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3 messages · 2018-10-03T14:50:40-07:00 → 2018-10-04T00:00:51+00:00

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2018-10-03T14:50:40-07:00 · Mick <[email protected]>
Message-ID: <[email protected]> 
Sven,

I don't see how this could help you unless you build a diode plug with
only the mica, but let's see if it makes any difference in addition to
the bucket of water, maybe, you never know until you try.  See how close
to total reactive you can use to charge caps with a pair of microwave
diodes, one on each leg. (you could try a full wave bridge rectifier of
microwave diodes and see if it charges faster but sometimes the half
wave are best.)  Use some big retentive caps at high voltage, then use a
buck circuit to drop the power and raise the current to about 24 volts
DC then use an inverter and try to loop.  As Konehead says be sure to
remove one leg of the cap from your source circuit before sinking power
from it and don't take all of it, leave some E in there so the impedance
stays high.

Or you could build a second all mica diode plug that is tuned at some
high harmonic and see if anything comes out.



On 10/3/2018 11:08 AM, SF [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>  
>
>
> Hi Mick, Norman, I now have about 150 to 230 uf in use on capacity.
> I've seen used mica caps with 330 nF on ebay if what brings them to
> switch is probably like a drop of water in a bucket. I have bought
> very old high voltage caps which are very retentive, if such a kind of
> electric power is created by the reactive power!?! Greetings Sven
>
>
> Von meinem Samsung Gerät gesendet.
>
>
> -------- Ursprüngliche Nachricht --------
> Von: "Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY]" <[email protected]>
> Datum: 03.10.18 14:35 (GMT+01:00)
> An: [email protected]
> Betreff: Re: Aw: Re: AW: Re: AW: Re: AW: Re: Re: [EVGRAY]
> Ferroresonance amplified by piezoelectric elements
>
>  
>
> I had a complete set of silver mics caps with values up to 1,000pf.. 
> Yes! they are low in cap values! Main use in RF circuits for high Q..
>
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>
>     On Wed, Oct 3, 2018 at 7:18 AM, [email protected] [EVGRAY]
>     <[email protected]> wrote:
>      
>     Not yet, I have to get such a silva Mica capacitor first or more
>     because they have very very small capacity values.
>
>     regards
>
>     Sven
>      
>     *Gesendet:* Mittwoch, 03. Oktober 2018 um 12:34 Uhr
>     *Von:* "Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY]"
>     <[email protected]>
>     *An:* [email protected]
>     *Betreff:* Re: AW: Re: AW: Re: AW: Re: Aw: Re: [EVGRAY]
>     Ferroresonance amplified by piezoelectric elements
>      
>
>      
>
>     http://www.rexresearch.com/1hodomra/05-5-20.htm       Joel & I
>     became great friends with Greg and it was one of his Mini MRAs
>     that tested 256X over unity and was submitted to Patent Office as
>     final affidavit!  Greg (RIP) was an Engineer at RCA Corp.   Sven,
>     this is the use of silver mica caps as piezo substitute!
>
>      
>     On 10/2/2018 5:38 PM, SF [email protected]
>     <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>
>          
>
>          
>
>         Hi Norman, I would like to try a Silva Mica capacitor as
>         additional capacity to the mp oil filled capacitors around the
>         q value increase if it is possible have already stable values
>         over q 30. extraction about diodeplug, search I still a way
>         the scrs later after the peak trigger, I think through the
>         phase shift has the classic phase control a problem, I still
>         think about a inductor after the ignition energy something
>         later after supplies. Greetings Sven
>          
>          
>          
>         Von meinem Samsung Gerät gesendet.
>
>
>         -------- Ursprüngliche Nachricht --------
>         Von: "Norman Wootan [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
>         [EVGRAY]" <[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected]>
>         Datum: 03.10.18 00:10 (GMT+01:00)
>         An: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
>         Betreff: Re: AW: Re: AW: Re: Aw: Re: [EVGRAY] Ferroresonance
>         amplified by piezoelectric elements
>
>          
>
>          
>
>         We substituted the planar, silver mica capacitors 680pf into
>         the mini MRA very successfully. They mimic the piezo in an
>         electronic circuit!
>
>          
>         On 10/2/2018 4:27 PM, SF [email protected]
>         <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>
>              
>
>              
>
>              
>             Hi Mick, in other words Mica silver or Mica capacitors
>             have the same effect as piezo materials, what is cog?
>             Because I with low frequencies work do I need already
>             capacities in uf area. Under Mica can I find what.
>             Greetings Sven
>              
>             Von meinem Samsung Gerät gesendet.
>
>
>             -------- Ursprüngliche Nachricht --------
>             Von: "Mick [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
>             [EVGRAY]" <[email protected]>
>             <mailto:[email protected]>
>             Datum: 02.10.18 22:14 (GMT+01:00)
>             An: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
>             Betreff: Re: AW: Re: Aw: Re: [EVGRAY] Ferroresonance
>             amplified by piezoelectric elements
>
>              
>
>              
>
>             Sven,
>
>             Anytime one adds more capacitors Q drops as ESR increases
>             so it works better if one can use the piezo for both
>             functions, if possible.  Many capacitors are also
>             piezoelectric materials such as the mica and COG.  Lower
>             frequencies do not matter as much.
>
>              
>             On 10/2/2018 12:12 PM, SF [email protected]
>             <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>
>                  
>
>                  
>
>                 Hi Mick, so I could try in addition to the caps piezo
>                 elements for this purpose to turn, there is there an
>                 increase of the q value or did you only with piezo worked?
>                  
>                  
>                  
>                 Von meinem Samsung Gerät gesendet.
>
>
>                 -------- Ursprüngliche Nachricht --------
>                 Von: "Mick [email protected]
>                 <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY]"
>                 <[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected]>
>                 Datum: 02.10.18 18:00 (GMT+01:00)
>                 An: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
>                 Betreff: Re: Aw: Re: [EVGRAY] Ferroresonance amplified
>                 by piezoelectric elements
>
>                  
>
>                  
>
>                 Hi Sven
>
>                 Yes I have used the little piezo transformers and have
>                 also used disks in a tank circuit acting as the
>                 capacitance.   On the transformers I was able to get
>                 the most gain by using sine waves as they like a clean
>                 signal without distortion components being of high Q
>                 at the designed frequency. Something I need to get
>                 back to in order to determine more facts.
>
>                  
>                 On 10/2/2018 5:37 AM, [email protected]
>                 <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>
>                      
>                     Hello Mick,
>
>                     Many thanks for the hints, unfortunately I can not
>                     find distribution in Germany or I have to search
>                     again.
>
>                     Have you ever included piezo elements in a
>                     reactive circuit?
>
>                     regards
>
>                     Sven
>                      
>                     *Gesendet:* Montag, 01. Oktober 2018 um 21:01 Uhr
>                     *Von:* "Mick [email protected]
>                     <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY]"
>                     <[email protected]>
>                     <mailto:[email protected]>
>                     *An:* [email protected]
>                     <mailto:[email protected]>
>                     *Betreff:* Re: [EVGRAY] Ferroresonance amplified
>                     by piezoelectric elements
>                      
>
>                      
>
>                     Sven
>
>                     Have a look here:
>
>                     http://steminc.com/
>
>                     http://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.7567/JJAP.55.086702
>
>                      
>                     On 10/1/2018 7:57 AM, [email protected]
>                     <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>
>                          
>
>                         Hello everyone, is it possible to use resonant
>                         capacitors in the case of FR transformer in
>                         addition to switching piezo elements in
>                         parallel or do the thin elements hold over 400V?
>
>                         The MRA of Norman works with a large piezo
>                         element, unfortunately I can not get something
>                         like this or I search wrong via google.
>
>                         regards
>
>                         Sven
>
>                      
>
>                      
>
>      
>
>      
>
>

[2/3] AW: Re: Aw: Re: AW: Re: AW: Re: AW: Re: Re: [EVGRAY] Ferroresonance amplified by piezoelectric elements

2018-10-03T20:08:05+02:00 · Sven Friedrich <[email protected]>
Message-ID: <[email protected]> 
Hi Mick, Norman, I now have about 150 to 230 uf in use on capacity. I've seen used mica caps with 330 nF on ebay if what brings them to switch is probably like a drop of water in a bucket. I have bought very old high voltage caps which are very retentive, if such a kind of electric power is created by the reactive power!?! Greetings Sven

Von meinem Samsung Gerät gesendet.

-------- Ursprüngliche Nachricht --------
Von: "Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY]" <[email protected]> 
Datum: 03.10.18  14:35  (GMT+01:00) 
An: [email protected] 
Betreff: Re: Aw: Re: AW: Re: AW: Re: AW: Re:  Re: [EVGRAY] Ferroresonance amplified by piezoelectric elements 


 



  


    
      
      
      I had a complete set of silver mics caps with values up to 1,000pf..  Yes! they are low in cap values! Main use in RF circuits for high Q..

Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
   On Wed, Oct 3, 2018 at 7:18 AM, [email protected] [EVGRAY]<[email protected]> wrote:   
 



  


    
      
      
      Not yet, I have to get such a silva Mica capacitor first or more because they have very very small capacity values.



regards



Sven
 

Gesendet: Mittwoch, 03. Oktober 2018 um 12:34 Uhr

Von: "Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY]" <[email protected]>

An: [email protected]

Betreff: Re: AW: Re: AW: Re: AW: Re: Aw: Re: [EVGRAY] Ferroresonance amplified by piezoelectric elements


 




 

http://www.rexresearch.com/1hodomra/05-5-20.htm       Joel & I became great friends with Greg and it was one of his Mini MRAs that tested 256X over unity and was submitted to Patent Office as final affidavit!  Greg (RIP) was an Engineer at RCA Corp.   Sven, this is the use of silver mica caps as piezo substitute!
 

On 10/2/2018 5:38 PM, SF [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:

 


 

Hi Norman, I would like to try a Silva Mica capacitor as additional capacity to the mp oil filled capacitors around the q value increase if it is possible have already stable values over q 30. extraction about diodeplug, search I still a way the scrs later after the peak trigger, I think through the phase shift has the classic phase control a problem, I still think about a inductor after the ignition energy something later after supplies. Greetings Sven

 

 

 


Von meinem Samsung Gerät gesendet.





-------- Ursprüngliche Nachricht --------

Von: "Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY]" <[email protected]>

Datum: 03.10.18 00:10 (GMT+01:00)

An: [email protected]

Betreff: Re: AW: Re: AW: Re: Aw: Re: [EVGRAY] Ferroresonance amplified by piezoelectric elements



 


 

We substituted the planar, silver mica capacitors 680pf into the mini MRA very successfully. They mimic the piezo in an electronic circuit!
 

On 10/2/2018 4:27 PM, SF [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:

 


 

 

Hi Mick, in other words Mica silver or Mica capacitors have the same effect as piezo materials, what is cog? Because I with low frequencies work do I need already capacities in uf area. Under Mica can I find what. Greetings Sven

 


Von meinem Samsung Gerät gesendet.





-------- Ursprüngliche Nachricht --------

Von: "Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY]" <[email protected]>

Datum: 02.10.18 22:14 (GMT+01:00)

An: [email protected]

Betreff: Re: AW: Re: Aw: Re: [EVGRAY] Ferroresonance amplified by piezoelectric elements



 


 

Sven,

Anytime one adds more capacitors Q drops as ESR increases so it works better if one can use the piezo for both functions, if possible.  Many capacitors are also piezoelectric materials such as the mica and COG.  Lower frequencies do not matter as much.
 

On 10/2/2018 12:12 PM, SF [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:

 


 

Hi Mick, so I could try in addition to the caps piezo elements for this purpose to turn, there is there an increase of the q value or did you only with piezo worked?

 

 

 


Von meinem Samsung Gerät gesendet.





-------- Ursprüngliche Nachricht --------

Von: "Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY]" <[email protected]>

Datum: 02.10.18 18:00 (GMT+01:00)

An: [email protected]

Betreff: Re: Aw: Re: [EVGRAY] Ferroresonance amplified by piezoelectric elements



 


 

Hi Sven

Yes I have used the little piezo transformers and have also used disks in a tank circuit acting as the capacitance.   On the transformers I was able to get the most gain by using sine waves as they like a clean signal without distortion components being of high Q at the designed frequency. Something I need to get back to in order to determine more facts.
 

On 10/2/2018 5:37 AM, [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:

 



Hello Mick,



Many thanks for the hints, unfortunately I can not find distribution in Germany or I have to search again.



Have you ever included piezo elements in a reactive circuit?



regards



Sven

 

Gesendet: Montag, 01. Oktober 2018 um 21:01 Uhr

Von: "Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY]" <[email protected]>

An: [email protected]

Betreff: Re: [EVGRAY] Ferroresonance amplified by piezoelectric elements


 




 

Sven

Have a look here:

http://steminc.com/

http://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.7567/JJAP.55.086702
 

On 10/1/2018 7:57 AM, [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:

 


Hello everyone, is it possible to use resonant capacitors in the case of FR transformer in addition to switching piezo elements in parallel or do the thin elements hold over 400V?



The MRA of Norman works with a large piezo element, unfortunately I can not get something like this or I search wrong via google.



regards



Sven

[3/3] Re: AW: Re: Aw: Re: AW: Re: AW: Re: AW: Re: Re: [EVGRAY] Ferroresonance amplified by piezoelectric elements

2018-10-04T00:00:51+00:00 · Douglas Konzen <[email protected]>
Message-ID: <[email protected]> 
Hi Sven
If using SCRs to switch diode plug ( I think at least) that there must be zero voltage in cap before the SCR will switch and so this means there must be  emptied-completely caps after discharge in the diode plug....is this correct?
If so, now it's much.more difficult to re-fill.the empty cap for next cycle as compared to a half-full cap for example.
Also creates problems where in the 1/4 wave exactly things will trigger too.
Try paralleled mosfets perhaps, and trigger with Ron Pugh's sinewave peak sensing circuit...use MOT as signal source and  power source too for it...pretty simple very accurate connect to mosfet driver chip imput....pulse width one chip using pot, where in sinewave adjust using another pot....third chip is chopper you can bypass by connectingosfet driver to J1 in circuit.
Paralell MOT HV side to AC you want to switch
The high impedance will affect nothing so use low voltage side of MOTs as signal amd.power for this circuit below...use scope when adjusting timing..
Here is circuit it works great:
https://sites.google.com/site/alternativeworldenergy/sinewave-peak-coil-shorting-circuits

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