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Subject: 	Re: Magnetoelectric vs Electromagnetic
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Thank you, I appreciate your explanation.

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Angel A.  Alvarez P. E.
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On Mar 12, 2019, at 10:42 AM, Norman Wootan <[email protected] 
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

> Angel and Bert, Very old Physics books depicted the magnetic flux 
> ropes between the earth and the other heavy planets and speculated 
> that this magnetic flux flow was the cause of core heating and 
> maintenance of the planets. Example, 
> https://www.universetoday.com/19234/core-of-uranus/ They re-discover 
> the obvious.  As Bert said, simple sun bathing the surface with 
> photons does not cut it.  Now, If you really want to see over-unity, 
> try to figure how much energy has to be expended to release the huge 
> quantity of PHOTON ENERGY from magnetic flux conversion methods. 
> Blowing up a Neo magnet with 1.5 Tesla field strength  yields X amount 
> of energy, that they have been able to capture vs the explosives 
> needed to yield an over pressure shock wave of 23GPa/ nano sec.  All I 
> would do is explore the 3rd variable which is heat.  Sounds like a 
> good job for some resonance hammering at super high heat.  Just a 
> thought.  Go back to some basic research that happened back a few 
> years ago on this subject. see attached
>
> https://www3.aps.anl.gov/~haskel/PS/PRL_HPLCMO.pdf
>
> Here is a three variable equation that I looked at and as you can see, 
> you have to consider all three variables in this situation.  Vola!~
>
> https://deepblue.lib.umich.edu/bitstream/handle/2027.42/23655/0000621.pdf?seq
>
> On 3/12/2019 7:59 AM, Angel Alvarez wrote:
>> Thank you Bert, your explanation is awesome, great resources!
>>
>> Sent from my mobile phone
>> Angel A.  Alvarez P. E.
>> President and Manager of
>> Vortex Energi, LLC
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>> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
>>
>> On Mar 12, 2019, at 2:38 AM, Bert Pool <[email protected] 
>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>>
>>> OK, so just how many millions of terawatts of energy are we talking 
>>> about flowing directly from the sun to the earth in one of these 
>>> magnetic connections?  We always thought the earth was kept nicely 
>>> heated and comfy (and alive) from the photons falling on the surface 
>>> - but it seems to me that the energy delivered by random photons of 
>>> light would pale in comparison to the energy that is being piped 
>>> straight to the earth through a magnetic tunnel the diameter of the 
>>> earth!
>>>
>>> Bert
>>>
>>>
>>> I didn't see any estimations on just how much power this represents.
>>>
>>> On 3/10/2019 8:30 AM, Norman Wootan wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Bert, Bob and all,  remember back a few years when NASA was 
>>>> speculating over a possibly space craft that could travel of near 
>>>> LUMINAL velocity by navigating in these huge magnetic tubes of 
>>>> force.  Along for the ride so to speak.    Now we know for a fact 
>>>> that Science has the ability to convert magnetic flux into photon 
>>>> power which is what my whole research has been about..     This is 
>>>> the reason for the NASA flux tube mapping operation.
>>>>
>>>> https://images.search.yahoo.com/yhs/search;_ylt=AwrCwOJkD4VcixgA5y8PxQt.;_ylu=X3oDMTByMjB0aG5zBGNvbG8DYmYxBHBvcwMxBHZ0aWQDBHNlYwNzYw--?p=magnetic+flux+tube+mapping+by+NASA+satellite&fr=yhs-pty-pty_converter&hspart=pty&hsimp=yhs-pty_converter
>>>>
>>>> https://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2008/30oct_ftes/
>>>>
>>>> https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flux_tube
>>>>
>>>> https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flux_transfer_event
>>>>
>>>> The space craft extracts its needed power from the magnetic flux 
>>>> tubs of force.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 3/6/2019 4:26 PM, Norman Wootan wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes!  Bert, Thought you would find that particular article rather 
>>>>> interesting.  After I read it, I thought about going to the Mr. 
>>>>> Peabody Way Back Machine and pull up all the writings by the 
>>>>> Master back then. Gee Wiz.
>>>>>
>>>>> Wilhelm Röntgen 
>>>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilhelm_R%C3%B6ntgen> in 1888 
>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetoelectric_effect   I firmly 
>>>>> believe that after we run full circle, we will realize that the 
>>>>> secret for what we are looking for is in the DIELECTRIC. Hmmmmm.
>>>>>
>>>>> Norm
>>>>>
>>>>> On 3/6/2019 10:58 AM, Bert Pool wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Norm, all, that first article blew my mind! I was wondering why I 
>>>>>> wasn't taught about the magnetoelectric effect back in my 
>>>>>> electronic school days, and then I saw that the scientific 
>>>>>> research references on this work only came about sometime around 
>>>>>> the year 2000 - practically new work, and long after my school days!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So, moving a dielectric material through an electrostatic field 
>>>>>> causes the dielectric to be come magnetized!  I would assume that 
>>>>>> the magnetic field is only generated while the dielectric (or 
>>>>>> conversely, the electrostatic field) is moving?  And the magnetic 
>>>>>> field disappears (probably) when the relative movement stops?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Norm, remember the PZT piezo disks you and Joel used with the MRA?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Experiment: Take one of the PZT disks and mount it on a plastic 
>>>>>> or fiberglass arbor so it can be spun around its axis, kind of 
>>>>>> like a phonograph record.  Place a conductive metallic electrode 
>>>>>> above part of the piezo and one conductive metal electrode below, 
>>>>>> and apply an adjustable H.V d.c. electrostatic field to the 
>>>>>> plates.  You now have a moving piezo dielectric which is spinning 
>>>>>> through a static electric field.  You can easily measure whether 
>>>>>> a magnetic field is being produced by the dielectric with a 
>>>>>> simple magnetic compass or Hall effect sensor.  Note:  you'll 
>>>>>> probably have to grind the silver contact surfaces off both sides 
>>>>>> of the PZT piezo so that the spinning silver conductors don't 
>>>>>> screw with the creation of the dielectric's magnetic field.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It is an easy enough experiment to do.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Step two is to lock the PZT disk in place, so it does NOT move.  
>>>>>> Replace the single top metal electrode with a series of pie-slice 
>>>>>> shapeed electrodes arranged in a disk shape (kind of like a 
>>>>>> sliced pie, with the metal pie slices separated with a small 
>>>>>> gap).  You also replace the lower electrode with a similar series 
>>>>>> of pie-slice electrodes.  Instead of rotating the PZT disk, you 
>>>>>> instead sequentially charge/discharge the pie segments of the 
>>>>>> electrostatic disks.  You would, thus, in effect, be creating a 
>>>>>> *rotating electrostatic field*!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The obvious question now, is whether you would then be measuring 
>>>>>> a rotating magnetic field above the PZT disk?  As far as I know, 
>>>>>> there is no limit as to how fast you could sequentially charge 
>>>>>> the metal disk segments; in other words you could create a 
>>>>>> phenomenally fast rotating electrostatic field, and since there 
>>>>>> is no CURRENT flowing, that I can see, there likely is not a 
>>>>>> counter-emf force you have to fight!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Bert
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 3/3/2019 8:57 AM, Norman Wootan wrote:
>>>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetoelectric_effect
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electromagnetic_field
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetostatics
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrostatics
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Bert, If we are to fully understand AG and EMP, we need to 
>>>>>>> understand the subtle differences from normal.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The current debate is how to shield against EMP and Space 
>>>>>>> Radiation, magnetic.  Pay particular attention to the first 
>>>>>>> topic, especially magnetostrictive and piezo materials
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
> <(PDF) Pressure-Induced Magnetic Transition in Manganite 
> (La0.75Ca0.25MnO3).html>

Norm,
                 At certain points of observations, the cycling of water through the disrupt-er vortex exposure then the physical vortex inside the tank , (imploding) .
The ppms would change as well as the ec.
That at first start up reasonably with in the first hour to two the 500 liters would take a significant change! The ppm would go from approx
250 (tap water) to 300 + -  . The ec would go from 1 to 1,3-4  , then when the nutrients were added and phosphate , then let cycle .
The more it ran with time the more it gained and then....... it felt as if you were loosing it! The ppm as well!  Its like it would just drop off!
Then if you checked later it would appear toall reappear!  Its like it needed to cycle 720 degrees or more recapping its own evaluation with pairing and unpairing.
This is where I refer to as ghost like elements. Octaving its values perhaps?
May sound weird but there is some thing there!   I gave the project to group of students from the University. They said they would keep me apprised.
Hopefully this makes some sense !

Bart

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