shielding from EMP?

As we know the E field can be shielded by a Faraday cage while the B
field is another consideration.

What is the best way to shield electronics from the fast risetime HV B
field,  what type of cocoon would be best?

Bart,

Some nice products there, thanks.

I am using some MuMetal at the moment but like to know what others have
used that works well.  Those Zero Gauss chambers look phenomenal and
gave me some ideas.

On 3/2/2019 10:49 AM, bart woodard [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
> https://www.aaronia.com/products/shielding-screening/?gclid=CjwKCAiA8OjjBRB4EiwAMZe6y5LEtCHmKtfuxYOQriJzI9OZ7cMDdFIRsLpupw9hlgbX1hqUaFeA1hoCk-sQAvD_BwE
>
>

Hi Ole,

Yes I think a sandwich of mumetal and silver would work well.   Perhaps
a dual layer iron could create a more secure cocoon to steer the field
around everything.  No I don't think the B field can be shielded only
something that steers the flux around it.

How did you find out the Checkurkov device destroys electronics?

You seem to know a bit about this device, do you know if he did stop
experimenting with the device as someone commented?
Do you know where he got the idea to build the device?  I think I recall
something about he said the schematics were all public of something very
close to it. 
The opposed spinning magnets would create the reconnect and then I think
the ultrasonic emitter along with the hi voltage ion field likely
cohered the reconnect energy into one happy vortex.


Thanks,

Mick

On 3/2/2019 12:22 PM, [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>  
>
> By the way it doesn't seem to be possible to shield the motional
> electric field. This makes even toroidal wound transformers radiate.
> The field from Alexey Chekurkov's levitating device destroys
> electronics. The Searl effect generator also interacts with electrical
> systems. Both of these devices having mechanical rotating charges make
> them generate motional electric fields.
>
> Regards
> Ole
>
>
>
> ---In [email protected], <onielsen@...> wrote :
>
> Hi Mick,
>
> Iron is a good magnetic shield. For fast rise time a good electrical
> conductor like copper or silver will do too. The magnetic field
> induces eddy currents in the electrical conductor which mirrors the
> magnetic field and thus cancels it on the inside or outside of the
> shield. Iron with its greater electrical resistance dissipates more of
> the magnetic field as heat.
>
> Regards
> Ole
>
>
> ---In [email protected], <mkjekyll@...> wrote :
>
> As we know the E field can be shielded by a Faraday cage while the B
> field is another consideration.
>
> What is the best way to shield electronics from the fast risetime HV B
> field,  what type of cocoon would be best?
>

Got this for a start perhaps a simular cheaper product derived from???

https://www.aaronia.com/products/shielding-screening/?gclid=CjwKCAiA8OjjBRB4EiwAMZe6y5LEtCHmKtfuxYOQriJzI9OZ7cMDdFIRsLpupw9hlgbX1hqUaFeA1hoCk-sQAvD_BwE


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-------- Original message --------
From: "Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY]" <[email protected]>
Date: 2019-03-02 10:48 AM (GMT-07:00)
To: [email protected]
Subject: [EVGRAY] shielding from EMP?



As we know the E field can be shielded by a Faraday cage while the B
field is another consideration.

What is the best way to shield electronics from the fast risetime HV B
field,  what type of cocoon would be best?

Hi Mick,

Iron is a good magnetic shield. For fast rise time a good electrical conductor like copper or silver will do too. The magnetic field induces eddy currents in the electrical conductor which mirrors the magnetic field and thus cancels it on the inside or outside of the shield. Iron with its greater electrical resistance dissipates more of the magnetic field as heat.

Regards
Ole
 

---In [email protected], <mkjekyll@...> wrote :

 As we know the E field can be shielded by a Faraday cage while the B
 field is another consideration.
 
 What is the best way to shield electronics from the fast risetime HV B
 field,  what type of cocoon would be best?

By the way it doesn't seem to be possible to shield the motional electric field. This makes even toroidal wound transformers radiate. The field from Alexey Chekurkov's levitating device destroys electronics. The Searl effect generator also interacts with electrical systems. Both of these devices having mechanical rotating charges make them generate motional electric fields.

Regards
Ole
 

---In [email protected], <onielsen@...> wrote :

 Hi Mick,

Iron is a good magnetic shield. For fast rise time a good electrical conductor like copper or silver will do too. The magnetic field induces eddy currents in the electrical conductor which mirrors the magnetic field and thus cancels it on the inside or outside of the shield. Iron with its greater electrical resistance dissipates more of the magnetic field as heat.

Regards
Ole
 

---In [email protected], <mkjekyll@...> wrote :

 As we know the E field can be shielded by a Faraday cage while the B
 field is another consideration.
 
 What is the best way to shield electronics from the fast risetime HV B
 field,  what type of cocoon would be best?

Mick Ole

I brought this up years ago with some retired electronic engineering friend's.
One dI'd mention occupied iron and another the mumetel which I played with.
I bought also at the time of sheet green in colour for showing magnetic fields.
I remember playing with it and testing out each value bench guessing lol
The occupied iron did work fairly well maybe enough?
I asked the group at the time as my shop was the place of drinking coffee and teas,
about preparing. One gentleman said keep all components fresh that have never been exposed to any value under a sheet of tin and if you can lead. Then should there be an incident
you are ok . It was about 2005 lol


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-------- Original message --------
From: "[email protected] [EVGRAY]" <[email protected]>
Date: 2019-03-02 1:23 PM (GMT-07:00)
To: [email protected]
Subject: [EVGRAY] Re: shielding from EMP?



By the way it doesn't seem to be possible to shield the motional electric field. This makes even toroidal wound transformers radiate. The field from Alexey Chekurkov's levitating device destroys electronics. The Searl effect generator also interacts with electrical systems. Both of these devices having mechanical rotating charges make them generate motional electric fields.

Regards
Ole


---In [email protected], <onielsen@...> wrote :

Hi Mick,

Iron is a good magnetic shield. For fast rise time a good electrical conductor like copper or silver will do too. The magnetic field induces eddy currents in the electrical conductor which mirrors the magnetic field and thus cancels it on the inside or outside of the shield. Iron with its greater electrical resistance dissipates more of the magnetic field as heat.

Regards
Ole


---In [email protected], <mkjekyll@...> wrote :

As we know the E field can be shielded by a Faraday cage while the B
field is another consideration.

What is the best way to shield electronics from the fast risetime HV B
field,  what type of cocoon would be best?

I will try to explain.
One year I packed up the family and headed off to Arizona.
There was or maybe still is a bussiness of a gentleman whom buys scrap military parts and pieces.
I bought almost a 1/4 ton lol
There were 6 toroidal on one arrayment. It was going from large to small in size.
8 inches next 7 next 6 and so on. It had a circuit on it.
Now I could not remember what the values were. Only one guy there told me to watch out for the fields coming off of it.
There were more weird kinds as well vortex like etc.
They were stolen from my shop. But the 6 toroidal one if you put almost anything in or on its openings it would severely alter it's value.
Sometimes blowing them.
The place was down past Phoenix.  I will check .
Prescott. I remember everything was super cheap.
So I was playing with the and seeing what would stand up and for how long kinda thing.  Diodes never took much.






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-------- Original message --------
From: "bart woodard [email protected] [EVGRAY]" <[email protected]>
Date: 2019-03-02 1:35 PM (GMT-07:00)
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [EVGRAY] Re: shielding from EMP?



Mick Ole

I brought this up years ago with some retired electronic engineering friend's.
One dI'd mention occupied iron and another the mumetel which I played with.
I bought also at the time of sheet green in colour for showing magnetic fields.
I remember playing with it and testing out each value bench guessing lol
The occupied iron did work fairly well maybe enough?
I asked the group at the time as my shop was the place of drinking coffee and teas,
about preparing. One gentleman said keep all components fresh that have never been exposed to any value under a sheet of tin and if you can lead. Then should there be an incident
you are ok . It was about 2005 lol


Sent from my Bell Samsung device over Canada's largest network.


-------- Original message --------
From: "[email protected] [EVGRAY]" <[email protected]>
Date: 2019-03-02 1:23 PM (GMT-07:00)
To: [email protected]
Subject: [EVGRAY] Re: shielding from EMP?



By the way it doesn't seem to be possible to shield the motional electric field. This makes even toroidal wound transformers radiate. The field from Alexey Chekurkov's levitating device destroys electronics. The Searl effect generator also interacts with electrical systems. Both of these devices having mechanical rotating charges make them generate motional electric fields.

Regards
Ole


---In [email protected], <onielsen@...> wrote :

Hi Mick,

Iron is a good magnetic shield. For fast rise time a good electrical conductor like copper or silver will do too. The magnetic field induces eddy currents in the electrical conductor which mirrors the magnetic field and thus cancels it on the inside or outside of the shield. Iron with its greater electrical resistance dissipates more of the magnetic field as heat.

Regards
Ole


---In [email protected], <mkjekyll@...> wrote :

As we know the E field can be shielded by a Faraday cage while the B
field is another consideration.

What is the best way to shield electronics from the fast risetime HV B
field,  what type of cocoon would be best?

Hi Mick,

"How did you find out the Checkurkov device destroys electronics?"
Because he tells so in one of his videos. He mentioned that he only had his phone to record the videos and couldn't get too close as it would be destroyed by the fields. He might have destroyed a camera. I don't exactly remember if that was the case.

"You seem to know a bit about this device, do you know if he did stop experimenting with the device as someone commented?"
No idea. He mentions that he needs financing to make one big enough to lift a person. He also needs to find a way to make the device go horizontal. I guess this can be done by tilting the device as being done by helicopter rotors or putting several devices besides each other like in multi motor drones.

"Do you know where he got the idea to build the device?"
Alexey mentions several sources like Viktor Grebrenikov, John R.R. Searl, the Nazi bell and some others hard to understand from the videos and the auto translation. The schematics are standard electronics for generating HV pulses (Tesla coil) and HV DC (Royer alike oscillator with step-up trafo and voltage doubler) and voltage regulation. The Royer oscillator(s) is/are only half part drawn. One Royer is for voltage step up and one driving the Piezzo transducer. One of the devices had only magnets on one of the rotating discs.

Someone here; http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?31743-Flying-Saucer-prototypes-being-built&s=d180e12674fe27e1eac0c76e9529ee9c&p=1241234&viewfull=1#post1241234 http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?31743-Flying-Saucer-prototypes-being-built&s=d180e12674fe27e1eac0c76e9529ee9c&p=1241234&viewfull=1#post1241234 mentions a family visiting an ET flying saucer where they mentions the levitating motor as spokes with cylinders on the ends and the cylinders having projectile pointed ends being rotating in proximity to a screen. The bullet shaped cylinders also had high voltage applied to them when operating which prevented people from being on that deck of the craft when operating. The EHT voltage was probably applied between the screen which could be like a stator or ground and the cylinders at the ends of the spokes. The crew wore shoes that stuck to the floor as they didn't seem to have artificial gravity on board. This is probably why two rotating discs are preferred where one is for levitation and the other is for artificial gravity when flying.

I don't consider magnetic reconnect more than reconnect of waves of the sea. What if all natural forces are just waves in some media like shown by the simulations of the Rhythmodynamics theory and the experiments using media like gases or liquids like ultrasound levitation. Then magnetism is just waves of very short wavelength making up the pattern of magnetism (dual poled field). The very short wavelength is then why magnetic fields are penetrating everything including iron when it gets saturated. I think it was Dr. Paul Brown that mentioned that the strongest magnets were the most radioactive ones when not magnetized. He proposed making a magnet of Uranium to test the theory. When the spin of the electrons are aligned the energy manifests as a magnetic field instead of radiating at radioactive wavelengths according to Dr. Brown's theory or hypothesis.

Regards
Ole
 

---In [email protected], <mkjekyll@...> wrote :

 Hi Ole,
 Yes I think a sandwich of mumetal and silver would work well.   Perhaps a dual layer iron could create a more secure cocoon to steer the field around everything.  No I don't think the B field can be shielded only something that steers the flux around it.
 How did you find out the Checkurkov device destroys electronics?
 You seem to know a bit about this device, do you know if he did stop experimenting with the device as someone commented?
 Do you know where he got the idea to build the device?  I think I recall something about he said the schematics were all public of something very close to it.  
 The opposed spinning magnets would create the reconnect and then I think the ultrasonic emitter along with the hi voltage ion field likely cohered the reconnect energy into one happy vortex.
 

 Thanks,
 Mick

 On 3/2/2019 12:22 PM, onielsen@... mailto:onielsen@... [EVGRAY] wrote:

   By the way it doesn't seem to be possible to shield the motional electric field. This makes even toroidal wound transformers radiate. The field from Alexey Chekurkov's levitating device destroys electronics. The Searl effect generator also interacts with electrical systems. Both of these devices having mechanical rotating charges make them generate motional electric fields.
 
 Regards
 Ole

 
 
 ---In [email protected] mailto:[email protected], <onielsen@...> mailto:onielsen@... wrote :
 
 Hi Mick,
 
 Iron is a good magnetic shield. For fast rise time a good electrical conductor like copper or silver will do too. The magnetic field induces eddy currents in the electrical conductor which mirrors the magnetic field and thus cancels it on the inside or outside of the shield. Iron with its greater electrical resistance dissipates more of the magnetic field as heat.
 
 Regards
 Ole
 
 
 ---In [email protected] mailto:[email protected], <mkjekyll@...> mailto:mkjekyll@... wrote :
 
 As we know the E field can be shielded by a Faraday cage while the B
 field is another consideration.
 
 What is the best way to shield electronics from the fast risetime HV B
 field,  what type of cocoon would be best?