Re: [EVGRAY] plasma magnet

Body

Bart,

As far as drawing something up the original idea of the unit becomes too
complex to really do properly with multiple coils.  At first I was
thinking of a pair of  disks bent into a wave so the magnets could no
only spin past the coils but also sweep around.  Again even that gets
too complex after about 3 coil sets and to do properly the magnets would
need to rid on driven bearing tracks.   Really the only way to do it
right without insane inertial mass issues is with plasma or ferrofluid. 
OK someone said that moving a coil is better than moving the magnet,
perhaps Kromrey.   I can now see how this makes sense as a coil is
already a vortex shape.  The difficult part is creating the vortex and
then continuing it without braking it.

When I get back to the states I will continue with the plasma tubes I
was working with before when all the electronics cooked.

Sorry about your house, I hope no one was hurt and no pets were lost,
what was the cause?   Can you go a bit more in depth about what you
pried out of Bedini concerning the minimal RPM five thousand something
or what he said about paramagnets?

I think Bedini was conflicted character even before the threats and
while he gave us a lot he also kept many secrets.  I wonder did he have
organized lab notes and if so where are they now.

On 1/20/2019 1:19 AM, bart woodard [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>  
>
> HI Mick, 
> Sorry  I had more time to reread your reply. Seems I misunderstood it.
> Yes I think the mag has an ongoing vortexing over laying continuous
> flow showing a stable continuous environment of equal like waves.
> There by able to grasp the willing sub like temporarily alignment .I
> lost everything in a fire some time back so I shall restock again.
> Thinking of making a couple of designs up.
> On the quick. There needs to be some math on this .
> Quantum would be nice.
> First I will get in materials then measure some push pull values. 
> Bart
>
>
> Sent from my Bell Samsung device over Canada's largest network.
>
>
> -------- Original message --------
> From: "bart woodard [email protected] [EVGRAY]" <[email protected]>
> Date: 2019-01-19 11:11 PM (GMT-05:00)
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: [EVGRAY] plasma magnet
>
>  
> Mick,
>   I do not know any insights on the Searl  e   .  Only what I have
> read several years back and really do not see a lot of value in whats
> not always shown
> or else I am sure we would see and hear of more of them. Yes this
> example has ceramics not sure if needed in the immediate design but
> maybe an
> isolate  is needed maybe not, I guess it would pend on whether or not
> needed.
> Perhaps yourself could come up with an example as your thoughts or
> scratch out a design ?
> Maybe more of a tube like design enclosing the outer portion of the build.
> The copper solid value in the vid edarrel just posted shows the mag
> semi floating before impact.
> If it is raised high  enough then it will hit on a corner or edge
> first on impact.
> With enough mags engaging the copper mass it will create
> hysteriousness the same reaction as the gadolinium .
> The reason the magnet has value over the transformer I think is due to
> the fact of the type of electricity the transformer is producing.
> As the mag is an ion field it has different principles.
> Scratch some thing out!
>
>
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> *From:* [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of
> Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY] <[email protected]>
> *Sent:* January 19, 2019 10:34 PM
> *To:* [email protected]
> *Subject:* Re: [EVGRAY] plasma magnet
>  
>  
>
> Bart,
>
> Very true mucho thoughts... ok bastante...   Anyways there is likely
> no spin on the electromagnet while the ceramics have the integrated
> conics.   Sorry to overwhelm with more concepts but it seems to me the
> number one factor being left out of the designs.  When we look at
> materials, integer spins, magnetic moments etc it seems self evident
> this is how nature designs so...
>
> Not sure what to think of old Searl who used to be Searle, many years
> and dollars and nothing.  Perhaps you could distill down what you
> think is relevant data or pertinent to the  appurtenant gibberish?
> I knew a person who ran into him when he arrived in te USA and told
> this person all he needed was a few parts machined and some magnets
> purchased and 100 percent no question it would work.  Well the person
> paid for the parts and machining and was not a happy camper subsequently.
>
> On 1/19/2019 9:54 PM, bart woodard [email protected]
> <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>  
>> Hi Mick,
>>                Ok,47000 thoughts ,all racing on each other! If only
>> it had currency lol
>> Firstly ! Yes , a million builds done now by the populace and same
>> old same old.  I do concur about the value on hyperbolic vs flat
>> alignment.
>> If you go with flat you need 5500 rpm John B said to incorporate para
>> advantages. That is difficult to do with most of these prototype takes.
>> When you look around in the past most any or all parabolic builds of
>> one style or another has performed above and in some cases beyond.
>> Here is a  vid concurring.      Law of the squares.....
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zZ8KVzDeYaI
>>
>> While we are at it ask yourself why does not the trans former do what
>> the magnet does?
>> By answering these types of questions will get us closer once again.
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWJzicbQ4ew
>>
>> More to come
>> Bart
>>
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>> *From:* [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
>> <[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected]> on behalf of
>> Mick [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY]
>> <[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected]>
>> *Sent:* January 19, 2019 7:02 PM
>> *To:* [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
>> *Subject:* Re: [EVGRAY] plasma magnet
>>  
>>  
>>
>> Hi Bart,
>>
>> I was thinking today about Kone's motor.  Lately I have been having
>> quite a bit of thoughts on the reactivity of spin, magnetic moments
>> and how the angular momentum affects torsion field forces between
>> different types of metals that could be construed as spin batteries. 
>> Anyhow to make a long story short an added function to the Muller
>> type designs could be another rotor containing bismuth, once spinning
>> this should create a paramagnetic kick to the repulsive forces as
>> paramagnets repulse both mag poles.  A further design along these
>> studies could undertake rotors and stators that are designed to
>> produce asymmetric serpentine flux fields rather than standard
>> circular ones.  This might require camming or some sort of eccentric
>> shaft with a star layout in order that the magnets sweep around the
>> coils imparting a spin component.  The layouts could be derived from
>> Chladni geometry of sound frequencies based on the intended RPM of
>> the designs.
>>
>> Speaking of your flow battery another constant thought is a battery
>> design utilizing the states of water as hydronium and hydroxide with
>> some kind of proton exchange mechanism, perhaps a membrane or
>> something else entirely allowing for storage of electricity in a
>> bipolar water ion design.  You would have much more knowledge of the
>> interactions between these states of water and perhaps know how to
>> tap this fuel cell type energy in a liquid state.
>>
>> Your phosphorus experiments sound fascinating.
>>
>> When we look at an oscilloscope displaying sine waves and only
>> observing the x-y many are forgetting this is actually a 3d
>> hyperbolic field being represented in 2d.  As the brilliant
>> Schauberger pointed out nature works in spirals.  It is interesting
>> to note his water gating and Tesla's one way valve are essentially
>> exactly the same design.  Tesla also thought in 3d about hyperbolic
>> flow.  We are almost there but I think what many designs are just
>> short of is properly incorporating the spin component to imbue a
>> hyperbolic flux rather than circular flux pattern!
>>
>>
>>
>> On 1/19/2019 5:20 PM, bart woodard [email protected]
>> <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>  
>>> Doug, Warren, Mick, Norman ...others
>>>
>>> On my personnel wall of shame , there are many missises, some or
>>> most all I struggle to throw out.  lol This is one!
>>> I am thinking, lets get Dougs toy to do some thing! (( I am
>>> currently renoing another house and building a table top water
>>> machine for market sales intentions)
>>> (Some thing HD would have been best for!))
>>>
>>> For Doug maybe a bigger rotor with some peltiers stuck on a piece of
>>> glass taped to an exterior window , some small copper tanks,
>>>
>>> https://www.ebay.com/p/Copper-Water-Cooling-Block-for-Heat-Sink-Cooled-GPU-CPU-Radiator-Liquid-Heatsink/1176150367
>>>
>>> Set up for two tanks separated and isolated from each other
>>> (adjustable resistance) with small tanks for each side of the rotor
>>> tank set up.
>>> By isolating them from each other you can create a flow battery like
>>> I said to you once Doug.
>>> Hence the in floor heating as a flowing battery concept.( I was once
>>> to do this with Warrens Mike but never happened.)
>>> You would find better results with one side of the rotor north and
>>> the other south in my experience.
>>> But not sure if this works for you on your current build so think on
>>> this how to make it work best for you.
>>> With your now set up Doug you are close and the parts are somewhat
>>> affordable. It would be fun!
>>> Get to a good enough value for HD to manufacturer in the end possibly.
>>> Get it cranking enough and the values of neutrons and some gamma can
>>> come in to play to please everyone.
>>> Hence a gain on hysteriousness. Get enough going and its like John B
>>> said ...... its a free working fan as well! lol
>>> Warren its like Norman says... collect and build everything possible
>>> in the attempt to maintain desired heat values.
>>> By creating a flow battery you can use it on leds  or let it flow
>>> out to btu values .
>>>
>>> This should have been mine!  oh well!!!
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VonUp5Wicwk
>>>
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BMY2CbSodGk
>>>
>>>
>>> Here is another rant!
>>> Warren I picked at John B as much as possible , one question after
>>> another repeatedly. So I got little pieces of various projects
>>> through out our stay.
>>> John felt compelled to help me this way as he was not going to
>>> assist in helping the ferro inverter work.
>>> On my visits and many stays to Northern Finland I would go to
>>> Rovaniemi or Lapland.
>>> Way up North at night you can see phosphorous  lights going off and
>>> on like miniature leds in the hillside or mountains they call them. 
>>> I asked John what was the phosphorous material Henry Moray was
>>> collecting?
>>> Johns answer was , its really just phosphorous values with in
>>> elements and you can find value in almost anything except some have
>>> a better value than others.
>>> He said we used to build our components way back when actually when
>>> we wanted particular values. Said he would go out in Nevada or
>>> anywhere and look for various elements.
>>> So it was another head scratcher.  I put it in under my hat for a
>>> later play.
>>> I will not say a name , but later I witnessed just this being done.
>>> This guy has a case of clinically depression, I did not know at the
>>> time what this was only thought a couple beers is all he needed.
>>> The wife said no he will not get better with a couple of beers.
>>> So here .. he took apart a timer , not sure which model, the ones
>>> highly used in joule thief circuits.
>>> He took the timer apart and sprinkled or placed some thorium on it I
>>> think it was.
>>> Then put it in the oven for ten minutes or so. He seemed to know
>>> when was long enough.
>>> When he took it out and it cooled down it pretty much ran itself. YA
>>> This guy assisted in the circuitry for the rover, nasa.
>>> I took this concept to another value and started building
>>> phosphorous hho cells. endothermic exothermic !
>>> Any way hopes this helps.
>>> Really should have its own thread or forum I always thought.
>>>
>>> Bart
>>>
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>>> *From:* [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
>>> <[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected]> on behalf
>>> of Warren Keillor [email protected]
>>> <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY]
>>> <[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected]>
>>> *Sent:* January 19, 2019 10:16 AM
>>> *To:* [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [EVGRAY] plasma magnet
>>>  
>>>  
>>>
>>> Bart
>>>
>>> Years ago, you made up a prototype experiment, using a rotor, with
>>> slanted magnets, much like some self runners seem to be displaying.
>>> Perhaps, it might be re-cycled, using these new magnets, with that
>>> heat, cold, function, when driven?
>>> The trick is to see exactly where this heat, and cold actually
>>> appear, in order to exploit this phenomenon.
>>> Then measuring how much energy is detected, and how much energy was
>>> used to make it happen needs to be tested.
>>> Designing a good test is the challenge.
>>> Even if it matches contemporary refrigeration, or heating systems,
>>> it might be a contender, to be competitive, if simple enough.
>>> Cheers Warren
>>>
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>>>     On Sat, 19 Jan 2019 at 8:22 AM, [email protected]
>>>     <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY]
>>>     <[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected]> wrote:
>>>      
>>>
>>>     Hi Bart
>>>     I think I read about this before from some info you sent, in a
>>>     nutshell, a strong neodymium magnet being pushed towards the
>>>     gandolimium (sp?)stuff vrestez heat, but when it pulls away it
>>>     creates cold (other way around?) So its not too difficult to
>>>     make something mechanical or rotating to createheatorcold or
>>>     both...maybe they are using the super strong magnets now newly
>>>     available Norm posted rabout recently(N60 type?)
>>>     Kone
>>>
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