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Sven Friedrich <[email protected]>

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Hi Mick, Norman, I now have about 150 to 230 uf in use on capacity. I've seen used mica caps with 330 nF on ebay if what brings them to switch is probably like a drop of water in a bucket. I have bought very old high voltage caps which are very retentive, if such a kind of electric power is created by the reactive power!?! Greetings Sven

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      I had a complete set of silver mics caps with values up to 1,000pf..  Yes! they are low in cap values! Main use in RF circuits for high Q..

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      Not yet, I have to get such a silva Mica capacitor first or more because they have very very small capacity values.



regards



Sven
 

Gesendet: Mittwoch, 03. Oktober 2018 um 12:34 Uhr

Von: "Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY]" <[email protected]>

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http://www.rexresearch.com/1hodomra/05-5-20.htm       Joel & I became great friends with Greg and it was one of his Mini MRAs that tested 256X over unity and was submitted to Patent Office as final affidavit!  Greg (RIP) was an Engineer at RCA Corp.   Sven, this is the use of silver mica caps as piezo substitute!
 

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Hi Norman, I would like to try a Silva Mica capacitor as additional capacity to the mp oil filled capacitors around the q value increase if it is possible have already stable values over q 30. extraction about diodeplug, search I still a way the scrs later after the peak trigger, I think through the phase shift has the classic phase control a problem, I still think about a inductor after the ignition energy something later after supplies. Greetings Sven

 

 

 


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We substituted the planar, silver mica capacitors 680pf into the mini MRA very successfully. They mimic the piezo in an electronic circuit!
 

On 10/2/2018 4:27 PM, SF [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:

 


 

 

Hi Mick, in other words Mica silver or Mica capacitors have the same effect as piezo materials, what is cog? Because I with low frequencies work do I need already capacities in uf area. Under Mica can I find what. Greetings Sven

 


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Sven,

Anytime one adds more capacitors Q drops as ESR increases so it works better if one can use the piezo for both functions, if possible.  Many capacitors are also piezoelectric materials such as the mica and COG.  Lower frequencies do not matter as much.
 

On 10/2/2018 12:12 PM, SF [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:

 


 

Hi Mick, so I could try in addition to the caps piezo elements for this purpose to turn, there is there an increase of the q value or did you only with piezo worked?

 

 

 


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Hi Sven

Yes I have used the little piezo transformers and have also used disks in a tank circuit acting as the capacitance.   On the transformers I was able to get the most gain by using sine waves as they like a clean signal without distortion components being of high Q at the designed frequency. Something I need to get back to in order to determine more facts.
 

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Hello Mick,



Many thanks for the hints, unfortunately I can not find distribution in Germany or I have to search again.



Have you ever included piezo elements in a reactive circuit?



regards



Sven

 

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Sven

Have a look here:

http://steminc.com/

http://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.7567/JJAP.55.086702
 

On 10/1/2018 7:57 AM, [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:

 


Hello everyone, is it possible to use resonant capacitors in the case of FR transformer in addition to switching piezo elements in parallel or do the thin elements hold over 400V?



The MRA of Norman works with a large piezo element, unfortunately I can not get something like this or I search wrong via google.



regards



Sven

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