AW: [EVGRAY] Quick sketch

Hello Warren, the sketch is artistically very beautiful but tells me the same thing as circuit Ole has posted. If you send Dc through a Fwbr dc comes out again. So you drive all engines with the first energy of the first engine. As I have drawn the 2 engine would be operated with the flybacks of the first and so on. I can not understand the meaning of Fwbr. Sorry greetings Sven


Von Samsung Mobile gesendet

-------- Ursprüngliche Nachricht --------
Von: "Warren Keillor [email protected] [EVGRAY]" <[email protected]> 
Datum:15.12.2017  14:39  (GMT+01:00) 
An: EVGRAY YahooGroups <[email protected]> 
Betreff: [EVGRAY] Quick sketch 



Sven
This is not a schematic
I borrowed a pen and paper to try to show how the components look and are hooked up.
12v battery, 120 volt 60hz inverter, 5 amp Variac, 120 volt AC in, set to 35 volts out, simply because some of the motors were marked 40 volts. With these DC motors, this means nothing except the rpm range that that motor runs at in the application it is being used for.
Using them as high torque servos running at slow speed, just use bigger motors at lower voltages. It seems, from my wing generator experience, that they just make general use motors, and you supply the voltage it needs to run for your application. Most of my motors came with optical readers on one end of the shaft, which I did not use, as normally I just needed stupid generators making DC amperage from the wind.
I hope my sketch is of some help.
Cheers Warren
,

Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android

SvenI too,  don't understand how it works.There is no doubt, however, that it worked for me.Lucky for us, I found most of the motor setup still intact, but it is enroute to my new home, and studio, in any of several hundred cardboard shipping boxes, contained in three big trucks.I am just cleaning up the debris here.The vacuum cleaner is gone.The old boom box radio is gone.I dropped one glove out of my pocket yesterday. It was packed before I could pick it up.In spite of my most vigilant efforts, there is no organization to any of the stuff.A whole big box of scrap metal and 
utter junk, was wrapped in brown paper, and packed too.The three guys lifted and pushed up a ramp to a truck, my Brown & Boggs half a ton sheet metal shear made of heavy cast iron. I couldn't do that, nor would I attempt it.They seemed to take enormous pride in their feats of strength, and vigor at working.Cheers Warren
Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
 
  On Fri, Dec 15, 2017 at 11:31 AM, 'S.friedrich' [email protected] [EVGRAY]<[email protected]> wrote:   Hello Warren, the sketch is artistically very beautiful but tells me the same thing as circuit Ole has posted. If you send Dc through a Fwbr dc comes out again. So you drive all engines with the first energy of the first engine. As I have drawn the 2 engine would be operated with the flybacks of the first and so on. I can not understand the meaning of Fwbr. Sorry greetings Sven

Von Samsung Mobile gesendet

-------- Ursprüngliche Nachricht --------
Von: "Warren Keillor [email protected] [EVGRAY]" 
Datum:15.12.2017 14:39 (GMT+01:00) 
An: EVGRAY YahooGroups 
Betreff: [EVGRAY] Quick sketch 

   



SvenThis is not a schematicI borrowed a pen and paper to try to show how the components look and are hooked up.12v battery, 120 volt 60hz inverter, 5 amp Variac, 120 volt AC in, set to 35 volts out, simply because some of the motors were marked 40 volts. With these DC motors, this means nothing except the rpm range that that motor runs at in the application it is being used for.Using them as high torque servos running at slow speed, just use bigger motors at lower voltages. It seems, from my wing generator experience, that they just make general use motors, and you supply the voltage it needs to run for your application. Most of my motors came with optical readers on one end of the shaft, which I did not use, as normally I just needed stupid generators making DC amperage from the wind.I hope my sketch is of some help.Cheers Warren,

Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android

Warden don't stand still you might get boxed !.I was wondering what the
out put of your cascading DC motors would be if you put pulley's on them
and connected to a small Muller generator ? Or a no Liz gen if one could be
found ?

On Dec 15, 2017 13:29, "Warren Keillor [email protected]
[EVGRAY]" <[email protected]> wrote:

>
>
> Sven
> I too,  don't understand how it works.
> There is no doubt, however, that it worked for me.
> Lucky for us, I found most of the motor setup still intact, but it is
> enroute to my new home, and studio, in any of several hundred cardboard
> shipping boxes, contained in three big trucks.
> I am just cleaning up the debris here.
> The vacuum cleaner is gone.
> The old boom box radio is gone.
> I dropped one glove out of my pocket yesterday. It was packed before I
> could pick it up.
> In spite of my most vigilant efforts, there is no organization to any of
> the stuff.
> A whole big box of scrap metal and
> utter junk, was wrapped in brown paper, and packed too.
> The three guys lifted and pushed up a ramp to a truck, my Brown & Boggs
> half a ton sheet metal shear made of heavy cast iron. I couldn't do that,
> nor would I attempt it.
> They seemed to take enormous pride in their feats of strength, and vigor
> at working.
> Cheers Warren
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
> <https://overview.mail.yahoo.com/mobile/?.src=Android>
>
> On Fri, Dec 15, 2017 at 11:31 AM, 'S.friedrich' [email protected]
> [EVGRAY]
> <[email protected]> wrote:
> Hello Warren, the sketch is artistically very beautiful but tells me the
> same thing as circuit Ole has posted. If you send Dc through a Fwbr dc
> comes out again. So you drive all engines with the first energy of the
> first engine. As I have drawn the 2 engine would be operated with the
> flybacks of the first and so on. I can not understand the meaning of Fwbr.
> Sorry greetings Sven
>
>
> Von Samsung Mobile gesendet
>
>
> -------- Ursprüngliche Nachricht --------
> Von: "Warren Keillor [email protected] [EVGRAY]"
> Datum:15.12.2017 14:39 (GMT+01:00)
> An: EVGRAY YahooGroups
> Betreff: [EVGRAY] Quick sketch
>
>
>
>
>
> Sven
> This is not a schematic
> I borrowed a pen and paper to try to show how the components look and are
> hooked up.
> 12v battery, 120 volt 60hz inverter, 5 amp Variac, 120 volt AC in, set to
> 35 volts out, simply because some of the motors were marked 40 volts. With
> these DC motors, this means nothing except the rpm range that that motor
> runs at in the application it is being used for.
> Using them as high torque servos running at slow speed, just use bigger
> motors at lower voltages. It seems, from my wing generator experience, that
> they just make general use motors, and you supply the voltage it needs to
> run for your application. Most of my motors came with optical readers on
> one end of the shaft, which I did not use, as normally I just needed stupid
> generators making DC amperage from the wind.
> I hope my sketch is of some help.
> Cheers Warren
> ,
>
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
> <https://overview.mail.yahoo.com/mobile/?.src=Android>
>
> 
>

JamesI did belt a motor as a load to one of the daisy chain motors.It made no observable difference to anything except I was able to get 7.5 amps from that motor, as generator, trying to short it out.It would have been fun to try another chain of motors off from that generator test. There seems to be a lot more possible in the way of experiments that we can do together.I have both a big Muller, and a very big Kromery, but I really see nothing wrong with these same motors as generators.They work great, as is, with the use of vee belts, and pulleys 1:1Cheers Warren

Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
 
  On Fri, Dec 15, 2017 at 2:59 PM, James Glinski [email protected] [EVGRAY]<[email protected]> wrote:       

 Warden don't stand still you might get boxed !.I was wondering what the out put of your cascading DC motors would be if you put pulley's on them and connected to a small Muller generator ? Or a no Liz gen if one could be found ?
On Dec 15, 2017 13:29, "Warren Keillor [email protected] [EVGRAY]" <[email protected]> wrote:

     
Sven
I too,  don't understand how it works.There is no doubt, however, that it worked for me.Lucky for us, I found most of the motor setup still intact, but it is enroute to my new home, and studio, in any of several hundred cardboard shipping boxes, contained in three big trucks.I am just cleaning up the debris here.The vacuum cleaner is gone.The old boom box radio is gone.I dropped one glove out of my pocket yesterday. It was packed before I could pick it up.In spite of my most vigilant efforts, there is no organization to any of the stuff.A whole big box of scrap metal and 
utter junk, was wrapped in brown paper, and packed too.The three guys lifted and pushed up a ramp to a truck, my Brown & Boggs half a ton sheet metal shear made of heavy cast iron. I couldn't do that, nor would I attempt it.They seemed to take enormous pride in their feats of strength, and vigor at working..Cheers Warren
Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
 
  On Fri, Dec 15, 2017 at 11:31 AM, 'S.friedrich' [email protected] [EVGRAY]<[email protected]> wrote:   Hello Warren, the sketch is artistically very beautiful but tells me the same thing as circuit Ole has posted. If you send Dc through a Fwbr dc comes out again. So you drive all engines with the first energy of the first engine. As I have drawn the 2 engine would be operated with the flybacks of the first and so on.. I can not understand the meaning of Fwbr. Sorry greetings Sven

Von Samsung Mobile gesendet

-------- Ursprüngliche Nachricht --------
Von: "Warren Keillor [email protected] [EVGRAY]" 
Datum:15.12.2017 14:39 (GMT+01:00) 
An: EVGRAY YahooGroups 
Betreff: [EVGRAY] Quick sketch 

   



SvenThis is not a schematicI borrowed a pen and paper to try to show how the components look and are hooked up.12v battery, 120 volt 60hz inverter, 5 amp Variac, 120 volt AC in, set to 35 volts out, simply because some of the motors were marked 40 volts. With these DC motors, this means nothing except the rpm range that that motor runs at in the application it is being used for.Using them as high torque servos running at slow speed, just use bigger motors at lower voltages. It seems, from my wing generator experience, that they just make general use motors, and you supply the voltage it needs to run for your application. Most of my motors came with optical readers on one end of the shaft, which I did not use, as normally I just needed stupid generators making DC amperage from the wind.I hope my sketch is of some help.Cheers Warren,

Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android

    
   
  #yiv7734174620 -- #yiv7734174620ygrp-mkp {border:1px solid #d8d8d8;font-family:Arial;margin:10px 0;padding:0 10px;}#yiv7734174620 #yiv7734174620ygrp-mkp hr {border:1px solid #d8d8d8;}#yiv7734174620 #yiv7734174620ygrp-mkp #yiv7734174620hd {color:#628c2a;font-size:85%;font-weight:700;line-height:122%;margin:10px 0;}#yiv7734174620 #yiv7734174620ygrp-mkp #yiv7734174620ads {margin-bottom:10px;}#yiv7734174620 #yiv7734174620ygrp-mkp .yiv7734174620ad {padding:0 0;}#yiv7734174620 #yiv7734174620ygrp-mkp .yiv7734174620ad p {margin:0;}#yiv7734174620 #yiv7734174620ygrp-mkp .yiv7734174620ad a {color:#0000ff;text-decoration:none;}#yiv7734174620 #yiv7734174620ygrp-sponsor #yiv7734174620ygrp-lc {font-family:Arial;}#yiv7734174620 #yiv7734174620ygrp-sponsor #yiv7734174620ygrp-lc #yiv7734174620hd {margin:10px 0px;font-weight:700;font-size:78%;line-height:122%;}#yiv7734174620 #yiv7734174620ygrp-sponsor #yiv7734174620ygrp-lc .yiv7734174620ad {margin-bottom:10px;padding:0 0;}#yiv7734174620 #yiv7734174620actions {font-family:Verdana;font-size:11px;padding:10px 0;}#yiv7734174620 #yiv7734174620activity {background-color:#e0ecee;float:left;font-family:Verdana;font-size:10px;padding:10px;}#yiv7734174620 #yiv7734174620activity span {font-weight:700;}#yiv7734174620 #yiv7734174620activity span:first-child {text-transform:uppercase;}#yiv7734174620 #yiv7734174620activity span a {color:#5085b6;text-decoration:none;}#yiv7734174620 #yiv7734174620activity span span {color:#ff7900;}#yiv7734174620 #yiv7734174620activity span .yiv7734174620underline {text-decoration:underline;}#yiv7734174620 .yiv7734174620attach {clear:both;display:table;font-family:Arial;font-size:12px;padding:10px 0;width:400px;}#yiv7734174620 .yiv7734174620attach div a {text-decoration:none;}#yiv7734174620 .yiv7734174620attach img {border:none;padding-right:5px;}#yiv7734174620 .yiv7734174620attach label {display:block;margin-bottom:5px;}#yiv7734174620 .yiv7734174620attach label a {text-decoration:none;}#yiv7734174620 blockquote {margin:0 0 0 4px;}#yiv7734174620 .yiv7734174620bold {font-family:Arial;font-size:13px;font-weight:700;}#yiv7734174620 .yiv7734174620bold a {text-decoration:none;}#yiv7734174620 dd.yiv7734174620last p a {font-family:Verdana;font-weight:700;}#yiv7734174620 dd.yiv7734174620last p span {margin-right:10px;font-family:Verdana;font-weight:700;}#yiv7734174620 dd.yiv7734174620last p span.yiv7734174620yshortcuts {margin-right:0;}#yiv7734174620 div.yiv7734174620attach-table div div a {text-decoration:none;}#yiv7734174620 div.yiv7734174620attach-table {width:400px;}#yiv7734174620 div.yiv7734174620file-title a, #yiv7734174620 div.yiv7734174620file-title a:active, #yiv7734174620 div.yiv7734174620file-title a:hover, #yiv7734174620 div.yiv7734174620file-title a:visited {text-decoration:none;}#yiv7734174620 div.yiv7734174620photo-title a, #yiv7734174620 div.yiv7734174620photo-title a:active, #yiv7734174620 div.yiv7734174620photo-title a:hover, #yiv7734174620 div.yiv7734174620photo-title a:visited {text-decoration:none;}#yiv7734174620 div#yiv7734174620ygrp-mlmsg #yiv7734174620ygrp-msg p a span.yiv7734174620yshortcuts {font-family:Verdana;font-size:10px;font-weight:normal;}#yiv7734174620 .yiv7734174620green {color:#628c2a;}#yiv7734174620 .yiv7734174620MsoNormal {margin:0 0 0 0;}#yiv7734174620 o {font-size:0;}#yiv7734174620 #yiv7734174620photos div {float:left;width:72px;}#yiv7734174620 #yiv7734174620photos div div {border:1px solid #666666;min-height:62px;overflow:hidden;width:62px;}#yiv7734174620 #yiv7734174620photos div label {color:#666666;font-size:10px;overflow:hidden;text-align:center;white-space:nowrap;width:64px;}#yiv7734174620 #yiv7734174620reco-category {font-size:77%;}#yiv7734174620 #yiv7734174620reco-desc {font-size:77%;}#yiv7734174620 .yiv7734174620replbq {margin:4px;}#yiv7734174620 #yiv7734174620ygrp-actbar div a:first-child {margin-right:2px;padding-right:5px;}#yiv7734174620 #yiv7734174620ygrp-mlmsg {font-size:13px;font-family:Arial, helvetica, clean, sans-serif;}#yiv7734174620 #yiv7734174620ygrp-mlmsg table {font-size:inherit;font:100%;}#yiv7734174620 #yiv7734174620ygrp-mlmsg select, #yiv7734174620 input, #yiv7734174620 textarea {font:99% Arial, Helvetica, clean, sans-serif;}#yiv7734174620 #yiv7734174620ygrp-mlmsg pre, #yiv7734174620 code {font:115% monospace;}#yiv7734174620 #yiv7734174620ygrp-mlmsg * {line-height:1.22em;}#yiv7734174620 #yiv7734174620ygrp-mlmsg #yiv7734174620logo {padding-bottom:10px;}#yiv7734174620 #yiv7734174620ygrp-msg p a {font-family:Verdana;}#yiv7734174620 #yiv7734174620ygrp-msg p#yiv7734174620attach-count span {color:#1E66AE;font-weight:700;}#yiv7734174620 #yiv7734174620ygrp-reco #yiv7734174620reco-head {color:#ff7900;font-weight:700;}#yiv7734174620 #yiv7734174620ygrp-reco {margin-bottom:20px;padding:0px;}#yiv7734174620 #yiv7734174620ygrp-sponsor #yiv7734174620ov li a {font-size:130%;text-decoration:none;}#yiv7734174620 #yiv7734174620ygrp-sponsor #yiv7734174620ov li {font-size:77%;list-style-type:square;padding:6px 0;}#yiv7734174620 #yiv7734174620ygrp-sponsor #yiv7734174620ov ul {margin:0;padding:0 0 0 8px;}#yiv7734174620 #yiv7734174620ygrp-text {font-family:Georgia;}#yiv7734174620 #yiv7734174620ygrp-text p {margin:0 0 1em 0;}#yiv7734174620 #yiv7734174620ygrp-text tt {font-size:120%;}#yiv7734174620 #yiv7734174620ygrp-vital ul li:last-child {border-right:none !important;}#yiv7734174620

Did you check in to out energy?

On Friday, December 15, 2017, Warren Keillor [email protected]
[EVGRAY] <[email protected]> wrote:

>
>
> James
> I did belt a motor as a load to one of the daisy chain motors.
> It made no observable difference to anything except I was able to get 7.5
> amps from that motor, as generator, trying to short it out.
> It would have been fun to try another chain of motors off from that
> generator test. There seems to be a lot more possible in the way of
> experiments that we can do together.
> I have both a big Muller, and a very big Kromery, but I really see nothing
> wrong with these same motors as generators.
> They work great, as is, with the use of vee belts, and pulleys 1:1
> Cheers Warren
>
>
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
> <https://overview.mail.yahoo.com/mobile/?.src=Android>
>
> On Fri, Dec 15, 2017 at 2:59 PM, James Glinski [email protected]
> [EVGRAY]
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>  Warden don't stand still you might get boxed !.I was wondering what the
> out put of your cascading DC motors would be if you put pulley's on them
> and connected to a small Muller generator ? Or a no Liz gen if one could be
> found ?
>
> On Dec 15, 2017 13:29, "Warren Keillor [email protected]
> [EVGRAY]" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
> Sven
> I too,  don't understand how it works.
> There is no doubt, however, that it worked for me.
> Lucky for us, I found most of the motor setup still intact, but it is
> enroute to my new home, and studio, in any of several hundred cardboard
> shipping boxes, contained in three big trucks.
> I am just cleaning up the debris here.
> The vacuum cleaner is gone.
> The old boom box radio is gone.
> I dropped one glove out of my pocket yesterday. It was packed before I
> could pick it up.
> In spite of my most vigilant efforts, there is no organization to any of
> the stuff.
> A whole big box of scrap metal and
> utter junk, was wrapped in brown paper, and packed too.
> The three guys lifted and pushed up a ramp to a truck, my Brown & Boggs
> half a ton sheet metal shear made of heavy cast iron. I couldn't do that,
> nor would I attempt it.
> They seemed to take enormous pride in their feats of strength, and vigor
> at working..
> Cheers Warren
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
> <https://overview.mail.yahoo.com/mobile/?.src=Android>
>
> On Fri, Dec 15, 2017 at 11:31 AM, 'S.friedrich' [email protected]
> [EVGRAY]
> <[email protected]> wrote:
> Hello Warren, the sketch is artistically very beautiful but tells me the
> same thing as circuit Ole has posted. If you send Dc through a Fwbr dc
> comes out again. So you drive all engines with the first energy of the
> first engine. As I have drawn the 2 engine would be operated with the
> flybacks of the first and so on.. I can not understand the meaning of Fwbr.
> Sorry greetings Sven
>
>
> Von Samsung Mobile gesendet
>
>
> -------- Ursprüngliche Nachricht --------
> Von: "Warren Keillor [email protected] [EVGRAY]"
> Datum:15.12.2017 14:39 (GMT+01:00)
> An: EVGRAY YahooGroups
> Betreff: [EVGRAY] Quick sketch
>
>
>
>
>
> Sven
> This is not a schematic
> I borrowed a pen and paper to try to show how the components look and are
> hooked up.
> 12v battery, 120 volt 60hz inverter, 5 amp Variac, 120 volt AC in, set to
> 35 volts out, simply because some of the motors were marked 40 volts. With
> these DC motors, this means nothing except the rpm range that that motor
> runs at in the application it is being used for.
> Using them as high torque servos running at slow speed, just use bigger
> motors at lower voltages. It seems, from my wing generator experience, that
> they just make general use motors, and you supply the voltage it needs to
> run for your application. Most of my motors came with optical readers on
> one end of the shaft, which I did not use, as normally I just needed stupid
> generators making DC amperage from the wind.
> I hope my sketch is of some help.
> Cheers Warren
> ,
>
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
> <https://overview.mail.yahoo.com/mobile/?.src=Android>
>
> 
>

Hector you said don't send ups .well they will not deliver to a pob .they
probably sent the stuff back . check and see if the building is still there
and if people are working .they will hold for five days here seecif they
will there . two different Union at war and dam the customers.

On Friday, December 15, 2017, James Glinski <[email protected]> wrote:

> Did you check in to out energy?
>
> On Friday, December 15, 2017, Warren Keillor [email protected]
> [EVGRAY] <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> James
>> I did belt a motor as a load to one of the daisy chain motors.
>> It made no observable difference to anything except I was able to get 7.5
>> amps from that motor, as generator, trying to short it out.
>> It would have been fun to try another chain of motors off from that
>> generator test. There seems to be a lot more possible in the way of
>> experiments that we can do together.
>> I have both a big Muller, and a very big Kromery, but I really see
>> nothing wrong with these same motors as generators.
>> They work great, as is, with the use of vee belts, and pulleys 1:1
>> Cheers Warren
>>
>>
>> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
>> <https://overview.mail.yahoo.com/mobile/?.src=Android>
>>
>> On Fri, Dec 15, 2017 at 2:59 PM, James Glinski [email protected]
>> [EVGRAY]
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>
>>  Warden don't stand still you might get boxed !.I was wondering what the
>> out put of your cascading DC motors would be if you put pulley's on them
>> and connected to a small Muller generator ? Or a no Liz gen if one could be
>> found ?
>>
>> On Dec 15, 2017 13:29, "Warren Keillor [email protected]
>> [EVGRAY]" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> Sven
>> I too,  don't understand how it works.
>> There is no doubt, however, that it worked for me.
>> Lucky for us, I found most of the motor setup still intact, but it is
>> enroute to my new home, and studio, in any of several hundred cardboard
>> shipping boxes, contained in three big trucks.
>> I am just cleaning up the debris here.
>> The vacuum cleaner is gone.
>> The old boom box radio is gone.
>> I dropped one glove out of my pocket yesterday. It was packed before I
>> could pick it up.
>> In spite of my most vigilant efforts, there is no organization to any of
>> the stuff.
>> A whole big box of scrap metal and
>> utter junk, was wrapped in brown paper, and packed too.
>> The three guys lifted and pushed up a ramp to a truck, my Brown & Boggs
>> half a ton sheet metal shear made of heavy cast iron. I couldn't do that,
>> nor would I attempt it.
>> They seemed to take enormous pride in their feats of strength, and vigor
>> at working..
>> Cheers Warren
>> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
>> <https://overview.mail.yahoo.com/mobile/?.src=Android>
>>
>> On Fri, Dec 15, 2017 at 11:31 AM, 'S.friedrich' [email protected]
>> [EVGRAY]
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Hello Warren, the sketch is artistically very beautiful but tells me the
>> same thing as circuit Ole has posted. If you send Dc through a Fwbr dc
>> comes out again. So you drive all engines with the first energy of the
>> first engine. As I have drawn the 2 engine would be operated with the
>> flybacks of the first and so on.. I can not understand the meaning of Fwbr.
>> Sorry greetings Sven
>>
>>
>> Von Samsung Mobile gesendet
>>
>>
>> -------- Ursprüngliche Nachricht --------
>> Von: "Warren Keillor [email protected] [EVGRAY]"
>> Datum:15.12.2017 14:39 (GMT+01:00)
>> An: EVGRAY YahooGroups
>> Betreff: [EVGRAY] Quick sketch
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Sven
>> This is not a schematic
>> I borrowed a pen and paper to try to show how the components look and are
>> hooked up.
>> 12v battery, 120 volt 60hz inverter, 5 amp Variac, 120 volt AC in, set to
>> 35 volts out, simply because some of the motors were marked 40 volts. With
>> these DC motors, this means nothing except the rpm range that that motor
>> runs at in the application it is being used for.
>> Using them as high torque servos running at slow speed, just use bigger
>> motors at lower voltages. It seems, from my wing generator experience, that
>> they just make general use motors, and you supply the voltage it needs to
>> run for your application. Most of my motors came with optical readers on
>> one end of the shaft, which I did not use, as normally I just needed stupid
>> generators making DC amperage from the wind.
>> I hope my sketch is of some help.
>> Cheers Warren
>> ,
>>
>> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
>> <https://overview.mail.yahoo.com/mobile/?.src=Android>
>>
>> 
>>
>

USPS is more secure ... UPS is quite problematic ////


anyone sent UPS ? 

they don't even answer phones .....

More like pain in the ass..no they don't answer the phones..unless you use
there online phoned number and can get past the robo bs and get a human
.you have to call them in advance and ask them to hold your stuff there at
the terminal. I messed up an for got and the driver left my stuff at
someone's else's home . I mean really come on . just gave it away ?? Well I
got it finely. You really have to watch them . I just thought because you
gave your pob you might of had trouble .
On Dec 16, 2017 6:28 AM, "[email protected] [EVGRAY]" <
[email protected]> wrote:

>
>
> USPS is more secure ... UPS is quite problematic ////
>
>
> anyone sent UPS ?
>
> they don't even answer phones .....
> 
>

I can give you my physical address but the problem is they had stolen the shipments at UPS   FEMA is confiscating the stuff along with the ports authority mafia ... to resell it elsewhere ... 

all happening here is intentional and USA government is 100% behind it they want to destroy Puerto Rico and are using our own shitheaded politicians to do the job .

(H) 


 

---In [email protected], <jglinski01@...> wrote :

 Hector you said don't send ups .well they will not deliver to a pob .they probably sent the stuff back . check and see if the building is still there and if people are working .they will hold for five days here seecif they will there . two different Union at war and dam the customers.

 On Friday, December 15, 2017, James Glinski <jglinski01@... mailto:jglinski01@...> wrote:
 Did you check in to out energy?

On Friday, December 15, 2017, Warren Keillor schoonersolsticemoon@... mailto:schoonersolsticemoon@... [EVGRAY] <[email protected] mailto:[email protected]> wrote:
   
 James
 I did belt a motor as a load to one of the daisy chain motors.
 It made no observable difference to anything except I was able to get 7.5 amps from that motor, as generator, trying to short it out.
 It would have been fun to try another chain of motors off from that generator test. There seems to be a lot more possible in the way of experiments that we can do together.
 I have both a big Muller, and a very big Kromery, but I really see nothing wrong with these same motors as generators.
 They work great, as is, with the use of vee belts, and pulleys 1:1
 Cheers Warren
 

 Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android https://overview.mail.yahoo.com/mobile/?.src=Android
 
 On Fri, Dec 15, 2017 at 2:59 PM, James Glinski jglinski01@... mailto:jglinski01@... [EVGRAY]
 <[email protected] mailto:[email protected]> wrote:

   
  Warden don't stand still you might get boxed !.I was wondering what the out put of your cascading DC motors would be if you put pulley's on them and connected to a small Muller generator ? Or a no Liz gen if one could be found ?
 
 On Dec 15, 2017 13:29, "Warren Keillor schoonersolsticemoon@... mailto:schoonersolsticemoon@... [EVGRAY]" <[email protected] mailto:[email protected]> wrote:
   Sven
 I too,  don't understand how it works.
 There is no doubt, however, that it worked for me.
 Lucky for us, I found most of the motor setup still intact, but it is enroute to my new home, and studio, in any of several hundred cardboard shipping boxes, contained in three big trucks.
 I am just cleaning up the debris here.
 The vacuum cleaner is gone.
 The old boom box radio is gone.
 I dropped one glove out of my pocket yesterday. It was packed before I could pick it up.
 In spite of my most vigilant efforts, there is no organization to any of the stuff.
 A whole big box of scrap metal and 
utter junk, was wrapped in brown paper, and packed too.
 The three guys lifted and pushed up a ramp to a truck, my Brown & Boggs half a ton sheet metal shear made of heavy cast iron. I couldn't do that, nor would I attempt it.
 They seemed to take enormous pride in their feats of strength, and vigor at working..
 Cheers Warren
 Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android https://overview.mail.yahoo.com/mobile/?.src=Android
 
 On Fri, Dec 15, 2017 at 11:31 AM, 'S.friedrich' s.friedrich@... mailto:s.friedrich@... [EVGRAY]
 <[email protected] mailto:[email protected]> wrote:

 Hello Warren, the sketch is artistically very beautiful but tells me the same thing as circuit Ole has posted. If you send Dc through a Fwbr dc comes out again. So you drive all engines with the first energy of the first engine. As I have drawn the 2 engine would be operated with the flybacks of the first and so on.. I can not understand the meaning of Fwbr. Sorry greetings Sven
 

 

 Von Samsung Mobile gesendet



-------- Ursprüngliche Nachricht --------
Von: "Warren Keillor schoonersolsticemoon@... mailto:schoonersolsticemoon@... [EVGRAY]" 
Datum:15.12.2017 14:39 (GMT+01:00) 
An: EVGRAY YahooGroups 
Betreff: [EVGRAY] Quick sketch 

   
 


Sven This is not a schematic
 I borrowed a pen and paper to try to show how the components look and are hooked up.
 12v battery, 120 volt 60hz inverter, 5 amp Variac, 120 volt AC in, set to 35 volts out, simply because some of the motors were marked 40 volts. With these DC motors, this means nothing except the rpm range that that motor runs at in the application it is being used for.
 Using them as high torque servos running at slow speed, just use bigger motors at lower voltages. It seems, from my wing generator experience, that they just make general use motors, and you supply the voltage it needs to run for your application. Most of my motors came with optical readers on one end of the shaft, which I did not use, as normally I just needed stupid generators making DC amperage from the wind.
 I hope my sketch is of some help.
 Cheers Warren
 ,

 Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android https://overview.mail.yahoo.com/mobile/?.src=Android

No don't worry .its just I've had trouble with sellers they don't tell you
in advance what shipper there going to use .not all but some.. then your
screwed .I'm wording about something I can do little about . chill .time
will flush it out .

On Dec 17, 2017 14:30, "[email protected] [EVGRAY]" <
[email protected]> wrote:

>
>
> I can give you my physical address but the problem is they had stolen the
> shipments at UPS   FEMA is confiscating the stuff along with the ports
> authority mafia ... to resell it elsewhere ...
>
> all happening here is intentional and USA government is 100% behind it
> they want to destroy Puerto Rico and are using our own shitheaded
> politicians to do the job .
>
> (H)
>
>
>
>
> ---In [email protected], <jglinski01@...> wrote :
>
> Hector you said don't send ups .well they will not deliver to a pob .they
> probably sent the stuff back . check and see if the building is still there
> and if people are working .they will hold for five days here seecif they
> will there . two different Union at war and dam the customers.
>
> On Friday, December 15, 2017, James Glinski <jglinski01@...> wrote:
>
> Did you check in to out energy?
>
> On Friday, December 15, 2017, Warren Keillor schoonersolsticemoon@...
> [EVGRAY] <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
> James
> I did belt a motor as a load to one of the daisy chain motors.
> It made no observable difference to anything except I was able to get 7.5
> amps from that motor, as generator, trying to short it out.
> It would have been fun to try another chain of motors off from that
> generator test. There seems to be a lot more possible in the way of
> experiments that we can do together.
> I have both a big Muller, and a very big Kromery, but I really see nothing
> wrong with these same motors as generators.
> They work great, as is, with the use of vee belts, and pulleys 1:1
> Cheers Warren
>
>
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
> <https://overview.mail.yahoo.com/mobile/?.src=Android>
>
> On Fri, Dec 15, 2017 at 2:59 PM, James Glinski jglinski01@... [EVGRAY]
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>  Warden don't stand still you might get boxed !.I was wondering what the
> out put of your cascading DC motors would be if you put pulley's on them
> and connected to a small Muller generator ? Or a no Liz gen if one could be
> found ?
>
> On Dec 15, 2017 13:29, "Warren Keillor schoonersolsticemoon@... [EVGRAY]"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
> Sven
> I too,  don't understand how it works.
> There is no doubt, however, that it worked for me.
> Lucky for us, I found most of the motor setup still intact, but it is
> enroute to my new home, and studio, in any of several hundred cardboard
> shipping boxes, contained in three big trucks.
> I am just cleaning up the debris here.
> The vacuum cleaner is gone.
> The old boom box radio is gone.
> I dropped one glove out of my pocket yesterday. It was packed before I
> could pick it up.
> In spite of my most vigilant efforts, there is no organization to any of
> the stuff.
> A whole big box of scrap metal and
> utter junk, was wrapped in brown paper, and packed too.
> The three guys lifted and pushed up a ramp to a truck, my Brown & Boggs
> half a ton sheet metal shear made of heavy cast iron. I couldn't do that,
> nor would I attempt it.
> They seemed to take enormous pride in their feats of strength, and vigor
> at working..
> Cheers Warren
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
> <https://overview.mail.yahoo.com/mobile/?.src=Android>
>
> On Fri, Dec 15, 2017 at 11:31 AM, 'S.friedrich' s.friedrich@... [EVGRAY]
> <[email protected]> wrote:
> Hello Warren, the sketch is artistically very beautiful but tells me the
> same thing as circuit Ole has posted. If you send Dc through a Fwbr dc
> comes out again. So you drive all engines with the first energy of the
> first engine. As I have drawn the 2 engine would be operated with the
> flybacks of the first and so on.. I can not understand the meaning of Fwbr.
> Sorry greetings Sven
>
>
> Von Samsung Mobile gesendet
>
>
> -------- Ursprüngliche Nachricht --------
> Von: "Warren Keillor schoonersolsticemoon@... [EVGRAY]"
> Datum:15.12.2017 14:39 (GMT+01:00)
> An: EVGRAY YahooGroups
> Betreff: [EVGRAY] Quick sketch
>
>
>
>
>
> Sven
> This is not a schematic
> I borrowed a pen and paper to try to show how the components look and are
> hooked up.
> 12v battery, 120 volt 60hz inverter, 5 amp Variac, 120 volt AC in, set to
> 35 volts out, simply because some of the motors were marked 40 volts. With
> these DC motors, this means nothing except the rpm range that that motor
> runs at in the application it is being used for.
> Using them as high torque servos running at slow speed, just use bigger
> motors at lower voltages. It seems, from my wing generator experience, that
> they just make general use motors, and you supply the voltage it needs to
> run for your application. Most of my motors came with optical readers on
> one end of the shaft, which I did not use, as normally I just needed stupid
> generators making DC amperage from the wind.
> I hope my sketch is of some help.
> Cheers Warren
> ,
>
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
> <https://overview.mail.yahoo.com/mobile/?.src=Android>
>
> 
>