... [EVGRAY] wrote:

   Hi Mick,
 
 I have this figure from a Russian forum:
 
 It was from here:
 http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=2&hl=en&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dtungus%2Bts%2Btk%26client%3Dsafari%26hl%3Den-gb&rurl=translate.google.com&sl=ru&u=http://realstrannik.ru/forum/39-kapanadze/46775-diski-kapanadze.html&usg=ALkJrhgTJDiUkCbLNna7H96c-DQwBOuG2Q#46775 http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=2&hl=en&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dtungus%2Bts%2Btk%26client%3Dsafari%26hl%3Den-gb&rurl=translate.google.com&sl=ru&u=http://realstrannik.ru/forum/39-kapanadze/46775-diski-kapanadze.html&usg=ALkJrhgTJDiUkCbLNna7H96c-DQwBOuG2Q#46775
 But this address doesn't work anymore.
 
 There is no guarantee that this figure is correct. To me it could as well look like the shaft going right through the device and the secondary flywheel is free to rotate if it wasn't for the helical wire or spring between the two flywheels. The question is which flywheel is connected where? One end is the input and the other end is the output.

Ole,

I don't see the shaft as being split in anyway to accommodate acting as
an induction rotor.  I know that Dr Tesla designed motors no one could
figure out then they hired Proteus and he came up with the split
aluminum induction rotor for GE but I have never seen the single metal
Tesla rotor but then the egg of Colombus was not split but rotated based
on the lobed shape and asymmetric field across it's taper I assume.

Do you see a way the shaft can act as a rotor being solid and not split,
or did you view something I missed?

On 11/24/2018 9:30 AM, [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>  
>
> Hi Mick,
>
> The Small 9V battery powers some electronic circuit that isn't
> revealed. Nikola Tesla have patented the 32 ways of transferring power
> to the rotor without wires. I.e. the induction motor. The basic
> principle is two phases shifted to each other. When running only one
> phase is necessary. It's hard to see in the videos how many phases and
> poles the stator ring has. It could look like two or three wires
> feeding the torus coil. What matters is to deliver high power pulses.
> The small battery can't deliver much mean power. But if delivering the
> power as pulses the peak power can be very high. This is just like
> buying small computer speakers and reading that the power rating is
> more than 100W. This is single pulse peak power and is why the
> speakers don't catch fire when actually only capable delivering
> perhaps 10W RMS sine power.
>
> Regards
> Ole
>
>
>
>
> ---In [email protected], <mkjekyll@...> wrote :
>
> Ole,
>
> So how does the stator induce the spin from the 9v battery?
>
> On 11/24/2018 7:38 AM, onielsen@... <mailto:onielsen@...> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>
>>      
>>
>>     Hi Mick,
>>
>>     I don't see any magnets. The only magnetic parts that I see are
>>     the stator electromagnetic coil(s) and the generator when
>>     attached to the output end. They're the only things having
>>     electrical wires to them. The rest looks pure mechanical to me.
>>
>>     Both Kapanadze and Wesley were poisoned at their trip back to
>>     Georgia from Turkey. Wesley knew how to survive and thus didn't
>>     suffer afterwards. Kapanadze got sick.
>>
>>     The pictures are now attached. The first ones were just drag and
>>     dropped without thought of the size. Now the total size is 229
>>     kbyte with even more pictures. I hope Yahoo doesn't discard them
>>     this time.
>>     Links to the videos:
>>
>>     *Video 1*(13:30): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3thvqFhFIfY
>>
>>     *Video 2*(23:09):
>>     http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qVUN3GsekKQ&feature=player_embedded
>>
>>      
>>     Regards
>>     Ole
>>
>>
>>
>>     ---In [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>,
>>     <mkjekyll@...> <mailto:mkjekyll@...> wrote :
>>
>>     Thanks Ole,
>>
>>     The second video still looks as if maybe there are multiple
>>     magnets with a copper strap around them, maybe some version of
>>     the metal strapping on large shipping boxes or some kind of
>>     tape.  I can see you have been analyzing and digging in to his
>>     work.    I don't get the wire part as the unit just seems to spin
>>     in one direction faster and faster rather than changing direction
>>     where a wire might make more sense.  However I am convinced he
>>     has the real deal and it's not sleight of hand else I doubt
>>     Wesley would have been poisoned on the plane when he flew over to
>>     visit.
>>
>>     On 11/23/2018 6:55 PM, onielsen@... <mailto:onielsen@...>
>>     [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>
>>>          
>>>
>>>         Hi Mick,
>>>
>>>         I have this figure from a Russian forum:
>>>
>>>         It was from here:
>>>
>>>         http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=2&hl=en&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dtungus%2Bts%2Btk%26client%3Dsafari%26hl%3Den-gb&rurl=translate.google.com&sl=ru&u=http://realstrannik.ru/forum/39-kapanadze/46775-diski-kapanadze.html&usg=ALkJrhgTJDiUkCbLNna7H96c-DQwBOuG2Q#46775
>>>
>>>         But this address doesn't work anymore.
>>>
>>>         There is no guarantee that this figure is correct. To me it
>>>         could as well look like the shaft going right through the
>>>         device and the secondary flywheel is free to rotate if it
>>>         wasn't for the helical wire or spring between the two
>>>         flywheels. The question is which flywheel is connected
>>>         where? One end is the input and the other end is the output.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>

Hi Mick,

If the shaft is made of steel it is both a magnetic and an electric conductor which is what is adequate for an induction motor rotor. Actually it's enough to only have the rotor electric conductive as the induced current in it makes it an electromagnet. See demonstration of this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yDcsTdtgThU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yDcsTdtgThU (3:57) or this one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YdDd8ufhXCg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YdDd8ufhXCg (3:14).


 The magnetic field is going from the stator ring radially into the shaft where it induces a current making the shaft an electromagnet of opposite polarity. The magnetic field always forms a closed loop and thus returns back into the opposite end of the coil making that field.

While looking for a demonstration video I found this motor running on hydrogen made from Coke and aluminum Coke cans: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDMIMP-DlQ4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDMIMP-DlQ4 (16:13).

Regards
Ole
 

---In [email protected], <mkjekyll@...> wrote :

 Ole, 

 I don't see the shaft as being split in anyway to accommodate acting as an induction rotor.  I know that Dr Tesla designed motors no one could figure out then they hired Proteus and he came up with the split aluminum induction rotor for GE but I have never seen the single metal Tesla rotor but then the egg of Colombus was not split but rotated based on the lobed shape and asymmetric field across it's taper I assume.
 Do you see a way the shaft can act as a rotor being solid and not split, or did you view something I missed?

 On 11/24/2018 9:30 AM, onielsen@... mailto:onielsen@... [EVGRAY] wrote:

   Hi Mick,
 

 The Small 9V battery powers some electronic circuit that isn't revealed. Nikola Tesla have patented the 32 ways of transferring power to the rotor without wires. I.e. the induction motor. The basic principle is two phases shifted to each other. When running only one phase is necessary. It's hard to see in the videos how many phases and poles the stator ring has. It could look like two or three wires feeding the torus coil. What matters is to deliver high power pulses. The small battery can't deliver much mean power. But if delivering the power as pulses the peak power can be very high. This is just like buying small computer speakers and reading that the power rating is more than 100W. This is single pulse peak power and is why the speakers don't catch fire when actually only capable delivering perhaps 10W RMS sine power.
 
 Regards
 Ole
 
 

 
 
 ---In [email protected] mailto:[email protected], <mkjekyll@...> mailto:mkjekyll@... wrote :
 
 Ole,
 So how does the stator induce the spin from the 9v battery?

 On 11/24/2018 7:38 AM, onielsen@... mailto:onielsen@... [EVGRAY] wrote:

   Hi Mick,
 
 I don't see any magnets. The only magnetic parts that I see are the stator electromagnetic coil(s) and the generator when attached to the output end. They're the only things having electrical wires to them. The rest looks pure mechanical to me.
 
 Both Kapanadze and Wesley were poisoned at their trip back to Georgia from Turkey. Wesley knew how to survive and thus didn't suffer afterwards. Kapanadze got sick.
 
 The pictures are now attached. The first ones were just drag and dropped without thought of the size. Now the total size is 229 kbyte with even more pictures. I hope Yahoo doesn't discard them this time.
 Links to the videos: 
 
 
 Video 1 (13:30): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3thvqFhFIfY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3thvqFhFIfY
 Video 2 (23:09): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qVUN3GsekKQ&feature=player_embedded http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qVUN3GsekKQ&feature=player_embedded
  
 Regards
 Ole

 
 
 ---In [email protected] mailto:[email protected], <mkjekyll@...> mailto:mkjekyll@... wrote :
 
 Thanks Ole,
 The second video still looks as if maybe there are multiple magnets with a copper strap around them, maybe some version of the metal strapping on large shipping boxes or some kind of tape.  I can see you have been analyzing and digging in to his work.    I don't get the wire part as the unit just seems to spin in one direction faster and faster rather than changing direction where a wire might make more sense.  However I am convinced he has the real deal and it's not sleight of hand else I doubt Wesley would have been poisoned on the plane when he flew over to visit.

 On 11/23/2018 6:55 PM, onielsen@... mailto:onielsen@... [EVGRAY] wrote:

   Hi Mick,
 
 I have this figure from a Russian forum:
 
 It was from here:
 http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=2&hl=en&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dtungus%2Bts%2Btk%26client%3Dsafari%26hl%3Den-gb&rurl=translate.google.com&sl=ru&u=http://realstrannik.ru/forum/39-kapanadze/46775-diski-kapanadze.html&usg=ALkJrhgTJDiUkCbLNna7H96c-DQwBOuG2Q#46775 http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=2&hl=en&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dtungus%2Bts%2Btk%26client%3Dsafari%26hl%3Den-gb&rurl=translate.google.com&sl=ru&u=http://realstrannik.ru/forum/39-kapanadze/46775-diski-kapanadze.html&usg=ALkJrhgTJDiUkCbLNna7H96c-DQwBOuG2Q#46775
 But this address doesn't work anymore.
 
 There is no guarantee that this figure is correct. To me it could as well look like the shaft going right through the device and the secondary flywheel is free to rotate if it wasn't for the helical wire or spring between the two flywheels. The question is which flywheel is connected where? One end is the input and the other end is the output.