Re: [EVGRAY] Peculiar world...

I posted this Motherboard article and it opens properly for me! What is 
the problem????


On 9/27/2018 8:50 AM, Lutz Liebers [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>
> Off topic objection:
>
> You can click on the yahoo-advertising link, but the cargo of this 
> message below
> is plain text only.
>
>>
>>
>> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
>> <https://go.onelink.me/107872968?pid=InProduct&c=Global_Internal_YGrowth_AndroidEmailSig__AndroidUsers&af_wl=ym&af_sub1=Internal&af_sub2=Global_YGrowth&af_sub3=EmailSignature>
>> https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/43ppaq/we-may-have-identified-what-lies-at-the-outermost-edge-of-our-solar-system?utm_campaign=interest&utm_source=mbfbads
>
>

Sent from Yahoo Mail on Androidhttps://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/43ppaq/we-may-have-identified-what-lies-at-the-outermost-edge-of-our-solar-system?utm_campaign=interest&utm_source=mbfbads

Empty body

Problem might be you operating system ? They maynot have adapted yet .
On Sep 27, 2018 10:46 AM, "Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY]" <
[email protected]> wrote:

>
>
> I posted this Motherboard article and it opens properly for me!  What is
> the problem????
>
> On 9/27/2018 8:50 AM, Lutz Liebers [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>
>
>
> Off topic objection:
>
> You can click on the yahoo-advertising link, but the cargo of this message
> below
> is plain text only.
>
>
>
>
>
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
> <https://go.onelink.me/107872968?pid=InProduct&c=Global_Internal_YGrowth_AndroidEmailSig__AndroidUsers&af_wl=ym&af_sub1=Internal&af_sub2=Global_YGrowth&af_sub3=EmailSignature>
> https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/43ppaq/we-may-
> have-identified-what-lies-at-the-outermost-edge-of-our-
> solar-system?utm_campaign=interest&utm_source=mbfbads
>
>
>
> 
>

They would all short circuit in the saline bath, and anyway you nailed the cure on the wall when you said; "under "LINUX" mint, does not have problems with professional links." mumble, mumble, mumble... I thimnk...


https://www.infosystem.co.id/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/Linux-logo.gif    On Thursday, September 27, 2018, 11:49:43 AM PDT, Lutz Liebers [email protected] [EVGRAY] <[email protected]> wrote:  
 
     
 
 
Am 27.09.2018 um 17:44 wrote Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY]:
  
    
 
 
I posted this Motherboard article and it opens properly for me!  What is the problem????
 
 
  
 Short answer: going online, I don't use a mobile phone, cause I can afford a computer, so it's my fault.
 
 Long answer: As you may see below, your motherboard "link" looks like a mere character string, black font, without being underlined, 
 at least here on the receiver side under thunderbird running on pc.
 Character strings cannot open by definition under standard operating systems for real computers.
 
 But no problem with the yahoo-link above, it opens properly so my thunderbird version 52.6.0 (64-Bit) under linux mint does not have problems with professional links.
 
 Maybe the pc using community could report its experience with this matter. It's always like this, that supposed links, sent by smart phone, 
 turn out to be strings.
 
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Norman,
 

 About one in ten of your posts are just blank for me... and I am running Linux mint.
 

 Ron

Norm,

Weird story, never heard that one.  Lately I am very unhappy with the
lack of concern for privacy.  Most everyone carries a phone around that
spies on them for corporations.  Google, Apple, Facebook and Twitter
have become the defacto spy networks.  They all can connect to ones
phone and use it's location, mic or camera at their discretion, they
even tout these facts in their latest user agreements.  Even if one has
the ability or smarts to lock this off the constitutional protections we
are supposed to have from government are no longer in place for data
networks.

I think it is despicable what these companies do. specially Apple who
has turned against musicians and uses Chinese slave labor at it's
subsidiary companies like Foxconn building phones.  They force
schoolkids to build phones for free.  After school the Chinese slaves
must go work for Apple vampires or not graduate.

Perhaps Ron has a good point in that he is exchanging the hassle and
shortcomings of a non commercial OS in order to be secure.  I have
switched to Ubuntu touch for my phone and can say many things dont work
properly like bluetooth but I gladly forfeit these apps knowing I am not
carrying a Trojan horse around.   Google android is like having the NSA
in ones back pocket and Apple IOS is like having the Chinese MSS in ones
pocket.  I am sure the two countries have intelligence sharing treaties
as the fact China are commie murderers doesn't seem to phase anyone
anymore.  The powers that be just want a world war with Russia a mostly
free society while bending over for Chinese scum, I guess the pay is better.



On 9/28/2018 7:18 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>  
>
> Another note that Doug (Kone Head) will well remember goes back
> several years when we had a real trouble maker on this site. It got so
> bad that Kone had to break his saber and throw it out the gate along
> with him. He was a real computer savy guy and right after his being
> thrown out all of our YAHOO problems began!   DUH!
>
>
> On 9/28/2018 9:08 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>  
>>
>> Another note about YAHOO, it is so FUCKED UP that Although I can post
>> and receive messages within the group, I cannot access the files etc.
>> cause YAHOO says I am not a member. When I try to register as a
>> member it says CANNOT DO cause you are already a member.  Talked
>> about a FUCKED UP System, you are looking at one!
>>
>> My TWO CENTS!  Norm
>>
>>
>> On 9/28/2018 8:49 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>  
>>>
>>> BTW!  Back in the days when Microsoft was trying to get an OS to
>>> mimic MAC, I installed your LINUX OS and it took me back to the old
>>> days  of running MS DOS.   Not  operator friendly at all!   Good for
>>> NERDS!
>>>
>>>
>>> On 9/28/2018 8:44 AM, Norman Wootan wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I have been running FireFox & Thuunderbird (Mozzila) for last 30
>>>> years! I guess there is an incompatibility with LINUX
>>>>
>>>> Sorry you miss out on so many post to the group!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 9/28/2018 2:43 AM, Eugen Ozon [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>>  
>>>>>
>>>>> If you read posts in web page (browser) your yahoo session expire
>>>>> after a time.
>>>>> You have to login again (sent user and password) otherwise your
>>>>> content will apear blank.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 09/28/2018 01:18 AM, [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>>>  
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Norman,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> About one in ten of your posts are just blank for me... and I am
>>>>>> running Linux mint.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ron
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -- 
>>>>> Eugen Ozon
>>>>>
>>>>> Plan your work work your Plan
>>>>>  ...Where there is a Will there is a Way...
>>>>> The More you Know the more you Know you don't Know
>>>>> Good, Better, Best, Never let it rest,  until the Good is the better,
>>>>> and the Better is the Best, 
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
>

I have been running FireFox & Thuunderbird (Mozzila) for last 30 years! 
I guess there is an incompatibility with LINUX

Sorry you miss out on so many post to the group!


On 9/28/2018 2:43 AM, Eugen Ozon [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>
> If you read posts in web page (browser) your yahoo session expire 
> after a time.
> You have to login again (sent user and password) otherwise your 
> content will apear blank.
>
>
>
> On 09/28/2018 01:18 AM, [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>
>>
>> Norman,
>>
>> About one in ten of your posts are just blank for me... and I am 
>> running Linux mint.
>>
>> Ron
>
>
> -- 
> Eugen Ozon
>
> Plan your work work your Plan
>   ...Where there is a Will there is a Way...
> The More you Know the more you Know you don't Know
> Good, Better, Best, Never let it rest,  until the Good is the better,
> and the Better is the Best,
>

BTW!  Back in the days when Microsoft was trying to get an OS to mimic 
MAC, I installed your LINUX OS and it took me back to the old days  of 
running MS DOS.   Not  operator friendly at all! Good for NERDS!


On 9/28/2018 8:44 AM, Norman Wootan wrote:
>
> I have been running FireFox & Thuunderbird (Mozzila) for last 30 
> years! I guess there is an incompatibility with LINUX
>
> Sorry you miss out on so many post to the group!
>
>
> On 9/28/2018 2:43 AM, Eugen Ozon [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>
>> If you read posts in web page (browser) your yahoo session expire 
>> after a time.
>> You have to login again (sent user and password) otherwise your 
>> content will apear blank.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 09/28/2018 01:18 AM, [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Norman,
>>>
>>> About one in ten of your posts are just blank for me... and I am 
>>> running Linux mint.
>>>
>>> Ron
>>
>>
>> -- 
>> Eugen Ozon
>>
>> Plan your work work your Plan
>>   ...Where there is a Will there is a Way...
>> The More you Know the more you Know you don't Know
>> Good, Better, Best, Never let it rest,  until the Good is the better,
>> and the Better is the Best,
>> 
>

Another note about YAHOO, it is so FUCKED UP that Although I can post 
and receive messages within the group, I cannot access the files etc. 
cause YAHOO says I am not a member. When I try to register as a member 
it says CANNOT DO cause you are already a member.  Talked about a FUCKED 
UP System, you are looking at one!

My TWO CENTS!  Norm


On 9/28/2018 8:49 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>
> BTW!  Back in the days when Microsoft was trying to get an OS to mimic 
> MAC, I installed your LINUX OS and it took me back to the old days  of 
> running MS DOS.   Not operator friendly at all!   Good for NERDS!
>
>
> On 9/28/2018 8:44 AM, Norman Wootan wrote:
>>
>> I have been running FireFox & Thuunderbird (Mozzila) for last 30 
>> years! I guess there is an incompatibility with LINUX
>>
>> Sorry you miss out on so many post to the group!
>>
>>
>> On 9/28/2018 2:43 AM, Eugen Ozon [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>
>>> If you read posts in web page (browser) your yahoo session expire 
>>> after a time.
>>> You have to login again (sent user and password) otherwise your 
>>> content will apear blank.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 09/28/2018 01:18 AM, [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Norman,
>>>>
>>>> About one in ten of your posts are just blank for me... and I am 
>>>> running Linux mint.
>>>>
>>>> Ron
>>>
>>>
>>> -- 
>>> Eugen Ozon
>>>
>>> Plan your work work your Plan
>>>   ...Where there is a Will there is a Way...
>>> The More you Know the more you Know you don't Know
>>> Good, Better, Best, Never let it rest,  until the Good is the better,
>>> and the Better is the Best,
>>
>
>

Another note that Doug (Kone Head) will well remember goes back several 
years when we had a real trouble maker on this site. It got so bad that 
Kone had to break his saber and throw it out the gate along with him. He 
was a real computer savy guy and right after his being thrown out all of 
our YAHOO problems began!   DUH!


On 9/28/2018 9:08 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>
> Another note about YAHOO, it is so FUCKED UP that Although I can post 
> and receive messages within the group, I cannot access the files etc. 
> cause YAHOO says I am not a member. When I try to register as a member 
> it says CANNOT DO cause you are already a member.  Talked about a 
> FUCKED UP System, you are looking at one!
>
> My TWO CENTS!  Norm
>
>
> On 9/28/2018 8:49 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>
>> BTW!  Back in the days when Microsoft was trying to get an OS to 
>> mimic MAC, I installed your LINUX OS and it took me back to the old 
>> days  of running MS DOS. Not  operator friendly at all!   Good for NERDS!
>>
>>
>> On 9/28/2018 8:44 AM, Norman Wootan wrote:
>>>
>>> I have been running FireFox & Thuunderbird (Mozzila) for last 30 
>>> years! I guess there is an incompatibility with LINUX
>>>
>>> Sorry you miss out on so many post to the group!
>>>
>>>
>>> On 9/28/2018 2:43 AM, Eugen Ozon [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>
>>>> If you read posts in web page (browser) your yahoo session expire 
>>>> after a time.
>>>> You have to login again (sent user and password) otherwise your 
>>>> content will apear blank.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 09/28/2018 01:18 AM, [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Norman,
>>>>>
>>>>> About one in ten of your posts are just blank for me... and I am 
>>>>> running Linux mint.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ron
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -- 
>>>> Eugen Ozon
>>>>
>>>> Plan your work work your Plan
>>>>   ...Where there is a Will there is a Way...
>>>> The More you Know the more you Know you don't Know
>>>> Good, Better, Best, Never let it rest,  until the Good is the better,
>>>> and the Better is the Best,
>>>
>>
>
>

If you read posts in web page (browser) your yahoo session expire after 
a time.
You have to login again (sent user and password) otherwise your content 
will apear blank.



On 09/28/2018 01:18 AM, [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>
>
> Norman,
>
> About one in ten of your posts are just blank for me... and I am 
> running Linux mint.
>
> Ron
> 


-- 
Eugen Ozon

Plan your work work your Plan
  ...Where there is a Will there is a Way...
The More you Know the more you Know you don't Know
Good, Better, Best, Never let it rest,  until the Good is the better,
and the Better is the Best,

PRIVACY????? You have to kidding me!  Put on your thinking cap and turn 
the selection to LOGIC!  Back when the decision was made to shift all 
forms of communications and data into the digital format from analog was 
your surrender of any privacy at all.  Just take a look at what has gone 
down while you were sleeping!

https://www.quora.com/Can-analog-signals-be-stored-in-a-memory-If-not-why 
Just think about an encryption algorithm in analog!!   Since you are 
dealing with infinity, it cannot be de-crypted!  The powers to be would 
not be happy!

https://www.quora.com/Can-analog-signals-be-stored-in-a-memory-If-not-why 
Your goose is cooked!

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jun/14/nsa-utah-data-facility 
Fully operational with capability and does store every key stroke you 
make and every card swipe you do!  ALL from over the entire globe!

https://www.engadget.com/2018/06/08/summit-supercomputer-research-ai-oak-ridge/ 
Now that is not the final statement!  Looking over the near horizon!

https://www.goldmansachs.com/insights/pages/toshiya-hari-quantum-computing.html?mediaIndex=1&autoPlay=true&cid=sch-pd-google-outsidersquantumcomputing-sitelink-20183--&mkwid=eaBHVnnV&gclid=CjwKCAjworfdBRA7EiwAKX9HeHC3TBFrY2nnKhnKAXtVYWOafxaI-ktP92CyarvHk3yrnvRvzwpRShoChyoQAvD_BwE 
These Quantum Computers are already running in test!  You do not have a 
prayer to hide anything!  Like in the Movie ID-4 (Independence Day, the 
good guys had to resort to the old analog Morse code and so will the ham 
operators that still have analog transceivers.   Just use your LOGICAL mind!

On 9/28/2018 10:29 AM, Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>
> Norm,
>
> Weird story, never heard that one.  Lately I am very unhappy with the 
> lack of concern for privacy.  Most everyone carries a phone around 
> that spies on them for corporations.  Google, Apple, Facebook and 
> Twitter have become the defacto spy networks.  They all can connect to 
> ones phone and use it's location, mic or camera at their discretion, 
> they even tout these facts in their latest user agreements.  Even if 
> one has the ability or smarts to lock this off the constitutional 
> protections we are supposed to have from government are no longer in 
> place for data networks.
>
> I think it is despicable what these companies do. specially Apple who 
> has turned against musicians and uses Chinese slave labor at it's 
> subsidiary companies like Foxconn building phones.  They force 
> schoolkids to build phones for free.  After school the Chinese slaves 
> must go work for Apple vampires or not graduate.
>
> Perhaps Ron has a good point in that he is exchanging the hassle and 
> shortcomings of a non commercial OS in order to be secure.  I have 
> switched to Ubuntu touch for my phone and can say many things dont 
> work properly like bluetooth but I gladly forfeit these apps knowing I 
> am not carrying a Trojan horse around.   Google android is like having 
> the NSA in ones back pocket and Apple IOS is like having the Chinese 
> MSS in ones pocket.  I am sure the two countries have intelligence 
> sharing treaties as the fact China are commie murderers doesn't seem 
> to phase anyone anymore. The powers that be just want a world war with 
> Russia a mostly free society while bending over for Chinese scum, I 
> guess the pay is better.
>
>
>
> On 9/28/2018 7:18 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>
>> Another note that Doug (Kone Head) will well remember goes back 
>> several years when we had a real trouble maker on this site. It got 
>> so bad that Kone had to break his saber and throw it out the gate 
>> along with him. He was a real computer savy guy and right after his 
>> being thrown out all of our YAHOO problems began!   DUH!
>>
>>
>> On 9/28/2018 9:08 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>
>>> Another note about YAHOO, it is so FUCKED UP that Although I can 
>>> post and receive messages within the group, I cannot access the 
>>> files etc. cause YAHOO says I am not a member. When I try to 
>>> register as a member it says CANNOT DO cause you are already a 
>>> member.  Talked about a FUCKED UP System, you are looking at one!
>>>
>>> My TWO CENTS!  Norm
>>>
>>>
>>> On 9/28/2018 8:49 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>
>>>> BTW!  Back in the days when Microsoft was trying to get an OS to 
>>>> mimic MAC, I installed your LINUX OS and it took me back to the old 
>>>> days  of running MS DOS.   Not  operator friendly at all!   Good 
>>>> for NERDS!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 9/28/2018 8:44 AM, Norman Wootan wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I have been running FireFox & Thuunderbird (Mozzila) for last 30 
>>>>> years! I guess there is an incompatibility with LINUX
>>>>>
>>>>> Sorry you miss out on so many post to the group!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 9/28/2018 2:43 AM, Eugen Ozon [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If you read posts in web page (browser) your yahoo session expire 
>>>>>> after a time.
>>>>>> You have to login again (sent user and password) otherwise your 
>>>>>> content will apear blank.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 09/28/2018 01:18 AM, [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Norman,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> About one in ten of your posts are just blank for me... and I am 
>>>>>>> running Linux mint.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ron
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -- 
>>>>>> Eugen Ozon
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Plan your work work your Plan
>>>>>>   ...Where there is a Will there is a Way...
>>>>>> The More you Know the more you Know you don't Know
>>>>>> Good, Better, Best, Never let it rest,  until the Good is the better,
>>>>>> and the Better is the Best,
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
>

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/41516959/ns/technology_and_science-innovation/t/worlds-shift-analog-digital-nearly-complete/#.W65f1vZRc2w


On 9/28/2018 11:54 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>
> PRIVACY????? You have to kidding me!  Put on your thinking cap and 
> turn the selection to LOGIC!  Back when the decision was made to shift 
> all forms of communications and data into the digital format from 
> analog was your surrender of any privacy at all.  Just take a look at 
> what has gone down while you were sleeping!
>
> https://www.quora.com/Can-analog-signals-be-stored-in-a-memory-If-not-why 
> Just think about an encryption algorithm in analog!! Since you are 
> dealing with infinity, it cannot be de-crypted!  The powers to be 
> would not be happy!
>
> https://www.quora.com/Can-analog-signals-be-stored-in-a-memory-If-not-why 
> Your goose is cooked!
>
> https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jun/14/nsa-utah-data-facility 
> Fully operational with capability and does store every key stroke you 
> make and every card swipe you do!  ALL from over the entire globe!
>
> https://www.engadget.com/2018/06/08/summit-supercomputer-research-ai-oak-ridge/ 
> Now that is not the final statement!  Looking over the near horizon!
>
> https://www.goldmansachs.com/insights/pages/toshiya-hari-quantum-computing.html?mediaIndex=1&autoPlay=true&cid=sch-pd-google-outsidersquantumcomputing-sitelink-20183--&mkwid=eaBHVnnV&gclid=CjwKCAjworfdBRA7EiwAKX9HeHC3TBFrY2nnKhnKAXtVYWOafxaI-ktP92CyarvHk3yrnvRvzwpRShoChyoQAvD_BwE 
> These Quantum Computers are already running in test!  You do not have 
> a prayer to hide anything!  Like in the Movie ID-4 (Independence Day, 
> the good guys had to resort to the old analog Morse code and so will 
> the ham operators that still have analog transceivers.   Just use your 
> LOGICAL mind!
>
> On 9/28/2018 10:29 AM, Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>
>> Norm,
>>
>> Weird story, never heard that one.  Lately I am very unhappy with the 
>> lack of concern for privacy.  Most everyone carries a phone around 
>> that spies on them for corporations.  Google, Apple, Facebook and 
>> Twitter have become the defacto spy networks.  They all can connect 
>> to ones phone and use it's location, mic or camera at their 
>> discretion, they even tout these facts in their latest user 
>> agreements.  Even if one has the ability or smarts to lock this off 
>> the constitutional protections we are supposed to have from 
>> government are no longer in place for data networks.
>>
>> I think it is despicable what these companies do. specially Apple who 
>> has turned against musicians and uses Chinese slave labor at it's 
>> subsidiary companies like Foxconn building phones.  They force 
>> schoolkids to build phones for free.  After school the Chinese slaves 
>> must go work for Apple vampires or not graduate.
>>
>> Perhaps Ron has a good point in that he is exchanging the hassle and 
>> shortcomings of a non commercial OS in order to be secure.  I have 
>> switched to Ubuntu touch for my phone and can say many things dont 
>> work properly like bluetooth but I gladly forfeit these apps knowing 
>> I am not carrying a Trojan horse around.   Google android is like 
>> having the NSA in ones back pocket and Apple IOS is like having the 
>> Chinese MSS in ones pocket.  I am sure the two countries have 
>> intelligence sharing treaties as the fact China are commie murderers 
>> doesn't seem to phase anyone anymore.  The powers that be just want a 
>> world war with Russia a mostly free society while bending over for 
>> Chinese scum, I guess the pay is better.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 9/28/2018 7:18 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>
>>> Another note that Doug (Kone Head) will well remember goes back 
>>> several years when we had a real trouble maker on this site. It got 
>>> so bad that Kone had to break his saber and throw it out the gate 
>>> along with him. He was a real computer savy guy and right after his 
>>> being thrown out all of our YAHOO problems began!   DUH!
>>>
>>>
>>> On 9/28/2018 9:08 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Another note about YAHOO, it is so FUCKED UP that Although I can 
>>>> post and receive messages within the group, I cannot access the 
>>>> files etc. cause YAHOO says I am not a member. When I try to 
>>>> register as a member it says CANNOT DO cause you are already a 
>>>> member.  Talked about a FUCKED UP System, you are looking at one!
>>>>
>>>> My TWO CENTS!  Norm
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 9/28/2018 8:49 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> BTW!  Back in the days when Microsoft was trying to get an OS to 
>>>>> mimic MAC, I installed your LINUX OS and it took me back to the 
>>>>> old days  of running MS DOS. Not  operator friendly at all!   Good 
>>>>> for NERDS!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 9/28/2018 8:44 AM, Norman Wootan wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have been running FireFox & Thuunderbird (Mozzila) for last 30 
>>>>>> years! I guess there is an incompatibility with LINUX
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sorry you miss out on so many post to the group!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 9/28/2018 2:43 AM, Eugen Ozon [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If you read posts in web page (browser) your yahoo session 
>>>>>>> expire after a time.
>>>>>>> You have to login again (sent user and password) otherwise your 
>>>>>>> content will apear blank.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 09/28/2018 01:18 AM, [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Norman,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> About one in ten of your posts are just blank for me... and I 
>>>>>>>> am running Linux mint.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ron
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -- 
>>>>>>> Eugen Ozon
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Plan your work work your Plan
>>>>>>>   ...Where there is a Will there is a Way...
>>>>>>> The More you Know the more you Know you don't Know
>>>>>>> Good, Better, Best, Never let it rest,  until the Good is the better,
>>>>>>> and the Better is the Best,
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
>

Funny pic Lutz .😊
On Sep 28, 2018 9:26 AM, "Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY]" <
[email protected]> wrote:

>
>
> Another note that Doug (Kone Head) will well remember goes back several
> years when we had a real trouble maker on this site. It got so bad that
> Kone had to break his saber and throw it out the gate along with him. He
> was a real computer savy guy and right after his being thrown out all of
> our YAHOO problems began!   DUH!
>
> On 9/28/2018 9:08 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>
>
>
> Another note about YAHOO, it is so FUCKED UP that Although I can post and
> receive messages within the group, I cannot access the files etc. cause
> YAHOO says I am not a member. When I try to register as a member it says
> CANNOT DO cause you are already a member.  Talked about a FUCKED UP System,
> you are looking at one!
>
> My TWO CENTS!  Norm
>
> On 9/28/2018 8:49 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>
>
>
> BTW!  Back in the days when Microsoft was trying to get an OS to mimic
> MAC, I installed your LINUX OS and it took me back to the old days  of
> running MS DOS.   Not  operator friendly at all!   Good for NERDS!
>
> On 9/28/2018 8:44 AM, Norman Wootan wrote:
>
> I have been running FireFox & Thuunderbird (Mozzila) for last 30 years! I
> guess there is an incompatibility with LINUX
>
> Sorry you miss out on so many post to the group!
>
> On 9/28/2018 2:43 AM, Eugen Ozon [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>
>
>
> If you read posts in web page (browser) your yahoo session expire after a
> time.
> You have to login again (sent user and password) otherwise your content
> will apear blank.
>
>
>
> On 09/28/2018 01:18 AM, [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>
>
>
>
> Norman,
>
> About one in ten of your posts are just blank for me... and I am running
> Linux mint.
>
> Ron
>
>
> --
> Eugen Ozon
>
> Plan your work work your Plan
>  ...Where there is a Will there is a Way...
> The More you Know the more you Know you don't Know
> Good, Better, Best, Never let it rest,  until the Good is the better,
> and the Better is the Best,
>
>
>
>
>
> 
>

Yes of course you are correct but why make it simple for them?  I was
not claiming digital communication is safe as is the tone of your
response, my claim only that one can take some steps to be a little
harder to data mine.

Analog is no saving grace as it is easily digitized.  Actually there is
a form of analog that can be stored as digital information and that is
direct stream digital.  It is similar to how a class D amp works but
instead of analog switching at each defined voltage level the switching
is digitally counted and memorized as a pulse stream.  I call this
digilog because audio recorded in this way can be played back with a
simple analog low pass filter.

Encryption in analog, interesting concept! How fine would you encode
that with more dynamic range than lets say 64 bit digital which goes way
beyond the theoretical performance of analog circuitry. Would like to
hear your concepts on this format of encryption.

I was not sleeping and know something about security and encryption and
it is possible to be pretty damn secure digitally, if one wants to go
even further change to lattice encryption if one is afraid of quantum
cracks.

Every phone call is recorded now this is obvious, but leaving a thin
data trail rather than spreading information everywhere, especially the
corporate players who already claim to be recording and monitoring, who
the fuck needs that?


On 9/28/2018 9:54 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>  
>
> PRIVACY????? You have to kidding me!  Put on your thinking cap and
> turn the selection to LOGIC!  Back when the decision was made to shift
> all forms of communications and data into the digital format from
> analog was your surrender of any privacy at all.  Just take a look at
> what has gone down while you were sleeping!
>
> https://www.quora.com/Can-analog-signals-be-stored-in-a-memory-If-not-why  
> Just think about an encryption algorithm in analog!!   Since you are
> dealing with infinity, it cannot be de-crypted!  The powers to be
> would not be happy!
>
> https://www.quora.com/Can-analog-signals-be-stored-in-a-memory-If-not-why     
> Your goose is cooked!
>
> https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jun/14/nsa-utah-data-facility  
> Fully operational with capability and does store every key stroke you
> make and every card swipe you do!  ALL from over the entire globe!
>
> https://www.engadget.com/2018/06/08/summit-supercomputer-research-ai-oak-ridge/     
> Now that is not the final statement!  Looking over the near horizon!
>
> https://www.goldmansachs.com/insights/pages/toshiya-hari-quantum-computing.html?mediaIndex=1&autoPlay=true&cid=sch-pd-google-outsidersquantumcomputing-sitelink-20183--&mkwid=eaBHVnnV&gclid=CjwKCAjworfdBRA7EiwAKX9HeHC3TBFrY2nnKhnKAXtVYWOafxaI-ktP92CyarvHk3yrnvRvzwpRShoChyoQAvD_BwE     
> These Quantum Computers are already running in test!  You do not have
> a prayer to hide anything!  Like in the Movie ID-4 (Independence Day,
> the good guys had to resort to the old analog Morse code and so will
> the ham operators that still have analog transceivers.   Just use your
> LOGICAL mind!
>
> On 9/28/2018 10:29 AM, Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>  
>>
>> Norm,
>>
>> Weird story, never heard that one.  Lately I am very unhappy with the
>> lack of concern for privacy.  Most everyone carries a phone around
>> that spies on them for corporations.  Google, Apple, Facebook and
>> Twitter have become the defacto spy networks.  They all can connect
>> to ones phone and use it's location, mic or camera at their
>> discretion, they even tout these facts in their latest user
>> agreements.  Even if one has the ability or smarts to lock this off
>> the constitutional protections we are supposed to have from
>> government are no longer in place for data networks.
>>
>> I think it is despicable what these companies do. specially Apple who
>> has turned against musicians and uses Chinese slave labor at it's
>> subsidiary companies like Foxconn building phones.  They force
>> schoolkids to build phones for free.  After school the Chinese slaves
>> must go work for Apple vampires or not graduate.
>>
>> Perhaps Ron has a good point in that he is exchanging the hassle and
>> shortcomings of a non commercial OS in order to be secure.  I have
>> switched to Ubuntu touch for my phone and can say many things dont
>> work properly like bluetooth but I gladly forfeit these apps knowing
>> I am not carrying a Trojan horse around.   Google android is like
>> having the NSA in ones back pocket and Apple IOS is like having the
>> Chinese MSS in ones pocket.  I am sure the two countries have
>> intelligence sharing treaties as the fact China are commie murderers
>> doesn't seem to phase anyone anymore.  The powers that be just want a
>> world war with Russia a mostly free society while bending over for
>> Chinese scum, I guess the pay is better.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 9/28/2018 7:18 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>  
>>>
>>> Another note that Doug (Kone Head) will well remember goes back
>>> several years when we had a real trouble maker on this site. It got
>>> so bad that Kone had to break his saber and throw it out the gate
>>> along with him. He was a real computer savy guy and right after his
>>> being thrown out all of our YAHOO problems began!   DUH!
>>>
>>>
>>> On 9/28/2018 9:08 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>  
>>>>
>>>> Another note about YAHOO, it is so FUCKED UP that Although I can
>>>> post and receive messages within the group, I cannot access the
>>>> files etc. cause YAHOO says I am not a member. When I try to
>>>> register as a member it says CANNOT DO cause you are already a
>>>> member.  Talked about a FUCKED UP System, you are looking at one!
>>>>
>>>> My TWO CENTS!  Norm
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 9/28/2018 8:49 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>>  
>>>>>
>>>>> BTW!  Back in the days when Microsoft was trying to get an OS to
>>>>> mimic MAC, I installed your LINUX OS and it took me back to the
>>>>> old days  of running MS DOS.   Not  operator friendly at all!  
>>>>> Good for NERDS!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 9/28/2018 8:44 AM, Norman Wootan wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have been running FireFox & Thuunderbird (Mozzila) for last 30
>>>>>> years! I guess there is an incompatibility with LINUX
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sorry you miss out on so many post to the group!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 9/28/2018 2:43 AM, Eugen Ozon [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If you read posts in web page (browser) your yahoo session
>>>>>>> expire after a time.
>>>>>>> You have to login again (sent user and password) otherwise your
>>>>>>> content will apear blank.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 09/28/2018 01:18 AM, [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Norman,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> About one in ten of your posts are just blank for me... and I
>>>>>>>> am running Linux mint.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ron
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -- 
>>>>>>> Eugen Ozon
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Plan your work work your Plan
>>>>>>>  ...Where there is a Will there is a Way...
>>>>>>> The More you Know the more you Know you don't Know
>>>>>>> Good, Better, Best, Never let it rest,  until the Good is the better,
>>>>>>> and the Better is the Best, 
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
>

George,

Depends on what computer/phone one is using operating system etc.  I can
sniff attempts at opening ports that will not open and it is fun to
frustrate them.  The main two phones are Apple with IOS and Android,
these both listen as you say when they are "off"

With my Linux phone I see all sorts of attempts that will not execute
both from the phone company proper, SMS commands, and Google
instantiating over IP.  Many phone calls now from weird numbers that
just ring and hang up trying to put the phone in back in listen mode. 
Part of the trick is to pull a sim card out of the phone it came with
and use in another brand and model without disclosing the phone.  If
it's not Andorid or IOS it really causes frustrations to the listeners.

Don't get me wrong, the best place for any cell phone is in a sealed
metal grounded trashcan, but aside from that total solution there are
some good halfway solutions.  I no longer receive ads for places I drive
to or shop at right during/after doing so as it always did with the
droid phone.

I am not of the opinion there is nothing we can do so just roll over and
take it because they will win anyways.  Short of going to burner phones
this is kind of rewarding for the time being.


On 9/28/2018 7:19 PM, george gray [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>  
> Mick,
>
> They are listening to what you say even if your phone is turned off. 
> Some friends went out into a paddock and talked about stuff and when
> they came back their phones had ads for those particular things that
> they talked about.  They tried this many time and each time the same
> result with different products etc.
>
> The new appliances like TVs etc, can also listen to what you are
> saying in your house and with the 5G network and smart meters they may
> even know what you are thinking about LOL.
>
> George
>
>
>
> On Saturday, 29 September 2018, 1:29:51 am AEST, Mick
> [email protected] [EVGRAY] <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>  
>
> Norm,
>
> Weird story, never heard that one.  Lately I am very unhappy with the
> lack of concern for privacy.  Most everyone carries a phone around
> that spies on them for corporations.  Google, Apple, Facebook and
> Twitter have become the defacto spy networks.  They all can connect to
> ones phone and use it's location, mic or camera at their discretion,
> they even tout these facts in their latest user agreements.  Even if
> one has the ability or smarts to lock this off the constitutional
> protections we are supposed to have from government are no longer in
> place for data networks.
>
> I think it is despicable what these companies do. specially Apple who
> has turned against musicians and uses Chinese slave labor at it's
> subsidiary companies like Foxconn building phones.  They force
> schoolkids to build phones for free.  After school the Chinese slaves
> must go work for Apple vampires or not graduate.
>
> Perhaps Ron has a good point in that he is exchanging the hassle and
> shortcomings of a non commercial OS in order to be secure.  I have
> switched to Ubuntu touch for my phone and can say many things dont
> work properly like bluetooth but I gladly forfeit these apps knowing I
> am not carrying a Trojan horse around.   Google android is like having
> the NSA in ones back pocket and Apple IOS is like having the Chinese
> MSS in ones pocket.  I am sure the two countries have intelligence
> sharing treaties as the fact China are commie murderers doesn't seem
> to phase anyone anymore.  The powers that be just want a world war
> with Russia a mostly free society while bending over for Chinese scum,
> I guess the pay is better.
>
>
>
> On 9/28/2018 7:18 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected]
> <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>  
>>
>> Another note that Doug (Kone Head) will well remember goes back
>> several years when we had a real trouble maker on this site. It got
>> so bad that Kone had to break his saber and throw it out the gate
>> along with him. He was a real computer savy guy and right after his
>> being thrown out all of our YAHOO problems began!   DUH!
>>
>>
>> On 9/28/2018 9:08 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected]
>> <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>  
>>>
>>> Another note about YAHOO, it is so FUCKED UP that Although I can
>>> post and receive messages within the group, I cannot access the
>>> files etc. cause YAHOO says I am not a member. When I try to
>>> register as a member it says CANNOT DO cause you are already a
>>> member.  Talked about a FUCKED UP System, you are looking at one!
>>>
>>> My TWO CENTS!  Norm
>>>
>>>
>>> On 9/28/2018 8:49 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected]
>>> <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>  
>>>>
>>>> BTW!  Back in the days when Microsoft was trying to get an OS to
>>>> mimic MAC, I installed your LINUX OS and it took me back to the old
>>>> days  of running MS DOS.   Not  operator friendly at all!   Good
>>>> for NERDS!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 9/28/2018 8:44 AM, Norman Wootan wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I have been running FireFox & Thuunderbird (Mozzila) for last 30
>>>>> years! I guess there is an incompatibility with LINUX
>>>>>
>>>>> Sorry you miss out on so many post to the group!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 9/28/2018 2:43 AM, Eugen Ozon [email protected]
>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>>>  
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If you read posts in web page (browser) your yahoo session expire
>>>>>> after a time.
>>>>>> You have to login again (sent user and password) otherwise your
>>>>>> content will apear blank.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 09/28/2018 01:18 AM, [email protected]
>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Norman,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> About one in ten of your posts are just blank for me... and I am
>>>>>>> running Linux mint.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ron
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -- 
>>>>>> Eugen Ozon
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Plan your work work your Plan
>>>>>>  ...Where there is a Will there is a Way...
>>>>>> The More you Know the more you Know you don't Know
>>>>>> Good, Better, Best, Never let it rest,  until the Good is the better,
>>>>>> and the Better is the Best, 
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
>

Mick,
They are listening to what you say even if your phone is turned off.  Some friends went out into a paddock and talked about stuff and when they came back their phones had ads for those particular things that they talked about.  They tried this many time and each time the same result with different products etc.
The new appliances like TVs etc, can also listen to what you are saying in your house and with the 5G network and smart meters they may even know what you are thinking about LOL.
George



    On Saturday, 29 September 2018, 1:29:51 am AEST, Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY] <[email protected]> wrote:  
 
     
 

Norm,
 
Weird story, never heard that one.  Lately I am very unhappy with the lack of concern for privacy.  Most everyone carries a phone around that spies on them for corporations.  Google, Apple, Facebook and Twitter have become the defacto spy networks.  They all can connect to ones phone and use it's location, mic or camera at their discretion, they even tout these facts in their latest user agreements.  Even if one has the ability or smarts to lock this off the constitutional protections we are supposed to have from government are no longer in place for data networks.
 
I think it is despicable what these companies do. specially Apple who has turned against musicians and uses Chinese slave labor at it's subsidiary companies like Foxconn building phones.  They force schoolkids to build phones for free.  After school the Chinese slaves must go work for Apple vampires or not graduate.
 
 
Perhaps Ron has a good point in that he is exchanging the hassle and shortcomings of a non commercial OS in order to be secure.  I have switched to Ubuntu touch for my phone and can say many things dont work properly like bluetooth but I gladly forfeit these apps knowing I am not carrying a Trojan horse around.   Google android is like having the NSA in ones back pocket and Apple IOS is like having the Chinese MSS in ones pocket.  I am sure the two countries have intelligence sharing treaties as the fact China are commie murderers doesn't seem to phase anyone anymore.  The powers that be just want a world war with Russia a mostly free society while bending over for Chinese scum, I guess the pay is better.
 

 
 
 On 9/28/2018 7:18 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
  
    
 
 
Another note that Doug (Kone Head) will well remember goes back several years when we had a real trouble maker on this site. It got so bad that Kone had to break his saber and throw it out the gate along with him. He was a real computer savy guy and right after his being thrown out all of our YAHOO problems began!   DUH!
 
 
 On 9/28/2018 9:08 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
  
    
 
 
Another note about YAHOO, it is so FUCKED UP that Although I can post and receive messages within the group, I cannot access the files etc. cause YAHOO says I am not a member. When I try to register as a member it says CANNOT DO cause you are already a member.  Talked about a FUCKED UP System, you are looking at one!
 
My TWO CENTS!  Norm
 
 
 On 9/28/2018 8:49 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
  
    
 
 
BTW!  Back in the days when Microsoft was trying to get an OS to mimic MAC, I installed your LINUX OS and it took me back to the old days  of running MS DOS.   Not  operator friendly at all!   Good for NERDS!
 
 
 On 9/28/2018 8:44 AM, Norman Wootan wrote:
  
 
I have been running FireFox & Thuunderbird (Mozzila) for last 30 years! I guess there is an incompatibility with LINUX
 
Sorry you miss out on so many post to the group!
 
 
 On 9/28/2018 2:43 AM, Eugen Ozon [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
  
    
 
 If you read posts in web page (browser) your yahoo session expire after a time. 
 You have to login again (sent user and password) otherwise your content will apear blank.
 
 
 
 On 09/28/2018 01:18 AM, [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
  
    

 
 Norman, 
  About one in ten of your posts are just blank for me... and I am running Linux mint. 
  Ron  
 

 
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Eugen Ozon

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Mick! Apparently you did not read the article I sent to you!  I have 
analog to digital converters used to convert analog VHS tapes to digital 
files!

https://www.quora.com/Can-analog-signals-be-stored-in-a-memory-If-not-why 
Clearly states how the conversion works!


On 9/28/2018 5:02 PM, Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
> Analog is no saving grace as it is easily digitized.  Actually there 
> is a form of analog that can be stored as digital information and that 
> is direct stream digital.  It is similar to how a class D amp works 
> but instead of analog switching at each defined voltage level the 
> switching is digitally counted and memorized as a pulse stream.  I 
> call this digilog because audio recorded in this way can be played 
> back with a simple analog low pass filter.