plasma magnet

https://earthweb.ess.washington.edu/space/PlasmaMag/

"Plasma magnet uses phased antennas operating in the radio frequency
range to produce a rapidly rotating magnetic field. This rotating
magnetic field preferentially accelerates electrons within a plasma to
produce a DC current that can lead to the generation of a steady state
magnetic field in space *very much larger than can be possibly sustained
by electromagnets*."

https://www.extremetech.com/extreme/176393-ge-develops-high-tech-fridge-magnets-that-could-save-the-world-billions-of-dollars-in-energy-costs
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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY] <[email protected]>
Sent: January 18, 2019 11:18 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [EVGRAY] plasma magnet



https://earthweb.ess.washington.edu/space/PlasmaMag/

"Plasma magnet uses phased antennas operating in the radio frequency range to produce a rapidly rotating magnetic field. This rotating magnetic field preferentially accelerates electrons within a plasma to produce a DC current that can lead to the generation of a steady state magnetic field in space very much larger than can be possibly sustained by electromagnets."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gadolinium
[https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d1/Gadolinium-4.jpg]<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gadolinium>

Gadolinium - Wikipedia<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gadolinium>
Gadolinium is a chemical element with symbol Gd and atomic number 64. Gadolinium is a silvery-white, malleable, and ductile rare earth metal.It is found in nature only in oxidized form, and even when separated, it usually has impurities of the other rare earths.
en.wikipedia.org



________________________________
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY] <[email protected]>
Sent: January 18, 2019 11:18 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [EVGRAY] plasma magnet



https://earthweb.ess.washington.edu/space/PlasmaMag/

"Plasma magnet uses phased antennas operating in the radio frequency range to produce a rapidly rotating magnetic field. This rotating magnetic field preferentially accelerates electrons within a plasma to produce a DC current that can lead to the generation of a steady state magnetic field in space very much larger than can be possibly sustained by electromagnets."

Hi Bart
I think I read about this before from some info you sent, in a nutshell, a strong neodymium magnet being pushed towards the gandolimium (sp?)stuff vrestez heat, but when it pulls away it creates cold (other way around?) So its not too difficult to make something mechanical or rotating  to createheatorcold or both...maybe they are using the super strong magnets now newly available Norm posted rabout recently(N60 type?)
Kone

All of us that do Tig welding know that when a plasma is established, 
low voltage DC,high amperage currents will flow due to the high 
conductivity.

On 1/18/2019 10:18 AM, Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>
> https://earthweb.ess.washington.edu/space/PlasmaMag/
>
> "Plasma magnet uses phased antennas operating in the radio frequency 
> range to produce a rapidly rotating magnetic field. This rotating 
> magnetic field preferentially accelerates electrons within a plasma to 
> produce a DC current that can lead to the generation of a steady state 
> magnetic field in space *very much larger than can be possibly 
> sustained by electromagnets*."
>
>

BartYears ago, you made up a prototype experiment, using a rotor, with slanted magnets, much like some self runners seem to be displaying.Perhaps, it might be re-cycled, using these new magnets, with that heat, cold, function, when driven?The trick is to see exactly where this heat, and cold actually appear, in order to exploit this phenomenon.Then measuring how much energy is detected, and how much energy was used to make it happen needs to be tested.Designing a good test is the challenge.Even if it matches contemporary refrigeration, or heating systems, it might be a contender, to be competitive, if simple enough.Cheers Warren

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  On Sat, 19 Jan 2019 at 8:22 AM, [email protected] [EVGRAY]<[email protected]> wrote:       
Hi Bart
I think I read about this before from some info you sent, in a nutshell, a strong neodymium magnet being pushed towards the gandolimium (sp?)stuff vrestez heat, but when it pulls away it creates cold (other way around?) So its not too difficult to make something mechanical or rotating to createheatorcold or both...maybe they are using the super strong magnets now newly available Norm posted rabout recently(N60 type?)
Kone
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Hi Bart,

I was thinking today about Kone's motor.  Lately I have been having
quite a bit of thoughts on the reactivity of spin, magnetic moments and
how the angular momentum affects torsion field forces between different
types of metals that could be construed as spin batteries.  Anyhow to
make a long story short an added function to the Muller type designs
could be another rotor containing bismuth, once spinning this should
create a paramagnetic kick to the repulsive forces as paramagnets
repulse both mag poles.  A further design along these studies could
undertake rotors and stators that are designed to produce asymmetric
serpentine flux fields rather than standard circular ones.  This might
require camming or some sort of eccentric shaft with a star layout in
order that the magnets sweep around the coils imparting a spin
component.  The layouts could be derived from Chladni geometry of sound
frequencies based on the intended RPM of the designs.

Speaking of your flow battery another constant thought is a battery
design utilizing the states of water as hydronium and hydroxide with
some kind of proton exchange mechanism, perhaps a membrane or something
else entirely allowing for storage of electricity in a bipolar water ion
design.  You would have much more knowledge of the interactions between
these states of water and perhaps know how to tap this fuel cell type
energy in a liquid state.

Your phosphorus experiments sound fascinating.

When we look at an oscilloscope displaying sine waves and only observing
the x-y many are forgetting this is actually a 3d hyperbolic field being
represented in 2d.  As the brilliant Schauberger pointed out nature
works in spirals.  It is interesting to note his water gating and
Tesla's one way valve are essentially exactly the same design.  Tesla
also thought in 3d about hyperbolic flow.  We are almost there but I
think what many designs are just short of is properly incorporating the
spin component to imbue a hyperbolic flux rather than circular flux pattern!



On 1/19/2019 5:20 PM, bart woodard [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>  
>
> Doug, Warren, Mick, Norman ...others
>
> On my personnel wall of shame , there are many missises, some or most
> all I struggle to throw out.  lol This is one!
> I am thinking, lets get Dougs toy to do some thing! (( I am currently
> renoing another house and building a table top water machine for
> market sales intentions)
> (Some thing HD would have been best for!))
>
> For Doug maybe a bigger rotor with some peltiers stuck on a piece of
> glass taped to an exterior window , some small copper tanks,
>
> https://www.ebay.com/p/Copper-Water-Cooling-Block-for-Heat-Sink-Cooled-GPU-CPU-Radiator-Liquid-Heatsink/1176150367
>
> Set up for two tanks separated and isolated from each other
> (adjustable resistance) with small tanks for each side of the rotor
> tank set up.
> By isolating them from each other you can create a flow battery like I
> said to you once Doug.
> Hence the in floor heating as a flowing battery concept.( I was once
> to do this with Warrens Mike but never happened.)
> You would find better results with one side of the rotor north and the
> other south in my experience.
> But not sure if this works for you on your current build so think on
> this how to make it work best for you.
> With your now set up Doug you are close and the parts are somewhat
> affordable. It would be fun!
> Get to a good enough value for HD to manufacturer in the end possibly.
> Get it cranking enough and the values of neutrons and some gamma can
> come in to play to please everyone.
> Hence a gain on hysteriousness. Get enough going and its like John B
> said ...... its a free working fan as well! lol
> Warren its like Norman says... collect and build everything possible
> in the attempt to maintain desired heat values.
> By creating a flow battery you can use it on leds  or let it flow out
> to btu values .
>
> This should have been mine!  oh well!!!
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VonUp5Wicwk
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BMY2CbSodGk
>
>
> Here is another rant!
> Warren I picked at John B as much as possible , one question after
> another repeatedly. So I got little pieces of various projects through
> out our stay.
> John felt compelled to help me this way as he was not going to assist
> in helping the ferro inverter work.
> On my visits and many stays to Northern Finland I would go to
> Rovaniemi or Lapland.
> Way up North at night you can see phosphorous  lights going off and on
> like miniature leds in the hillside or mountains they call them. 
> I asked John what was the phosphorous material Henry Moray was collecting?
> Johns answer was , its really just phosphorous values with in elements
> and you can find value in almost anything except some have a better
> value than others.
> He said we used to build our components way back when actually when we
> wanted particular values. Said he would go out in Nevada or anywhere
> and look for various elements.
> So it was another head scratcher.  I put it in under my hat for a
> later play.
> I will not say a name , but later I witnessed just this being done.
> This guy has a case of clinically depression, I did not know at the
> time what this was only thought a couple beers is all he needed.
> The wife said no he will not get better with a couple of beers.
> So here .. he took apart a timer , not sure which model, the ones
> highly used in joule thief circuits.
> He took the timer apart and sprinkled or placed some thorium on it I
> think it was.
> Then put it in the oven for ten minutes or so. He seemed to know when
> was long enough.
> When he took it out and it cooled down it pretty much ran itself. YA
> This guy assisted in the circuitry for the rover, nasa.
> I took this concept to another value and started building phosphorous
> hho cells. endothermic exothermic !
> Any way hopes this helps.
> Really should have its own thread or forum I always thought.
>
> Bart
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From:* [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of
> Warren Keillor [email protected] [EVGRAY]
> <[email protected]>
> *Sent:* January 19, 2019 10:16 AM
> *To:* [email protected]
> *Subject:* Re: [EVGRAY] plasma magnet
>  
>  
>
> Bart
>
> Years ago, you made up a prototype experiment, using a rotor, with
> slanted magnets, much like some self runners seem to be displaying.
> Perhaps, it might be re-cycled, using these new magnets, with that
> heat, cold, function, when driven?
> The trick is to see exactly where this heat, and cold actually appear,
> in order to exploit this phenomenon.
> Then measuring how much energy is detected, and how much energy was
> used to make it happen needs to be tested.
> Designing a good test is the challenge.
> Even if it matches contemporary refrigeration, or heating systems, it
> might be a contender, to be competitive, if simple enough.
> Cheers Warren
>
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
> <https://go.onelink.me/107872968?pid=InProduct&c=Global_Internal_YGrowth_AndroidEmailSig__AndroidUsers&af_wl=ym&af_sub1=Internal&af_sub2=Global_YGrowth&af_sub3=EmailSignature>
>
>     On Sat, 19 Jan 2019 at 8:22 AM, [email protected] [EVGRAY]
>     <[email protected]> wrote:
>      
>
>     Hi Bart
>     I think I read about this before from some info you sent, in a
>     nutshell, a strong neodymium magnet being pushed towards the
>     gandolimium (sp?)stuff vrestez heat, but when it pulls away it
>     creates cold (other way around?) So its not too difficult to make
>     something mechanical or rotating to createheatorcold or
>     both...maybe they are using the super strong magnets now newly
>     available Norm posted rabout recently(N60 type?)
>     Kone
>
>

Doug, Warren, Mick, Norman ...others

On my personnel wall of shame , there are many missises, some or most all I struggle to throw out.  lol This is one!
I am thinking, lets get Dougs toy to do some thing! (( I am currently renoing another house and building a table top water machine for market sales intentions)
(Some thing HD would have been best for!))

For Doug maybe a bigger rotor with some peltiers stuck on a piece of glass taped to an exterior window , some small copper tanks,

https://www.ebay.com/p/Copper-Water-Cooling-Block-for-Heat-Sink-Cooled-GPU-CPU-Radiator-Liquid-Heatsink/1176150367

Set up for two tanks separated and isolated from each other (adjustable resistance) with small tanks for each side of the rotor tank set up.
By isolating them from each other you can create a flow battery like I said to you once Doug.
Hence the in floor heating as a flowing battery concept.( I was once to do this with Warrens Mike but never happened.)
You would find better results with one side of the rotor north and the other south in my experience.
But not sure if this works for you on your current build so think on this how to make it work best for you.
With your now set up Doug you are close and the parts are somewhat affordable. It would be fun!
Get to a good enough value for HD to manufacturer in the end possibly.
Get it cranking enough and the values of neutrons and some gamma can come in to play to please everyone.
Hence a gain on hysteriousness. Get enough going and its like John B said ...... its a free working fan as well! lol
Warren its like Norman says... collect and build everything possible in the attempt to maintain desired heat values.
By creating a flow battery you can use it on leds  or let it flow out to btu values .

This should have been mine!  oh well!!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VonUp5Wicwk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BMY2CbSodGk


Here is another rant!
Warren I picked at John B as much as possible , one question after another repeatedly. So I got little pieces of various projects through out our stay.
John felt compelled to help me this way as he was not going to assist in helping the ferro inverter work.
On my visits and many stays to Northern Finland I would go to Rovaniemi or Lapland.
Way up North at night you can see phosphorous  lights going off and on like miniature leds in the hillside or mountains they call them.
I asked John what was the phosphorous material Henry Moray was collecting?
Johns answer was , its really just phosphorous values with in elements and you can find value in almost anything except some have a better value than others.
He said we used to build our components way back when actually when we wanted particular values. Said he would go out in Nevada or anywhere and look for various elements.
So it was another head scratcher.  I put it in under my hat for a later play.
I will not say a name , but later I witnessed just this being done.
This guy has a case of clinically depression, I did not know at the time what this was only thought a couple beers is all he needed.
The wife said no he will not get better with a couple of beers.
So here .. he took apart a timer , not sure which model, the ones highly used in joule thief circuits.
He took the timer apart and sprinkled or placed some thorium on it I think it was.
Then put it in the oven for ten minutes or so. He seemed to know when was long enough.
When he took it out and it cooled down it pretty much ran itself. YA
This guy assisted in the circuitry for the rover, nasa.
I took this concept to another value and started building phosphorous hho cells. endothermic exothermic !
Any way hopes this helps.
Really should have its own thread or forum I always thought.

Bart

________________________________
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Warren Keillor [email protected] [EVGRAY] <[email protected]>
Sent: January 19, 2019 10:16 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [EVGRAY] plasma magnet



Bart

Years ago, you made up a prototype experiment, using a rotor, with slanted magnets, much like some self runners seem to be displaying.
Perhaps, it might be re-cycled, using these new magnets, with that heat, cold, function, when driven?
The trick is to see exactly where this heat, and cold actually appear, in order to exploit this phenomenon.
Then measuring how much energy is detected, and how much energy was used to make it happen needs to be tested.
Designing a good test is the challenge.
Even if it matches contemporary refrigeration, or heating systems, it might be a contender, to be competitive, if simple enough.
Cheers Warren

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On Sat, 19 Jan 2019 at 8:22 AM, [email protected] [EVGRAY]
<[email protected]> wrote:


Hi Bart
I think I read about this before from some info you sent, in a nutshell, a strong neodymium magnet being pushed towards the gandolimium (sp?)stuff vrestez heat, but when it pulls away it creates cold (other way around?) So its not too difficult to make something mechanical or rotating to createheatorcold or both...maybe they are using the super strong magnets now newly available Norm posted rabout recently(N60 type?)
Kone

Bart,

Very true mucho thoughts... ok bastante...   Anyways there is likely no
spin on the electromagnet while the ceramics have the integrated
conics.   Sorry to overwhelm with more concepts but it seems to me the
number one factor being left out of the designs.  When we look at
materials, integer spins, magnetic moments etc it seems self evident
this is how nature designs so...

Not sure what to think of old Searl who used to be Searle, many years
and dollars and nothing.  Perhaps you could distill down what you think
is relevant data or pertinent to the  appurtenant gibberish?
I knew a person who ran into him when he arrived in te USA and told this
person all he needed was a few parts machined and some magnets purchased
and 100 percent no question it would work.  Well the person paid for the
parts and machining and was not a happy camper subsequently.

On 1/19/2019 9:54 PM, bart woodard [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>  
>
> Hi Mick,
>                Ok,47000 thoughts ,all racing on each other! If only it
> had currency lol
> Firstly ! Yes , a million builds done now by the populace and same old
> same old.  I do concur about the value on hyperbolic vs flat alignment.
> If you go with flat you need 5500 rpm John B said to incorporate para
> advantages. That is difficult to do with most of these prototype takes.
> When you look around in the past most any or all parabolic builds of
> one style or another has performed above and in some cases beyond.
> Here is a  vid concurring.      Law of the squares.....
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zZ8KVzDeYaI
>
> While we are at it ask yourself why does not the trans former do what
> the magnet does?
> By answering these types of questions will get us closer once again.
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWJzicbQ4ew
>
> More to come
> Bart
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From:* [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of
> Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY] <[email protected]>
> *Sent:* January 19, 2019 7:02 PM
> *To:* [email protected]
> *Subject:* Re: [EVGRAY] plasma magnet
>  
>  
>
> Hi Bart,
>
> I was thinking today about Kone's motor.  Lately I have been having
> quite a bit of thoughts on the reactivity of spin, magnetic moments
> and how the angular momentum affects torsion field forces between
> different types of metals that could be construed as spin batteries. 
> Anyhow to make a long story short an added function to the Muller type
> designs could be another rotor containing bismuth, once spinning this
> should create a paramagnetic kick to the repulsive forces as
> paramagnets repulse both mag poles.  A further design along these
> studies could undertake rotors and stators that are designed to
> produce asymmetric serpentine flux fields rather than standard
> circular ones.  This might require camming or some sort of eccentric
> shaft with a star layout in order that the magnets sweep around the
> coils imparting a spin component.  The layouts could be derived from
> Chladni geometry of sound frequencies based on the intended RPM of the
> designs.
>
> Speaking of your flow battery another constant thought is a battery
> design utilizing the states of water as hydronium and hydroxide with
> some kind of proton exchange mechanism, perhaps a membrane or
> something else entirely allowing for storage of electricity in a
> bipolar water ion design.  You would have much more knowledge of the
> interactions between these states of water and perhaps know how to tap
> this fuel cell type energy in a liquid state.
>
> Your phosphorus experiments sound fascinating.
>
> When we look at an oscilloscope displaying sine waves and only
> observing the x-y many are forgetting this is actually a 3d hyperbolic
> field being represented in 2d.  As the brilliant Schauberger pointed
> out nature works in spirals.  It is interesting to note his water
> gating and Tesla's one way valve are essentially exactly the same
> design.  Tesla also thought in 3d about hyperbolic flow.  We are
> almost there but I think what many designs are just short of is
> properly incorporating the spin component to imbue a hyperbolic flux
> rather than circular flux pattern!
>
>
>
> On 1/19/2019 5:20 PM, bart woodard [email protected]
> <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>  
>> Doug, Warren, Mick, Norman ...others
>>
>> On my personnel wall of shame , there are many missises, some or most
>> all I struggle to throw out.  lol This is one!
>> I am thinking, lets get Dougs toy to do some thing! (( I am currently
>> renoing another house and building a table top water machine for
>> market sales intentions)
>> (Some thing HD would have been best for!))
>>
>> For Doug maybe a bigger rotor with some peltiers stuck on a piece of
>> glass taped to an exterior window , some small copper tanks,
>>
>> https://www.ebay.com/p/Copper-Water-Cooling-Block-for-Heat-Sink-Cooled-GPU-CPU-Radiator-Liquid-Heatsink/1176150367
>>
>> Set up for two tanks separated and isolated from each other
>> (adjustable resistance) with small tanks for each side of the rotor
>> tank set up.
>> By isolating them from each other you can create a flow battery like
>> I said to you once Doug.
>> Hence the in floor heating as a flowing battery concept.( I was once
>> to do this with Warrens Mike but never happened.)
>> You would find better results with one side of the rotor north and
>> the other south in my experience.
>> But not sure if this works for you on your current build so think on
>> this how to make it work best for you.
>> With your now set up Doug you are close and the parts are somewhat
>> affordable. It would be fun!
>> Get to a good enough value for HD to manufacturer in the end possibly.
>> Get it cranking enough and the values of neutrons and some gamma can
>> come in to play to please everyone.
>> Hence a gain on hysteriousness. Get enough going and its like John B
>> said ...... its a free working fan as well! lol
>> Warren its like Norman says... collect and build everything possible
>> in the attempt to maintain desired heat values.
>> By creating a flow battery you can use it on leds  or let it flow out
>> to btu values .
>>
>> This should have been mine!  oh well!!!
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VonUp5Wicwk
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BMY2CbSodGk
>>
>>
>> Here is another rant!
>> Warren I picked at John B as much as possible , one question after
>> another repeatedly. So I got little pieces of various projects
>> through out our stay.
>> John felt compelled to help me this way as he was not going to assist
>> in helping the ferro inverter work.
>> On my visits and many stays to Northern Finland I would go to
>> Rovaniemi or Lapland.
>> Way up North at night you can see phosphorous  lights going off and
>> on like miniature leds in the hillside or mountains they call them. 
>> I asked John what was the phosphorous material Henry Moray was
>> collecting?
>> Johns answer was , its really just phosphorous values with in
>> elements and you can find value in almost anything except some have a
>> better value than others.
>> He said we used to build our components way back when actually when
>> we wanted particular values. Said he would go out in Nevada or
>> anywhere and look for various elements.
>> So it was another head scratcher.  I put it in under my hat for a
>> later play.
>> I will not say a name , but later I witnessed just this being done.
>> This guy has a case of clinically depression, I did not know at the
>> time what this was only thought a couple beers is all he needed.
>> The wife said no he will not get better with a couple of beers.
>> So here .. he took apart a timer , not sure which model, the ones
>> highly used in joule thief circuits.
>> He took the timer apart and sprinkled or placed some thorium on it I
>> think it was.
>> Then put it in the oven for ten minutes or so. He seemed to know when
>> was long enough.
>> When he took it out and it cooled down it pretty much ran itself. YA
>> This guy assisted in the circuitry for the rover, nasa.
>> I took this concept to another value and started building phosphorous
>> hho cells. endothermic exothermic !
>> Any way hopes this helps.
>> Really should have its own thread or forum I always thought.
>>
>> Bart
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> *From:* [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
>> <[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected]> on behalf of
>> Warren Keillor [email protected]
>> <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY]
>> <[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected]>
>> *Sent:* January 19, 2019 10:16 AM
>> *To:* [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
>> *Subject:* Re: [EVGRAY] plasma magnet
>>  
>>  
>>
>> Bart
>>
>> Years ago, you made up a prototype experiment, using a rotor, with
>> slanted magnets, much like some self runners seem to be displaying.
>> Perhaps, it might be re-cycled, using these new magnets, with that
>> heat, cold, function, when driven?
>> The trick is to see exactly where this heat, and cold actually
>> appear, in order to exploit this phenomenon.
>> Then measuring how much energy is detected, and how much energy was
>> used to make it happen needs to be tested.
>> Designing a good test is the challenge.
>> Even if it matches contemporary refrigeration, or heating systems, it
>> might be a contender, to be competitive, if simple enough.
>> Cheers Warren
>>
>> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
>> <https://go.onelink.me/107872968?pid=InProduct&c=Global_Internal_YGrowth_AndroidEmailSig__AndroidUsers&af_wl=ym&af_sub1=Internal&af_sub2=Global_YGrowth&af_sub3=EmailSignature>
>>
>>     On Sat, 19 Jan 2019 at 8:22 AM, [email protected]
>>     <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY]
>>     <[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected]> wrote:
>>      
>>
>>     Hi Bart
>>     I think I read about this before from some info you sent, in a
>>     nutshell, a strong neodymium magnet being pushed towards the
>>     gandolimium (sp?)stuff vrestez heat, but when it pulls away it
>>     creates cold (other way around?) So its not too difficult to make
>>     something mechanical or rotating to createheatorcold or
>>     both...maybe they are using the super strong magnets now newly
>>     available Norm posted rabout recently(N60 type?)
>>     Kone
>>
>

Hi Mick,
               Ok,47000 thoughts ,all racing on each other! If only it had currency lol
Firstly ! Yes , a million builds done now by the populace and same old same old.  I do concur about the value on hyperbolic vs flat alignment.
If you go with flat you need 5500 rpm John B said to incorporate para advantages. That is difficult to do with most of these prototype takes.
When you look around in the past most any or all parabolic builds of one style or another has performed above and in some cases beyond.
Here is a  vid concurring.      Law of the squares.....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zZ8KVzDeYaI

While we are at it ask yourself why does not the trans former do what the magnet does?
By answering these types of questions will get us closer once again.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWJzicbQ4ew

More to come
Bart

________________________________
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY] <[email protected]>
Sent: January 19, 2019 7:02 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [EVGRAY] plasma magnet



Hi Bart,

I was thinking today about Kone's motor.  Lately I have been having quite a bit of thoughts on the reactivity of spin, magnetic moments and how the angular momentum affects torsion field forces between different types of metals that could be construed as spin batteries.  Anyhow to make a long story short an added function to the Muller type designs could be another rotor containing bismuth, once spinning this should create a paramagnetic kick to the repulsive forces as paramagnets repulse both mag poles.  A further design along these studies could undertake rotors and stators that are designed to produce asymmetric serpentine flux fields rather than standard circular ones.  This might require camming or some sort of eccentric shaft with a star layout in order that the magnets sweep around the coils imparting a spin component.  The layouts could be derived from Chladni geometry of sound frequencies based on the intended RPM of the designs.

Speaking of your flow battery another constant thought is a battery design utilizing the states of water as hydronium and hydroxide with some kind of proton exchange mechanism, perhaps a membrane or something else entirely allowing for storage of electricity in a bipolar water ion design.  You would have much more knowledge of the interactions between these states of water and perhaps know how to tap this fuel cell type energy in a liquid state.

Your phosphorus experiments sound fascinating.

When we look at an oscilloscope displaying sine waves and only observing the x-y many are forgetting this is actually a 3d hyperbolic field being represented in 2d.  As the brilliant Schauberger pointed out nature works in spirals.  It is interesting to note his water gating and Tesla's one way valve are essentially exactly the same design.  Tesla also thought in 3d about hyperbolic flow.  We are almost there but I think what many designs are just short of is properly incorporating the spin component to imbue a hyperbolic flux rather than circular flux pattern!



On 1/19/2019 5:20 PM, bart woodard [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:


Doug, Warren, Mick, Norman ...others

On my personnel wall of shame , there are many missises, some or most all I struggle to throw out.  lol This is one!
I am thinking, lets get Dougs toy to do some thing! (( I am currently renoing another house and building a table top water machine for market sales intentions)
(Some thing HD would have been best for!))

For Doug maybe a bigger rotor with some peltiers stuck on a piece of glass taped to an exterior window , some small copper tanks,

https://www.ebay.com/p/Copper-Water-Cooling-Block-for-Heat-Sink-Cooled-GPU-CPU-Radiator-Liquid-Heatsink/1176150367

Set up for two tanks separated and isolated from each other (adjustable resistance) with small tanks for each side of the rotor tank set up.
By isolating them from each other you can create a flow battery like I said to you once Doug.
Hence the in floor heating as a flowing battery concept.( I was once to do this with Warrens Mike but never happened.)
You would find better results with one side of the rotor north and the other south in my experience.
But not sure if this works for you on your current build so think on this how to make it work best for you.
With your now set up Doug you are close and the parts are somewhat affordable. It would be fun!
Get to a good enough value for HD to manufacturer in the end possibly.
Get it cranking enough and the values of neutrons and some gamma can come in to play to please everyone.
Hence a gain on hysteriousness. Get enough going and its like John B said ...... its a free working fan as well! lol
Warren its like Norman says... collect and build everything possible in the attempt to maintain desired heat values.
By creating a flow battery you can use it on leds  or let it flow out to btu values .

This should have been mine!  oh well!!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VonUp5Wicwk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BMY2CbSodGk


Here is another rant!
Warren I picked at John B as much as possible , one question after another repeatedly. So I got little pieces of various projects through out our stay.
John felt compelled to help me this way as he was not going to assist in helping the ferro inverter work.
On my visits and many stays to Northern Finland I would go to Rovaniemi or Lapland.
Way up North at night you can see phosphorous  lights going off and on like miniature leds in the hillside or mountains they call them.
I asked John what was the phosphorous material Henry Moray was collecting?
Johns answer was , its really just phosphorous values with in elements and you can find value in almost anything except some have a better value than others.
He said we used to build our components way back when actually when we wanted particular values. Said he would go out in Nevada or anywhere and look for various elements.
So it was another head scratcher.  I put it in under my hat for a later play.
I will not say a name , but later I witnessed just this being done.
This guy has a case of clinically depression, I did not know at the time what this was only thought a couple beers is all he needed.
The wife said no he will not get better with a couple of beers.
So here .. he took apart a timer , not sure which model, the ones highly used in joule thief circuits.
He took the timer apart and sprinkled or placed some thorium on it I think it was.
Then put it in the oven for ten minutes or so. He seemed to know when was long enough.
When he took it out and it cooled down it pretty much ran itself. YA
This guy assisted in the circuitry for the rover, nasa.
I took this concept to another value and started building phosphorous hho cells. endothermic exothermic !
Any way hopes this helps.
Really should have its own thread or forum I always thought.

Bart

________________________________
From: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> <[email protected]><mailto:[email protected]> on behalf of Warren Keillor [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] <[email protected]><mailto:[email protected]>
Sent: January 19, 2019 10:16 AM
To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [EVGRAY] plasma magnet



Bart

Years ago, you made up a prototype experiment, using a rotor, with slanted magnets, much like some self runners seem to be displaying.
Perhaps, it might be re-cycled, using these new magnets, with that heat, cold, function, when driven?
The trick is to see exactly where this heat, and cold actually appear, in order to exploit this phenomenon.
Then measuring how much energy is detected, and how much energy was used to make it happen needs to be tested.
Designing a good test is the challenge.
Even if it matches contemporary refrigeration, or heating systems, it might be a contender, to be competitive, if simple enough.
Cheers Warren

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On Sat, 19 Jan 2019 at 8:22 AM, [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY]
<[email protected]><mailto:[email protected]> wrote:


Hi Bart
I think I read about this before from some info you sent, in a nutshell, a strong neodymium magnet being pushed towards the gandolimium (sp?)stuff vrestez heat, but when it pulls away it creates cold (other way around?) So its not too difficult to make something mechanical or rotating to createheatorcold or both...maybe they are using the super strong magnets now newly available Norm posted rabout recently(N60 type?)
Kone

Mick,
  I do not know any insights on the Searl  e   .  Only what I have read several years back and really do not see a lot of value in whats not always shown
or else I am sure we would see and hear of more of them. Yes this example has ceramics not sure if needed in the immediate design but maybe an
isolate  is needed maybe not, I guess it would pend on whether or not needed.
Perhaps yourself could come up with an example as your thoughts or scratch out a design ?
Maybe more of a tube like design enclosing the outer portion of the build.
The copper solid value in the vid edarrel just posted shows the mag semi floating before impact.
If it is raised high  enough then it will hit on a corner or edge first on impact.
With enough mags engaging the copper mass it will create hysteriousness the same reaction as the gadolinium .
The reason the magnet has value over the transformer I think is due to the fact of the type of electricity the transformer is producing.
As the mag is an ion field it has different principles.
Scratch some thing out!


________________________________
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY] <[email protected]>
Sent: January 19, 2019 10:34 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [EVGRAY] plasma magnet



Bart,

Very true mucho thoughts... ok bastante...   Anyways there is likely no spin on the electromagnet while the ceramics have the integrated conics.   Sorry to overwhelm with more concepts but it seems to me the number one factor being left out of the designs.  When we look at materials, integer spins, magnetic moments etc it seems self evident this is how nature designs so...

Not sure what to think of old Searl who used to be Searle, many years and dollars and nothing.  Perhaps you could distill down what you think is relevant data or pertinent to the  appurtenant gibberish?
I knew a person who ran into him when he arrived in te USA and told this person all he needed was a few parts machined and some magnets purchased and 100 percent no question it would work.  Well the person paid for the parts and machining and was not a happy camper subsequently.

On 1/19/2019 9:54 PM, bart woodard [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:


Hi Mick,
               Ok,47000 thoughts ,all racing on each other! If only it had currency lol
Firstly ! Yes , a million builds done now by the populace and same old same old.  I do concur about the value on hyperbolic vs flat alignment.
If you go with flat you need 5500 rpm John B said to incorporate para advantages. That is difficult to do with most of these prototype takes.
When you look around in the past most any or all parabolic builds of one style or another has performed above and in some cases beyond.
Here is a  vid concurring.      Law of the squares.....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zZ8KVzDeYaI

While we are at it ask yourself why does not the trans former do what the magnet does?
By answering these types of questions will get us closer once again.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWJzicbQ4ew

More to come
Bart

________________________________
From: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> <[email protected]><mailto:[email protected]> on behalf of Mick [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] <[email protected]><mailto:[email protected]>
Sent: January 19, 2019 7:02 PM
To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [EVGRAY] plasma magnet



Hi Bart,

I was thinking today about Kone's motor.  Lately I have been having quite a bit of thoughts on the reactivity of spin, magnetic moments and how the angular momentum affects torsion field forces between different types of metals that could be construed as spin batteries.  Anyhow to make a long story short an added function to the Muller type designs could be another rotor containing bismuth, once spinning this should create a paramagnetic kick to the repulsive forces as paramagnets repulse both mag poles.  A further design along these studies could undertake rotors and stators that are designed to produce asymmetric serpentine flux fields rather than standard circular ones.  This might require camming or some sort of eccentric shaft with a star layout in order that the magnets sweep around the coils imparting a spin component.  The layouts could be derived from Chladni geometry of sound frequencies based on the intended RPM of the designs.

Speaking of your flow battery another constant thought is a battery design utilizing the states of water as hydronium and hydroxide with some kind of proton exchange mechanism, perhaps a membrane or something else entirely allowing for storage of electricity in a bipolar water ion design.  You would have much more knowledge of the interactions between these states of water and perhaps know how to tap this fuel cell type energy in a liquid state.

Your phosphorus experiments sound fascinating.

When we look at an oscilloscope displaying sine waves and only observing the x-y many are forgetting this is actually a 3d hyperbolic field being represented in 2d.  As the brilliant Schauberger pointed out nature works in spirals.  It is interesting to note his water gating and Tesla's one way valve are essentially exactly the same design.  Tesla also thought in 3d about hyperbolic flow.  We are almost there but I think what many designs are just short of is properly incorporating the spin component to imbue a hyperbolic flux rather than circular flux pattern!



On 1/19/2019 5:20 PM, bart woodard [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:

Doug, Warren, Mick, Norman ...others

On my personnel wall of shame , there are many missises, some or most all I struggle to throw out.  lol This is one!
I am thinking, lets get Dougs toy to do some thing! (( I am currently renoing another house and building a table top water machine for market sales intentions)
(Some thing HD would have been best for!))

For Doug maybe a bigger rotor with some peltiers stuck on a piece of glass taped to an exterior window , some small copper tanks,

https://www.ebay.com/p/Copper-Water-Cooling-Block-for-Heat-Sink-Cooled-GPU-CPU-Radiator-Liquid-Heatsink/1176150367

Set up for two tanks separated and isolated from each other (adjustable resistance) with small tanks for each side of the rotor tank set up.
By isolating them from each other you can create a flow battery like I said to you once Doug.
Hence the in floor heating as a flowing battery concept.( I was once to do this with Warrens Mike but never happened.)
You would find better results with one side of the rotor north and the other south in my experience.
But not sure if this works for you on your current build so think on this how to make it work best for you.
With your now set up Doug you are close and the parts are somewhat affordable. It would be fun!
Get to a good enough value for HD to manufacturer in the end possibly.
Get it cranking enough and the values of neutrons and some gamma can come in to play to please everyone.
Hence a gain on hysteriousness. Get enough going and its like John B said ...... its a free working fan as well! lol
Warren its like Norman says... collect and build everything possible in the attempt to maintain desired heat values.
By creating a flow battery you can use it on leds  or let it flow out to btu values .

This should have been mine!  oh well!!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VonUp5Wicwk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BMY2CbSodGk


Here is another rant!
Warren I picked at John B as much as possible , one question after another repeatedly. So I got little pieces of various projects through out our stay.
John felt compelled to help me this way as he was not going to assist in helping the ferro inverter work.
On my visits and many stays to Northern Finland I would go to Rovaniemi or Lapland.
Way up North at night you can see phosphorous  lights going off and on like miniature leds in the hillside or mountains they call them.
I asked John what was the phosphorous material Henry Moray was collecting?
Johns answer was , its really just phosphorous values with in elements and you can find value in almost anything except some have a better value than others.
He said we used to build our components way back when actually when we wanted particular values. Said he would go out in Nevada or anywhere and look for various elements.
So it was another head scratcher.  I put it in under my hat for a later play.
I will not say a name , but later I witnessed just this being done.
This guy has a case of clinically depression, I did not know at the time what this was only thought a couple beers is all he needed.
The wife said no he will not get better with a couple of beers.
So here .. he took apart a timer , not sure which model, the ones highly used in joule thief circuits.
He took the timer apart and sprinkled or placed some thorium on it I think it was.
Then put it in the oven for ten minutes or so. He seemed to know when was long enough.
When he took it out and it cooled down it pretty much ran itself. YA
This guy assisted in the circuitry for the rover, nasa.
I took this concept to another value and started building phosphorous hho cells. endothermic exothermic !
Any way hopes this helps.
Really should have its own thread or forum I always thought.

Bart

________________________________
From: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> <[email protected]><mailto:[email protected]> on behalf of Warren Keillor [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] <[email protected]><mailto:[email protected]>
Sent: January 19, 2019 10:16 AM
To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [EVGRAY] plasma magnet



Bart

Years ago, you made up a prototype experiment, using a rotor, with slanted magnets, much like some self runners seem to be displaying.
Perhaps, it might be re-cycled, using these new magnets, with that heat, cold, function, when driven?
The trick is to see exactly where this heat, and cold actually appear, in order to exploit this phenomenon.
Then measuring how much energy is detected, and how much energy was used to make it happen needs to be tested.
Designing a good test is the challenge.
Even if it matches contemporary refrigeration, or heating systems, it might be a contender, to be competitive, if simple enough.
Cheers Warren

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On Sat, 19 Jan 2019 at 8:22 AM, [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY]
<[email protected]><mailto:[email protected]> wrote:


Hi Bart
I think I read about this before from some info you sent, in a nutshell, a strong neodymium magnet being pushed towards the gandolimium (sp?)stuff vrestez heat, but when it pulls away it creates cold (other way around?) So its not too difficult to make something mechanical or rotating to createheatorcold or both...maybe they are using the super strong magnets now newly available Norm posted rabout recently(N60 type?)
Kone

HI Mick,
Sorry  I had more time to reread your reply. Seems I misunderstood it.
Yes I think the mag has an ongoing vortexing over laying continuous flow showing a stable continuous environment of equal like waves. There by able to grasp the willing sub like temporarily alignment .I lost everything in a fire some time back so I shall restock again. Thinking of making a couple of designs up.
On the quick. There needs to be some math on this .
Quantum would be nice.
First I will get in materials then measure some push pull values.
Bart


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-------- Original message --------
From: "bart woodard [email protected] [EVGRAY]" <[email protected]>
Date: 2019-01-19 11:11 PM (GMT-05:00)
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [EVGRAY] plasma magnet



Mick,
  I do not know any insights on the Searl  e   .  Only what I have read several years back and really do not see a lot of value in whats not always shown
or else I am sure we would see and hear of more of them. Yes this example has ceramics not sure if needed in the immediate design but maybe an
isolate  is needed maybe not, I guess it would pend on whether or not needed.
Perhaps yourself could come up with an example as your thoughts or scratch out a design ?
Maybe more of a tube like design enclosing the outer portion of the build.
The copper solid value in the vid edarrel just posted shows the mag semi floating before impact.
If it is raised high  enough then it will hit on a corner or edge first on impact.
With enough mags engaging the copper mass it will create hysteriousness the same reaction as the gadolinium .
The reason the magnet has value over the transformer I think is due to the fact of the type of electricity the transformer is producing.
As the mag is an ion field it has different principles.
Scratch some thing out!


________________________________
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY] <[email protected]>
Sent: January 19, 2019 10:34 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [EVGRAY] plasma magnet



Bart,

Very true mucho thoughts... ok bastante...   Anyways there is likely no spin on the electromagnet while the ceramics have the integrated conics.   Sorry to overwhelm with more concepts but it seems to me the number one factor being left out of the designs.  When we look at materials, integer spins, magnetic moments etc it seems self evident this is how nature designs so...

Not sure what to think of old Searl who used to be Searle, many years and dollars and nothing.  Perhaps you could distill down what you think is relevant data or pertinent to the  appurtenant gibberish?
I knew a person who ran into him when he arrived in te USA and told this person all he needed was a few parts machined and some magnets purchased and 100 percent no question it would work.  Well the person paid for the parts and machining and was not a happy camper subsequently.

On 1/19/2019 9:54 PM, bart woodard [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:


Hi Mick,
               Ok,47000 thoughts ,all racing on each other! If only it had currency lol
Firstly ! Yes , a million builds done now by the populace and same old same old.  I do concur about the value on hyperbolic vs flat alignment.
If you go with flat you need 5500 rpm John B said to incorporate para advantages. That is difficult to do with most of these prototype takes.
When you look around in the past most any or all parabolic builds of one style or another has performed above and in some cases beyond.
Here is a  vid concurring.      Law of the squares.....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zZ8KVzDeYaI

While we are at it ask yourself why does not the trans former do what the magnet does?
By answering these types of questions will get us closer once again.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWJzicbQ4ew

More to come
Bart

________________________________
From: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> <[email protected]><mailto:[email protected]> on behalf of Mick [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] <[email protected]><mailto:[email protected]>
Sent: January 19, 2019 7:02 PM
To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [EVGRAY] plasma magnet



Hi Bart,

I was thinking today about Kone's motor.  Lately I have been having quite a bit of thoughts on the reactivity of spin, magnetic moments and how the angular momentum affects torsion field forces between different types of metals that could be construed as spin batteries.  Anyhow to make a long story short an added function to the Muller type designs could be another rotor containing bismuth, once spinning this should create a paramagnetic kick to the repulsive forces as paramagnets repulse both mag poles.  A further design along these studies could undertake rotors and stators that are designed to produce asymmetric serpentine flux fields rather than standard circular ones.  This might require camming or some sort of eccentric shaft with a star layout in order that the magnets sweep around the coils imparting a spin component.  The layouts could be derived from Chladni geometry of sound frequencies based on the intended RPM of the designs.

Speaking of your flow battery another constant thought is a battery design utilizing the states of water as hydronium and hydroxide with some kind of proton exchange mechanism, perhaps a membrane or something else entirely allowing for storage of electricity in a bipolar water ion design.  You would have much more knowledge of the interactions between these states of water and perhaps know how to tap this fuel cell type energy in a liquid state.

Your phosphorus experiments sound fascinating.

When we look at an oscilloscope displaying sine waves and only observing the x-y many are forgetting this is actually a 3d hyperbolic field being represented in 2d.  As the brilliant Schauberger pointed out nature works in spirals.  It is interesting to note his water gating and Tesla's one way valve are essentially exactly the same design.  Tesla also thought in 3d about hyperbolic flow.  We are almost there but I think what many designs are just short of is properly incorporating the spin component to imbue a hyperbolic flux rather than circular flux pattern!



On 1/19/2019 5:20 PM, bart woodard [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:

Doug, Warren, Mick, Norman ...others

On my personnel wall of shame , there are many missises, some or most all I struggle to throw out.  lol This is one!
I am thinking, lets get Dougs toy to do some thing! (( I am currently renoing another house and building a table top water machine for market sales intentions)
(Some thing HD would have been best for!))

For Doug maybe a bigger rotor with some peltiers stuck on a piece of glass taped to an exterior window , some small copper tanks,

https://www.ebay.com/p/Copper-Water-Cooling-Block-for-Heat-Sink-Cooled-GPU-CPU-Radiator-Liquid-Heatsink/1176150367

Set up for two tanks separated and isolated from each other (adjustable resistance) with small tanks for each side of the rotor tank set up.
By isolating them from each other you can create a flow battery like I said to you once Doug.
Hence the in floor heating as a flowing battery concept.( I was once to do this with Warrens Mike but never happened.)
You would find better results with one side of the rotor north and the other south in my experience.
But not sure if this works for you on your current build so think on this how to make it work best for you.
With your now set up Doug you are close and the parts are somewhat affordable. It would be fun!
Get to a good enough value for HD to manufacturer in the end possibly.
Get it cranking enough and the values of neutrons and some gamma can come in to play to please everyone.
Hence a gain on hysteriousness. Get enough going and its like John B said ...... its a free working fan as well! lol
Warren its like Norman says... collect and build everything possible in the attempt to maintain desired heat values.
By creating a flow battery you can use it on leds  or let it flow out to btu values .

This should have been mine!  oh well!!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VonUp5Wicwk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BMY2CbSodGk


Here is another rant!
Warren I picked at John B as much as possible , one question after another repeatedly. So I got little pieces of various projects through out our stay.
John felt compelled to help me this way as he was not going to assist in helping the ferro inverter work.
On my visits and many stays to Northern Finland I would go to Rovaniemi or Lapland.
Way up North at night you can see phosphorous  lights going off and on like miniature leds in the hillside or mountains they call them.
I asked John what was the phosphorous material Henry Moray was collecting?
Johns answer was , its really just phosphorous values with in elements and you can find value in almost anything except some have a better value than others.
He said we used to build our components way back when actually when we wanted particular values. Said he would go out in Nevada or anywhere and look for various elements.
So it was another head scratcher.  I put it in under my hat for a later play.
I will not say a name , but later I witnessed just this being done.
This guy has a case of clinically depression, I did not know at the time what this was only thought a couple beers is all he needed.
The wife said no he will not get better with a couple of beers.
So here .. he took apart a timer , not sure which model, the ones highly used in joule thief circuits.
He took the timer apart and sprinkled or placed some thorium on it I think it was.
Then put it in the oven for ten minutes or so. He seemed to know when was long enough.
When he took it out and it cooled down it pretty much ran itself. YA
This guy assisted in the circuitry for the rover, nasa.
I took this concept to another value and started building phosphorous hho cells. endothermic exothermic !
Any way hopes this helps.
Really should have its own thread or forum I always thought.

Bart

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Sent: January 19, 2019 10:16 AM
To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [EVGRAY] plasma magnet



Bart

Years ago, you made up a prototype experiment, using a rotor, with slanted magnets, much like some self runners seem to be displaying.
Perhaps, it might be re-cycled, using these new magnets, with that heat, cold, function, when driven?
The trick is to see exactly where this heat, and cold actually appear, in order to exploit this phenomenon.
Then measuring how much energy is detected, and how much energy was used to make it happen needs to be tested.
Designing a good test is the challenge.
Even if it matches contemporary refrigeration, or heating systems, it might be a contender, to be competitive, if simple enough.
Cheers Warren

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On Sat, 19 Jan 2019 at 8:22 AM, [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY]
<[email protected]><mailto:[email protected]> wrote:


Hi Bart
I think I read about this before from some info you sent, in a nutshell, a strong neodymium magnet being pushed towards the gandolimium (sp?)stuff vrestez heat, but when it pulls away it creates cold (other way around?) So its not too difficult to make something mechanical or rotating to createheatorcold or both...maybe they are using the super strong magnets now newly available Norm posted rabout recently(N60 type?)
Kone

Bart,

The posting I put up from Howard Johnson where he and someone else used
a hall sensor on some type of CNC mutiposition platform hooked to a
puter and mapped the flux lines around magnets is amazing.  We have been
reading books for years only based on the flawed iron filing flux
paths!  One of his inventions is a flux gate where he makes a rectangle
of mags and places a rubber mag on one side to block the other pole.

On 1/20/2019 1:19 AM, bart woodard [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>  
>
> HI Mick, 
> Sorry  I had more time to reread your reply. Seems I misunderstood it.
> Yes I think the mag has an ongoing vortexing over laying continuous
> flow showing a stable continuous environment of equal like waves.
> There by able to grasp the willing sub like temporarily alignment .I
> lost everything in a fire some time back so I shall restock again.
> Thinking of making a couple of designs up.
> On the quick. There needs to be some math on this .
> Quantum would be nice.
> First I will get in materials then measure some push pull values. 
> Bart
>
>
> Sent from my Bell Samsung device over Canada's largest network.
>
>
> -------- Original message --------
> From: "bart woodard [email protected] [EVGRAY]" <[email protected]>
> Date: 2019-01-19 11:11 PM (GMT-05:00)
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: [EVGRAY] plasma magnet
>
>  
> Mick,
>   I do not know any insights on the Searl  e   .  Only what I have
> read several years back and really do not see a lot of value in whats
> not always shown
> or else I am sure we would see and hear of more of them. Yes this
> example has ceramics not sure if needed in the immediate design but
> maybe an
> isolate  is needed maybe not, I guess it would pend on whether or not
> needed.
> Perhaps yourself could come up with an example as your thoughts or
> scratch out a design ?
> Maybe more of a tube like design enclosing the outer portion of the build.
> The copper solid value in the vid edarrel just posted shows the mag
> semi floating before impact.
> If it is raised high  enough then it will hit on a corner or edge
> first on impact.
> With enough mags engaging the copper mass it will create
> hysteriousness the same reaction as the gadolinium .
> The reason the magnet has value over the transformer I think is due to
> the fact of the type of electricity the transformer is producing.
> As the mag is an ion field it has different principles.
> Scratch some thing out!
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From:* [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of
> Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY] <[email protected]>
> *Sent:* January 19, 2019 10:34 PM
> *To:* [email protected]
> *Subject:* Re: [EVGRAY] plasma magnet
>  
>  
>
> Bart,
>
> Very true mucho thoughts... ok bastante...   Anyways there is likely
> no spin on the electromagnet while the ceramics have the integrated
> conics.   Sorry to overwhelm with more concepts but it seems to me the
> number one factor being left out of the designs.  When we look at
> materials, integer spins, magnetic moments etc it seems self evident
> this is how nature designs so...
>
> Not sure what to think of old Searl who used to be Searle, many years
> and dollars and nothing.  Perhaps you could distill down what you
> think is relevant data or pertinent to the  appurtenant gibberish?
> I knew a person who ran into him when he arrived in te USA and told
> this person all he needed was a few parts machined and some magnets
> purchased and 100 percent no question it would work.  Well the person
> paid for the parts and machining and was not a happy camper subsequently.
>
> On 1/19/2019 9:54 PM, bart woodard [email protected]
> <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>  
>> Hi Mick,
>>                Ok,47000 thoughts ,all racing on each other! If only
>> it had currency lol
>> Firstly ! Yes , a million builds done now by the populace and same
>> old same old.  I do concur about the value on hyperbolic vs flat
>> alignment.
>> If you go with flat you need 5500 rpm John B said to incorporate para
>> advantages. That is difficult to do with most of these prototype takes.
>> When you look around in the past most any or all parabolic builds of
>> one style or another has performed above and in some cases beyond.
>> Here is a  vid concurring.      Law of the squares.....
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zZ8KVzDeYaI
>>
>> While we are at it ask yourself why does not the trans former do what
>> the magnet does?
>> By answering these types of questions will get us closer once again.
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWJzicbQ4ew
>>
>> More to come
>> Bart
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> *From:* [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
>> <[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected]> on behalf of
>> Mick [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY]
>> <[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected]>
>> *Sent:* January 19, 2019 7:02 PM
>> *To:* [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
>> *Subject:* Re: [EVGRAY] plasma magnet
>>  
>>  
>>
>> Hi Bart,
>>
>> I was thinking today about Kone's motor.  Lately I have been having
>> quite a bit of thoughts on the reactivity of spin, magnetic moments
>> and how the angular momentum affects torsion field forces between
>> different types of metals that could be construed as spin batteries. 
>> Anyhow to make a long story short an added function to the Muller
>> type designs could be another rotor containing bismuth, once spinning
>> this should create a paramagnetic kick to the repulsive forces as
>> paramagnets repulse both mag poles.  A further design along these
>> studies could undertake rotors and stators that are designed to
>> produce asymmetric serpentine flux fields rather than standard
>> circular ones.  This might require camming or some sort of eccentric
>> shaft with a star layout in order that the magnets sweep around the
>> coils imparting a spin component.  The layouts could be derived from
>> Chladni geometry of sound frequencies based on the intended RPM of
>> the designs.
>>
>> Speaking of your flow battery another constant thought is a battery
>> design utilizing the states of water as hydronium and hydroxide with
>> some kind of proton exchange mechanism, perhaps a membrane or
>> something else entirely allowing for storage of electricity in a
>> bipolar water ion design.  You would have much more knowledge of the
>> interactions between these states of water and perhaps know how to
>> tap this fuel cell type energy in a liquid state.
>>
>> Your phosphorus experiments sound fascinating.
>>
>> When we look at an oscilloscope displaying sine waves and only
>> observing the x-y many are forgetting this is actually a 3d
>> hyperbolic field being represented in 2d.  As the brilliant
>> Schauberger pointed out nature works in spirals.  It is interesting
>> to note his water gating and Tesla's one way valve are essentially
>> exactly the same design.  Tesla also thought in 3d about hyperbolic
>> flow.  We are almost there but I think what many designs are just
>> short of is properly incorporating the spin component to imbue a
>> hyperbolic flux rather than circular flux pattern!
>>
>>
>>
>> On 1/19/2019 5:20 PM, bart woodard [email protected]
>> <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>  
>>> Doug, Warren, Mick, Norman ...others
>>>
>>> On my personnel wall of shame , there are many missises, some or
>>> most all I struggle to throw out.  lol This is one!
>>> I am thinking, lets get Dougs toy to do some thing! (( I am
>>> currently renoing another house and building a table top water
>>> machine for market sales intentions)
>>> (Some thing HD would have been best for!))
>>>
>>> For Doug maybe a bigger rotor with some peltiers stuck on a piece of
>>> glass taped to an exterior window , some small copper tanks,
>>>
>>> https://www.ebay.com/p/Copper-Water-Cooling-Block-for-Heat-Sink-Cooled-GPU-CPU-Radiator-Liquid-Heatsink/1176150367
>>>
>>> Set up for two tanks separated and isolated from each other
>>> (adjustable resistance) with small tanks for each side of the rotor
>>> tank set up.
>>> By isolating them from each other you can create a flow battery like
>>> I said to you once Doug.
>>> Hence the in floor heating as a flowing battery concept.( I was once
>>> to do this with Warrens Mike but never happened.)
>>> You would find better results with one side of the rotor north and
>>> the other south in my experience.
>>> But not sure if this works for you on your current build so think on
>>> this how to make it work best for you.
>>> With your now set up Doug you are close and the parts are somewhat
>>> affordable. It would be fun!
>>> Get to a good enough value for HD to manufacturer in the end possibly.
>>> Get it cranking enough and the values of neutrons and some gamma can
>>> come in to play to please everyone.
>>> Hence a gain on hysteriousness. Get enough going and its like John B
>>> said ...... its a free working fan as well! lol
>>> Warren its like Norman says... collect and build everything possible
>>> in the attempt to maintain desired heat values.
>>> By creating a flow battery you can use it on leds  or let it flow
>>> out to btu values .
>>>
>>> This should have been mine!  oh well!!!
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VonUp5Wicwk
>>>
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BMY2CbSodGk
>>>
>>>
>>> Here is another rant!
>>> Warren I picked at John B as much as possible , one question after
>>> another repeatedly. So I got little pieces of various projects
>>> through out our stay.
>>> John felt compelled to help me this way as he was not going to
>>> assist in helping the ferro inverter work.
>>> On my visits and many stays to Northern Finland I would go to
>>> Rovaniemi or Lapland.
>>> Way up North at night you can see phosphorous  lights going off and
>>> on like miniature leds in the hillside or mountains they call them. 
>>> I asked John what was the phosphorous material Henry Moray was
>>> collecting?
>>> Johns answer was , its really just phosphorous values with in
>>> elements and you can find value in almost anything except some have
>>> a better value than others.
>>> He said we used to build our components way back when actually when
>>> we wanted particular values. Said he would go out in Nevada or
>>> anywhere and look for various elements.
>>> So it was another head scratcher.  I put it in under my hat for a
>>> later play.
>>> I will not say a name , but later I witnessed just this being done.
>>> This guy has a case of clinically depression, I did not know at the
>>> time what this was only thought a couple beers is all he needed.
>>> The wife said no he will not get better with a couple of beers.
>>> So here .. he took apart a timer , not sure which model, the ones
>>> highly used in joule thief circuits.
>>> He took the timer apart and sprinkled or placed some thorium on it I
>>> think it was.
>>> Then put it in the oven for ten minutes or so. He seemed to know
>>> when was long enough.
>>> When he took it out and it cooled down it pretty much ran itself. YA
>>> This guy assisted in the circuitry for the rover, nasa.
>>> I took this concept to another value and started building
>>> phosphorous hho cells. endothermic exothermic !
>>> Any way hopes this helps.
>>> Really should have its own thread or forum I always thought.
>>>
>>> Bart
>>>
>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> *From:* [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
>>> <[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected]> on behalf
>>> of Warren Keillor [email protected]
>>> <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY]
>>> <[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected]>
>>> *Sent:* January 19, 2019 10:16 AM
>>> *To:* [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [EVGRAY] plasma magnet
>>>  
>>>  
>>>
>>> Bart
>>>
>>> Years ago, you made up a prototype experiment, using a rotor, with
>>> slanted magnets, much like some self runners seem to be displaying.
>>> Perhaps, it might be re-cycled, using these new magnets, with that
>>> heat, cold, function, when driven?
>>> The trick is to see exactly where this heat, and cold actually
>>> appear, in order to exploit this phenomenon.
>>> Then measuring how much energy is detected, and how much energy was
>>> used to make it happen needs to be tested.
>>> Designing a good test is the challenge.
>>> Even if it matches contemporary refrigeration, or heating systems,
>>> it might be a contender, to be competitive, if simple enough.
>>> Cheers Warren
>>>
>>> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
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>>>
>>>     On Sat, 19 Jan 2019 at 8:22 AM, [email protected]
>>>     <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY]
>>>     <[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected]> wrote:
>>>      
>>>
>>>     Hi Bart
>>>     I think I read about this before from some info you sent, in a
>>>     nutshell, a strong neodymium magnet being pushed towards the
>>>     gandolimium (sp?)stuff vrestez heat, but when it pulls away it
>>>     creates cold (other way around?) So its not too difficult to
>>>     make something mechanical or rotating to createheatorcold or
>>>     both...maybe they are using the super strong magnets now newly
>>>     available Norm posted rabout recently(N60 type?)
>>>     Kone
>>>
>

Bart,

As far as drawing something up the original idea of the unit becomes too
complex to really do properly with multiple coils.  At first I was
thinking of a pair of  disks bent into a wave so the magnets could no
only spin past the coils but also sweep around.  Again even that gets
too complex after about 3 coil sets and to do properly the magnets would
need to rid on driven bearing tracks.   Really the only way to do it
right without insane inertial mass issues is with plasma or ferrofluid. 
OK someone said that moving a coil is better than moving the magnet,
perhaps Kromrey.   I can now see how this makes sense as a coil is
already a vortex shape.  The difficult part is creating the vortex and
then continuing it without braking it.

When I get back to the states I will continue with the plasma tubes I
was working with before when all the electronics cooked.

Sorry about your house, I hope no one was hurt and no pets were lost,
what was the cause?   Can you go a bit more in depth about what you
pried out of Bedini concerning the minimal RPM five thousand something
or what he said about paramagnets?

I think Bedini was conflicted character even before the threats and
while he gave us a lot he also kept many secrets.  I wonder did he have
organized lab notes and if so where are they now.

On 1/20/2019 1:19 AM, bart woodard [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>  
>
> HI Mick, 
> Sorry  I had more time to reread your reply. Seems I misunderstood it.
> Yes I think the mag has an ongoing vortexing over laying continuous
> flow showing a stable continuous environment of equal like waves.
> There by able to grasp the willing sub like temporarily alignment .I
> lost everything in a fire some time back so I shall restock again.
> Thinking of making a couple of designs up.
> On the quick. There needs to be some math on this .
> Quantum would be nice.
> First I will get in materials then measure some push pull values. 
> Bart
>
>
> Sent from my Bell Samsung device over Canada's largest network.
>
>
> -------- Original message --------
> From: "bart woodard [email protected] [EVGRAY]" <[email protected]>
> Date: 2019-01-19 11:11 PM (GMT-05:00)
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: [EVGRAY] plasma magnet
>
>  
> Mick,
>   I do not know any insights on the Searl  e   .  Only what I have
> read several years back and really do not see a lot of value in whats
> not always shown
> or else I am sure we would see and hear of more of them. Yes this
> example has ceramics not sure if needed in the immediate design but
> maybe an
> isolate  is needed maybe not, I guess it would pend on whether or not
> needed.
> Perhaps yourself could come up with an example as your thoughts or
> scratch out a design ?
> Maybe more of a tube like design enclosing the outer portion of the build.
> The copper solid value in the vid edarrel just posted shows the mag
> semi floating before impact.
> If it is raised high  enough then it will hit on a corner or edge
> first on impact.
> With enough mags engaging the copper mass it will create
> hysteriousness the same reaction as the gadolinium .
> The reason the magnet has value over the transformer I think is due to
> the fact of the type of electricity the transformer is producing.
> As the mag is an ion field it has different principles.
> Scratch some thing out!
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From:* [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of
> Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY] <[email protected]>
> *Sent:* January 19, 2019 10:34 PM
> *To:* [email protected]
> *Subject:* Re: [EVGRAY] plasma magnet
>  
>  
>
> Bart,
>
> Very true mucho thoughts... ok bastante...   Anyways there is likely
> no spin on the electromagnet while the ceramics have the integrated
> conics.   Sorry to overwhelm with more concepts but it seems to me the
> number one factor being left out of the designs.  When we look at
> materials, integer spins, magnetic moments etc it seems self evident
> this is how nature designs so...
>
> Not sure what to think of old Searl who used to be Searle, many years
> and dollars and nothing.  Perhaps you could distill down what you
> think is relevant data or pertinent to the  appurtenant gibberish?
> I knew a person who ran into him when he arrived in te USA and told
> this person all he needed was a few parts machined and some magnets
> purchased and 100 percent no question it would work.  Well the person
> paid for the parts and machining and was not a happy camper subsequently.
>
> On 1/19/2019 9:54 PM, bart woodard [email protected]
> <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>  
>> Hi Mick,
>>                Ok,47000 thoughts ,all racing on each other! If only
>> it had currency lol
>> Firstly ! Yes , a million builds done now by the populace and same
>> old same old.  I do concur about the value on hyperbolic vs flat
>> alignment.
>> If you go with flat you need 5500 rpm John B said to incorporate para
>> advantages. That is difficult to do with most of these prototype takes.
>> When you look around in the past most any or all parabolic builds of
>> one style or another has performed above and in some cases beyond.
>> Here is a  vid concurring.      Law of the squares.....
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zZ8KVzDeYaI
>>
>> While we are at it ask yourself why does not the trans former do what
>> the magnet does?
>> By answering these types of questions will get us closer once again.
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWJzicbQ4ew
>>
>> More to come
>> Bart
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> *From:* [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
>> <[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected]> on behalf of
>> Mick [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY]
>> <[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected]>
>> *Sent:* January 19, 2019 7:02 PM
>> *To:* [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
>> *Subject:* Re: [EVGRAY] plasma magnet
>>  
>>  
>>
>> Hi Bart,
>>
>> I was thinking today about Kone's motor.  Lately I have been having
>> quite a bit of thoughts on the reactivity of spin, magnetic moments
>> and how the angular momentum affects torsion field forces between
>> different types of metals that could be construed as spin batteries. 
>> Anyhow to make a long story short an added function to the Muller
>> type designs could be another rotor containing bismuth, once spinning
>> this should create a paramagnetic kick to the repulsive forces as
>> paramagnets repulse both mag poles.  A further design along these
>> studies could undertake rotors and stators that are designed to
>> produce asymmetric serpentine flux fields rather than standard
>> circular ones.  This might require camming or some sort of eccentric
>> shaft with a star layout in order that the magnets sweep around the
>> coils imparting a spin component.  The layouts could be derived from
>> Chladni geometry of sound frequencies based on the intended RPM of
>> the designs.
>>
>> Speaking of your flow battery another constant thought is a battery
>> design utilizing the states of water as hydronium and hydroxide with
>> some kind of proton exchange mechanism, perhaps a membrane or
>> something else entirely allowing for storage of electricity in a
>> bipolar water ion design.  You would have much more knowledge of the
>> interactions between these states of water and perhaps know how to
>> tap this fuel cell type energy in a liquid state.
>>
>> Your phosphorus experiments sound fascinating.
>>
>> When we look at an oscilloscope displaying sine waves and only
>> observing the x-y many are forgetting this is actually a 3d
>> hyperbolic field being represented in 2d.  As the brilliant
>> Schauberger pointed out nature works in spirals.  It is interesting
>> to note his water gating and Tesla's one way valve are essentially
>> exactly the same design.  Tesla also thought in 3d about hyperbolic
>> flow.  We are almost there but I think what many designs are just
>> short of is properly incorporating the spin component to imbue a
>> hyperbolic flux rather than circular flux pattern!
>>
>>
>>
>> On 1/19/2019 5:20 PM, bart woodard [email protected]
>> <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>  
>>> Doug, Warren, Mick, Norman ...others
>>>
>>> On my personnel wall of shame , there are many missises, some or
>>> most all I struggle to throw out.  lol This is one!
>>> I am thinking, lets get Dougs toy to do some thing! (( I am
>>> currently renoing another house and building a table top water
>>> machine for market sales intentions)
>>> (Some thing HD would have been best for!))
>>>
>>> For Doug maybe a bigger rotor with some peltiers stuck on a piece of
>>> glass taped to an exterior window , some small copper tanks,
>>>
>>> https://www.ebay.com/p/Copper-Water-Cooling-Block-for-Heat-Sink-Cooled-GPU-CPU-Radiator-Liquid-Heatsink/1176150367
>>>
>>> Set up for two tanks separated and isolated from each other
>>> (adjustable resistance) with small tanks for each side of the rotor
>>> tank set up.
>>> By isolating them from each other you can create a flow battery like
>>> I said to you once Doug.
>>> Hence the in floor heating as a flowing battery concept.( I was once
>>> to do this with Warrens Mike but never happened.)
>>> You would find better results with one side of the rotor north and
>>> the other south in my experience.
>>> But not sure if this works for you on your current build so think on
>>> this how to make it work best for you.
>>> With your now set up Doug you are close and the parts are somewhat
>>> affordable. It would be fun!
>>> Get to a good enough value for HD to manufacturer in the end possibly.
>>> Get it cranking enough and the values of neutrons and some gamma can
>>> come in to play to please everyone.
>>> Hence a gain on hysteriousness. Get enough going and its like John B
>>> said ...... its a free working fan as well! lol
>>> Warren its like Norman says... collect and build everything possible
>>> in the attempt to maintain desired heat values.
>>> By creating a flow battery you can use it on leds  or let it flow
>>> out to btu values .
>>>
>>> This should have been mine!  oh well!!!
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VonUp5Wicwk
>>>
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BMY2CbSodGk
>>>
>>>
>>> Here is another rant!
>>> Warren I picked at John B as much as possible , one question after
>>> another repeatedly. So I got little pieces of various projects
>>> through out our stay.
>>> John felt compelled to help me this way as he was not going to
>>> assist in helping the ferro inverter work.
>>> On my visits and many stays to Northern Finland I would go to
>>> Rovaniemi or Lapland.
>>> Way up North at night you can see phosphorous  lights going off and
>>> on like miniature leds in the hillside or mountains they call them. 
>>> I asked John what was the phosphorous material Henry Moray was
>>> collecting?
>>> Johns answer was , its really just phosphorous values with in
>>> elements and you can find value in almost anything except some have
>>> a better value than others.
>>> He said we used to build our components way back when actually when
>>> we wanted particular values. Said he would go out in Nevada or
>>> anywhere and look for various elements.
>>> So it was another head scratcher.  I put it in under my hat for a
>>> later play.
>>> I will not say a name , but later I witnessed just this being done.
>>> This guy has a case of clinically depression, I did not know at the
>>> time what this was only thought a couple beers is all he needed.
>>> The wife said no he will not get better with a couple of beers.
>>> So here .. he took apart a timer , not sure which model, the ones
>>> highly used in joule thief circuits.
>>> He took the timer apart and sprinkled or placed some thorium on it I
>>> think it was.
>>> Then put it in the oven for ten minutes or so. He seemed to know
>>> when was long enough.
>>> When he took it out and it cooled down it pretty much ran itself. YA
>>> This guy assisted in the circuitry for the rover, nasa.
>>> I took this concept to another value and started building
>>> phosphorous hho cells. endothermic exothermic !
>>> Any way hopes this helps.
>>> Really should have its own thread or forum I always thought.
>>>
>>> Bart
>>>
>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> *From:* [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
>>> <[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected]> on behalf
>>> of Warren Keillor [email protected]
>>> <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY]
>>> <[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected]>
>>> *Sent:* January 19, 2019 10:16 AM
>>> *To:* [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [EVGRAY] plasma magnet
>>>  
>>>  
>>>
>>> Bart
>>>
>>> Years ago, you made up a prototype experiment, using a rotor, with
>>> slanted magnets, much like some self runners seem to be displaying.
>>> Perhaps, it might be re-cycled, using these new magnets, with that
>>> heat, cold, function, when driven?
>>> The trick is to see exactly where this heat, and cold actually
>>> appear, in order to exploit this phenomenon.
>>> Then measuring how much energy is detected, and how much energy was
>>> used to make it happen needs to be tested.
>>> Designing a good test is the challenge.
>>> Even if it matches contemporary refrigeration, or heating systems,
>>> it might be a contender, to be competitive, if simple enough.
>>> Cheers Warren
>>>
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>>>
>>>     On Sat, 19 Jan 2019 at 8:22 AM, [email protected]
>>>     <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY]
>>>     <[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected]> wrote:
>>>      
>>>
>>>     Hi Bart
>>>     I think I read about this before from some info you sent, in a
>>>     nutshell, a strong neodymium magnet being pushed towards the
>>>     gandolimium (sp?)stuff vrestez heat, but when it pulls away it
>>>     creates cold (other way around?) So its not too difficult to
>>>     make something mechanical or rotating to createheatorcold or
>>>     both...maybe they are using the super strong magnets now newly
>>>     available Norm posted rabout recently(N60 type?)
>>>     Kone
>>>
>

Mick,

  My first lab was on a farm I purchased in a local town called Grimsby in the early to mid 90s.   Unbeknown to me much of the land was in a low lying area called wet lands.
  It really did not seem it or look like it. After 3-4 years it happened , a flash flood completely flooding the shop making it inaccessible for a week.
So I sold it. I had a concrete company at the time with 65 personnel and was subbing from companies here like Dufferin and Ellis Don,and so on,.. so I bought another farm , more of a lease to own kind of thing, it produced peaches and pears.
That one got broken into and the police found the truck on a back road with every thing demolished or stolen.
       So this time   I had my lab at my machine shop guys place. He is a retired master from GM.  He and his wife live  outside of the city.
He felt the need one night three years ago to melt some ice with a roof torch blower thing , then went to bed !  lol
Only to wake up with the fire department banging on his door 2015???.
Before this I felt it best to sell my house in 2012 (I think) It was  after an incident with a hho cell exploding lol.   An assistant  I had with me had removed the flash back arrestor
with out my notice and I fired up a gen then off she went!   The cell was producing 250lbs on demand.    It shook the escarpment all the way to the north pole lol.
They shut down the city, the malls, schools etc. Blocked off the street, two helicopters in the air etc.
    My wife says she counted 45 emergency personnel on the front lawn. ha ha ha .
No one was hurt or injured but they made me go to emerg anyway.
I remember wanting to build every thing John had. Playing with an old cathode tv ,trying to analyze the pretty colours, even developing the the plastic magnet with crazy values of input 35000v @ 200amp I think.
The neighbor said I could use her 220 plug mostly because I had just did an addition for her lol.  So 2- 220 services with an transformer multiple was to do it with a modified stove I
had concocted up. I even had a Faraday cage suit make shifted.   Once the neighbors started to get inquisitive the wife heard it and I got shut down. lol
So no plastic magnet!
I think???  John saying 5500 rpm was on one of his vids he was making.  Also maybe he said the Kromrey did not need that rpm when we chatted, not sure only recall the chat on permanent vs ferro mags same kind on the wheel I think??
Maybe because of its configuration?? dunno! Never really got to play with it the way you would want to.
 On a design.... maybe some thing cylindrical!!

Bart

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY] <[email protected]>
Sent: January 20, 2019 9:37 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [EVGRAY] plasma magnet



Bart,

As far as drawing something up the original idea of the unit becomes too complex to really do properly with multiple coils.  At first I was thinking of a pair of  disks bent into a wave so the magnets could no only spin past the coils but also sweep around.  Again even that gets too complex after about 3 coil sets and to do properly the magnets would need to rid on driven bearing tracks.   Really the only way to do it right without insane inertial mass issues is with plasma or ferrofluid.  OK someone said that moving a coil is better than moving the magnet, perhaps Kromrey.   I can now see how this makes sense as a coil is already a vortex shape.  The difficult part is creating the vortex and then continuing it without braking it.

When I get back to the states I will continue with the plasma tubes I was working with before when all the electronics cooked.

Sorry about your house, I hope no one was hurt and no pets were lost, what was the cause?   Can you go a bit more in depth about what you pried out of Bedini concerning the minimal RPM five thousand something or what he said about paramagnets?

I think Bedini was conflicted character even before the threats and while he gave us a lot he also kept many secrets.  I wonder did he have organized lab notes and if so where are they now.

On 1/20/2019 1:19 AM, bart woodard [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:


HI Mick,
Sorry  I had more time to reread your reply. Seems I misunderstood it.
Yes I think the mag has an ongoing vortexing over laying continuous flow showing a stable continuous environment of equal like waves. There by able to grasp the willing sub like temporarily alignment .I lost everything in a fire some time back so I shall restock again. Thinking of making a couple of designs up.
On the quick. There needs to be some math on this .
Quantum would be nice.
First I will get in materials then measure some push pull values.
Bart


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From: "bart woodard [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY]" <[email protected]><mailto:[email protected]>
Date: 2019-01-19 11:11 PM (GMT-05:00)
To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [EVGRAY] plasma magnet


Mick,
  I do not know any insights on the Searl  e   .  Only what I have read several years back and really do not see a lot of value in whats not always shown
or else I am sure we would see and hear of more of them. Yes this example has ceramics not sure if needed in the immediate design but maybe an
isolate  is needed maybe not, I guess it would pend on whether or not needed.
Perhaps yourself could come up with an example as your thoughts or scratch out a design ?
Maybe more of a tube like design enclosing the outer portion of the build.
The copper solid value in the vid edarrel just posted shows the mag semi floating before impact.
If it is raised high  enough then it will hit on a corner or edge first on impact.
With enough mags engaging the copper mass it will create hysteriousness the same reaction as the gadolinium .
The reason the magnet has value over the transformer I think is due to the fact of the type of electricity the transformer is producing.
As the mag is an ion field it has different principles.
Scratch some thing out!


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Sent: January 19, 2019 10:34 PM
To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [EVGRAY] plasma magnet



Bart,

Very true mucho thoughts... ok bastante...   Anyways there is likely no spin on the electromagnet while the ceramics have the integrated conics.   Sorry to overwhelm with more concepts but it seems to me the number one factor being left out of the designs.  When we look at materials, integer spins, magnetic moments etc it seems self evident this is how nature designs so...

Not sure what to think of old Searl who used to be Searle, many years and dollars and nothing.  Perhaps you could distill down what you think is relevant data or pertinent to the  appurtenant gibberish?
I knew a person who ran into him when he arrived in te USA and told this person all he needed was a few parts machined and some magnets purchased and 100 percent no question it would work.  Well the person paid for the parts and machining and was not a happy camper subsequently.

On 1/19/2019 9:54 PM, bart woodard [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:

Hi Mick,
               Ok,47000 thoughts ,all racing on each other! If only it had currency lol
Firstly ! Yes , a million builds done now by the populace and same old same old.  I do concur about the value on hyperbolic vs flat alignment.
If you go with flat you need 5500 rpm John B said to incorporate para advantages. That is difficult to do with most of these prototype takes.
When you look around in the past most any or all parabolic builds of one style or another has performed above and in some cases beyond.
Here is a  vid concurring.      Law of the squares.....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zZ8KVzDeYaI

While we are at it ask yourself why does not the trans former do what the magnet does?
By answering these types of questions will get us closer once again.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWJzicbQ4ew

More to come
Bart

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Sent: January 19, 2019 7:02 PM
To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [EVGRAY] plasma magnet



Hi Bart,

I was thinking today about Kone's motor.  Lately I have been having quite a bit of thoughts on the reactivity of spin, magnetic moments and how the angular momentum affects torsion field forces between different types of metals that could be construed as spin batteries.  Anyhow to make a long story short an added function to the Muller type designs could be another rotor containing bismuth, once spinning this should create a paramagnetic kick to the repulsive forces as paramagnets repulse both mag poles.  A further design along these studies could undertake rotors and stators that are designed to produce asymmetric serpentine flux fields rather than standard circular ones.  This might require camming or some sort of eccentric shaft with a star layout in order that the magnets sweep around the coils imparting a spin component.  The layouts could be derived from Chladni geometry of sound frequencies based on the intended RPM of the designs.

Speaking of your flow battery another constant thought is a battery design utilizing the states of water as hydronium and hydroxide with some kind of proton exchange mechanism, perhaps a membrane or something else entirely allowing for storage of electricity in a bipolar water ion design.  You would have much more knowledge of the interactions between these states of water and perhaps know how to tap this fuel cell type energy in a liquid state.

Your phosphorus experiments sound fascinating.

When we look at an oscilloscope displaying sine waves and only observing the x-y many are forgetting this is actually a 3d hyperbolic field being represented in 2d.  As the brilliant Schauberger pointed out nature works in spirals.  It is interesting to note his water gating and Tesla's one way valve are essentially exactly the same design.  Tesla also thought in 3d about hyperbolic flow.  We are almost there but I think what many designs are just short of is properly incorporating the spin component to imbue a hyperbolic flux rather than circular flux pattern!



On 1/19/2019 5:20 PM, bart woodard [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:

Doug, Warren, Mick, Norman ...others

On my personnel wall of shame , there are many missises, some or most all I struggle to throw out.  lol This is one!
I am thinking, lets get Dougs toy to do some thing! (( I am currently renoing another house and building a table top water machine for market sales intentions)
(Some thing HD would have been best for!))

For Doug maybe a bigger rotor with some peltiers stuck on a piece of glass taped to an exterior window , some small copper tanks,

https://www.ebay.com/p/Copper-Water-Cooling-Block-for-Heat-Sink-Cooled-GPU-CPU-Radiator-Liquid-Heatsink/1176150367

Set up for two tanks separated and isolated from each other (adjustable resistance) with small tanks for each side of the rotor tank set up.
By isolating them from each other you can create a flow battery like I said to you once Doug.
Hence the in floor heating as a flowing battery concept.( I was once to do this with Warrens Mike but never happened.)
You would find better results with one side of the rotor north and the other south in my experience.
But not sure if this works for you on your current build so think on this how to make it work best for you.
With your now set up Doug you are close and the parts are somewhat affordable. It would be fun!
Get to a good enough value for HD to manufacturer in the end possibly.
Get it cranking enough and the values of neutrons and some gamma can come in to play to please everyone.
Hence a gain on hysteriousness. Get enough going and its like John B said ...... its a free working fan as well! lol
Warren its like Norman says... collect and build everything possible in the attempt to maintain desired heat values.
By creating a flow battery you can use it on leds  or let it flow out to btu values .

This should have been mine!  oh well!!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VonUp5Wicwk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BMY2CbSodGk


Here is another rant!
Warren I picked at John B as much as possible , one question after another repeatedly. So I got little pieces of various projects through out our stay.
John felt compelled to help me this way as he was not going to assist in helping the ferro inverter work.
On my visits and many stays to Northern Finland I would go to Rovaniemi or Lapland.
Way up North at night you can see phosphorous  lights going off and on like miniature leds in the hillside or mountains they call them.
I asked John what was the phosphorous material Henry Moray was collecting?
Johns answer was , its really just phosphorous values with in elements and you can find value in almost anything except some have a better value than others.
He said we used to build our components way back when actually when we wanted particular values. Said he would go out in Nevada or anywhere and look for various elements.
So it was another head scratcher.  I put it in under my hat for a later play.
I will not say a name , but later I witnessed just this being done.
This guy has a case of clinically depression, I did not know at the time what this was only thought a couple beers is all he needed.
The wife said no he will not get better with a couple of beers.
So here .. he took apart a timer , not sure which model, the ones highly used in joule thief circuits.
He took the timer apart and sprinkled or placed some thorium on it I think it was.
Then put it in the oven for ten minutes or so. He seemed to know when was long enough.
When he took it out and it cooled down it pretty much ran itself. YA
This guy assisted in the circuitry for the rover, nasa.
I took this concept to another value and started building phosphorous hho cells. endothermic exothermic !
Any way hopes this helps.
Really should have its own thread or forum I always thought.

Bart

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Sent: January 19, 2019 10:16 AM
To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [EVGRAY] plasma magnet



Bart

Years ago, you made up a prototype experiment, using a rotor, with slanted magnets, much like some self runners seem to be displaying.
Perhaps, it might be re-cycled, using these new magnets, with that heat, cold, function, when driven?
The trick is to see exactly where this heat, and cold actually appear, in order to exploit this phenomenon.
Then measuring how much energy is detected, and how much energy was used to make it happen needs to be tested.
Designing a good test is the challenge.
Even if it matches contemporary refrigeration, or heating systems, it might be a contender, to be competitive, if simple enough.
Cheers Warren

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On Sat, 19 Jan 2019 at 8:22 AM, [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY]
<[email protected]><mailto:[email protected]> wrote:


Hi Bart
I think I read about this before from some info you sent, in a nutshell, a strong neodymium magnet being pushed towards the gandolimium (sp?)stuff vrestez heat, but when it pulls away it creates cold (other way around?) So its not too difficult to make something mechanical or rotating to createheatorcold or both...maybe they are using the super strong magnets now newly available Norm posted rabout recently(N60 type?)
Kone

Ok, Guys, remember what I told you in my paper, What is Heat. Heat is 
positive ionization and cold is negative ionization. Its all in the 
conversion of electrons into photons as in the case of positive 
ionization and the pairing of photons back into electrons, negative 
ionization,as in the case of cooling. The element Gadolinium 
accomplishes the conversion in the presence or absence of a magnetic 
field.  Tesla's Pyro Ferromagnetic Generator worked this way with the 
molecular phase shift ( face center cubic to body centered cubic) at the 
thermal curie points of iron. Everything in chemistry and physics is 
electrical based.    Please understand, as an example, boiling water at 
the phase change into a vapor (positive ionization) electrons are 
converted into emitted photons, IR radiation and upon cooling the photon 
pairing provides the electrons for the water stricture to return to the 
liquid state.  In effect, you have an electron pump as demonstrated by 
Armstrong's Steam Electrostatic Generator.

Here is something very important to consider in the Up and Down 
conversion of electrons in that at the simple, relative low temperature 
phase change process as is the case of water, it has been proven that 
more energy exist at the condensation process (electron paring) over the 
evaporation process.   This has been an age old paradox.  When I started 
exploring the Annihilation-Reconnect phenomenon of magnetic flux, it was 
obvious that an order of magnitude discrepancy occurs at the conversion 
of magnetic flux into the photon-virtual photon emission then the paring 
at the re-connect phase giving the violent EMP pulse. Just a thought.  
At the super high temperatures (positive ionization) in a hot plasma the 
energy equation get stood on its ear.  A huge amount of energy is 
manifest at the Re-connect, down conversion.   Magneto-Electric.

What is Heat #3

For about 10 years I have been studying the effects of

heating and cooling associated with the phase change of

liquids with the hope of building a simple generator of

electrical power around the phenomenon.The reason for this

interest is based on the theory that energy can be extracted

from the ambient background via thermal differentials.My

line of thinking really took off back when I experimented

with the all too familiar Peltier junction devices found in

electronic cooling devices.Would you believe that most

people do not understand how these devices move thermal

energy through a current flow across a semiconductor

junction.Historically we find that German physicist,

Thomas Seebeck back in 1820 observed that when heat was

applied to a junction of copper and steel wire that

electrical energy resulted.Later in 1834 Jean Peltier

discovered that when a direct current was applied to two

Dissimilar metals the junction got hot or cold.It was not

Until 1838 that Emil Lenz clearly showed the importance of

Both Seebeck and Peltier s discoveries by placing a drop of

Water on the junction of dissimilar metals which froze then

Melted when the polarity of the direct current was

Reversed.These discoveries remained dormant for over 100

Years because of the unavailability of semiconductor

Materials which could provide the wide temperature

Differentials.In the 1930 s semiconductor materials became

Available which revived the electric cooling principles.In

The 1960 s many companies began building spot cooling

Devices and refrigerators based on these effects using a

Junction material of bismuth-telluride. Today more advanced

Materials are used with the basic parameters of being a pore

Thermal conductor but being an excellent electrical

Conductor. The dissimilar materials must provide a high

Coefficient of voltage temperature relationship.The first

Peltier devices that I experimented with back about 10 years

ago were built by Marlow Industries here in Dallas.With a

small temperature differential across the device a weak

current with an attendant voltage was developed.Increasing

the differential provided a proportional increase in current

and voltage.About 6 years ago I posted a chart of the

wattage generated from two different size Peltier chips on

the Keely Net BBS.My curiosity was based on the puzzle of

how electron flow could move thermal energy across the

junctions and how electrical energy was produced by moving

thermal energy across the junction.This is a directly

reversible situation based on polarity.

Now let us look at a very familiar parallel process used in

refrigeration, cooling and heating devices employing phase

change material such as water and refrigerants.We have

always been led to believe that evaporating water provided

cooling effects which is a mechanical process. By the same

mechanical process we are provided heating effects by the

condensation of a gas back to a liquid phase change.Would

you believe that any material that undergoes a phase change

provides an attendant electrical effect.Back in 1840

Armstrong invented an electrostatic generator based on

escaping steam through insulated nozzles which provided one

of the most powerful devices of this type ever built.

Popular belief was that this was a frictional process with

the electrical output resulting from the steam friction

passing through the nozzles.After reading an old (1920 s)

Thermodynamics in Chemistry text book I realized that the

phase change of materials was an electrical phenomenon and

not purely mechanical.The atoms of the material lose or

gain electrons in the process which accounts for the

discrepancy in the energy equation when a material

transitions between phases.More energy is present after

the phase change back to the lower form or atomic state. The

text book stated that this phenomenon could not be

explained.When Jerry and I attended a Conference hosted by

Hal Puthoff down in Austin back about 6 years ago a

Physicist from Austria presented a paper on the phase change

of water and the attendant electrical phenomenon which is

totally not understood by modern science.Now my suspicions

were confirmed that phase changes of materials are an

electrostatic phenomenon, which leads us to the fundamental

question of,What is heat?We were told in theschool

that heat is the presence of energy and cool is the absence

of energy.What is the form of this energy?Let us look at

a very simple example of heating which may explain this

process.When sunlight strikes an absorbing surface it is

heated because electrons in the material are converted to

photons which are emitted in the infrared band of light

leaving the material in a net positive state or hot.The

more electrons a material loses the hotter it becomes.Now

the inverse situation is explored by evaporating some water

from the surface of a material which leaves the surface in a

net negative state or cold.Heat or cold is based on the

ion relationship in the material.When we apply a flame

(ionizing) to a material we cause the emission of photons

which is basically stripping away electrons from the atomic

structure causing a gross net positive situation to occur.

Now we are getting a picture as to how an electric current

across the Peltier junction can transport thermal energy

(ions).Since the energy is in the form of presence or

absence of electrons then it is a simple explanation as to

how the process works.All phase change processes work the

same way basically via ion transport and are not mechanical

processes which we were taught.Everythingin chemistry is

an electrical or electrostatic process at the atomic level

based on the ionized state of the atoms involved.

At a Vanguard Science Roundtable discussion several years ago

we talked about the ion wind method of fire fighting in

which ionized air will extinguish a flame because of the

cooling effects.Now we see Patents issued based on

negative ion spraying of a surface causing it to rapidly

cool because it becomes net negative charged.This is a

very efficient method of air-conditioning because an ion

generator operates at very high voltages with very little

current involved.It is possible to develop this ion

transport (thermal energy) to provide direct electrical

output from very subtle temperature differentials.Remember

that this is a direct reversible process where a thermal

differential will cause a development of current and voltage

as in the Peltier device.I hope that this dialog will

provide some food for thought out there on the Keely Net.

Please provide some feedback on this very interesting line

of experimentation.Norm

On 1/19/2019 9:16 AM, Warren Keillor [email protected] 
[EVGRAY] wrote:
>
> Bart
>
> Years ago, you made up a prototype experiment, using a rotor, with 
> slanted magnets, much like some self runners seem to be displaying.
> Perhaps, it might be re-cycled, using these new magnets, with that 
> heat, cold, function, when driven?
> The trick is to see exactly where this heat, and cold actually appear, 
> in order to exploit this phenomenon.
> Then measuring how much energy is detected, and how much energy was 
> used to make it happen needs to be tested.
> Designing a good test is the challenge.
> Even if it matches contemporary refrigeration, or heating systems, it 
> might be a contender, to be competitive, if simple enough.
> Cheers Warren
>
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
> <https://go.onelink.me/107872968?pid=InProduct&c=Global_Internal_YGrowth_AndroidEmailSig__AndroidUsers&af_wl=ym&af_sub1=Internal&af_sub2=Global_YGrowth&af_sub3=EmailSignature>
>
>     On Sat, 19 Jan 2019 at 8:22 AM, [email protected] [EVGRAY]
>     <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>     Hi Bart
>     I think I read about this before from some info you sent, in a
>     nutshell, a strong neodymium magnet being pushed towards the
>     gandolimium (sp?)stuff vrestez heat, but when it pulls away it
>     creates cold (other way around?) So its not too difficult to make
>     something mechanical or rotating to createheatorcold or
>     both...maybe they are using the super strong magnets now newly
>     available Norm posted rabout recently(N60 type?)
>     Kone
>
>

I'm sorry, you guys that are not active dialog on EVGRAY need to read 
background for my comments.  Here you are:

https://www.extremetech.com/extreme/176393-ge-develops-high-tech-fridge-magnets-that-could-save-the-world-billions-of-dollars-in-energy-costs

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gadolinium

Now with the research into plasma Re-Connect phenomenon, we have a good 
idea as to the composition  of magnetic flux particles which are photon 
/ virtual photons which means that the element Gadolinium atomic 
structure  electrons are ionized by the presence of or the   absence of 
a magnetic flux field. Electron pump.

On 1/21/2019 5:53 AM, Norman Wootan wrote:
>
> Ok, Guys, remember what I told you in my paper, What is Heat. Heat is 
> positive ionization and cold is negative ionization. Its all in the 
> conversion of electrons into photons as in the case of positive 
> ionization and the pairing of photons back into electrons, negative 
> ionization,as in the case of cooling. The element Gadolinium 
> accomplishes the conversion in the presence or absence of a magnetic 
> field.  Tesla's Pyro Ferromagnetic Generator worked this way with the 
> molecular phase shift ( face center cubic to body centered cubic) at 
> the thermal curie points of iron.  Everything in chemistry and physics 
> is electrical based.    Please understand, as an example, boiling 
> water at the phase change into a vapor (positive ionization) electrons 
> are converted into emitted photons, IR radiation and upon cooling the 
> photon pairing provides the electrons for the water stricture to 
> return to the liquid state.  In effect, you have an electron pump as 
> demonstrated by Armstrong's Steam Electrostatic Generator.
>
> Here is something very important to consider in the Up and Down 
> conversion of electrons in that at the simple, relative low 
> temperature phase change process as is the case of water, it has been 
> proven that more energy exist at the condensation process (electron 
> paring) over the evaporation process.   This has been an age old 
> paradox.  When I started exploring the Annihilation-Reconnect 
> phenomenon of magnetic flux, it was obvious that an order of magnitude 
> discrepancy occurs at the conversion of magnetic flux into the 
> photon-virtual photon emission then the paring at the re-connect phase 
> giving the violent EMP pulse.   Just a thought.  At the super high 
> temperatures (positive ionization) in a hot plasma the energy equation 
> get stood on its ear.  A huge amount of energy is manifest at the 
> Re-connect, down conversion.   Magneto-Electric.
>
> What is Heat #3
>
> For about 10 years I have been studying the effects of
>
> heating and cooling associated with the phase change of
>
> liquids with the hope of building a simple generator of
>
> electrical power around the phenomenon.The reason for this
>
> interest is based on the theory that energy can be extracted
>
> from the ambient background via thermal differentials.My
>
> line of thinking really took off back when I experimented
>
> with the all too familiar Peltier junction devices found in
>
> electronic cooling devices.Would you believe that most
>
> people do not understand how these devices move thermal
>
> energy through a current flow across a semiconductor
>
> junction.Historically we find that German physicist,
>
> Thomas Seebeck back in 1820 observed that when heat was
>
> applied to a junction of copper and steel wire that
>
> electrical energy resulted.Later in 1834 Jean Peltier
>
> discovered that when a direct current was applied to two
>
> Dissimilar metals the junction got hot or cold.It was not
>
> Until 1838 that Emil Lenz clearly showed the importance of
>
> Both Seebeck and Peltier s discoveries by placing a drop of
>
> Water on the junction of dissimilar metals which froze then
>
> Melted when the polarity of the direct current was
>
> Reversed.These discoveries remained dormant for over 100
>
> Years because of the unavailability of semiconductor
>
> Materials which could provide the wide temperature
>
> Differentials.In the 1930 s semiconductor materials became
>
> Available which revived the electric cooling principles.In
>
> The 1960 s many companies began building spot cooling
>
> Devices and refrigerators based on these effects using a
>
> Junction material of bismuth-telluride. Today more advanced
>
> Materials are used with the basic parameters of being a pore
>
> Thermal conductor but being an excellent electrical
>
> Conductor. The dissimilar materials must provide a high
>
> Coefficient of voltage temperature relationship.The first
>
> Peltier devices that I experimented with back about 10 years
>
> ago were built by Marlow Industries here in Dallas.With a
>
> small temperature differential across the device a weak
>
> current with an attendant voltage was developed.Increasing
>
> the differential provided a proportional increase in current
>
> and voltage.About 6 years ago I posted a chart of the
>
> wattage generated from two different size Peltier chips on
>
> the Keely Net BBS.My curiosity was based on the puzzle of
>
> how electron flow could move thermal energy across the
>
> junctions and how electrical energy was produced by moving
>
> thermal energy across the junction.This is a directly
>
> reversible situation based on polarity.
>
> Now let us look at a very familiar parallel process used in
>
> refrigeration, cooling and heating devices employing phase
>
> change material such as water and refrigerants.We have
>
> always been led to believe that evaporating water provided
>
> cooling effects which is a mechanical process. By the same
>
> mechanical process we are provided heating effects by the
>
> condensation of a gas back to a liquid phase change.Would
>
> you believe that any material that undergoes a phase change
>
> provides an attendant electrical effect.Back in 1840
>
> Armstrong invented an electrostatic generator based on
>
> escaping steam through insulated nozzles which provided one
>
> of the most powerful devices of this type ever built.
>
> Popular belief was that this was a frictional process with
>
> the electrical output resulting from the steam friction
>
> passing through the nozzles.After reading an old (1920 s)
>
> Thermodynamics in Chemistry text book I realized that the
>
> phase change of materials was an electrical phenomenon and
>
> not purely mechanical.The atoms of the material lose or
>
> gain electrons in the process which accounts for the
>
> discrepancy in the energy equation when a material
>
> transitions between phases.More energy is present after
>
> the phase change back to the lower form or atomic state. The
>
> text book stated that this phenomenon could not be
>
> explained.When Jerry and I attended a Conference hosted by
>
> Hal Puthoff down in Austin back about 6 years ago a
>
> Physicist from Austria presented a paper on the phase change
>
> of water and the attendant electrical phenomenon which is
>
> totally not understood by modern science.Now my suspicions
>
> were confirmed that phase changes of materials are an
>
> electrostatic phenomenon, which leads us to the fundamental
>
> question of,What is heat?We were told in theschool
>
> that heat is the presence of energy and cool is the absence
>
> of energy.What is the form of this energy?Let us look at
>
> a very simple example of heating which may explain this
>
> process.When sunlight strikes an absorbing surface it is
>
> heated because electrons in the material are converted to
>
> photons which are emitted in the infrared band of light
>
> leaving the material in a net positive state or hot.The
>
> more electrons a material loses the hotter it becomes.Now
>
> the inverse situation is explored by evaporating some water
>
> from the surface of a material which leaves the surface in a
>
> net negative state or cold.Heat or cold is based on the
>
> ion relationship in the material.When we apply a flame
>
> (ionizing) to a material we cause the emission of photons
>
> which is basically stripping away electrons from the atomic
>
> structure causing a gross net positive situation to occur.
>
> Now we are getting a picture as to how an electric current
>
> across the Peltier junction can transport thermal energy
>
> (ions).Since the energy is in the form of presence or
>
> absence of electrons then it is a simple explanation as to
>
> how the process works.All phase change processes work the
>
> same way basically via ion transport and are not mechanical
>
> processes which we were taught.Everythingin chemistry is
>
> an electrical or electrostatic process at the atomic level
>
> based on the ionized state of the atoms involved.
>
> At a Vanguard Science Roundtable discussion several years ago
>
> we talked about the ion wind method of fire fighting in
>
> which ionized air will extinguish a flame because of the
>
> cooling effects.Now we see Patents issued based on
>
> negative ion spraying of a surface causing it to rapidly
>
> cool because it becomes net negative charged.This is a
>
> very efficient method of air-conditioning because an ion
>
> generator operates at very high voltages with very little
>
> current involved.It is possible to develop this ion
>
> transport (thermal energy) to provide direct electrical
>
> output from very subtle temperature differentials.Remember
>
> that this is a direct reversible process where a thermal
>
> differential will cause a development of current and voltage
>
> as in the Peltier device.I hope that this dialog will
>
> provide some food for thought out there on the Keely Net.
>
> Please provide some feedback on this very interesting line
>
> of experimentation.Norm
>
> On 1/19/2019 9:16 AM, Warren Keillor [email protected] 
> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>
>> Bart
>>
>> Years ago, you made up a prototype experiment, using a rotor, with 
>> slanted magnets, much like some self runners seem to be displaying.
>> Perhaps, it might be re-cycled, using these new magnets, with that 
>> heat, cold, function, when driven?
>> The trick is to see exactly where this heat, and cold actually 
>> appear, in order to exploit this phenomenon.
>> Then measuring how much energy is detected, and how much energy was 
>> used to make it happen needs to be tested.
>> Designing a good test is the challenge.
>> Even if it matches contemporary refrigeration, or heating systems, it 
>> might be a contender, to be competitive, if simple enough.
>> Cheers Warren
>>
>> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
>> <https://go.onelink.me/107872968?pid=InProduct&c=Global_Internal_YGrowth_AndroidEmailSig__AndroidUsers&af_wl=ym&af_sub1=Internal&af_sub2=Global_YGrowth&af_sub3=EmailSignature>
>>
>>     On Sat, 19 Jan 2019 at 8:22 AM, [email protected] [EVGRAY]
>>     <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>     Hi Bart
>>     I think I read about this before from some info you sent, in a
>>     nutshell, a strong neodymium magnet being pushed towards the
>>     gandolimium (sp?)stuff vrestez heat, but when it pulls away it
>>     creates cold (other way around?) So its not too difficult to make
>>     something mechanical or rotating to createheatorcold or
>>     both...maybe they are using the super strong magnets now newly
>>     available Norm posted rabout recently(N60 type?)
>>     Kone
>>
>>

https://earthweb.ess.washington.edu/space/PlasmaMag/

On 1/21/2019 8:44 AM, Norman Wootan wrote:
>
> I'm sorry, you guys that are not active dialog on EVGRAY need to read 
> background for my comments.  Here you are:
>
> https://www.extremetech.com/extreme/176393-ge-develops-high-tech-fridge-magnets-that-could-save-the-world-billions-of-dollars-in-energy-costs
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gadolinium
>
> Now with the research into plasma Re-Connect phenomenon, we have a 
> good idea as to the composition  of magnetic flux particles which are 
> photon / virtual photons which means that the element Gadolinium 
> atomic structure  electrons are ionized by the presence of or the   
> absence of a magnetic flux field. Electron pump.
>
> On 1/21/2019 5:53 AM, Norman Wootan wrote:
>>
>> Ok, Guys, remember what I told you in my paper, What is Heat.  Heat 
>> is positive ionization and cold is negative ionization. Its all in 
>> the conversion of electrons into photons as in the case of positive 
>> ionization and the pairing of photons back into electrons, negative 
>> ionization,as in the case of cooling. The element Gadolinium 
>> accomplishes the conversion in the presence or absence of a magnetic 
>> field. Tesla's Pyro Ferromagnetic Generator worked this way with the 
>> molecular phase shift ( face center cubic to body centered cubic) at 
>> the thermal curie points of iron.  Everything in chemistry and 
>> physics is electrical based.    Please understand, as an example, 
>> boiling water at the phase change into a vapor (positive ionization) 
>> electrons are converted into emitted photons, IR radiation and upon 
>> cooling the photon pairing provides the electrons for the water 
>> stricture to return to the liquid state.  In effect, you have an 
>> electron pump as demonstrated by Armstrong's Steam Electrostatic 
>> Generator.
>>
>> Here is something very important to consider in the Up and Down 
>> conversion of electrons in that at the simple, relative low 
>> temperature phase change process as is the case of water, it has been 
>> proven that more energy exist at the condensation process (electron 
>> paring) over the evaporation process.   This has been an age old 
>> paradox.  When I started exploring the Annihilation-Reconnect 
>> phenomenon of magnetic flux, it was obvious that an order of 
>> magnitude discrepancy occurs at the conversion of magnetic flux into 
>> the photon-virtual photon emission then the paring at the re-connect 
>> phase giving the violent EMP pulse.   Just a thought.  At the super 
>> high temperatures (positive ionization) in a hot plasma the energy 
>> equation get stood on its ear.  A huge amount of energy is manifest 
>> at the Re-connect, down conversion. Magneto-Electric.
>>
>> What is Heat #3
>>
>> For about 10 years I have been studying the effects of
>>
>> heating and cooling associated with the phase change of
>>
>> liquids with the hope of building a simple generator of
>>
>> electrical power around the phenomenon.The reason for this
>>
>> interest is based on the theory that energy can be extracted
>>
>> from the ambient background via thermal differentials.My
>>
>> line of thinking really took off back when I experimented
>>
>> with the all too familiar Peltier junction devices found in
>>
>> electronic cooling devices.Would you believe that most
>>
>> people do not understand how these devices move thermal
>>
>> energy through a current flow across a semiconductor
>>
>> junction.Historically we find that German physicist,
>>
>> Thomas Seebeck back in 1820 observed that when heat was
>>
>> applied to a junction of copper and steel wire that
>>
>> electrical energy resulted.Later in 1834 Jean Peltier
>>
>> discovered that when a direct current was applied to two
>>
>> Dissimilar metals the junction got hot or cold.It was not
>>
>> Until 1838 that Emil Lenz clearly showed the importance of
>>
>> Both Seebeck and Peltier s discoveries by placing a drop of
>>
>> Water on the junction of dissimilar metals which froze then
>>
>> Melted when the polarity of the direct current was
>>
>> Reversed.These discoveries remained dormant for over 100
>>
>> Years because of the unavailability of semiconductor
>>
>> Materials which could provide the wide temperature
>>
>> Differentials.In the 1930 s semiconductor materials became
>>
>> Available which revived the electric cooling principles.In
>>
>> The 1960 s many companies began building spot cooling
>>
>> Devices and refrigerators based on these effects using a
>>
>> Junction material of bismuth-telluride. Today more advanced
>>
>> Materials are used with the basic parameters of being a pore
>>
>> Thermal conductor but being an excellent electrical
>>
>> Conductor. The dissimilar materials must provide a high
>>
>> Coefficient of voltage temperature relationship.The first
>>
>> Peltier devices that I experimented with back about 10 years
>>
>> ago were built by Marlow Industries here in Dallas.With a
>>
>> small temperature differential across the device a weak
>>
>> current with an attendant voltage was developed.Increasing
>>
>> the differential provided a proportional increase in current
>>
>> and voltage.About 6 years ago I posted a chart of the
>>
>> wattage generated from two different size Peltier chips on
>>
>> the Keely Net BBS.My curiosity was based on the puzzle of
>>
>> how electron flow could move thermal energy across the
>>
>> junctions and how electrical energy was produced by moving
>>
>> thermal energy across the junction.This is a directly
>>
>> reversible situation based on polarity.
>>
>> Now let us look at a very familiar parallel process used in
>>
>> refrigeration, cooling and heating devices employing phase
>>
>> change material such as water and refrigerants.We have
>>
>> always been led to believe that evaporating water provided
>>
>> cooling effects which is a mechanical process. By the same
>>
>> mechanical process we are provided heating effects by the
>>
>> condensation of a gas back to a liquid phase change.Would
>>
>> you believe that any material that undergoes a phase change
>>
>> provides an attendant electrical effect.Back in 1840
>>
>> Armstrong invented an electrostatic generator based on
>>
>> escaping steam through insulated nozzles which provided one
>>
>> of the most powerful devices of this type ever built.
>>
>> Popular belief was that this was a frictional process with
>>
>> the electrical output resulting from the steam friction
>>
>> passing through the nozzles.After reading an old (1920 s)
>>
>> Thermodynamics in Chemistry text book I realized that the
>>
>> phase change of materials was an electrical phenomenon and
>>
>> not purely mechanical.The atoms of the material lose or
>>
>> gain electrons in the process which accounts for the
>>
>> discrepancy in the energy equation when a material
>>
>> transitions between phases.More energy is present after
>>
>> the phase change back to the lower form or atomic state. The
>>
>> text book stated that this phenomenon could not be
>>
>> explained.When Jerry and I attended a Conference hosted by
>>
>> Hal Puthoff down in Austin back about 6 years ago a
>>
>> Physicist from Austria presented a paper on the phase change
>>
>> of water and the attendant electrical phenomenon which is
>>
>> totally not understood by modern science.Now my suspicions
>>
>> were confirmed that phase changes of materials are an
>>
>> electrostatic phenomenon, which leads us to the fundamental
>>
>> question of,What is heat?We were told in theschool
>>
>> that heat is the presence of energy and cool is the absence
>>
>> of energy.What is the form of this energy?Let us look at
>>
>> a very simple example of heating which may explain this
>>
>> process.When sunlight strikes an absorbing surface it is
>>
>> heated because electrons in the material are converted to
>>
>> photons which are emitted in the infrared band of light
>>
>> leaving the material in a net positive state or hot.The
>>
>> more electrons a material loses the hotter it becomes.Now
>>
>> the inverse situation is explored by evaporating some water
>>
>> from the surface of a material which leaves the surface in a
>>
>> net negative state or cold.Heat or cold is based on the
>>
>> ion relationship in the material.When we apply a flame
>>
>> (ionizing) to a material we cause the emission of photons
>>
>> which is basically stripping away electrons from the atomic
>>
>> structure causing a gross net positive situation to occur.
>>
>> Now we are getting a picture as to how an electric current
>>
>> across the Peltier junction can transport thermal energy
>>
>> (ions).Since the energy is in the form of presence or
>>
>> absence of electrons then it is a simple explanation as to
>>
>> how the process works.All phase change processes work the
>>
>> same way basically via ion transport and are not mechanical
>>
>> processes which we were taught.Everythingin chemistry is
>>
>> an electrical or electrostatic process at the atomic level
>>
>> based on the ionized state of the atoms involved.
>>
>> At a Vanguard Science Roundtable discussion several years ago
>>
>> we talked about the ion wind method of fire fighting in
>>
>> which ionized air will extinguish a flame because of the
>>
>> cooling effects.Now we see Patents issued based on
>>
>> negative ion spraying of a surface causing it to rapidly
>>
>> cool because it becomes net negative charged.This is a
>>
>> very efficient method of air-conditioning because an ion
>>
>> generator operates at very high voltages with very little
>>
>> current involved.It is possible to develop this ion
>>
>> transport (thermal energy) to provide direct electrical
>>
>> output from very subtle temperature differentials.Remember
>>
>> that this is a direct reversible process where a thermal
>>
>> differential will cause a development of current and voltage
>>
>> as in the Peltier device.I hope that this dialog will
>>
>> provide some food for thought out there on the Keely Net.
>>
>> Please provide some feedback on this very interesting line
>>
>> of experimentation.Norm
>>
>> On 1/19/2019 9:16 AM, Warren Keillor [email protected] 
>> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>
>>> Bart
>>>
>>> Years ago, you made up a prototype experiment, using a rotor, with 
>>> slanted magnets, much like some self runners seem to be displaying.
>>> Perhaps, it might be re-cycled, using these new magnets, with that 
>>> heat, cold, function, when driven?
>>> The trick is to see exactly where this heat, and cold actually 
>>> appear, in order to exploit this phenomenon.
>>> Then measuring how much energy is detected, and how much energy was 
>>> used to make it happen needs to be tested.
>>> Designing a good test is the challenge.
>>> Even if it matches contemporary refrigeration, or heating systems, 
>>> it might be a contender, to be competitive, if simple enough.
>>> Cheers Warren
>>>
>>> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
>>> <https://go.onelink.me/107872968?pid=InProduct&c=Global_Internal_YGrowth_AndroidEmailSig__AndroidUsers&af_wl=ym&af_sub1=Internal&af_sub2=Global_YGrowth&af_sub3=EmailSignature>
>>>
>>>     On Sat, 19 Jan 2019 at 8:22 AM, [email protected] [EVGRAY]
>>>     <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>     Hi Bart
>>>     I think I read about this before from some info you sent, in a
>>>     nutshell, a strong neodymium magnet being pushed towards the
>>>     gandolimium (sp?)stuff vrestez heat, but when it pulls away it
>>>     creates cold (other way around?) So its not too difficult to
>>>     make something mechanical or rotating to createheatorcold or
>>>     both...maybe they are using the super strong magnets now newly
>>>     available Norm posted rabout recently(N60 type?)
>>>     Kone
>>>
>>>

NormanHere in the trenches, up in the very cold north, my heat pump is getting its virgin flight, started up on Friday, after an hour on the phone, being talked through the key pad wobblies, from Winnipeg.Outside, today, it is -22C with a wind chill of -50C. I am quite amazed that any heat can be squeezed from that wretched air out there, at all.It tries to rip your face off in seconds of exposure.Yet in perfect silence, heat can be felt entering through the two foot thick stone walls, from the green plastic pipe, the tiniest vibration felt from touching the pump circulating it through the five inch thick concrete slab floor.The floor is only 55FI'll start a fire in the wood stove, as I really like heat where I work.There is a domestic electric hot water tank that is being used as a header tank for the floor system.I may have to turn that on to help out.It is gloriously sunny out, even though bone cracking cold.Electric solar panels might be a good idea, since I can pick up some Canadian made ones for a few cents on the dollar, coming up surplus, from my friend Mike.Let them do what they will to the chromalux elements, forgetting batteries.
Evaporation, and electricity, new physics, and chemistry, playground!Thank you Norman. We are slow, but on the job, in practice.Cheers Warren
Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
 
  On Mon, 21 Jan 2019 at 6:54 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY]<[email protected]> wrote:       
 

Ok, Guys, remember what I told you in my paper, What is Heat.  Heat is positive ionization and cold is negative ionization. Its all in the conversion of electrons into photons as in the case of positive ionization and the pairing of photons back into electrons, negative ionization,as in the case of cooling. The element Gadolinium accomplishes the conversion in the presence or absence of a magnetic field.  Tesla's Pyro Ferromagnetic Generator worked this way with the molecular phase shift ( face center cubic to body centered cubic) at the thermal curie points of iron.  Everything in chemistry and physics is electrical based.    Please understand, as an example, boiling water at the phase change into a vapor (positive ionization) electrons are converted into emitted photons, IR radiation and upon cooling the photon pairing provides the electrons for the water stricture to return to the liquid state.  In effect, you have an electron pump as demonstrated by Armstrong's Steam Electrostatic Generator.
 
Here is something very important to consider in the Up and Down conversion of electrons in that at the simple, relative low temperature phase change process as is the case of water, it has been proven that more energy exist at the condensation process (electron paring) over the evaporation process.   This has been an age old paradox.  When I started exploring the Annihilation-Reconnect phenomenon of magnetic flux, it was obvious that an order of magnitude discrepancy occurs at the conversion of magnetic flux into the photon-virtual photon emission then the paring at the re-connect phase giving the violent EMP pulse.   Just a thought.  At the super high temperatures (positive ionization) in a hot plasma the energy equation get stood on its ear.  A huge amount of energy is manifest at the Re-connect, down conversion.   Magneto-Electric.
 
 
 

                     What is Heat #3
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
For about 10 years I have been studying the effects of
 
heating and cooling associated with the phase change of
 
liquids with the hope of building a simple generator of
 
electrical power around the phenomenon.  The reason for this
 
interest is based on the theory that energy can be extracted
 
from the ambient background via thermal differentials.  My
 
line of thinking really took off back when I experimented
 
with the all too familiar Peltier junction devices found in
 
electronic cooling devices.  Would you believe that most
 
people do not understand how these devices move thermal
 
energy through a current flow across a semiconductor
 
junction.  Historically we find that German physicist,
 
Thomas Seebeck back in 1820 observed that when heat was
 
applied to a junction of copper and steel wire that
 
electrical energy resulted.  Later in 1834 Jean Peltier
 
discovered that when a direct current was applied to two
 
Dissimilar metals the junction got hot or cold.  It was not
 
Until 1838 that Emil Lenz clearly showed the importance of
 
Both Seebeck and Peltier s discoveries by placing a drop of
 
Water on the junction of dissimilar metals which froze then
 
Melted when the polarity of the direct current was
 
Reversed.  These discoveries remained dormant for over 100
 
Years because of the unavailability of semiconductor
 
Materials which could provide the wide temperature
 
Differentials.  In the 1930 s semiconductor materials became
 
Available which revived the electric cooling principles.  In
 
The 1960 s many companies began building spot cooling
 
Devices and refrigerators based on these effects using a
 
Junction material of bismuth-telluride. Today more advanced
 
Materials are used with the basic parameters of being a pore
 
Thermal conductor but being an excellent electrical
 
Conductor. The dissimilar materials must provide a high
 
Coefficient of voltage temperature relationship.  The first
 
Peltier devices that I experimented with back about 10 years
 
ago were built by Marlow Industries here in Dallas.   With a
 
small temperature differential across the device a weak
 
current with an attendant voltage was developed.  Increasing
 
the differential provided a proportional increase in current
 
and voltage.  About 6 years ago I posted a chart of the
 
wattage generated from two different size Peltier chips on
 
the Keely Net BBS.   My curiosity was based on the puzzle of
 
how electron flow could move thermal energy across the
 
junctions and how electrical energy was produced by moving
 
thermal energy across the junction.  This is a directly
 
reversible situation based on polarity.
 
Now let us look at a very familiar parallel process used in
 
refrigeration, cooling and heating devices employing phase
 
change material such as water and refrigerants.  We have
 
always been led to believe that evaporating water provided
 
cooling effects which is a mechanical process. By the same
 
mechanical process we are provided heating effects by the
 
condensation of a gas back to a liquid phase change.  Would
 
you believe that any material that undergoes a phase change
 
provides an attendant electrical effect.   Back in 1840
 
Armstrong invented an electrostatic generator based on
 
escaping steam through insulated nozzles which provided one
 
of the most powerful devices of this type ever built.
 
Popular belief was that this was a frictional process with
 
the electrical output resulting from the steam friction
 
passing through the nozzles.   After reading an old (1920 s)
 
Thermodynamics in Chemistry text book I realized that the
 
phase change of materials was an electrical phenomenon and
 
not purely mechanical.  The atoms of the material lose or
 
gain electrons in the process which accounts for the
 
discrepancy in the energy equation when a material
 
transitions between phases.  More energy is present after
 
the phase change back to the lower form or atomic state. The
 
text book stated that this phenomenon could not be
 
explained.  When Jerry and I attended a Conference hosted by
 
Hal Puthoff down in Austin back about 6 years ago a
 
Physicist from Austria presented a paper on the phase change
 
of water and the attendant electrical phenomenon which is
 
totally not understood by modern science.  Now my suspicions
 
were confirmed that phase changes of materials are an
 
electrostatic phenomenon, which leads us to the fundamental
 
question of,  What is heat?    We were told in the  school 
 
that heat is the presence of energy and cool is the absence
 
of energy.  What is the form of this energy?  Let us look at
 
a very simple example of heating which may explain this
 
process.  When sunlight strikes an absorbing surface it is
 
heated because electrons in the material are converted to
 
photons which are emitted in the infrared band of light
 
leaving the material in a net positive state or hot.  The
 
more electrons a material loses the hotter it becomes.  Now
 
the inverse situation is explored by evaporating some water
 
from the surface of a material which leaves the surface in a
 
net negative state or cold.  Heat or cold is based on the
 
ion relationship in the material.  When we apply a flame
 
(ionizing) to a material we cause the emission of photons
 
which is basically stripping away electrons from the atomic
 
structure causing a gross net positive situation to occur.
 
Now we are getting a picture as to how an electric current
 
across the Peltier junction can transport thermal energy
 
(ions).  Since the energy is in the form of presence or
 
absence of electrons then it is a simple explanation as to
 
how the process works.  All phase change processes work the
 
same way basically via ion transport and are not mechanical
 
processes which we were taught.  Everything  in chemistry is
 
an electrical or electrostatic process at the atomic level
 
based on the ionized state of the atoms involved.
 
At a Vanguard Science Roundtable discussion several years ago
 
we talked about the ion wind method of fire fighting in
 
which ionized air will extinguish a flame because of the
 
cooling effects.  Now we see Patents issued based on
 
negative ion spraying of a surface causing it to rapidly
 
cool because it becomes net negative charged.  This is a
 
very efficient method of air-conditioning because an ion
 
generator operates at very high voltages with very little
 
current involved.   It is possible to develop this ion
 
transport (thermal energy) to provide direct electrical
 
output from very subtle temperature differentials.  Remember
 
that this is a direct reversible process where a thermal
 
differential will cause a development of current and voltage
 
as in the Peltier device.   I hope that this dialog will
 
provide some food for thought out there on the Keely Net.
 
Please provide some feedback on this very interesting line
 
of experimentation.   Norm
 On 1/19/2019 9:16 AM, Warren Keillor [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
  
    
Bart
 Years ago, you made up a prototype experiment, using a rotor, with slanted magnets, much like some self runners seem to be displaying. Perhaps, it might be re-cycled, using these new magnets, with that heat, cold, function, when driven? The trick is to see exactly where this heat, and cold actually appear, in order to exploit this phenomenon. Then measuring how much energy is detected, and how much energy was used to make it happen needs to be tested. Designing a good test is the challenge. Even if it matches contemporary refrigeration, or heating systems, it might be a contender, to be competitive, if simple enough. Cheers Warren
 
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  On Sat, 19 Jan 2019 at 8:22 AM, [email protected] [EVGRAY] <[email protected]> wrote:          
Hi Bart
 I think I read about this before from some info you sent, in a nutshell, a strong neodymium magnet being pushed towards the gandolimium (sp?)stuff vrestez heat, but when it pulls away it creates cold (other  way around?) So its not too difficult to make something mechanical or rotating to createheatorcold or both...maybe they are using the super strong magnets now newly available Norm posted rabout recently(N60 type?)
 Kone
       
   
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