Re: [EVGRAY] How Can the Zero-Point Energy Become an Energy Source?

It seems that we are entering the realm of electric car motors, that try to optimize every part of the rotation. Has anybody been visiting some of the electric hot rodder's forums?My friend Mike, who is putting a Nissan Leaf drive train in his 1.5 ton Volkswagon truck is heavy into this type of motor conversation.Cheers Warren

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  On Wed, 14 Nov 2018 at 12:01 AM, Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY]<[email protected]> wrote:       
 

Kone, 
 
 
Its a BLDC motor.  The outside is the rotor like a hub motor so the centrifugal force holds them in place along with his super magnet glue, rotates the magnets not a shield.  There are two main types of pulse systems for BLDC I forget the names but has to do with waveshape.  Easy to see which his is by the scope brainfade on the name right now.
 
He has no heat problems as the reverse windings suck it off on the flyback pulse during rest cycle of the pulsetrain.
 
He is using both back EMF and the flyback pulse in different modalities.  Steering diodes to collect Lenz back emf and reverse windings every other slot per phase: Phase one forward wound, skip two reverse wound skip two forward wound, same for each phase.  33035 and 33039 chips run it
 
 On 11/13/2018 8:22 PM, [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
  
    
Hi Jakob and Mick and all
 Very good video of Ron Brandt.
 I learned alot; he uses hall effects and transistors to pulse. Very strong neodymium magnets 100lb pull,
 Iron core material, no brushes so windings stationary while magnets rotate but is possible magnets also stationary with some sort of magnetic interruptor/sheild rotates between magnets and coils similar to Eklin which he mentions he built some of.
 Studyng that cross section drawing more will tell what it is that rotates ...i would imagine heat problems and much drag to rotation if he is rotating magnets of that strength past iron cores especially if it gets to to high rpms above 3000...so maybe it is a rotating interruptoe plate/ring of some kind working like an Eklin machine.
 It is 3ph and looks like DC from scope, showing just one of the three phases. I don't think AC like rotovertor with run cap/rotary transformer phase
 but could be...has backemf/recoil flyback recovery (Sorry Norm he calls it back emf) and interesting it goes 1000rpm faster with it disconnected so sounds like he has not got that quite right yet however he says he does save it into caps and uses it onr next pulse ...his draw of 2100 watts pretty heavy maybe this is while loaded on dynometr which isn't too bad.
 Kone
  
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Kone,

Thank for renewing my interest into the washing machine motors, they
look like the bees knees for research.  I guess these things don't use
iron on the windings.  Are you aware which if any BLDC controllers are
bipolar so one not need changing windings if using s N-S-N-S-N-S magnets.

On 11/14/2018 12:21 AM, [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>  
>
> Hi Mick
> Well on bright side I see those manyy pancake washing machine motors
> on market you can salvage for free are actually copies of Ron Brandt
> motors, as windings and cores looks same, they are 3ph, and it has
> those curved magnets that rotate in drum out side of the windings and
> cores. Very similar and those pancake washing machine motors very
> great motors to spin stuff with just do your own timing and pulsing
> via halls and.mosfets
> Note also Ron mentions to get 30hp or 50hp motor, the stator diameter
> remains same, but you stack more units onto axle lemgth...also similar
> to pancake washing machine motors if you want to power a car you will
> need maybe 4 or 5 on common axle....
> Kone
>
>

James,

How did you make your multicoiler?
Can you explain the carbon-boron addition also?

Disappointing to hear you are still a target of harassment.

Try building an aluminum foil Faraday shield and charge it with a neon
transformer or some source at least 2000v.  I don't quite recall if it
is AC or DC try both but pulsed DC sounds correct. One uses a gas
discharge tube from the charged shield to ground and the EM harassment
couples to the E field, if probably requires a negative charge to
accomplish this like a 1/2 wave negative pulse, just be sure not to
catch anything on fire from the potential sparks.  Can also use a bunch
of saltwater capacitor Leyden jars:  power
supply-shield-GDT-Leyden-ground so the energy has a good sink.   Also be
careful of attracting lightening, best turn off during lightening season.

On 11/14/2018 11:17 AM, James Glinski [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>  
>
> I notice the design of the motor is much like a ceiling fan motor
> ...you can get them for almost nothing at a scrap yard there so common
> .something cheap to tinker with .  and we need more information on his
> work even a block understanding or base principal would give some
> direction .I finely got my ten coil mulity strand going and turned a
> profit from it got two golf cart batteries and they were dead with
> sulfation read 12 volts but only lasted 1/2 hour till inverters tuned
> off but now the run all night it's desufating and charging .now I need
> a battery charge meter from Napa .got them for 20  bucks each looks
> like I'm going for a 12 battery system to parrell my solar panel
> system a Bedini plus the four battery system .that would be around 160
> for dead golf cart batteries an 80 % savings .it's to soon to really
> tell yet .  I might actually be able to get a refrigerator running
> full time on it 🙌.
>
> On Wednesday, November 14, 2018, Mick [email protected]
> <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] <[email protected]
> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>
>      
>
>     Warren, You could also drive it like a magneto with some points
>     and a condenser/s make a powerful neg nrg genhead
>
>
>     On 11/14/2018 4:01 AM, Warren Keillor
>     [email protected]
>     <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>      
>>
>>     It seems that we are entering the realm of electric car motors,
>>     that try to optimize every part of the rotation. Has anybody been
>>     visiting some of the electric hot rodder's forums?
>>
>>     My friend Mike, who is putting a Nissan Leaf drive train in his
>>     1.5 ton Volkswagon truck is heavy into this type of motor
>>     conversation.
>>     Cheers Warren
>>
>>     Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
>>     <https://go.onelink.me/107872968?pid=InProduct&c=Global_Internal_YGrowth_AndroidEmailSig__AndroidUsers&af_wl=ym&af_sub1=Internal&af_sub2=Global_YGrowth&af_sub3=EmailSignature>
>>
>>         On Wed, 14 Nov 2018 at 12:01 AM, Mick [email protected]
>>         <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY]
>>         <[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected]> wrote:
>>          
>>
>>         Kone,
>>
>>         Its a BLDC motor.  The outside is the rotor like a hub motor
>>         so the centrifugal force holds them in place along with his
>>         super magnet glue, rotates the magnets not a shield.  There
>>         are two main types of pulse systems for BLDC I forget the
>>         names but has to do with waveshape.  Easy to see which his is
>>         by the scope brainfade on the name right now.
>>
>>         He has no heat problems as the reverse windings suck it off
>>         on the flyback pulse during rest cycle of the pulsetrain.
>>
>>         He is using both back EMF and the flyback pulse in different
>>         modalities.  Steering diodes to collect Lenz back emf and
>>         reverse windings every other slot per phase: Phase one
>>         forward wound, skip two reverse wound skip two forward wound,
>>         same for each phase.  33035 and 33039 chips run it
>>
>>         On 11/13/2018 8:22 PM, [email protected]
>>         <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>          
>>>
>>>         Hi Jakob and Mick and all
>>>         Very good video of Ron Brandt.
>>>         I learned alot; he uses hall effects and transistors to
>>>         pulse. Very strong neodymium magnets 100lb pull,
>>>         Iron core material, no brushes so windings stationary while
>>>         magnets rotate but is possible magnets also stationary with
>>>         some sort of magnetic interruptor/sheild rotates between
>>>         magnets and coils similar to Eklin which he mentions he
>>>         built some of.
>>>         Studyng that cross section drawing more will tell what it is
>>>         that rotates ...i would imagine heat problems and much drag
>>>         to rotation if he is rotating magnets of that strength past
>>>         iron cores especially if it gets to to high rpms above
>>>         3000...so maybe it is a rotating interruptoe plate/ring of
>>>         some kind working like an Eklin machine.
>>>         It is 3ph and looks like DC from scope, showing just one of
>>>         the three phases. I don't think AC like rotovertor with run
>>>         cap/rotary transformer phase
>>>         but could be...has backemf/recoil flyback recovery (Sorry
>>>         Norm he calls it back emf) and interesting it goes 1000rpm
>>>         faster with it disconnected so sounds like he has not got
>>>         that quite right yet however he says he does save it into
>>>         caps and uses it onr next pulse ...his draw of 2100 watts
>>>         pretty heavy maybe this is while loaded on dynometr which
>>>         isn't too bad.
>>>         Kone
>>>
>
>

I notice the design of the motor is much like a ceiling fan motor ..you can
get them for almost nothing at a scrap yard there so common .something
cheap to tinker with .  and we need more information on his work even a
block understanding or base principal would give some direction .I finely
got my ten coil mulity strand going and turned a profit from it got two
golf cart batteries and they were dead with sulfation read 12 volts but
only lasted 1/2 hour till inverters tuned off but now the run all night
it's desufating and charging .now I need a battery charge meter from Napa
.got them for 20  bucks each looks like I'm going for a 12 battery system
to parrell my solar panel system a Bedini plus the four battery system
.that would be around 160 for dead golf cart batteries an 80 % savings
.it's to soon to really tell yet .  I might actually be able to get a
refrigerator running full time on it 🙌.

On Wednesday, November 14, 2018, Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY] <
[email protected]> wrote:

>
>
> Warren, You could also drive it like a magneto with some points and a
> condenser/s make a powerful neg nrg genhead
>
> On 11/14/2018 4:01 AM, Warren Keillor [email protected]
> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>
>
>
> It seems that we are entering the realm of electric car motors, that try
> to optimize every part of the rotation. Has anybody been visiting some of
> the electric hot rodder's forums?
> My friend Mike, who is putting a Nissan Leaf drive train in his 1.5 ton
> Volkswagon truck is heavy into this type of motor conversation.
> Cheers Warren
>
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
> <https://go.onelink.me/107872968?pid=InProduct&c=Global_Internal_YGrowth_AndroidEmailSig__AndroidUsers&af_wl=ym&af_sub1=Internal&af_sub2=Global_YGrowth&af_sub3=EmailSignature>
>
> On Wed, 14 Nov 2018 at 12:01 AM, Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY]
> <[email protected]> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
> Kone,
>
> Its a BLDC motor.  The outside is the rotor like a hub motor so the
> centrifugal force holds them in place along with his super magnet glue,
> rotates the magnets not a shield.  There are two main types of pulse
> systems for BLDC I forget the names but has to do with waveshape.  Easy to
> see which his is by the scope brainfade on the name right now.
>
> He has no heat problems as the reverse windings suck it off on the flyback
> pulse during rest cycle of the pulsetrain.
>
> He is using both back EMF and the flyback pulse in different modalities.
> Steering diodes to collect Lenz back emf and reverse windings every other
> slot per phase: Phase one forward wound, skip two reverse wound skip two
> forward wound, same for each phase.  33035 and 33039 chips run it
> On 11/13/2018 8:22 PM, [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>
>
>
> Hi Jakob and Mick and all
> Very good video of Ron Brandt.
> I learned alot; he uses hall effects and transistors to pulse. Very strong
> neodymium magnets 100lb pull,
> Iron core material, no brushes so windings stationary while magnets rotate
> but is possible magnets also stationary with some sort of magnetic
> interruptor/sheild rotates between magnets and coils similar to Eklin which
> he mentions he built some of.
> Studyng that cross section drawing more will tell what it is that rotates
> ...i would imagine heat problems and much drag to rotation if he is
> rotating magnets of that strength past iron cores especially if it gets to
> to high rpms above 3000...so maybe it is a rotating interruptoe plate/ring
> of some kind working like an Eklin machine.
> It is 3ph and looks like DC from scope, showing just one of the three
> phases. I don't think AC like rotovertor with run cap/rotary transformer
> phase
> but could be...has backemf/recoil flyback recovery (Sorry Norm he calls it
> back emf) and interesting it goes 1000rpm faster with it disconnected so
> sounds like he has not got that quite right yet however he says he does
> save it into caps and uses it onr next pulse ...his draw of 2100 watts
> pretty heavy maybe this is while loaded on dynometr which isn't too bad.
> Kone
>
>
> 
>

It will be a day of days when I can charge up the 12 batteries in the dark
with out any out side help by rotating Thu the purely cold energy   Bedini
wheel and no cap dump .I would of done this sooner but every time I tried
they hurt me a lot but some how I got it done .with out the agony . I'm
going to try to put powered carbon in a glass tube surrounded by
directional neo's and see if it helps the charging .it's the VSG tec.where
the hi voltage pulsing flips the some of the carbon isotopes in to boron
and back releasing large quantities of cold electricity .any thing above
100 volts DC positive makes it take off .so a pulsing 350 to 400 volt
Bedini wheel should work .time will tell .

On Wednesday, November 14, 2018, James Glinski <[email protected]> wrote:

> I notice the design of the motor is much like a ceiling fan motor ..you
> can get them for almost nothing at a scrap yard there so common .something
> cheap to tinker with .  and we need more information on his work even a
> block understanding or base principal would give some direction .I finely
> got my ten coil mulity strand going and turned a profit from it got two
> golf cart batteries and they were dead with sulfation read 12 volts but
> only lasted 1/2 hour till inverters tuned off but now the run all night
> it's desufating and charging .now I need a battery charge meter from Napa
> .got them for 20  bucks each looks like I'm going for a 12 battery system
> to parrell my solar panel system a Bedini plus the four battery system
> .that would be around 160 for dead golf cart batteries an 80 % savings
> .it's to soon to really tell yet .  I might actually be able to get a
> refrigerator running full time on it 🙌.
>
> On Wednesday, November 14, 2018, Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY] <
> [email protected]> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Warren, You could also drive it like a magneto with some points and a
>> condenser/s make a powerful neg nrg genhead
>>
>> On 11/14/2018 4:01 AM, Warren Keillor [email protected]
>> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> It seems that we are entering the realm of electric car motors, that try
>> to optimize every part of the rotation. Has anybody been visiting some of
>> the electric hot rodder's forums?
>> My friend Mike, who is putting a Nissan Leaf drive train in his 1.5 ton
>> Volkswagon truck is heavy into this type of motor conversation.
>> Cheers Warren
>>
>> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
>> <https://go.onelink.me/107872968?pid=InProduct&c=Global_Internal_YGrowth_AndroidEmailSig__AndroidUsers&af_wl=ym&af_sub1=Internal&af_sub2=Global_YGrowth&af_sub3=EmailSignature>
>>
>> On Wed, 14 Nov 2018 at 12:01 AM, Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY]
>> <[email protected]> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Kone,
>>
>> Its a BLDC motor.  The outside is the rotor like a hub motor so the
>> centrifugal force holds them in place along with his super magnet glue,
>> rotates the magnets not a shield.  There are two main types of pulse
>> systems for BLDC I forget the names but has to do with waveshape.  Easy to
>> see which his is by the scope brainfade on the name right now.
>>
>> He has no heat problems as the reverse windings suck it off on the
>> flyback pulse during rest cycle of the pulsetrain.
>>
>> He is using both back EMF and the flyback pulse in different modalities.
>> Steering diodes to collect Lenz back emf and reverse windings every other
>> slot per phase: Phase one forward wound, skip two reverse wound skip two
>> forward wound, same for each phase.  33035 and 33039 chips run it
>> On 11/13/2018 8:22 PM, [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi Jakob and Mick and all
>> Very good video of Ron Brandt.
>> I learned alot; he uses hall effects and transistors to pulse. Very
>> strong neodymium magnets 100lb pull,
>> Iron core material, no brushes so windings stationary while magnets
>> rotate but is possible magnets also stationary with some sort of magnetic
>> interruptor/sheild rotates between magnets and coils similar to Eklin which
>> he mentions he built some of.
>> Studyng that cross section drawing more will tell what it is that rotates
>> ...i would imagine heat problems and much drag to rotation if he is
>> rotating magnets of that strength past iron cores especially if it gets to
>> to high rpms above 3000...so maybe it is a rotating interruptoe plate/ring
>> of some kind working like an Eklin machine.
>> It is 3ph and looks like DC from scope, showing just one of the three
>> phases. I don't think AC like rotovertor with run cap/rotary transformer
>> phase
>> but could be...has backemf/recoil flyback recovery (Sorry Norm he calls
>> it back emf) and interesting it goes 1000rpm faster with it disconnected so
>> sounds like he has not got that quite right yet however he says he does
>> save it into caps and uses it onr next pulse ...his draw of 2100 watts
>> pretty heavy maybe this is while loaded on dynometr which isn't too bad.
>> Kone
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>

Hi James 
The nice battery Meyers are ones that also measure internal resistance of battery which is really good tjonh to know. Usually auto store battery testers tell you only the CCA cold cranking amps which is ok but internal resistance even better. CheAp hyromeyerz are great with wet cells but is possible ypur specific gravity reads good but internal resistance bad..
Anyways these battery resistance meterrs 60 bucks on enay.
Let us know more about your 10 coil multi strand thing....is this rotating bedini wheel or something else...
With lead acids just slam in the flyback spikes...if you go with cap charging for 13v batteries Dave up cap to 36v then let loose to charge and have cap drop to only 23v during discharge now every joules released doing good charge. This method restricted to lead acids only of course.
Kone

Kone!  Such a common error!  ( has backemf/recoil flyback recovery 
(Sorry Norm he calls it back emf)

On 11/13/2018 10:22 PM, [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
> has backemf/recoil flyback recovery (Sorry Norm he calls it back emf)

Hi James
I wrote Gary a few days ago have not heard back last video he put up his speed and pulse controller blew up from stray wire and is fixing it.
In nutshell what I know he uses one of those pancake washing machine motors with perm magnet rotor on out side of stators....he puts his own hall effects on it and spins it  then with toothed rubber automotive timing belt and pulleys he spins pancake motor say 500rpm (guessing) while two stepper motors Working  as generators hit their sweet spot in rpms where they get delayed Lenz effect and speed up under loading and trick is to find tis rpm window and step up to perhaps 4000rpm [guessing)) and find that narrow rpm window they must spin at to negate Lenz law...might be window.of only 200rpm to find...so under 3900 and over 4100 will not work as example and guess.
Gary said the guy told him to test unit under load, run it up and down in rpms until you find where amp draw goes down dramatically  to pancake motor the that should be sweet spot to run it at.
Gary also said it looped without a flywheel but it helps a lot when introducing the load to generators to prevent stalling.
Look on YouTube "Don Smith #187 " 
Kone

Hi Mick

In particular motor in video with rotor of16 NS magnets. and 49 slots for coils 
.i think geometry says 49 slots means 48 core structures for coils to wind around...not sure but let's assume  this so I will guess when he pulsez the coils he is both pushing and pulling in same direction each rotor magnet by the bridging across of coil to N and S adjacent magnet edge, so n basically the coils connected in sets of 3 adjacent coils these 3 all wound same all same polarity...so 16 sets of three, NSNS etc all the way around to setz of tbree coil's pokarity.You need to reverse pulse polarity every other firing of that string of 16 sets of three so all this easily done with halls and disc with timing magnets on back of shaft.
Actually now thinking it should be I8 sets of 3 coils firing simultaneouz with 3 adjacent coils in between left blank, then the 3 blanks fire opposite pomarity to move rotor magnets In pull push fazhion. Really not so difficult one you get concept then wind it so it works....
For speed conrtoller, hookup WPM to it, you might need two in parallel one for each pulse polarity...them the steering diodes into caps for flyback recoverybackem/recoil flyback recovery,.
Ron lived near MtAdams that's your territory 
Kone