rv & alternator

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KoaZQtaw328 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KoaZQtaw328

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I don't see the point of having the rotoverter and generator in between the battery and inverter. Citing from below the video:
"RotoVerter of 5 HP coupled to a Car Alternator of 45 Amper 14 Volts, loading the 2 batteries connected in series 24 volts, that feeds the Nobreak 1200 VA, that feeds the Loads, that in the case 165 Watts of Light !!! All this Energy Spent 2.6 Amperes x 1 Phase 120 Volts + Neutral = 312 Watts"

If getting 165W load power from 312W consumed from the battery that's quite much waste! Why not just get an inverter for the battery voltage to output the voltage for the lamps. That could be done with around 90% efficiency to only waste around 10% of the power instead of almost half the power being wasted. With only the inverter between the power source and load there is even less equipment to wear and fail.

Regards
Ole
 

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 From: "arkresearch@... [EVGRAY]" <[email protected]>
 To: [email protected] 
 Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2018 3:00 PM
 Subject: [EVGRAY] rv & alternator
 
 
   
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KoaZQtaw328 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KoaZQtaw328

OleI did a fairly accurate experiment with the rotoverter, using the load in series with the capacitor circuit.The load in that particular çase was a 120 volt to 13.8 volt transformer, which was then rectified to dc to run a 12 volt electric outboard boat motor.I fed the rotoverter from a 5 amp 12 volt gel cell battery running a 12 volt to 120 volt inverter. First, the RV motor had to get up to speed, using a double pole double throw switch between grid 120 and the inverter battery produced 120 volts.Once running, and loaded, the draw at the battery was 1.5 amps, while the outboard motor was drawing 2.5 amps.I believe these results are plainly over unity in my case, 1.416 more out, than in.Incidentally, I later ran the Rene charger from the 24 volt tap on that same transformer, and could not detect any increase in amperage draw while it charged up several of those same 12 volt gel cell batteries, together in parallel, while at the same time running the test load outboard motor.I used both digital and analog meters at both ends, and for once, they all agreed with each other.
Cheers Warren
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  On Thu, 22 Nov 2018 at 5:21 PM, [email protected] [EVGRAY]<[email protected]> wrote:       
I don't see the point of having the rotoverter and generator in between the battery and inverter. Citing from below the video:
"RotoVerter of 5 HP coupled to a Car Alternator of 45 Amper 14 Volts, loading the 2 batteries connected in series 24 volts, that feeds the Nobreak 1200 VA, that feeds the Loads, that in the case 165 Watts of Light !!!All this Energy Spent 2.6 Amperes x 1 Phase 120 Volts + Neutral = 312 Watts"

If getting 165W load power from 312W consumed from the battery that's quite much waste! Why not just get an inverter for the battery voltage to output the voltage for the lamps. That could be done with around 90% efficiency to only waste around 10% of the power instead of almost half the power being wasted. With only the inverter between the power source and load there is even less equipment to wear and fail.

Regards
Ole



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Amen...  :  ]

  From: "arkresearch@... [EVGRAY]" <[email protected]>
 To: [email protected] 
 Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2018 3:00 PM
 Subject: [EVGRAY] rv & alternator
 
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KoaZQtaw328


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Hi guysAm I to conclude that no one in this group has replicated the zenon tube flasher generator with success?I only ask this, as I haven't noticed any answers regarding an earlier question to this subject.Cheers Warren

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  On Thu, 22 Nov 2018 at 6:11 PM, Warren Keillor [email protected] [EVGRAY]<[email protected]> wrote:       
Ole
I did a fairly accurate experiment with the rotoverter, using the load in series with the capacitor circuit.The load in that particular çase was a 120 volt to 13.8 volt transformer, which was then rectified to dc to run a 12 volt electric outboard boat motor.I fed the rotoverter from a 5 amp 12 volt gel cell battery running a 12 volt to 120 volt inverter. First, the RV motor had to get up to speed, using a double pole double throw switch between grid 120 and the inverter battery produced 120 volts.Once running, and loaded, the draw at the battery was 1.5 amps, while the outboard motor was drawing 2.5 amps.I believe these results are plainly over unity in my case, 1.416 more out, than in.Incidentally, I later ran the Rene charger from the 24 volt tap on that same transformer, and could not detect any increase in amperage draw while it charged up several of those same 12 volt gel cell batteries, together in parallel, while at the same time running the test load outboard motor.I used both digital and analog meters at both ends, and for once, they all agreed with each other.
Cheers Warren
Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
 
  On Thu, 22 Nov 2018 at 5:21 PM, [email protected] [EVGRAY]<[email protected]> wrote:       
I don't see the point of having the rotoverter and generator in between the battery and inverter. Citing from below the video:
"RotoVerter of 5 HP coupled to a Car Alternator of 45 Amper 14 Volts, loading the 2 batteries connected in series 24 volts, that feeds the Nobreak 1200 VA, that feeds the Loads, that in the case 165 Watts of Light !!!All this Energy Spent 2.6 Amperes x 1 Phase 120 Volts + Neutral = 312 Watts"

If getting 165W load power from 312W consumed from the battery that's quite much waste! Why not just get an inverter for the battery voltage to output the voltage for the lamps. That could be done with around 90% efficiency to only waste around 10% of the power instead of almost half the power being wasted. With only the inverter between the power source and load there is even less equipment to wear and fail.

Regards
Ole



---In [email protected], <stargatejrod@...> wrote :

Amen...  :  ]

  From: "arkresearch@... [EVGRAY]" <[email protected]>
 To: [email protected] 
 Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2018 3:00 PM
 Subject: [EVGRAY] rv & alternator
 
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KoaZQtaw328


    
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Warren,

I have tried this with many coil and core type many caps etc and no
dice.  Kone also mentioned to me he does not know of any successes on
this device, so if you find one let us know.  Hector claims to have used
a HVAC type cap to accomplish the saturation of the core he used/uses
but the core is the real pain to get right.


On 11/22/2018 3:31 PM, Warren Keillor [email protected]
[EVGRAY] wrote:
>  
>
> Hi guys
>
> Am I to conclude that no one in this group has replicated the zenon
> tube flasher generator with success?
> I only ask this, as I haven't noticed any answers regarding an earlier
> question to this subject.
> Cheers Warren
>
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
> <https://go.onelink.me/107872968?pid=InProduct&c=Global_Internal_YGrowth_AndroidEmailSig__AndroidUsers&af_wl=ym&af_sub1=Internal&af_sub2=Global_YGrowth&af_sub3=EmailSignature>
>
>     On Thu, 22 Nov 2018 at 6:11 PM, Warren Keillor
>     [email protected] [EVGRAY]
>     <[email protected]> wrote:
>      
>
>     Ole
>
>     I did a fairly accurate experiment with the rotoverter, using the
>     load in series with the capacitor circuit.
>     The load in that particular çase was a 120 volt to 13.8 volt
>     transformer, which was then rectified to dc to run a 12 volt
>     electric outboard boat motor.
>     I fed the rotoverter from a 5 amp 12 volt gel cell battery running
>     a 12 volt to 120 volt inverter. First, the RV motor had to get up
>     to speed, using a double pole double throw switch between grid 120
>     and the inverter battery produced 120 volts.
>     Once running, and loaded, the draw at the battery was 1.5 amps,
>     while the outboard motor was drawing 2.5 amps.
>     I believe these results are plainly over unity in my case, 1.416
>     more out, than in.
>     Incidentally, I later ran the Rene charger from the 24 volt tap on
>     that same transformer, and could not detect any increase in
>     amperage draw while it charged up several of those same 12 volt
>     gel cell batteries, together in parallel, while at the same time
>     running the test load outboard motor.
>     I used both digital and analog meters at both ends, and for once,
>     they all agreed with each other.
>     Cheers Warren
>     Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
>     <https://go.onelink.me/107872968?pid=InProduct&c=Global_Internal_YGrowth_AndroidEmailSig__AndroidUsers&af_wl=ym&af_sub1=Internal&af_sub2=Global_YGrowth&af_sub3=EmailSignature>
>
>         On Thu, 22 Nov 2018 at 5:21 PM, [email protected] [EVGRAY]
>         <[email protected]> wrote:
>          
>
>         I don't see the point of having the rotoverter and generator
>         in between the battery and inverter. Citing from below the video:
>         "RotoVerter of 5 HP coupled to a Car Alternator of 45 Amper 14
>         Volts, loading the 2 batteries connected in series 24 volts,
>         that feeds the Nobreak 1200 VA, that feeds the Loads, that in
>         the case 165 Watts of Light !!! All this Energy Spent 2.6
>         Amperes x 1 Phase 120 Volts + Neutral = 312 Watts"
>
>         If getting 165W load power from 312W consumed from the battery
>         that's quite much waste! Why not just get an inverter for the
>         battery voltage to output the voltage for the lamps. That
>         could be done with around 90% efficiency to only waste around
>         10% of the power instead of almost half the power being
>         wasted. With only the inverter between the power source and
>         load there is even less equipment to wear and fail.
>
>         Regards
>         Ole
>
>
>
>         ---In [email protected], <stargatejrod@...> wrote :
>
>         Amen...  :  ]
>
>
>         ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>         *From:* "arkresearch@... [EVGRAY]" <[email protected]>
>         *To:* [email protected]
>         *Sent:* Thursday, November 22, 2018 3:00 PM
>         *Subject:* [EVGRAY] rv & alternator
>
>          
>         https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KoaZQtaw328
>
>
>

Thanks MickAt least, now, I don't feel like such a lonely loser, suffering no success with that device.Cheers Warren

Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
 
  On Fri, 23 Nov 2018 at 11:21 AM, Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY]<[email protected]> wrote:       
 

Warren,
 
I have tried this with many coil and core type many caps etc and no dice.  Kone also mentioned to me he does not know of any successes on this device, so if you find one let us know.  Hector claims to have used a HVAC type cap to accomplish the saturation of the core he used/uses but the core is the real pain to get right.
 
 

 
 On 11/22/2018 3:31 PM, Warren Keillor [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
  
    
Hi guys
 Am I to conclude that no one in this group has replicated the zenon tube flasher generator with success? I only ask this, as I haven't noticed any answers regarding an earlier question to this subject. Cheers Warren
 
 Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
 
  On Thu, 22 Nov 2018 at 6:11 PM, Warren Keillor [email protected] [EVGRAY] <[email protected]> wrote:          
Ole
 I did a fairly accurate experiment with the rotoverter, using the load in series with the capacitor circuit. The load in that particular çase was a 120 volt to 13.8 volt transformer, which was then rectified to dc to run a 12 volt electric outboard boat motor. I fed the rotoverter from a 5 amp 12 volt gel cell battery running a 12 volt to 120 volt inverter. First, the RV motor had to get up to speed, using a double pole double throw switch between grid 120 and  the inverter battery produced 120 volts. Once running, and loaded, the draw at the battery was 1.5 amps, while the outboard motor was drawing 2.5 amps. I believe these results are plainly over unity in my case, 1.416 more out, than in. Incidentally, I later ran the Rene charger from the 24 volt tap on that same transformer, and could not detect any increase in amperage draw while it charged up several of those same 12 volt gel cell batteries, together  in parallel, while at the same time running the test load outboard motor. I used both digital and analog meters at both ends, and for once, they all agreed with each other.
 Cheers Warren
 Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
  
  On Thu, 22 Nov 2018 at 5:21 PM, [email protected] [EVGRAY] <[email protected]> wrote:          
I don't see the point of having the rotoverter and generator in between the battery and inverter. Citing from below the video:
 "RotoVerter of 5 HP coupled to a Car Alternator of 45 Amper 14 Volts, loading the 2 batteries connected  in series 24 volts, that feeds the Nobreak 1200 VA, that feeds the Loads, that in the  case 165 Watts of Light !!! All this Energy Spent 2.6 Amperes x 1 Phase 120 Volts + Neutral = 312 Watts"
 
 If getting 165W load power from 312W consumed from the battery that's quite much waste! Why not just get an inverter  for the battery voltage to output the voltage for the lamps. That could be done with around 90% efficiency to only waste around 10% of the power instead of almost half the power being wasted. With only the inverter between the power source and load  there is even less equipment to wear and fail.
 
 Regards
 Ole
 
 
 
 ---In [email protected], <stargatejrod@...> wrote :
 
   Amen...  :  ] 
 
       From: "arkresearch@... [EVGRAY]" <[email protected]>
 To:[email protected] 
 Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2018 3:00 PM
 Subject: [EVGRAY] rv & alternator
  
       https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KoaZQtaw328
      
 
               
         
   
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