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http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/repulsb.htm


On 3/31/2017 7:40 PM, Norman Wootan wrote:
>
>
> On 3/31/2017 7:39 PM, Norman Wootan wrote:
>>
>> The answer is in the vortices that are generated As in tornadoes, 
>> ionization occurs at micro level! Schauberger's Repulsine device 
>> worked this way and produced AG effect!
>>
>>
>> On 3/31/2017 7:18 PM, John Berry [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>> So someone had reason to think that it was a beetle that was the 
>>> mystery insect and this is a close up of a structure that is 
>>> uncovered and changes angle during flight:
>>> Inline image 1
>>> I am not sure who found this and I forget the supporting details, 
>>> but there is a good reason to think that's it, but now I am going to 
>>> try and explain how and why it works.
>>> So we could sum this up as a bunch of cones shooting energy through 
>>> circular holes.
>>>
>>> Ok, now I want to take what will seem like a funny unconnected turn 
>>> and point out the work of James Cornwell:
>>> http://rexresearch.com/cornwell/cornwell.htm
>>>
>>> So he made a device that seems to disrupt electronics to a point 
>>> that seem mysterious and the radiation passes through Faraday cages, 
>>> so this is aetheric energy, we could say "radiant energy:.
>>>
>>> If we look at the design of his device, he uses a magnetron that is 
>>> powered in an unbalanced manner (I would expect that to output 
>>> aetheric energy), and then this radiation passed through transparent 
>>> electropositive and electronegitive transparent windows.   What I 
>>> have found from my own research is that is what I term "neutral" 
>>> aether energy passes through a transparent charged film, it is 
>>> changed by that.
>>> Tesla made a radiant energy receiver which was a large plate covered 
>>> in a special transparent coating.
>>>
>>> The wire in Edwin's tube are coated in Teflon which is the most 
>>> strongly known electronegative material.
>>> I also want to point out this: 
>>> http://amasci.com/weird/unusual/e-wall.html  <A transparent force 
>>> wall from highly charged moving cling film.
>>>
>>> So we want to send energy through a transparent material, but is 
>>> there another way?
>>>
>>> Well it turns out you can make a window with aetheric energy, this 
>>> can be done in either a cylinder, or a plane, if a cylinder and 
>>> there is an aether vortex going on, the "ghost" of that cylinder 
>>> rotates such that there is "energy" from the solid parts of the 
>>> cylinder where the windows are.
>>> With a plane (flat surface not the 'aero type'), an aetheric 
>>> radiation that occurs in the plane and focuses in the center.
>>>
>>> So, where is this window method used?
>>>
>>> Paul Baumann and Edwin Gray both used holes in cylinders and plates 
>>> for this reason I believe, they condition energies that are emitted 
>>> through the windows.
>>>
>>> But this is where we run into another group of devices.
>>>
>>> So there was this guy in this field who went by the handle DMBoss, 
>>> he experimented with a discovery that others have researched which 
>>> is an energy beam that occurs with magnets placed on tubes of noble 
>>> gas, anyway he also did other experiments and while I forget all the 
>>> details of the experiment, this one experiment he told me about, he 
>>> had a large pancake coil with a hole in the middle and it was 
>>> suspended, at some point with no conventional cause it just suddenly 
>>> started swinging.   It was a one off as such, but I will now explore 
>>> several similar things!
>>>
>>> Next is Jeff Cook, he make a coil that while not quite a pancake as 
>>> it is long as well as wide the effect still occurs, it also has the 
>>> kind of asymmetry that effects the aether, this was given an impulse 
>>> of power that could apparently bend flames, and when Tim Ventura of 
>>> the site "American Antigravity" tested it, this thing sent out a 
>>> beam that killed the piezo starters in a distant gas cook top.  
>>> Basically gravity like impulses occurred.
>>>
>>> Next, is Ronald Stiffler who made a device that created an impulse 
>>> that moved bits of paper and might have bent a laser beam a bit, it 
>>> consisted of one large and one smaller iron toroid wrapped in a 
>>> copper coil. Again there is asymmetry and the larger fatter toroid 
>>> is again very thick.
>>>
>>> Next is Morton L. Morton, he made a series of experiment where a Van 
>>> de Graff is induced somehow to discharge through a glass tube to a 
>>> large aluminium plate with a hole in the center, this caused the 
>>> emission of a repulsive or attractive force depending on finer details.
>>>
>>> Next is Podkletnov who after his spinning superconductor success did 
>>> a seriously suped up version of the Morton experiment, his impulses 
>>> were incomparably stronger, the details are more exotic but the 
>>> structure is similar to a combo of Morton, Stiffler and Jeff Cook's 
>>> device.
>>>
>>> Next is Howard Menger, I will describe a hybrid device that is a 
>>> combo of his early experiment and his later experiment for 
>>> simplicity, take a large circular aluminium disk with a hole in the 
>>> center, put a carbon rod wrapped with a copper coil around the rod, 
>>> apply a pulse from a battery (a modest 1.5v cell from a flash 
>>> light).  This resulted in a huge thrusting up of the aluminium plate 
>>> that broke through his ceiling.
>>> He actually could not fully replicate his early success without 
>>> making a seriously more built up version which involved more coils 
>>> and more power, but he was apparently able to replicate the results 
>>> to create an antigravity craft.
>>>
>>> Next, we will change thing a bit and look at the "capwarp": 
>>> http://amasci.com/caps/capwarp.html
>>> This device creates a thrust, it was replicated successfully by 2-3 
>>> people, one using the pages of a book as the dielectric and pasting 
>>> tin coil circles and connecting strips on the pages.  Each layer 
>>> again influences the space through the center, flow through the 
>>> center happens due to both a rotational effect that occurs and 
>>> possible having a positive on one end and negative on the other.
>>>
>>> Next is Doyle, this was in the Rex Research paper infolios but not 
>>> online I don't think, it was a large circular capacitor that lost 
>>> weight, no matter if the positive or negative was up.  it was just a 
>>> science fare project. He used Styrofoam as the dielectric.
>>>
>>> Ok, so now have you watched the "fluxliner" documentary?  If not I 
>>> HIGHLY recommend it!
>>> The construction there and this is an "Alien Reproduction Vehicle" 
>>> is a large capacitor the size of the saucer craft, the capacitor is 
>>> in segments like the cap warp with a hole in the middle, it also has 
>>> a coil the energy also goes through.  Glass dielectric.
>>>
>>> The guy who made the documentary was assassinated, but in another 
>>> version some report to have seen an extra detail given, about a guy 
>>> in university who made a circular HV capacitor with glass 
>>> dielectric, it lost all weight.
>>>
>>> I myself can vouch that this segmented approach is powerful.
>>>
>>> If we look at moving through the center of such a capacitor, we 
>>> would see a series of positive and negative planes (plates), 
>>> alternating positive negative.   Much like Cornwell's transparent 
>>> windows!
>>> In addition while a plane creates a much stronger energy that just a 
>>> ring, Hamel and Searl and even Otis T. Car would qualify, Searl has 
>>> 3 concentric rings in the same plane, and Hamel as 2 concentric 
>>> rings but stacked 3 in series and another large ring magnet below that.
>>>
>>> To some extent all you need is a circle (a loop), it's just that the 
>>> more you have the more extreme the "window".
>>>
>>> The biggest question is how the different types of "window" change 
>>> the effects of the energy that goes through, a capacitor and a coil 
>>> or a neutral object are all very different and likely relate to 
>>> different effects on the energy that goes through the window.
>>>
>>> Also my theory is that the window is about picking  up energies or 
>>> qualities, but it is possible that it is about filtering out 
>>> energies or qualities, or about changing energies of what moves 
>>> through it.
>>>
>>> But I think this is the basis of the bugs secret, and a powerful 
>>> secret of aetheric energy, this allows energy to be variously 
>>> conditioned.
>>>
>>> John
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> John Berry
>>>
>>> On Sat, Apr 1, 2017 at 11:09 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] 
>>> <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] <[email protected] 
>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>>>
>>>     John! I would love to read your ideas and theory and will also
>>>     share my ideas as to how "flight" actually works.  I'm 79 now
>>>     and have been at this since my childhood since I grew up around
>>>     aircraft.  My Dad had two and I would wash airplanes just for a
>>>     ride. (Late 40s).    Norm
>>>
>>>
>>>     On 3/31/2017 2:43 PM, John Berry [email protected]
>>>     <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>     Norm, yes I know.
>>>>
>>>>     And I think I know what was going on with the insects, I think
>>>>     I might know the shape and how it worked.
>>>>
>>>>     I can write it up, but I just need to know you want to read it,
>>>>      It might be a little long, it makes a decent case.
>>>>
>>>>     John
>>>>
>>>>     John Berry
>>>>
>>>>     On Sat, Apr 1, 2017 at 2:40 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected]
>>>>     <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] <[email protected]
>>>>     <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>         John! regarding the "shimmer/invisibility", see this: 
>>>>         Viktor Stepanovich Grebennikov --- naturalist and a
>>>>         professional entomologist. He is also an artist and an
>>>>         intellectual with a wide range of interests and pursuits.
>>>>         He is known to many as the discoverer of the Cavity
>>>>         Structures Effect (CSE). But very few people are familiar
>>>>         with his other discovery, the one that also borrows from
>>>>         Nature and its innermost secrets. He has discovered
>>>>         antigravitational effects of the chitin shell of certain
>>>>         insects back in 1988 but, the most impressive concomitant
>>>>         phenomenon he has discovered at the same time was that of
>>>>         complete or partial invisibility and/or of distorted
>>>>         perception of material objects entering the zone of
>>>>         compensated gravity. Based on this discovery, Victor
>>>>         Grebennikov used bionic principles to design and build an
>>>>         anti-gravitational platform for hovering flights at the
>>>>         speeds of up to 25 km/min. Since 1991-92 he has used this
>>>>         device for his own fast transportation.
>>>>
>>>>         "Zone of compensated gravity"????
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>         On 3/28/2017 7:24 PM, John Berry [email protected]
>>>>         <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>>         Ok, I'll keep each account down to it's bare bone details.
>>>>>         It is of course worth noting that none of this stuff has
>>>>>         stellar evidence, you either believe the account or you
>>>>>         don't, it is only in the consistency that a real degree of
>>>>>         credibility arises.
>>>>>
>>>>>         Big generator, suddenly unloaded. A report I heard from a
>>>>>         guy who heard it from a guy, in a power station a
>>>>>         generator, I want to say it was a Westinghouse, when it
>>>>>         was pulled offline suddenly (but it's still generating) it
>>>>>         began to shimmer and disappear, apparently it had been
>>>>>         seen before but it wasn't talked about.
>>>>>
>>>>>         An account on Keelynet, hmmm, I just realized I included
>>>>>         this one under accounts of invisibility of iron, but it
>>>>>         was iron that made non-iron this disappear anyway this guy
>>>>>         who "Knew what he was doing" stole 5 large transformers,
>>>>>         put them in a circle, put a goat and other things to test
>>>>>         it out, they disappeared, then he got in the circle and
>>>>>         disappeared.
>>>>>
>>>>>         Ok, this one now I think about it is also "different", an
>>>>>         account that I heard in connection to another account
>>>>>         actually, but it involved a guy who on trying to conduct
>>>>>         electricity through a gel with iron particles found
>>>>>         himself displaced in time or something, I think it was
>>>>>         mentioned in connection with another account I didn't
>>>>>         include in my count of a "Joe Cell" like device (Proton
>>>>>         Cell) that was powerd by an inusual generator and possible
>>>>>         a spark gap, and this cell made for some displacements in
>>>>>         time also.
>>>>>
>>>>>         I now forget the guys name, but on the Art Bell radio
>>>>>         show, a guy rang in and rang back a few times I think (not
>>>>>         sure I listened first hand to much of it), he wound a high
>>>>>         voltage transformer like an NST, and when he threw (I
>>>>>         assume steel) screws near the HV arc they would vanish.
>>>>>         Screws have a right handed helix, so that should attract
>>>>>         the electron type energy. The transformer he specified was
>>>>>         "scramble wound" not neatly wound, i have found such
>>>>>         winding's especially if the degree of chaos varies (starts
>>>>>         neat, gets messy) to create a lot of aetheric energy, and
>>>>>         they can pull energy in too, perhaps from the spark gap
>>>>>         creating a feedback cycle of aetheric energy.
>>>>>
>>>>>         William Beaty's weird science site has had feedback from
>>>>>         people who have got weird results from experiments, one
>>>>>         tells about a guy took some amplifier or something, hooked
>>>>>         it up to a steel loop (the kind that would come with
>>>>>         rabbit ears something, with 90 degree bends leading into
>>>>>         and out of the loop (which I have found to be a powerful
>>>>>         aetheric effect if the 2 sides are imbalanced somehow),
>>>>>         into which he dangled a paper clip on cotton, the paper
>>>>>         clip vanished and when he reversed the connection to the
>>>>>         loop it re-appeared. In might have been enveloped in a
>>>>>         blue glow?  (if you look you will find the account)
>>>>>
>>>>>         I had a friend in Canada, I think he said that he
>>>>>         witnessed this, or maybe it happened to his friends, they
>>>>>         took a steel coat hanger and shorted out a car battery, it
>>>>>         turned red, then white, then started to shimmer and vanish.
>>>>>
>>>>>         You know Rex Research, well there was another group in New
>>>>>         Zealand (maybe it was Australia) called Lost Tech Archives
>>>>>         IIRC, I never bought any of their stuff (this was back
>>>>>         before Rex Research put stuff online for free) as I had
>>>>>         opted out of paying any money for more info but some stuff
>>>>>         I got for free, or was it the catalog?  Or a free first
>>>>>         copy?  Well one of the things was a newspaper clipping of
>>>>>         a guy who way way back, I'm going to guess the 50's at the
>>>>>         earliest, who had a suit with steel coils that made him
>>>>>         invisible. Another thing they also had was a guy who made
>>>>>         a vacuum tube device that created rays that caused things
>>>>>         to lose weight.
>>>>>
>>>>>         In Gerry Vassalito's 2 books on Tesla and cold wars
>>>>>         secrets, he talk about how arc welders would find steel
>>>>>         tools vanish, and finally they realized that emissions
>>>>>         from the arcs were doing this. This was probably peculiar
>>>>>         to the technology used in the day.  As William Lyne points
>>>>>         out in his again, 2 books, welding with Hydrogen used to
>>>>>         be a thing and it was very overunity. While I guess this
>>>>>         was not that, such "features" tend to get removed over
>>>>>         time.  But there is an account of a guy welding a Pyramid
>>>>>         and hit levitated.
>>>>>
>>>>>         There are accounts of the steel components in the
>>>>>         Pharnsworth Fusor sometimes turning transparent or
>>>>>         becoming invisible.
>>>>>
>>>>>         There are accounts of steel components in more regular
>>>>>         vacuum tubes sometimes becoming invisible (still working,
>>>>>         so they were still there).
>>>>>
>>>>>         There is an account of a transformer made with steel tube,
>>>>>         not laminate, that was made in the form of a bike so that
>>>>>         it could be ridden, it would cause the transformer and the
>>>>>         rider (or just the rider?) to begin to vanish and to come
>>>>>         back babbling about what he saw. There is also an account
>>>>>         from Davis and Rawls of treating the Pineal with a magnet,
>>>>>         but this is assumed to have only resulted in seeing things
>>>>>         dissolve in a "3rd eye" kind of way.
>>>>>
>>>>>         Finally, there is an account that I have a document on
>>>>>         somewhere, a guy made a device, he used copper wire from
>>>>>         an old telephone transmission transformer (I have no idea
>>>>>         if there is such a thing, but that's what I recall), he
>>>>>         had 3 steel cores which he wound bucking electromagnetic
>>>>>         poles on, I think he energized them in a circular manner
>>>>>         so as to create a rotating field, but I'm not sure, but he
>>>>>         did have the frequency increase gradually as it ran, at
>>>>>         some point objects put in the center would disappear, he
>>>>>         could make them reappear also.  I think the document might
>>>>>         have had a shot at what frequency might have been used.
>>>>>
>>>>>         So, we have multiple accounts then suggesting that there
>>>>>         are a lot of ways that steel can be treated that makes it
>>>>>         eventually "wig out' and disappear, sometimes coming back,
>>>>>         sometimes not seemingly the object remains in the same
>>>>>         space and can be returned by reversing the process, in
>>>>>         other case not powering it anymore seems enough (probably
>>>>>         in cases where the item is connected to circuitry that has
>>>>>         not vanished, grounding the energy).
>>>>>
>>>>>         Oh, it's not iron, but there is also an account of paper
>>>>>         thin gold becoming transparent when heated, both this and
>>>>>         the "regular vacuum tube" account above were mentioned by
>>>>>         someone on BBill eaty's Vortex discussion list.
>>>>>
>>>>>         Oh, and as for the space warping one, that is a claim by
>>>>>         Stan Deyo, he had an iron ring which he created multi axis
>>>>>         rotating iron atoms (hmmm, does that sound like it could
>>>>>         describe a helix?) by pulsing 3 coils on different axis at
>>>>>         a special frequency at a special phase relationship, this
>>>>>         caused space to bend in toward the device for a moment at
>>>>>         which point it would do nothing else, not that device and
>>>>>         even a newly built device in that spot would not work, as
>>>>>         if the device was now "full" and had sucked the relevant
>>>>>         energy from the space around it. But a new one in a new
>>>>>         spot would agian work once apparently.
>>>>>
>>>>>         So the note I made to myself based on all of this is that
>>>>>         the iron can be energized a number of ways.
>>>>>
>>>>>         The effects I notices were:
>>>>>
>>>>>         Spark gap discharge <This featured prominently, the vacuum
>>>>>         tube is also a similar kind of "current across a gap", I
>>>>>         guess to strech a point the gap in the outer ring of the
>>>>>         paperclip vanishing device could also count.
>>>>>
>>>>>         Current through the iron, let me see, if the output coils
>>>>>         are not loaded suddenly, then the core losses increase (as
>>>>>         the magnetic field is unopposed by the generator coils)
>>>>>         which includes induction of currrent, so this could apply
>>>>>         to the first one, perhaps the second one as some
>>>>>         transformers are made to only work loaded and unloaded
>>>>>         will draw too much current, conducting current through
>>>>>         iron particles in a gel, Yup. Also that would go for the
>>>>>         "extra" account about similar effects from the Joe/Proton
>>>>>         cell.  It might apply to the home-made HV transformer, no
>>>>>         idea what kind of core he used.or if he had enough primary
>>>>>         turns to keep it from drawing too much current thereby
>>>>>         inducing excess inductive losses.  Paper clip account,
>>>>>         Yup, current through loop. My old (actually young at the
>>>>>         time) friend in Canada, YUP!  Lost Tech Archives paper
>>>>>         clipping of a jacket made with steel coils which, yes,
>>>>>         were electrified, so YUP! Pharnsworth Fusor?  Maybe a
>>>>>         little as it was electrified to a high voltage and that
>>>>>         was lost to the gas in ionization,  Regular Vacuum Tubes?
>>>>>         Probably. Steel Tube ride-on Transformer? You bet! Rising
>>>>>         freq. device with bucking electromagnets? Possibly.  As
>>>>>         for the the account from Gerry Vassilitos, while current
>>>>>         is assumed not to be passing through the steel objects
>>>>>         that vanished, it would have been likely passing through
>>>>>         the things being welded, so probably Yes!
>>>>>
>>>>>         Voltage: Probably not required, only ones with propperly
>>>>>         HV is Pharnsworth and the HV transformer.
>>>>>
>>>>>         Saturation: Possible in a number of the cases, but not
>>>>>         all, not by a long way.
>>>>>
>>>>>         Physical stress: Maybe in some, but not a major component.
>>>>>
>>>>>         Hysteresis: I think this could be a big help but it's not
>>>>>         present in anything but the more transformer/generator
>>>>>         type examples
>>>>>
>>>>>         High frequency??? In only a few of the cases.
>>>>>
>>>>>         If Norm's Buzzer is just a steel rod as I understand it to
>>>>>         be, it too would have had this "induction in the core"
>>>>>         going on!
>>>>>         Both eddy currents and Hysteresis and it's directly
>>>>>         electrically connected and has a "spark gap" or sorts
>>>>>         (mechanical switches do spark :)  ).
>>>>>
>>>>>         But I think that overall, the arc welding and the HV
>>>>>         transformer with screws thrown at it and the several with
>>>>>         circles of steel and things vanishing in the middle point
>>>>>         to the effect being aetheric, the steel is just good at
>>>>>         containing the aetheric energy, and when it is contained
>>>>>         then things "done" to the steel tend to convert that
>>>>>         energy, weather it is mechanical stress such as a buzzer
>>>>>         or hysteresis or ohmic resistance into more aetheric
>>>>>         energy to the point, a runaway feedback effect. Merely
>>>>>         having losses in iron probably won't do anything if the
>>>>>         aether is not already involved.
>>>>>
>>>>>         John
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>         John Berry
>>>>>
>>>>>         On Wed, Mar 29, 2017 at 11:51 AM, Mick [email protected]
>>>>>         <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY]
>>>>>         <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
>>>>>         wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>             John,
>>>>>
>>>>>             I am very interested in dimensional shifts and their
>>>>>             causes. Anything you might provide based on these
>>>>>             cases you mention would be compelling.
>>>>>
>>>>>             Thanks,
>>>>>             Mick
>>>>>
>>>>>             On 3/28/2017 2:39 PM, John Berry
>>>>>             [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
>>>>>             [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>>>             I wish you had not brought up the subject of pure
>>>>>>             Iron, I just looked into it and it is EXPENSIVE well
>>>>>>             I don't know what that powder costs, but a single
>>>>>>              10cm 2mm dia iron rod is a couple hundred bucks if
>>>>>>             you want pure.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>             Anything cheap has no purity figures, well could be
>>>>>>             anything.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>             Of course while pure iron might be better, the
>>>>>>             evidence for iron being awesome points to it not
>>>>>>             needing to be pure.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>             Looking at all the evidence I have for iron, I think
>>>>>>             that the number of ways it can be used are numerous,
>>>>>>             just considering invisibility, in some accounts it is
>>>>>>             near a spark gap, in other accounts current runs
>>>>>>             through it, in some accounts there are saturating
>>>>>>             magnetic fields but in other accounts there aren't.
>>>>>>             In some accounts there is HV, in other accounts there
>>>>>>             is not, but all the accounts I am thinking of the
>>>>>>             iron got so charged with energy it began to vanish.
>>>>>>             I can think of at least 10 such accounts, and a 11th
>>>>>>             where is seemed to warp space instead of vanish!
>>>>>>             And that's without counting the Philadelphia
>>>>>>             experiment which is meant to have vanished because of
>>>>>>             the iron in the ship.
>>>>>>             And that's not counting another where steel was used
>>>>>>             to make things vanish but it wasn't the steel that
>>>>>>             vanished, but that should probably be counted also.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>             If you want I can go over the claims in each case,
>>>>>>             but that's a lot of evidence that Iron can do some
>>>>>>             interesting things!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>             So while there might be ways to get the iron to
>>>>>>             produce energy, I think the key is that much as with
>>>>>>             the locked rotor and MRA tests, energy (aetheric) can
>>>>>>             be built up to a very high level in iron no matter
>>>>>>             where it comes from.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>             And if this energy is expelled all at once, look out!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>             Incidentally I found a form that is very effective at
>>>>>>             keeping energy in, condensing.  I don't know if this
>>>>>>             suits the iron subject, but it might.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>             Inline image 1
>>>>>>
>>>>>>             This was arrived at by experimentation and I'm not
>>>>>>             sure if I have an explanation it would do full justice.
>>>>>>             Again if you are willing to try and do something as
>>>>>>             out there as feel energy from a screen, this is a
>>>>>>             good one to try.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>             John
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>             John Berry
>>>>>>
>>>>>>             On Wed, Mar 29, 2017 at 3:51 AM,
>>>>>>             [email protected]
>>>>>>             <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY]
>>>>>>             <[email protected]
>>>>>>             <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>                 one word (Gravity)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>                 every particle is a transform engine ...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>                 (H)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
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> On 3/31/2017 7:40 PM, Norman Wootan wrote:
>>
>>
>> On 3/31/2017 7:39 PM, Norman Wootan wrote:
>>>
>>> The answer is in the vortices that are generated   As in tornadoes, 
>>> ionization occurs at micro level!   Schauberger's Repulsine device 
>>> worked this way and produced AG effect!
>>>
>>>
>>> On 3/31/2017 7:18 PM, John Berry [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>> So someone had reason to think that it was a beetle that was the 
>>>> mystery insect and this is a close up of a structure that is 
>>>> uncovered and changes angle during flight:
>>>> Inline image 1
>>>> I am not sure who found this and I forget the supporting details, 
>>>> but there is a good reason to think that's it, but now I am going 
>>>> to try and explain how and why it works.
>>>> So we could sum this up as a bunch of cones shooting energy through 
>>>> circular holes.
>>>>
>>>> Ok, now I want to take what will seem like a funny unconnected turn 
>>>> and point out the work of James Cornwell:
>>>> http://rexresearch.com/cornwell/cornwell.htm
>>>>
>>>> So he made a device that seems to disrupt electronics to a point 
>>>> that seem mysterious and the radiation passes through Faraday 
>>>> cages, so this is aetheric energy, we could say "radiant energy:.
>>>>
>>>> If we look at the design of his device, he uses a magnetron that is 
>>>> powered in an unbalanced manner (I would expect that to output 
>>>> aetheric energy), and then this radiation passed through 
>>>> transparent electropositive and electronegitive transparent 
>>>> windows.   What I have found from my own research is that is what I 
>>>> term "neutral" aether energy passes through a transparent charged 
>>>> film, it is changed by that.
>>>> Tesla made a radiant energy receiver which was a large plate 
>>>> covered in a special transparent coating.
>>>>
>>>> The wire in Edwin's tube are coated in Teflon which is the most 
>>>> strongly known electronegative material.
>>>> I also want to point out this: 
>>>> http://amasci.com/weird/unusual/e-wall.html  <A transparent force 
>>>> wall from highly charged moving cling film.
>>>>
>>>> So we want to send energy through a transparent material, but is 
>>>> there another way?
>>>>
>>>> Well it turns out you can make a window with aetheric energy, this 
>>>> can be done in either a cylinder, or a plane, if a cylinder and 
>>>> there is an aether vortex going on, the "ghost" of that cylinder 
>>>> rotates such that there is "energy" from the solid parts of the 
>>>> cylinder where the windows are.
>>>> With a plane (flat surface not the 'aero type'), an aetheric 
>>>> radiation that occurs in the plane and focuses in the center.
>>>>
>>>> So, where is this window method used?
>>>>
>>>> Paul Baumann and Edwin Gray both used holes in cylinders and plates 
>>>> for this reason I believe, they condition energies that are emitted 
>>>> through the windows.
>>>>
>>>> But this is where we run into another group of devices.
>>>>
>>>> So there was this guy in this field who went by the handle DMBoss, 
>>>> he experimented with a discovery that others have researched which 
>>>> is an energy beam that occurs with magnets placed on tubes of noble 
>>>> gas, anyway he also did other experiments and while I forget all 
>>>> the details of the experiment, this one experiment he told me 
>>>> about, he had a large pancake coil with a hole in the middle and it 
>>>> was suspended, at some point with no conventional cause it just 
>>>> suddenly started swinging.   It was a one off as such, but I will 
>>>> now explore several similar things!
>>>>
>>>> Next is Jeff Cook, he make a coil that while not quite a pancake as 
>>>> it is long as well as wide the effect still occurs, it also has the 
>>>> kind of asymmetry that effects the aether, this was given an 
>>>> impulse of power that could apparently bend flames, and when Tim 
>>>> Ventura of the site "American Antigravity" tested it, this thing 
>>>> sent out a beam that killed the piezo starters in a distant gas 
>>>> cook top.  Basically gravity like impulses occurred.
>>>>
>>>> Next, is Ronald Stiffler who made a device that created an impulse 
>>>> that moved bits of paper and might have bent a laser beam a bit, it 
>>>> consisted of one large and one smaller iron toroid wrapped in a 
>>>> copper coil. Again there is asymmetry and the larger fatter toroid 
>>>> is again very thick.
>>>>
>>>> Next is Morton L. Morton, he made a series of experiment where a 
>>>> Van de Graff is induced somehow to discharge through a glass tube 
>>>> to a large aluminium plate with a hole in the center, this caused 
>>>> the emission of a repulsive or attractive force depending on finer 
>>>> details.
>>>>
>>>> Next is Podkletnov who after his spinning superconductor success 
>>>> did a seriously suped up version of the Morton experiment, his 
>>>> impulses were incomparably stronger, the details are more exotic 
>>>> but the structure is similar to a combo of Morton, Stiffler and 
>>>> Jeff Cook's device.
>>>>
>>>> Next is Howard Menger, I will describe a hybrid device that is a 
>>>> combo of his early experiment and his later experiment for 
>>>> simplicity, take a large circular aluminium disk with a hole in the 
>>>> center, put a carbon rod wrapped with a copper coil around the rod, 
>>>> apply a pulse from a battery (a modest 1.5v cell from a flash 
>>>> light).  This resulted in a huge thrusting up of the aluminium 
>>>> plate that broke through his ceiling.
>>>> He actually could not fully replicate his early success without 
>>>> making a seriously more built up version which involved more coils 
>>>> and more power, but he was apparently able to replicate the results 
>>>> to create an antigravity craft.
>>>>
>>>> Next, we will change thing a bit and look at the "capwarp": 
>>>> http://amasci.com/caps/capwarp.html
>>>> This device creates a thrust, it was replicated successfully by 2-3 
>>>> people, one using the pages of a book as the dielectric and pasting 
>>>> tin coil circles and connecting strips on the pages.  Each layer 
>>>> again influences the space through the center, flow through the 
>>>> center happens due to both a rotational effect that occurs and 
>>>> possible having a positive on one end and negative on the other.
>>>>
>>>> Next is Doyle, this was in the Rex Research paper infolios but not 
>>>> online I don't think, it was a large circular capacitor that lost 
>>>> weight, no matter if the positive or negative was up.  it was just 
>>>> a science fare project. He used Styrofoam as the dielectric.
>>>>
>>>> Ok, so now have you watched the "fluxliner" documentary?  If not I 
>>>> HIGHLY recommend it!
>>>> The construction there and this is an "Alien Reproduction Vehicle" 
>>>> is a large capacitor the size of the saucer craft, the capacitor is 
>>>> in segments like the cap warp with a hole in the middle, it also 
>>>> has a coil the energy also goes through.  Glass dielectric.
>>>>
>>>> The guy who made the documentary was assassinated, but in another 
>>>> version some report to have seen an extra detail given, about a guy 
>>>> in university who made a circular HV capacitor with glass 
>>>> dielectric, it lost all weight.
>>>>
>>>> I myself can vouch that this segmented approach is powerful.
>>>>
>>>> If we look at moving through the center of such a capacitor, we 
>>>> would see a series of positive and negative planes (plates), 
>>>> alternating positive negative.   Much like Cornwell's transparent 
>>>> windows!
>>>> In addition while a plane creates a much stronger energy that just 
>>>> a ring, Hamel and Searl and even Otis T. Car would qualify, Searl 
>>>> has 3 concentric rings in the same plane, and Hamel as 2 concentric 
>>>> rings but stacked 3 in series and another large ring magnet below that.
>>>>
>>>> To some extent all you need is a circle (a loop), it's just that 
>>>> the more you have the more extreme the "window".
>>>>
>>>> The biggest question is how the different types of "window" change 
>>>> the effects of the energy that goes through, a capacitor and a coil 
>>>> or a neutral object are all very different and likely relate to 
>>>> different effects on the energy that goes through the window.
>>>>
>>>> Also my theory is that the window is about picking  up energies or 
>>>> qualities, but it is possible that it is about filtering out 
>>>> energies or qualities, or about changing energies of what moves 
>>>> through it.
>>>>
>>>> But I think this is the basis of the bugs secret, and a powerful 
>>>> secret of aetheric energy, this allows energy to be variously 
>>>> conditioned.
>>>>
>>>> John
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> John Berry
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Apr 1, 2017 at 11:09 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] 
>>>> <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] <[email protected] 
>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>     John! I would love to read your ideas and theory and will also
>>>>     share my ideas as to how "flight" actually works.  I'm 79 now
>>>>     and have been at this since my childhood since I grew up around
>>>>     aircraft.  My Dad had two and I would wash airplanes just for a
>>>>     ride. (Late 40s).    Norm
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>     On 3/31/2017 2:43 PM, John Berry [email protected]
>>>>     <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>>     Norm, yes I know.
>>>>>
>>>>>     And I think I know what was going on with the insects, I think
>>>>>     I might know the shape and how it worked.
>>>>>
>>>>>     I can write it up, but I just need to know you want to read
>>>>>     it,  It might be a little long, it makes a decent case.
>>>>>
>>>>>     John
>>>>>
>>>>>     John Berry
>>>>>
>>>>>     On Sat, Apr 1, 2017 at 2:40 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected]
>>>>>     <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] <[email protected]
>>>>>     <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>         John! regarding the "shimmer/invisibility", see this: 
>>>>>         Viktor Stepanovich Grebennikov --- naturalist and a
>>>>>         professional entomologist. He is also an artist and an
>>>>>         intellectual with a wide range of interests and pursuits.
>>>>>         He is known to many as the discoverer of the Cavity
>>>>>         Structures Effect (CSE). But very few people are familiar
>>>>>         with his other discovery, the one that also borrows from
>>>>>         Nature and its innermost secrets. He has discovered
>>>>>         antigravitational effects of the chitin shell of certain
>>>>>         insects back in 1988 but, the most impressive concomitant
>>>>>         phenomenon he has discovered at the same time was that of
>>>>>         complete or partial invisibility and/or of distorted
>>>>>         perception of material objects entering the zone of
>>>>>         compensated gravity. Based on this discovery, Victor
>>>>>         Grebennikov used bionic principles to design and build an
>>>>>         anti-gravitational platform for hovering flights at the
>>>>>         speeds of up to 25 km/min. Since 1991-92 he has used this
>>>>>         device for his own fast transportation.
>>>>>
>>>>>         "Zone of compensated gravity"????
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>         On 3/28/2017 7:24 PM, John Berry [email protected]
>>>>>         <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>>>         Ok, I'll keep each account down to it's bare bone
>>>>>>         details. It is of course worth noting that none of this
>>>>>>         stuff has stellar evidence, you either believe the
>>>>>>         account or you don't, it is only in the consistency that
>>>>>>         a real degree of credibility arises.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>         Big generator, suddenly unloaded. A report I heard from a
>>>>>>         guy who heard it from a guy, in a power station a
>>>>>>         generator, I want to say it was a Westinghouse, when it
>>>>>>         was pulled offline suddenly (but it's still generating)
>>>>>>         it began to shimmer and disappear, apparently it had been
>>>>>>         seen before but it wasn't talked about.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>         An account on Keelynet, hmmm, I just realized I included
>>>>>>         this one under accounts of invisibility of iron, but it
>>>>>>         was iron that made non-iron this disappear anyway this
>>>>>>         guy who "Knew what he was doing" stole 5 large
>>>>>>         transformers, put them in a circle, put a goat and other
>>>>>>         things to test it out, they disappeared, then he got in
>>>>>>         the circle and disappeared.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>         Ok, this one now I think about it is also "different", an
>>>>>>         account that I heard in connection to another account
>>>>>>         actually, but it involved a guy who on trying to conduct
>>>>>>         electricity through a gel with iron particles found
>>>>>>         himself displaced in time or something, I think it was
>>>>>>         mentioned in connection with another account I didn't
>>>>>>         include in my count of a "Joe Cell" like device (Proton
>>>>>>         Cell) that was powerd by an inusual generator and
>>>>>>         possible a spark gap, and this cell made for some
>>>>>>         displacements in time also.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>         I now forget the guys name, but on the Art Bell radio
>>>>>>         show, a guy rang in and rang back a few times I think
>>>>>>         (not sure I listened first hand to much of it), he wound
>>>>>>         a high voltage transformer like an NST, and when he threw
>>>>>>         (I assume steel) screws near the HV arc they would
>>>>>>         vanish. Screws have a right handed helix, so that should
>>>>>>         attract the electron type energy. The transformer he
>>>>>>         specified was "scramble wound" not neatly wound, i have
>>>>>>         found such winding's especially if the degree of chaos
>>>>>>         varies (starts neat, gets messy) to create a lot of
>>>>>>         aetheric energy, and they can pull energy in too, perhaps
>>>>>>         from the spark gap creating a feedback cycle of aetheric
>>>>>>         energy.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>         William Beaty's weird science site has had feedback from
>>>>>>         people who have got weird results from experiments, one
>>>>>>         tells about a guy took some amplifier or something,
>>>>>>         hooked it up to a steel loop (the kind that would come
>>>>>>         with rabbit ears something, with 90 degree bends leading
>>>>>>         into and out of the loop (which I have found to be a
>>>>>>         powerful aetheric effect if the 2 sides are imbalanced
>>>>>>         somehow), into which he dangled a paper clip on cotton,
>>>>>>         the paper clip vanished and when he reversed the
>>>>>>         connection to the loop it re-appeared. In might have been
>>>>>>         enveloped in a blue glow?  (if you look you will find the
>>>>>>         account)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>         I had a friend in Canada, I think he said that he
>>>>>>         witnessed this, or maybe it happened to his friends, they
>>>>>>         took a steel coat hanger and shorted out a car battery,
>>>>>>         it turned red, then white, then started to shimmer and
>>>>>>         vanish.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>         You know Rex Research, well there was another group in
>>>>>>         New Zealand (maybe it was Australia) called Lost Tech
>>>>>>         Archives IIRC, I never bought any of their stuff (this
>>>>>>         was back before Rex Research put stuff online for free)
>>>>>>         as I had opted out of paying any money for more info but
>>>>>>         some stuff I got for free, or was it the catalog?  Or a
>>>>>>         free first copy?  Well one of the things was a newspaper
>>>>>>         clipping of a guy who way way back, I'm going to guess
>>>>>>         the 50's at the earliest, who had a suit with steel coils
>>>>>>         that made him invisible. Another thing they also had was
>>>>>>         a guy who made a vacuum tube device that created rays
>>>>>>         that caused things to lose weight.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>         In Gerry Vassalito's 2 books on Tesla and cold wars
>>>>>>         secrets, he talk about how arc welders would find steel
>>>>>>         tools vanish, and finally they realized that emissions
>>>>>>         from the arcs were doing this. This was probably peculiar
>>>>>>         to the technology used in the day.  As William Lyne
>>>>>>         points out in his again, 2 books, welding with Hydrogen
>>>>>>         used to be a thing and it was very overunity. While I
>>>>>>         guess this was not that, such "features" tend to get
>>>>>>         removed over time.  But there is an account of a guy
>>>>>>         welding a Pyramid and hit levitated.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>         There are accounts of the steel components in the
>>>>>>         Pharnsworth Fusor sometimes turning transparent or
>>>>>>         becoming invisible.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>         There are accounts of steel components in more regular
>>>>>>         vacuum tubes sometimes becoming invisible (still working,
>>>>>>         so they were still there).
>>>>>>
>>>>>>         There is an account of a transformer made with steel
>>>>>>         tube, not laminate, that was made in the form of a bike
>>>>>>         so that it could be ridden, it would cause the
>>>>>>         transformer and the rider (or just the rider?) to begin
>>>>>>         to vanish and to come back babbling about what he saw.
>>>>>>         There is also an account from Davis and Rawls of treating
>>>>>>         the Pineal with a magnet, but this is assumed to have
>>>>>>         only resulted in seeing things dissolve in a "3rd eye"
>>>>>>         kind of way.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>         Finally, there is an account that I have a document on
>>>>>>         somewhere, a guy made a device, he used copper wire from
>>>>>>         an old telephone transmission transformer (I have no idea
>>>>>>         if there is such a thing, but that's what I recall), he
>>>>>>         had 3 steel cores which he wound bucking electromagnetic
>>>>>>         poles on, I think he energized them in a circular manner
>>>>>>         so as to create a rotating field, but I'm not sure, but
>>>>>>         he did have the frequency increase gradually as it ran,
>>>>>>         at some point objects put in the center would disappear,
>>>>>>         he could make them reappear also.  I think the document
>>>>>>         might have had a shot at what frequency might have been used.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>         So, we have multiple accounts then suggesting that there
>>>>>>         are a lot of ways that steel can be treated that makes it
>>>>>>         eventually "wig out' and disappear, sometimes coming
>>>>>>         back, sometimes not seemingly the object remains in the
>>>>>>         same space and can be returned by reversing the process,
>>>>>>         in other case not powering it anymore seems enough
>>>>>>         (probably in cases where the item is connected to
>>>>>>         circuitry that has not vanished, grounding the energy).
>>>>>>
>>>>>>         Oh, it's not iron, but there is also an account of paper
>>>>>>         thin gold becoming transparent when heated, both this and
>>>>>>         the "regular vacuum tube" account above were mentioned by
>>>>>>         someone on BBill eaty's Vortex discussion list.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>         Oh, and as for the space warping one, that is a claim by
>>>>>>         Stan Deyo, he had an iron ring which he created multi
>>>>>>         axis rotating iron atoms (hmmm, does that sound like it
>>>>>>         could describe a helix?) by pulsing 3 coils on different
>>>>>>         axis at a special frequency at a special phase
>>>>>>         relationship, this caused space to bend in toward the
>>>>>>         device for a moment at which point it would do nothing
>>>>>>         else, not that device and even a newly built device in
>>>>>>         that spot would not work, as if the device was now "full"
>>>>>>         and had sucked the relevant energy from the space around
>>>>>>         it. But a new one in a new spot would agian work once
>>>>>>         apparently.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>         So the note I made to myself based on all of this is that
>>>>>>         the iron can be energized a number of ways.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>         The effects I notices were:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>         Spark gap discharge <This featured prominently, the
>>>>>>         vacuum tube is also a similar kind of "current across a
>>>>>>         gap", I guess to strech a point the gap in the outer ring
>>>>>>         of the paperclip vanishing device could also count.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>         Current through the iron, let me see, if the output coils
>>>>>>         are not loaded suddenly, then the core losses increase
>>>>>>         (as the magnetic field is unopposed by the generator
>>>>>>         coils) which includes induction of currrent, so this
>>>>>>         could apply to the first one, perhaps the second one as
>>>>>>         some transformers are made to only work loaded and
>>>>>>         unloaded will draw too much current, conducting current
>>>>>>         through iron particles in a gel, Yup. Also that would go
>>>>>>         for the "extra" account about similar effects from the
>>>>>>         Joe/Proton cell.  It might apply to the home-made HV
>>>>>>         transformer, no idea what kind of core he used.or if he
>>>>>>         had enough primary turns to keep it from drawing too much
>>>>>>         current thereby inducing excess inductive losses.  Paper
>>>>>>         clip account, Yup, current through loop. My old (actually
>>>>>>         young at the time) friend in Canada, YUP!  Lost Tech
>>>>>>         Archives paper clipping of a jacket made with steel coils
>>>>>>         which, yes, were electrified, so YUP! Pharnsworth Fusor? 
>>>>>>         Maybe a little as it was electrified to a high voltage
>>>>>>         and that was lost to the gas in ionization,  Regular
>>>>>>         Vacuum Tubes? Probably. Steel Tube ride-on Transformer?
>>>>>>         You bet! Rising freq. device with bucking electromagnets?
>>>>>>         Possibly.  As for the the account from Gerry Vassilitos,
>>>>>>         while current is assumed not to be passing through the
>>>>>>         steel objects that vanished, it would have been likely
>>>>>>         passing through the things being welded, so probably Yes!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>         Voltage: Probably not required, only ones with propperly
>>>>>>         HV is Pharnsworth and the HV transformer.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>         Saturation: Possible in a number of the cases, but not
>>>>>>         all, not by a long way.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>         Physical stress: Maybe in some, but not a major component.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>         Hysteresis: I think this could be a big help but it's not
>>>>>>         present in anything but the more transformer/generator
>>>>>>         type examples
>>>>>>
>>>>>>         High frequency??? In only a few of the cases.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>         If Norm's Buzzer is just a steel rod as I understand it
>>>>>>         to be, it too would have had this "induction in the core"
>>>>>>         going on!
>>>>>>         Both eddy currents and Hysteresis and it's directly
>>>>>>         electrically connected and has a "spark gap" or sorts
>>>>>>         (mechanical switches do spark :)  ).
>>>>>>
>>>>>>         But I think that overall, the arc welding and the HV
>>>>>>         transformer with screws thrown at it and the several with
>>>>>>         circles of steel and things vanishing in the middle point
>>>>>>         to the effect being aetheric, the steel is just good at
>>>>>>         containing the aetheric energy, and when it is contained
>>>>>>         then things "done" to the steel tend to convert that
>>>>>>         energy, weather it is mechanical stress such as a buzzer
>>>>>>         or hysteresis or ohmic resistance into more aetheric
>>>>>>         energy to the point, a runaway feedback effect. Merely
>>>>>>         having losses in iron probably won't do anything if the
>>>>>>         aether is not already involved.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>         John
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>         John Berry
>>>>>>
>>>>>>         On Wed, Mar 29, 2017 at 11:51 AM, Mick [email protected]
>>>>>>         <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY]
>>>>>>         <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
>>>>>>         wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>             John,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>             I am very interested in dimensional shifts and their
>>>>>>             causes. Anything you might provide based on these
>>>>>>             cases you mention would be compelling.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>             Thanks,
>>>>>>             Mick
>>>>>>
>>>>>>             On 3/28/2017 2:39 PM, John Berry
>>>>>>             [email protected]
>>>>>>             <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>>>>             I wish you had not brought up the subject of pure
>>>>>>>             Iron, I just looked into it and it is EXPENSIVE well
>>>>>>>             I don't know what that powder costs, but a single
>>>>>>>              10cm 2mm dia iron rod is a couple hundred bucks if
>>>>>>>             you want pure.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>             Anything cheap has no purity figures, well could be
>>>>>>>             anything.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>             Of course while pure iron might be better, the
>>>>>>>             evidence for iron being awesome points to it not
>>>>>>>             needing to be pure.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>             Looking at all the evidence I have for iron, I think
>>>>>>>             that the number of ways it can be used are numerous,
>>>>>>>             just considering invisibility, in some accounts it
>>>>>>>             is near a spark gap, in other accounts current runs
>>>>>>>             through it, in some accounts there are saturating
>>>>>>>             magnetic fields but in other accounts there aren't.
>>>>>>>             In some accounts there is HV, in other accounts
>>>>>>>             there is not, but all the accounts I am thinking of
>>>>>>>             the iron got so charged with energy it began to vanish.
>>>>>>>             I can think of at least 10 such accounts, and a 11th
>>>>>>>             where is seemed to warp space instead of vanish!
>>>>>>>             And that's without counting the Philadelphia
>>>>>>>             experiment which is meant to have vanished because
>>>>>>>             of the iron in the ship.
>>>>>>>             And that's not counting another where steel was used
>>>>>>>             to make things vanish but it wasn't the steel that
>>>>>>>             vanished, but that should probably be counted also.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>             If you want I can go over the claims in each case,
>>>>>>>             but that's a lot of evidence that Iron can do some
>>>>>>>             interesting things!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>             So while there might be ways to get the iron to
>>>>>>>             produce energy, I think the key is that much as with
>>>>>>>             the locked rotor and MRA tests, energy (aetheric)
>>>>>>>             can be built up to a very high level in iron no
>>>>>>>             matter where it comes from.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>             And if this energy is expelled all at once, look out!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>             Incidentally I found a form that is very effective
>>>>>>>             at keeping energy in, condensing.  I don't know if
>>>>>>>             this suits the iron subject, but it might.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>             Inline image 1
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>             This was arrived at by experimentation and I'm not
>>>>>>>             sure if I have an explanation it would do full justice.
>>>>>>>             Again if you are willing to try and do something as
>>>>>>>             out there as feel energy from a screen, this is a
>>>>>>>             good one to try.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>             John
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>             John Berry
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>             On Wed, Mar 29, 2017 at 3:51 AM,
>>>>>>>             [email protected]
>>>>>>>             <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY]
>>>>>>>             <[email protected]
>>>>>>>             <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>                 one word (Gravity)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>                 every particle is a transform engine ...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>                 (H)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
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"Just looking back"!  Since I was born in 1938, I can look back and 
remember some big old motors and generators that were manufactured 
before laminated steel was used!. These motors were big solid soft iron 
components. Everyone will agree that the steel laminations were used to 
"reduce eddy losses" which is my "point".   I believe that "eddy" 
currents or losses are in reality eddy flows of aetheric energy just as 
the "eddy" flows of charged air around tornadoes that induce the 
"antigravity" effect. Could, In those cases of the big 
generator(Westinghouse case) be eddy flows of aetheric energy which 
cause a space time shift or dimensional shift??   In the days of the 
KeelyNet BBS and Vanguard Science Group, we discussed a lot of this 
phenomenon as did Bill Beatty (weird Science). The best of them all was 
done by Hutchinson in his lab. "Ker-ching", ring up my $.02 (Two cents). 
Norm

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> http://grantchronicles.com/astro140.htm
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>> Subject: 	Re: [EVGRAY] Slap the iron [1 Attachment]
>> Date: 	Fri, 31 Mar 2017 19:45:55 -0500
>> From: 	Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] <[email protected]>
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>> http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/repulsb.htm
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>>
>> On 3/31/2017 7:40 PM, Norman Wootan wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> On 3/31/2017 7:39 PM, Norman Wootan wrote:
>>>>
>>>> The answer is in the vortices that are generated   As in tornadoes, 
>>>> ionization occurs at micro level!   Schauberger's Repulsine device 
>>>> worked this way and produced AG effect!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 3/31/2017 7:18 PM, John Berry [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>> So someone had reason to think that it was a beetle that was the 
>>>>> mystery insect and this is a close up of a structure that is 
>>>>> uncovered and changes angle during flight:
>>>>> Inline image 1
>>>>> I am not sure who found this and I forget the supporting details, 
>>>>> but there is a good reason to think that's it, but now I am going 
>>>>> to try and explain how and why it works.
>>>>> So we could sum this up as a bunch of cones shooting energy 
>>>>> through circular holes.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ok, now I want to take what will seem like a funny unconnected 
>>>>> turn and point out the work of James Cornwell:
>>>>> http://rexresearch.com/cornwell/cornwell.htm
>>>>>
>>>>> So he made a device that seems to disrupt electronics to a point 
>>>>> that seem mysterious and the radiation passes through Faraday 
>>>>> cages, so this is aetheric energy, we could say "radiant energy:.
>>>>>
>>>>> If we look at the design of his device, he uses a magnetron that 
>>>>> is powered in an unbalanced manner (I would expect that to output 
>>>>> aetheric energy), and then this radiation passed through 
>>>>> transparent electropositive and electronegitive transparent 
>>>>> windows.   What I have found from my own research is that is what 
>>>>> I term "neutral" aether energy passes through a transparent 
>>>>> charged film, it is changed by that.
>>>>> Tesla made a radiant energy receiver which was a large plate 
>>>>> covered in a special transparent coating.
>>>>>
>>>>> The wire in Edwin's tube are coated in Teflon which is the most 
>>>>> strongly known electronegative material.
>>>>> I also want to point out this: 
>>>>> http://amasci.com/weird/unusual/e-wall.html  <A transparent force 
>>>>> wall from highly charged moving cling film.
>>>>>
>>>>> So we want to send energy through a transparent material, but is 
>>>>> there another way?
>>>>>
>>>>> Well it turns out you can make a window with aetheric energy, this 
>>>>> can be done in either a cylinder, or a plane, if a cylinder and 
>>>>> there is an aether vortex going on, the "ghost" of that cylinder 
>>>>> rotates such that there is "energy" from the solid parts of the 
>>>>> cylinder where the windows are.
>>>>> With a plane (flat surface not the 'aero type'), an aetheric 
>>>>> radiation that occurs in the plane and focuses in the center.
>>>>>
>>>>> So, where is this window method used?
>>>>>
>>>>> Paul Baumann and Edwin Gray both used holes in cylinders and 
>>>>> plates for this reason I believe, they condition energies that are 
>>>>> emitted through the windows.
>>>>>
>>>>> But this is where we run into another group of devices.
>>>>>
>>>>> So there was this guy in this field who went by the handle DMBoss, 
>>>>> he experimented with a discovery that others have researched which 
>>>>> is an energy beam that occurs with magnets placed on tubes of 
>>>>> noble gas, anyway he also did other experiments and while I forget 
>>>>> all the details of the experiment, this one experiment he told me 
>>>>> about, he had a large pancake coil with a hole in the middle and 
>>>>> it was suspended, at some point with no conventional cause it just 
>>>>> suddenly started swinging.   It was a one off as such, but I will 
>>>>> now explore several similar things!
>>>>>
>>>>> Next is Jeff Cook, he make a coil that while not quite a pancake 
>>>>> as it is long as well as wide the effect still occurs, it also has 
>>>>> the kind of asymmetry that effects the aether, this was given an 
>>>>> impulse of power that could apparently bend flames, and when Tim 
>>>>> Ventura of the site "American Antigravity" tested it, this thing 
>>>>> sent out a beam that killed the piezo starters in a distant gas 
>>>>> cook top. Basically gravity like impulses occurred.
>>>>>
>>>>> Next, is Ronald Stiffler who made a device that created an impulse 
>>>>> that moved bits of paper and might have bent a laser beam a bit, 
>>>>> it consisted of one large and one smaller iron toroid wrapped in a 
>>>>> copper coil. Again there is asymmetry and the larger fatter toroid 
>>>>> is again very thick.
>>>>>
>>>>> Next is Morton L. Morton, he made a series of experiment where a 
>>>>> Van de Graff is induced somehow to discharge through a glass tube 
>>>>> to a large aluminium plate with a hole in the center, this caused 
>>>>> the emission of a repulsive or attractive force depending on finer 
>>>>> details.
>>>>>
>>>>> Next is Podkletnov who after his spinning superconductor success 
>>>>> did a seriously suped up version of the Morton experiment, his 
>>>>> impulses were incomparably stronger, the details are more exotic 
>>>>> but the structure is similar to a combo of Morton, Stiffler and 
>>>>> Jeff Cook's device.
>>>>>
>>>>> Next is Howard Menger, I will describe a hybrid device that is a 
>>>>> combo of his early experiment and his later experiment for 
>>>>> simplicity, take a large circular aluminium disk with a hole in 
>>>>> the center, put a carbon rod wrapped with a copper coil around the 
>>>>> rod, apply a pulse from a battery (a modest 1.5v cell from a flash 
>>>>> light).  This resulted in a huge thrusting up of the aluminium 
>>>>> plate that broke through his ceiling.
>>>>> He actually could not fully replicate his early success without 
>>>>> making a seriously more built up version which involved more coils 
>>>>> and more power, but he was apparently able to replicate the 
>>>>> results to create an antigravity craft.
>>>>>
>>>>> Next, we will change thing a bit and look at the "capwarp": 
>>>>> http://amasci.com/caps/capwarp.html
>>>>> This device creates a thrust, it was replicated successfully by 
>>>>> 2-3 people, one using the pages of a book as the dielectric and 
>>>>> pasting tin coil circles and connecting strips on the pages.  Each 
>>>>> layer again influences the space through the center, flow through 
>>>>> the center happens due to both a rotational effect that occurs and 
>>>>> possible having a positive on one end and negative on the other.
>>>>>
>>>>> Next is Doyle, this was in the Rex Research paper infolios but not 
>>>>> online I don't think, it was a large circular capacitor that lost 
>>>>> weight, no matter if the positive or negative was up.  it was just 
>>>>> a science fare project. He used Styrofoam as the dielectric.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ok, so now have you watched the "fluxliner" documentary?  If not I 
>>>>> HIGHLY recommend it!
>>>>> The construction there and this is an "Alien Reproduction Vehicle" 
>>>>> is a large capacitor the size of the saucer craft, the capacitor 
>>>>> is in segments like the cap warp with a hole in the middle, it 
>>>>> also has a coil the energy also goes through. Glass dielectric.
>>>>>
>>>>> The guy who made the documentary was assassinated, but in another 
>>>>> version some report to have seen an extra detail given, about a 
>>>>> guy in university who made a circular HV capacitor with glass 
>>>>> dielectric, it lost all weight.
>>>>>
>>>>> I myself can vouch that this segmented approach is powerful.
>>>>>
>>>>> If we look at moving through the center of such a capacitor, we 
>>>>> would see a series of positive and negative planes (plates), 
>>>>> alternating positive negative.   Much like Cornwell's transparent 
>>>>> windows!
>>>>> In addition while a plane creates a much stronger energy that just 
>>>>> a ring, Hamel and Searl and even Otis T. Car would qualify, Searl 
>>>>> has 3 concentric rings in the same plane, and Hamel as 2 
>>>>> concentric rings but stacked 3 in series and another large ring 
>>>>> magnet below that.
>>>>>
>>>>> To some extent all you need is a circle (a loop), it's just that 
>>>>> the more you have the more extreme the "window".
>>>>>
>>>>> The biggest question is how the different types of "window" change 
>>>>> the effects of the energy that goes through, a capacitor and a 
>>>>> coil or a neutral object are all very different and likely relate 
>>>>> to different effects on the energy that goes through the window.
>>>>>
>>>>> Also my theory is that the window is about picking  up energies or 
>>>>> qualities, but it is possible that it is about filtering out 
>>>>> energies or qualities, or about changing energies of what moves 
>>>>> through it.
>>>>>
>>>>> But I think this is the basis of the bugs secret, and a powerful 
>>>>> secret of aetheric energy, this allows energy to be variously 
>>>>> conditioned.
>>>>>
>>>>> John
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> John Berry
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, Apr 1, 2017 at 11:09 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] 
>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] <[email protected] 
>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>     John! I would love to read your ideas and theory and will also
>>>>>     share my ideas as to how "flight" actually works.  I'm 79 now
>>>>>     and have been at this since my childhood since I grew up
>>>>>     around aircraft.  My Dad had two and I would wash airplanes
>>>>>     just for a ride. (Late 40s).    Norm
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>     On 3/31/2017 2:43 PM, John Berry [email protected]
>>>>>     <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>>>     Norm, yes I know.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     And I think I know what was going on with the insects, I
>>>>>>     think I might know the shape and how it worked.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     I can write it up, but I just need to know you want to read
>>>>>>     it,  It might be a little long, it makes a decent case.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     John
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     John Berry
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     On Sat, Apr 1, 2017 at 2:40 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected]
>>>>>>     <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] <[email protected]
>>>>>>     <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>         John! regarding the "shimmer/invisibility", see this: 
>>>>>>         Viktor Stepanovich Grebennikov --- naturalist and a
>>>>>>         professional entomologist. He is also an artist and an
>>>>>>         intellectual with a wide range of interests and pursuits.
>>>>>>         He is known to many as the discoverer of the Cavity
>>>>>>         Structures Effect (CSE). But very few people are familiar
>>>>>>         with his other discovery, the one that also borrows from
>>>>>>         Nature and its innermost secrets. He has discovered
>>>>>>         antigravitational effects of the chitin shell of certain
>>>>>>         insects back in 1988 but, the most impressive concomitant
>>>>>>         phenomenon he has discovered at the same time was that of
>>>>>>         complete or partial invisibility and/or of distorted
>>>>>>         perception of material objects entering the zone of
>>>>>>         compensated gravity. Based on this discovery, Victor
>>>>>>         Grebennikov used bionic principles to design and build an
>>>>>>         anti-gravitational platform for hovering flights at the
>>>>>>         speeds of up to 25 km/min. Since 1991-92 he has used this
>>>>>>         device for his own fast transportation.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>         "Zone of compensated gravity"????
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>         On 3/28/2017 7:24 PM, John Berry [email protected]
>>>>>>         <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>>>>         Ok, I'll keep each account down to it's bare bone
>>>>>>>         details. It is of course worth noting that none of this
>>>>>>>         stuff has stellar evidence, you either believe the
>>>>>>>         account or you don't, it is only in the consistency that
>>>>>>>         a real degree of credibility arises.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>         Big generator, suddenly unloaded. A report I heard from
>>>>>>>         a guy who heard it from a guy, in a power station a
>>>>>>>         generator, I want to say it was a Westinghouse, when it
>>>>>>>         was pulled offline suddenly (but it's still generating)
>>>>>>>         it began to shimmer and disappear, apparently it had
>>>>>>>         been seen before but it wasn't talked about.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>         An account on Keelynet, hmmm, I just realized I included
>>>>>>>         this one under accounts of invisibility of iron, but it
>>>>>>>         was iron that made non-iron this disappear anyway this
>>>>>>>         guy who "Knew what he was doing" stole 5 large
>>>>>>>         transformers, put them in a circle, put a goat and other
>>>>>>>         things to test it out, they disappeared, then he got in
>>>>>>>         the circle and disappeared.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>         Ok, this one now I think about it is also "different",
>>>>>>>         an account that I heard in connection to another account
>>>>>>>         actually, but it involved a guy who on trying to conduct
>>>>>>>         electricity through a gel with iron particles found
>>>>>>>         himself displaced in time or something, I think it was
>>>>>>>         mentioned in connection with another account I didn't
>>>>>>>         include in my count of a "Joe Cell" like device (Proton
>>>>>>>         Cell) that was powerd by an inusual generator and
>>>>>>>         possible a spark gap, and this cell made for some
>>>>>>>         displacements in time also.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>         I now forget the guys name, but on the Art Bell radio
>>>>>>>         show, a guy rang in and rang back a few times I think
>>>>>>>         (not sure I listened first hand to much of it), he wound
>>>>>>>         a high voltage transformer like an NST, and when he
>>>>>>>         threw (I assume steel) screws near the HV arc they would
>>>>>>>         vanish. Screws have a right handed helix, so that should
>>>>>>>         attract the electron type energy. The transformer he
>>>>>>>         specified was "scramble wound" not neatly wound, i have
>>>>>>>         found such winding's especially if the degree of chaos
>>>>>>>         varies (starts neat, gets messy) to create a lot of
>>>>>>>         aetheric energy, and they can pull energy in too,
>>>>>>>         perhaps from the spark gap creating a feedback cycle of
>>>>>>>         aetheric energy.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>         William Beaty's weird science site has had feedback from
>>>>>>>         people who have got weird results from experiments, one
>>>>>>>         tells about a guy took some amplifier or something,
>>>>>>>         hooked it up to a steel loop (the kind that would come
>>>>>>>         with rabbit ears something, with 90 degree bends leading
>>>>>>>         into and out of the loop (which I have found to be a
>>>>>>>         powerful aetheric effect if the 2 sides are imbalanced
>>>>>>>         somehow), into which he dangled a paper clip on cotton,
>>>>>>>         the paper clip vanished and when he reversed the
>>>>>>>         connection to the loop it re-appeared. In might have
>>>>>>>         been enveloped in a blue glow?  (if you look you will
>>>>>>>         find the account)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>         I had a friend in Canada, I think he said that he
>>>>>>>         witnessed this, or maybe it happened to his friends,
>>>>>>>         they took a steel coat hanger and shorted out a car
>>>>>>>         battery, it turned red, then white, then started to
>>>>>>>         shimmer and vanish.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>         You know Rex Research, well there was another group in
>>>>>>>         New Zealand (maybe it was Australia) called Lost Tech
>>>>>>>         Archives IIRC, I never bought any of their stuff (this
>>>>>>>         was back before Rex Research put stuff online for free)
>>>>>>>         as I had opted out of paying any money for more info but
>>>>>>>         some stuff I got for free, or was it the catalog?  Or a
>>>>>>>         free first copy?  Well one of the things was a newspaper
>>>>>>>         clipping of a guy who way way back, I'm going to guess
>>>>>>>         the 50's at the earliest, who had a suit with steel
>>>>>>>         coils that made him invisible. Another thing they also
>>>>>>>         had was a guy who made a vacuum tube device that created
>>>>>>>         rays that caused things to lose weight.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>         In Gerry Vassalito's 2 books on Tesla and cold wars
>>>>>>>         secrets, he talk about how arc welders would find steel
>>>>>>>         tools vanish, and finally they realized that emissions
>>>>>>>         from the arcs were doing this. This was probably
>>>>>>>         peculiar to the technology used in the day.  As William
>>>>>>>         Lyne points out in his again, 2 books, welding with
>>>>>>>         Hydrogen used to be a thing and it was very overunity.
>>>>>>>         While I guess this was not that, such "features" tend to
>>>>>>>         get removed over time.  But there is an account of a guy
>>>>>>>         welding a Pyramid and hit levitated.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>         There are accounts of the steel components in the
>>>>>>>         Pharnsworth Fusor sometimes turning transparent or
>>>>>>>         becoming invisible.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>         There are accounts of steel components in more regular
>>>>>>>         vacuum tubes sometimes becoming invisible (still
>>>>>>>         working, so they were still there).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>         There is an account of a transformer made with steel
>>>>>>>         tube, not laminate, that was made in the form of a bike
>>>>>>>         so that it could be ridden, it would cause the
>>>>>>>         transformer and the rider (or just the rider?) to begin
>>>>>>>         to vanish and to come back babbling about what he saw.
>>>>>>>         There is also an account from Davis and Rawls of
>>>>>>>         treating the Pineal with a magnet, but this is assumed
>>>>>>>         to have only resulted in seeing things dissolve in a
>>>>>>>         "3rd eye" kind of way.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>         Finally, there is an account that I have a document on
>>>>>>>         somewhere, a guy made a device, he used copper wire from
>>>>>>>         an old telephone transmission transformer (I have no
>>>>>>>         idea if there is such a thing, but that's what I
>>>>>>>         recall), he had 3 steel cores which he wound bucking
>>>>>>>         electromagnetic poles on, I think he energized them in a
>>>>>>>         circular manner so as to create a rotating field, but
>>>>>>>         I'm not sure, but he did have the frequency increase
>>>>>>>         gradually as it ran, at some point objects put in the
>>>>>>>         center would disappear, he could make them reappear
>>>>>>>         also.  I think the document might have had a shot at
>>>>>>>         what frequency might have been used.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>         So, we have multiple accounts then suggesting that there
>>>>>>>         are a lot of ways that steel can be treated that makes
>>>>>>>         it eventually "wig out' and disappear, sometimes coming
>>>>>>>         back, sometimes not seemingly the object remains in the
>>>>>>>         same space and can be returned by reversing the process,
>>>>>>>         in other case not powering it anymore seems enough
>>>>>>>         (probably in cases where the item is connected to
>>>>>>>         circuitry that has not vanished, grounding the energy).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>         Oh, it's not iron, but there is also an account of paper
>>>>>>>         thin gold becoming transparent when heated, both this
>>>>>>>         and the "regular vacuum tube" account above were
>>>>>>>         mentioned by someone on BBill eaty's Vortex discussion list.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>         Oh, and as for the space warping one, that is a claim by
>>>>>>>         Stan Deyo, he had an iron ring which he created multi
>>>>>>>         axis rotating iron atoms (hmmm, does that sound like it
>>>>>>>         could describe a helix?) by pulsing 3 coils on different
>>>>>>>         axis at a special frequency at a special phase
>>>>>>>         relationship, this caused space to bend in toward the
>>>>>>>         device for a moment at which point it would do nothing
>>>>>>>         else, not that device and even a newly built device in
>>>>>>>         that spot would not work, as if the device was now
>>>>>>>         "full" and had sucked the relevant energy from the space
>>>>>>>         around it. But a new one in a new spot would agian work
>>>>>>>         once apparently.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>         So the note I made to myself based on all of this is
>>>>>>>         that the iron can be energized a number of ways.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>         The effects I notices were:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>         Spark gap discharge <This featured prominently, the
>>>>>>>         vacuum tube is also a similar kind of "current across a
>>>>>>>         gap", I guess to strech a point the gap in the outer
>>>>>>>         ring of the paperclip vanishing device could also count.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>         Current through the iron, let me see, if the output
>>>>>>>         coils are not loaded suddenly, then the core losses
>>>>>>>         increase (as the magnetic field is unopposed by the
>>>>>>>         generator coils) which includes induction of currrent,
>>>>>>>         so this could apply to the first one, perhaps the second
>>>>>>>         one as some transformers are made to only work loaded
>>>>>>>         and unloaded will draw too much current, conducting
>>>>>>>         current through iron particles in a gel, Yup. Also that
>>>>>>>         would go for the "extra" account about similar effects
>>>>>>>         from the Joe/Proton cell.  It might apply to the
>>>>>>>         home-made HV transformer, no idea what kind of core he
>>>>>>>         used.or if he had enough primary turns to keep it from
>>>>>>>         drawing too much current thereby inducing excess
>>>>>>>         inductive losses.  Paper clip account, Yup, current
>>>>>>>         through loop. My old (actually young at the time) friend
>>>>>>>         in Canada, YUP!  Lost Tech Archives paper clipping of a
>>>>>>>         jacket made with steel coils which, yes, were
>>>>>>>         electrified, so YUP! Pharnsworth Fusor?  Maybe a little
>>>>>>>         as it was electrified to a high voltage and that was
>>>>>>>         lost to the gas in ionization,  Regular Vacuum Tubes?
>>>>>>>         Probably. Steel Tube ride-on Transformer? You bet!
>>>>>>>         Rising freq. device with bucking electromagnets?
>>>>>>>         Possibly.  As for the the account from Gerry Vassilitos,
>>>>>>>         while current is assumed not to be passing through the
>>>>>>>         steel objects that vanished, it would have been likely
>>>>>>>         passing through the things being welded, so probably Yes!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>         Voltage: Probably not required, only ones with propperly
>>>>>>>         HV is Pharnsworth and the HV transformer.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>         Saturation: Possible in a number of the cases, but not
>>>>>>>         all, not by a long way.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>         Physical stress: Maybe in some, but not a major component.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>         Hysteresis: I think this could be a big help but it's
>>>>>>>         not present in anything but the more
>>>>>>>         transformer/generator type examples
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>         High frequency??? In only a few of the cases.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>         If Norm's Buzzer is just a steel rod as I understand it
>>>>>>>         to be, it too would have had this "induction in the
>>>>>>>         core" going on!
>>>>>>>         Both eddy currents and Hysteresis and it's directly
>>>>>>>         electrically connected and has a "spark gap" or sorts
>>>>>>>         (mechanical switches do spark :)  ).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>         But I think that overall, the arc welding and the HV
>>>>>>>         transformer with screws thrown at it and the several
>>>>>>>         with circles of steel and things vanishing in the middle
>>>>>>>         point to the effect being aetheric, the steel is just
>>>>>>>         good at containing the aetheric energy, and when it is
>>>>>>>         contained then things "done" to the steel tend to
>>>>>>>         convert that energy, weather it is mechanical stress
>>>>>>>         such as a buzzer or hysteresis or ohmic resistance into
>>>>>>>         more aetheric energy to the point, a runaway feedback
>>>>>>>         effect. Merely having losses in iron probably won't do
>>>>>>>         anything if the aether is not already involved.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>         John
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>         John Berry
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>         On Wed, Mar 29, 2017 at 11:51 AM, Mick
>>>>>>>         [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY]
>>>>>>>         <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
>>>>>>>         wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>             John,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>             I am very interested in dimensional shifts and their
>>>>>>>             causes. Anything you might provide based on these
>>>>>>>             cases you mention would be compelling.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>             Thanks,
>>>>>>>             Mick
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>             On 3/28/2017 2:39 PM, John Berry
>>>>>>>             [email protected]
>>>>>>>             <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>>>>>             I wish you had not brought up the subject of pure
>>>>>>>>             Iron, I just looked into it and it is EXPENSIVE
>>>>>>>>             well I don't know what that powder costs, but a
>>>>>>>>             single  10cm 2mm dia iron rod is a couple hundred
>>>>>>>>             bucks if you want pure.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>             Anything cheap has no purity figures, well could be
>>>>>>>>             anything.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>             Of course while pure iron might be better, the
>>>>>>>>             evidence for iron being awesome points to it not
>>>>>>>>             needing to be pure.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>             Looking at all the evidence I have for iron, I
>>>>>>>>             think that the number of ways it can be used are
>>>>>>>>             numerous, just considering invisibility, in some
>>>>>>>>             accounts it is near a spark gap, in other accounts
>>>>>>>>             current runs through it, in some accounts there are
>>>>>>>>             saturating magnetic fields but in other accounts
>>>>>>>>             there aren't. In some accounts there is HV, in
>>>>>>>>             other accounts there is not, but all the accounts I
>>>>>>>>             am thinking of the iron got so charged with energy
>>>>>>>>             it began to vanish.
>>>>>>>>             I can think of at least 10 such accounts, and a
>>>>>>>>             11th where is seemed to warp space instead of vanish!
>>>>>>>>             And that's without counting the Philadelphia
>>>>>>>>             experiment which is meant to have vanished because
>>>>>>>>             of the iron in the ship.
>>>>>>>>             And that's not counting another where steel was
>>>>>>>>             used to make things vanish but it wasn't the steel
>>>>>>>>             that vanished, but that should probably be counted
>>>>>>>>             also.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>             If you want I can go over the claims in each case,
>>>>>>>>             but that's a lot of evidence that Iron can do some
>>>>>>>>             interesting things!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>             So while there might be ways to get the iron to
>>>>>>>>             produce energy, I think the key is that much as
>>>>>>>>             with the locked rotor and MRA tests, energy
>>>>>>>>             (aetheric) can be built up to a very high level in
>>>>>>>>             iron no matter where it comes from.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>             And if this energy is expelled all at once, look out!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>             Incidentally I found a form that is very effective
>>>>>>>>             at keeping energy in, condensing.  I don't know if
>>>>>>>>             this suits the iron subject, but it might.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>             Inline image 1
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>             This was arrived at by experimentation and I'm not
>>>>>>>>             sure if I have an explanation it would do full justice.
>>>>>>>>             Again if you are willing to try and do something as
>>>>>>>>             out there as feel energy from a screen, this is a
>>>>>>>>             good one to try.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>             John
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>             John Berry
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>             On Wed, Mar 29, 2017 at 3:51 AM,
>>>>>>>>             [email protected]
>>>>>>>>             <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY]
>>>>>>>>             <[email protected]
>>>>>>>>             <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>                 one word (Gravity)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>                 every particle is a transform engine ...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>                 (H)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
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