Re: [EVGRAY] GaryP circuit #1

DougYour idea of the capacitor bucket brigade seems to be working for Gary. Now I am intrigued with ECM motors. I had no idea they could also be generators.What about the Samsung washing machine motor? Can that possibly also used as a generator?Big cities generate a lot of appliances as scrap. So far we have managed to get four Samsung motors, or at least my friend Mike has, on my behalf.I wish that I can use them also as generators to good effect.ECM motors under a horsepower, show up as furnace blower motorsThe also run things like heat pumpsCheers Warren

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  On Fri, 22 Feb 2019 at 12:25 PM, 'Douglas L. Konzen' [email protected] [EVGRAY]<[email protected]> wrote:       


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Hi Warren
Gary is using his samsung washing machine motor  as both the prome mover motor,  and also also as a  generator through the hand wound pickup cpils he wound on the backside of the  existing motor cpils in his samsung motor.
And yes those pancake washing machine motors make great generators all  on their owm, ypu can rewire coil connections so all on series for HV or parallel some or all for lower voltages more amps
BUT
They will  suffer fate of lenz law braking under loading of the coils killing evierything...unless you can find specific rpm range and loading resistance where the Thane Karl Heinz delayed lenz effect  will happen
AND/OR
You construct like Gary did, a cap dischrage output circuit in bucket brigade/ two stage/ diode plug design so that the only load that the generator or induced pickup coils see or feel.is filling the caps, and Gary noted  with the  "fillng caps pulsing" function  of his circuit you set when to fill caps to happen at peak voltage of primary pulse in case of pickup winds, to be or whatever peak voltage is for whatever rotating generato happens to be,.
He foynd very large caps cam be filled witb no extrs draw or reflaction to the prime mover or primary so its lenz free and Gary in recemt tests used circuit on both the ECM motor working as generator and also tbe induced pickup winds and worked great with eithe one.
Kone

DougYou are very helpful.It is hard to grasp the concept of exactly where the energy is, and what form it is in, at any single moment in time.My specific challenge on hand, is to replicate, or make, a 10 KW generator to supply the energy needs of a small 20 foot sailing, canal, vessel, that I wish to power electrically, for the purposes of a practical experiment.It presently has a perfectly good rebuilt Yanmar single cylinder 6 hp diesel enginethat I recently installed.As luck, and happenstance occured, the Saint Lawrence River is on the other side of the road, and totally suitable for such a vessel to safely navigate among theThousand Islands, located in this part of the river.As you know, it is very hard to engage people's hearts, and minds, to the idea that energy may be simply free, as it represents such a milestone in human struggle.Besides, for a few of us, these nerdy videos, showing meters, dials, and very modest science fiction props, whirring away on a bench, could claim anything, but for the most part, just cause the eyes of the causal viewer to glaze over, and switch to something more interesting.I am not interested in marketing anything, except perhaps in the larger context of human survival on this planet, along with all the rest of the life forms that have emerged from the resources of this orb, we inhabit.It appears there are a few people so self centered, that they believe they are capable of enforcing ignorance on the rest of mankind simply to keep exploiting them.Along with diode plugs, motors, generators, and free running machines, these are also issues that must be addressed, so the bearers of these gifts, are justly treated to the acclaim, and kudos, they well deserve among their peers, as well as the general population, for their art, and creativity.Poor Tesla, is an example of being ground under the heels of some, powerful, industrialists, with a selfish little agenda.This outcome can be avoided much as Philip Dick did it, back in the McCarthy fifties, writing novels such as "Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep" as parables, bringing the future into the present, much as Jules Verne did it in his time.So that brings me back to wanting to power a concrete boat through a canal to Ottawa with electricity, but no batteries needed.It is the most verdant, beautiful scenery in Canada, this little used canal, built in the 1820's. How fitting a location for a silent bit of mobile beauty serenely powering through the early morning mist of the pasture boardered lakes, lime stone locks, with cast iron, hand operated gears operating the gates.So it is a fancy of my old age to do this build, before unable to complete it, and enjoy its simple pleasures, sharing them with the World.Cheers Warren




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  On Sat, 23 Feb 2019 at 10:54 PM, [email protected] [EVGRAY]<[email protected]> wrote:       
Hi Warren
Gary is using his samsung washing machine motor as both the prome mover motor, and also also as a generator through the hand wound pickup cpils he wound on the backside of the existing motor cpils in his samsung motor.
And yes those pancake washing machine motors make great generators all on their owm, ypu can rewire coil connections so all on series for HV or parallel some or all for lower voltages more amps
BUT
They will suffer fate of lenz law braking under loading of the coils killing evierything...unless you can find specific rpm range and loading resistance where the Thane Karl Heinz delayed lenz effect will happen
AND/OR
You construct like Gary did, a cap dischrage output circuit in bucket brigade/ two stage/ diode plug design so that the only load that the generator or induced pickup coils see or feel.is filling the caps, and Gary noted with the "fillng caps pulsing" function of his circuit you set when to fill caps to happen at peak voltage of primary pulse in case of pickup winds, to be or whatever peak voltage is for whatever rotating generato happens to be,.
He foynd very large caps cam be filled witb no extrs draw or reflaction to the prime mover or primary so its lenz free and Gary in recemt tests used circuit on both the ECM motor working as generator and also tbe induced pickup winds and worked great with eithe one.
Kone
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DougThere is no doubt the way to go is making that circuit, as Gary did.I am trying for the least fussy solution, in terms of operation through a variety of loads.Heavy farad capacitors seem to be on the list things to get.The company in Upper State New York that sent me a sample batch of super capacitors is a contender.Ioxus  600F are only 2.7 volts, and the dimensions nearly of a D cell battery, could be packed in series.I am not sure about if electrolytic type capacitors are suitable?So far, my home made capacitors are only in the less than 1uf range, reliable as they are, and several thousand volts, before flash over, but nowhere near the capacity we need.I think we are likely looking at an internet purchase, once we varify the best type to get.For now, maybe the best route is to do exactly as Gary has done with all his components.At first, I thought ECM motors were too expensive. Mile assures me heating and air conditioning have been using them for a decade, and they get scrapped quite often because the controllers crap out.Yes, controllers crap out. Companies no longer supply parts, or the big fish eat the little fish, leaving nothing but the smell of dead fish in the air.I like tangible objects to hang around being useful, as well as decorative. I hate little unobtainium parts, that make something useless, for lack of a widget you can't make yourself.But hey! ECM motors for scrap, can't be that bad if we can make them do the trick.
What I am asking about is the down side of using free Samsung washing machine motors as generators, since they are practically, the devil we know, and have on hand, as it were,( though 4 hours away.)Obliging young nieces, with cars, who love skiing in the country weekends, can load Samsung motors in the Honda Fit?I sure would like to get started.What else do we need Doug?I presume you are equipping your machine with this circuit?Cheers Warren
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  On Sat, 23 Feb 2019 at 10:54 PM, [email protected] [EVGRAY]<[email protected]> wrote:       
Hi Warren
Gary is using his samsung washing machine motor as both the prome mover motor, and also also as a generator through the hand wound pickup cpils he wound on the backside of the existing motor cpils in his samsung motor.
And yes those pancake washing machine motors make great generators all on their owm, ypu can rewire coil connections so all on series for HV or parallel some or all for lower voltages more amps
BUT
They will suffer fate of lenz law braking under loading of the coils killing evierything...unless you can find specific rpm range and loading resistance where the Thane Karl Heinz delayed lenz effect will happen
AND/OR
You construct like Gary did, a cap dischrage output circuit in bucket brigade/ two stage/ diode plug design so that the only load that the generator or induced pickup coils see or feel.is filling the caps, and Gary noted with the "fillng caps pulsing" function of his circuit you set when to fill caps to happen at peak voltage of primary pulse in case of pickup winds, to be or whatever peak voltage is for whatever rotating generato happens to be,.
He foynd very large caps cam be filled witb no extrs draw or reflaction to the prime mover or primary so its lenz free and Gary in recemt tests used circuit on both the ECM motor working as generator and also tbe induced pickup winds and worked great with eithe one.
Kone
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Hi Warren
I cannot see what exactly are the components in GP's circuit drawings i blew them up on paimt program yesterday and still much is not legible.
He says this is my circuir with some modifications so I have half an idea wbat to.do but i will need to write him ask for clarification page by page component by component so will do that today.
Kone

Kone,

In your Muller motors, how much capacitance do you require to generate a
solid 1000 watts continuous?
Obviously it's similar to engines and horsepower as the higher the RPM
the faster one could fill the caps but based on your highest and best
design so far what would you presume the capacity for a kilowatt of Lenz
free isolated goodness?

On 2/25/2019 7:06 AM, [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>  
>
> Hi Warren
> GP just sent.me much clearer schematics into my ail, so will forward
> on to you. Also will replace what i.put up in files with tbe newer
> circuits much more clear. He also sent me the circuit of mine he says
> his is based on .... wbich is a circuit i did with bidirectionally
> connected mosfets wbich was meant for peak cpil shorting. I used 4421
> and 4422 mosfet gate driver chips one makes a bidirectional mosfet
> paiir NonSWoff the other NoffSWon then two hall effects are employed
> to drift on closer or further away and this conrols pulse width.
> Seems like this is part of it, i tbink he adjusys pulse
> Width im other means i will have to study lots more
> Really using ecm motors as generators or using pamcake.wash machine
> motor az prime mover i dont think maytetz so much as the cap discharge
> circuit has no lenz eff3ct filling big caps.
> Kone
>
>

DougThank you for that.The Samsungs are on the way.I have to dig out my magnet wire and coil winding machine.Capacitors, and circuit, are the challenge. I have a sheet of 1" grey pvc plastic that I found in my supplies.It is toasty in my stone barn now.Outside the winds have been howling up to hurricane strength all night and plunging down cold.Two foot thick stone is working as designed, by ancients. Now heat pump is doing a good job. Hope the electrical wires stay up along the road.Cheers Warren

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  On Mon, 25 Feb 2019 at 2:52 AM, [email protected] [EVGRAY]<[email protected]> wrote:       
Hi Warren
I cannot see what exactly are the components in GP's circuit drawings i blew them up on paimt program yesterday and still much is not legible.
He says this is my circuir with some modifications so I have half an idea wbat to.do but i will need to write him ask for clarification page by page component by component so will do that today.
Kone
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Hi Warren 
GP just sent.me much clearer schematics into my ail, so will forward on to you. Also will replace what i.put up in files with tbe newer circuits much more clear. He also sent me the circuit of mine he says his is based on .... wbich is a circuit i did with bidirectionally connected mosfets wbich was meant for peak cpil shorting. I used  4421 and 4422 mosfet gate driver chips one makes a bidirectional mosfet paiir NonSWoff the other NoffSWon then two hall effects are employed to drift on closer or further away and this conrols pulse width.
Seems like this is part of it, i tbink he adjusys pulse
Width im other means i will have to study lots more
Really using ecm motors as generators or using pamcake.wash machine motor az prime mover i dont think maytetz so much as the cap discharge circuit has no lenz eff3ct filling big caps.
Kone

DougThat is interesting about pulse width. Isn't that a matter of adjusting time duration of the voltage on function?Have you read Patrick Kelly and his recent entry regarding a similar topic that is only a few weeks old where an Arduino board is used.He gives solder joint by solder joint detailed instructions in his latest version. Arduinos are so cheap that people who want a flashing light are now using them to be the flasher unit. Programming anything is a learning curve pain in the butt, but in thus case, may be worth the learning time.It is all 5 volt TTL logic control.My take on this matter is, simple is best. The first guy having a good working system says here is a control board for $100, gets my pledge, because like everyone else, I just want to use it, rather than go through the learning curve, put on the squinty glasses, and solder the sucker together, then trouble shoot the board, hoping to get silence to sing and dance.
Thank you for your thoughts as always, which of course, this time, send me into crazy DC motor dreams, just because they are the devils I know, and have lots of.Motor, generator, no Lenz generators belted in profusion.Maybe all those Indian guys with the big flywheels have been doing this all along?Cheers Warren
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  On Mon, 25 Feb 2019 at 10:11 AM, [email protected] [EVGRAY]<[email protected]> wrote:       
Hi Warren 
GP just sent.me much clearer schematics into my ail, so will forward on to you. Also will replace what i.put up in files with tbe newer circuits much more clear. He also sent me the circuit of mine he says his is based on .... wbich is a circuit i did with bidirectionally connected mosfets wbich was meant for peak cpil shorting. I used 4421 and 4422 mosfet gate driver chips one makes a bidirectional mosfet paiir NonSWoff the other NoffSWon then two hall effects are employed to drift on closer or further away and this conrols pulse width.
Seems like this is part of it, i tbink he adjusys pulse
Width im other means i will have to study lots more
Really using ecm motors as generators or using pamcake.wash machine motor az prime mover i dont think maytetz so much as the cap discharge circuit has no lenz eff3ct filling big caps.
Kone
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Hi Warren
 Yes its looking pretty complicated, and long time soldering and testing ...maybe should wait for the boards to be run off in small quantities. G
 I asked Gary which circuit it is of mine that he is basing what he is doing on, and he sent me this circuit, which is not a bucket brigade cap discharge circuit, or a two stage cap discharge circuit, what circuit is he sent is one to adjust pulse width using two hall effects, drifting them closer fo smaller pulse width, further away for longer pulse width. This was meant for peak coil shorting, to get a very narrow pulse width so it doesn't cause reflection during the shorted event of the coil....this is why the mosfets are bidirectional, in that the instead of just one mosfet there are a pair, and the gates and sources connect and switching happens between drain A and drain B....Not included in this circuit Gary sent is addition of very fast diode on each of the 4 mosfets, pointing from source to drain on each so that during switch closure the hyper ringing will circulate and not hit a wall within mosfet in one direction.
 Gary does use the 4421 driver chip, and the 4422 driver chip however, and these are neat things, as you can keep all circuitry the  same,, but just change driver chip around and you can have one switch be NonSWoff and the other NoffSWon........as you will need a switch that is normally ON switches OFF to allow power to pass into cap from the coil, but as soon as the cap discharges to load, that cap wants to be disconnected from the coil (AKA two stage output) so now that switch that allows power to fill cap no suddenly becomes the switch that disconnects the cap from the coil and Gary is doing this in his circuits also using the 4421  and 4422 chips.
 Anyways my advice is when you get your pancake washing machine motors, hooke them up to a regular 96VDC treadmill motor, but a variac on it between your grid and the motor and take that pancake motor up through some rpms....up around 2000 or so go 50rpm segments, put a load on the pancake motor being used as generator, try to find a sweet spot in rpm where motor speeds up during loading and does not brake and cause extra draw....you can do it just by the sound really
 IF you find that then design everything to be spinning that pancake motor at that specific rpm.
 I am on fence about arduinos as I thnk they are a bit slow for OU work, in very immediate switch times but I don't know,,,,,never have programmed one....should be good for bucket brigade or two stage cap filling and dumping however but I don't know.
 Kone

DougI can hook a washing machine motor to a DC driver motor, like what you say running off AC grid , Variac, fwbr, adjusting speeds, and noting amperage, looking for the sweet spot just like an RV with capacitors.Now, the washing machine motor needs diodes to rectify all the AC signals that will come off those coils, these then get inverted once stable?Cheers Warren
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Hi Warren

Yes its looking pretty complicated, and long time soldering and testing ...maybe should wait for the boards to be run off in small quantities. G

I asked Gary which circuit it is of mine that he is basing what he is doing on, and he sent me this circuit, which is not a bucket brigade cap discharge circuit, or a two stage cap discharge circuit, what circuit is he sent is one to adjust pulse width using two hall effects, drifting them closer fo smaller pulse width, further away for longer pulse width. This was meant for peak coil shorting, to get a very narrow pulse width so it doesn't cause reflection during the shorted event of the coil....this is why the mosfets are bidirectional, in that the instead of just one mosfet there are a pair, and the gates and sources connect and switching happens between drain A and drain B....Not included in this circuit Gary sent is addition of very fast diode on each of the 4 mosfets, pointing from source to drain on each so that during switch closure the hyper ringing will circulate and not hit a wall within mosfet in one direction.

Gary does use the 4421 driver chip, and the 4422 driver chip however, and these are neat things, as you can keep all circuitry the  same,, but just change driver chip around and you can have one switch be NonSWoff and the other NoffSWon........as you will need a switch that is normally ON switches OFF to allow power to pass into cap from the coil, but as soon as the cap discharges to load, that cap wants to be disconnected from the coil (AKA two stage output) so now that switch that allows power to fill cap no suddenly becomes the switch that disconnects the cap from the coil and Gary is doing this in his circuits also using the 4421  and 4422 chips.

Anyways my advice is when you get your pancake washing machine motors, hooke them up to a regular 96VDC treadmill motor, but a variac on it between your grid and the motor and take that pancake motor up through some rpms....up around 2000 or so go 50rpm segments, put a load on the pancake motor being used as generator, try to find a sweet spot in rpm where motor speeds up during loading and does not brake and cause extra draw....you can do it just by the sound really

IF you find that then design everything to be spinning that pancake motor at that specific rpm.

I am on fence about arduinos as I thnk they are a bit slow for OU work, in very immediate switch times but I don't know,,,,,never have programmed one....should be good for bucket brigade or two stage cap filling and dumping however but I don't know.

Kone

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Warren .didn't you say that you tried to build a son smith device but it
didn't work out .? Some new research I've done may say why .for one thing
you can't use standard caps or resistors .you do your calculation for
resonant with your coils then try to put in a standard cap or resistor and
your screwed .because the problem is that at radio frequency the standard
stuff adds induction or capacitance and its off the mark and won't work
.you have to check the coil capacitance too . I didn't understand how the
energy coming up from the earth ground stayed in the system being there's
no diode to keep it there but now I know is the tank circuit the resonant
tank acts like a resistor and all other frequency leave it but at resonance
it locks in the desired frequency .exactly like a radio tank circuit .and
at resonance you've got no resistance it becomes a super conductor at that
frequency and all other coils replicate the exact voltage as the l2 coil
.finding a good variable hi voltage cap would let you tune with out being a
pain in the ass .it reminds me of tuning a intermediate amplifier on a TV
.if everything is in tune or harmony it woks other wise SOL .those non
inductive resistors are hard to fine .I thought of the Möbius non inductive
strip resistors put not sure if they have a capacitance issue.don just got
rid of much of the trouble with the slide the coil in to the coil L1 in to
L2_ it tunes its self at some point .

On Monday, February 25, 2019, Warren Keillor [email protected]
[EVGRAY] <[email protected]> wrote:

>
>
> Doug
> I can hook a washing machine motor to a DC driver motor, like what you say
> running off AC grid , Variac, fwbr, adjusting speeds, and noting amperage,
> looking for the sweet spot just like an RV with capacitors.
> Now, the washing machine motor needs diodes to rectify all the AC signals
> that will come off those coils, these then get inverted once stable?
> Cheers Warren
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
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>
> On Mon, 25 Feb 2019 at 1:34 PM, [email protected] [EVGRAY]
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
> Hi Warren
>
> Yes its looking pretty complicated, and long time soldering and testing
> ...maybe should wait for the boards to be run off in small quantities. G
>
> I asked Gary which circuit it is of mine that he is basing what he is
> doing on, and he sent me this circuit, which is not a bucket brigade cap
> discharge circuit, or a two stage cap discharge circuit, what circuit is he
> sent is one to adjust pulse width using two hall effects, drifting them
> closer fo smaller pulse width, further away for longer pulse width. This
> was meant for peak coil shorting, to get a very narrow pulse width so it
> doesn't cause reflection during the shorted event of the coil....this is
> why the mosfets are bidirectional, in that the instead of just one mosfet
> there are a pair, and the gates and sources connect and switching happens
> between drain A and drain B....Not included in this circuit Gary sent is
> addition of very fast diode on each of the 4 mosfets, pointing from source
> to drain on each so that during switch closure the hyper ringing will
> circulate and not hit a wall within mosfet in one direction.
>
> Gary does use the 4421 driver chip, and the 4422 driver chip however, and
> these are neat things, as you can keep all circuitry the  same,, but just
> change driver chip around and you can have one switch be NonSWoff and the
> other NoffSWon........as you will need a switch that is normally ON
> switches OFF to allow power to pass into cap from the coil, but as soon as
> the cap discharges to load, that cap wants to be disconnected from the coil
> (AKA two stage output) so now that switch that allows power to fill cap no
> suddenly becomes the switch that disconnects the cap from the coil and Gary
> is doing this in his circuits also using the 4421  and 4422 chips.
>
> Anyways my advice is when you get your pancake washing machine motors,
> hooke them up to a regular 96VDC treadmill motor, but a variac on it
> between your grid and the motor and take that pancake motor up through some
> rpms....up around 2000 or so go 50rpm segments, put a load on the pancake
> motor being used as generator, try to find a sweet spot in rpm where motor
> speeds up during loading and does not brake and cause extra draw....you can
> do it just by the sound really
>
> IF you find that then design everything to be spinning that pancake motor
> at that specific rpm.
>
> I am on fence about arduinos as I thnk they are a bit slow for OU work, in
> very immediate switch times but I don't know,,,,,never have programmed
> one....should be good for bucket brigade or two stage cap filling and
> dumping however but I don't know.
>
> Kone
>
> 
>

Programming anything is a learning curve pain in the butt, but in thus case, may be worth the learning time.
 

 Warren, I'm with you!
 

 However Nano (small arduino) are just a couple of bux from Aliexpress and for programming I found Great Cow Basic something even I could figure out.
 

 http://gcbasic.sourceforge.net/Typesetter/index.php/Home http://gcbasic.sourceforge.net/Typesetter/index.php/Home

 

 Ron

Hi DougOkay I can hook up a DC motor to drive the pancake motor, via the variac, no problem. I  am assuming that I put the output into a bridge rectifier, or bridge rectifiers, to output DC, then feed that to a load , such as a  big DC motor as in a 180 volt 1 1/2  hp gearhead motor, since I won't likely know the voltage, and that should bracket it just fine, what ever it is.So...what should one expect with observing the sweet spot, speed up under load speed? Should that use less amperage all of a sudden on reaching that specific RPM sweet spot?I am trying to understand the possible variations for achieving an over unity condition from a motor, AC generator, combination.This seems related in some ways to my flywheel efforts, much like our numerous colleagues around the World seem to show us on youtube with great glee motors driving generators that drive themselves.My construction was fairly robust, and I tried a variety of motors with it, but I was ignorant of this specific speed criteria "sweet spot" and just found old Lenz's law results, much to my boredom.My generator voltage regulator was kaput, so I was using a variac and bridge to control it.I would like a circuit board when Gary gets around to them, but, in the meantime, will try the rpm search.Cheers Warren

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Hi Warren

Yes its looking pretty complicated, and long time soldering and testing ...maybe should wait for the boards to be run off in small quantities. G

I asked Gary which circuit it is of mine that he is basing what he is doing on, and he sent me this circuit, which is not a bucket brigade cap discharge circuit, or a two stage cap discharge circuit, what circuit is he sent is one to adjust pulse width using two hall effects, drifting them closer fo smaller pulse width, further away for longer pulse width. This was meant for peak coil shorting, to get a very narrow pulse width so it doesn't cause reflection during the shorted event of the coil....this is why the mosfets are bidirectional, in that the instead of just one mosfet there are a pair, and the gates and sources connect and switching happens between drain A and drain B....Not included in this circuit Gary sent is addition of very fast diode on each of the 4 mosfets, pointing from source to drain on each so that during switch closure the hyper ringing will circulate and not hit a wall within mosfet in one direction.

Gary does use the 4421 driver chip, and the 4422 driver chip however, and these are neat things, as you can keep all circuitry the  same,, but just change driver chip around and you can have one switch be NonSWoff and the other NoffSWon........as you will need a switch that is normally ON switches OFF to allow power to pass into cap from the coil, but as soon as the cap discharges to load, that cap wants to be disconnected from the coil (AKA two stage output) so now that switch that allows power to fill cap no suddenly becomes the switch that disconnects the cap from the coil and Gary is doing this in his circuits also using the 4421  and 4422 chips.

Anyways my advice is when you get your pancake washing machine motors, hooke them up to a regular 96VDC treadmill motor, but a variac on it between your grid and the motor and take that pancake motor up through some rpms....up around 2000 or so go 50rpm segments, put a load on the pancake motor being used as generator, try to find a sweet spot in rpm where motor speeds up during loading and does not brake and cause extra draw....you can do it just by the sound really

IF you find that then design everything to be spinning that pancake motor at that specific rpm.

I am on fence about arduinos as I thnk they are a bit slow for OU work, in very immediate switch times but I don't know,,,,,never have programmed one....should be good for bucket brigade or two stage cap filling and dumping however but I don't know.

Kone

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Hi Warren
I dont know if a motor as load would be so good, i would do liight bulbs or some big reskstors or make your own with nichrome wite wound around wood stick.
Tbe motors woulx be an inducti ve load bit different tban resistivr not sure it wll matter much actually...
Anyways i woukd take it to 1200rpm, then put your load o. It, then 1250 rpm, 1300rpm iilke that right on up to aroumd 2100rp. I predict it wil lbe witb 18 rotor magnets  there sboulx be speed up when it is loadex. You can loaf it alwYs wait until draw to motor drops suddemly too.
Load only one phase of the three the pancake motor will have so nothing overlapping.  Try connnecting coils on that phase in series, all in parallel and combknations of each..thera actually is  formula to figure it out will send linkd after tbis
Kone

Here is how tocalculate the delayed lenz:
https://youtu.be/cVFXSZzUNmE

Here is test and exsmple 12 magnet rotor 
No speed  up since synchrous ac motor but amps drop at rpm wi dow
https://youtu.be/VSCIws7zppU

Woopys video 16 magnet rotor gets speec up at 2200rpm
https://youtu.be/zrbEtXCsXiw

Here is off sbelf stepper motor that speeds up a bit wben loaded
https://youtu.be/MDY_k13id0I

DougI have my Golden three phase motor here, that I can hook up to a dc motor for this test.The Golden is approximately similar, perhaps, to the Samsung?
Being a bicycle motor, it is not quite as easy to belt drive, but I can do it.I'll give it a try!Thank youCheers Warren
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Here is test and exsmple 12 magnet rotor 
No speed up since synchrous ac motor but amps drop at rpm wi dow
https://youtu.be/VSCIws7zppU
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