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Since some folks don't understand that for a current to flow in a circuit, you have to have a potential ( Volts).   Back to fundamentals!

It just seems strange to me that there wasn't a word mentioned about it in
the article not even in the math ? If it's not in the math how do you
calculate for it in the power formula ? Electro magnets are a cousin of
transformers and other wire iron devices they have power formula requiring
voltage to get it right . just seemed strange . wattage can be maintained
by shifting the current voltage ratio but with out it included in the math
?well you can't express an outcome . I just ran into some e!electro magnets
with very thin wires and very hi voltages that had many more windings
giving them a lot of fleld strength . and I thought the effect might
transfer over to toroidal cores as a way to reduce the power needed to turn
off there magnetic attraction  .with more windings more field strength an
less power needed .  thanks norm .
On Sep 24, 2018 9:07 AM, "Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY]" <
[email protected]> wrote:

>
>
> https://www.allaboutcircuits.com/textbook/direct-current/chpt-1/voltage-current/
>
>
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>
> Since some folks don't understand that for a current to flow in a circuit,
> you have to have a potential ( Volts).   Back to fundamentals!
> 
>

Hi Norman,

"Since some folks don't understand that for a current to flow in a circuit, you have to have a potential ( Volts).   Back to fundamentals!"
This isn't necessary if the circuit has zero resistance but does apply to a resistive circuit. For a zero resistance circuit only initiating the current requires Volt x second = Weber aka magnetic flux https://wiki2.org/en/Weber_(unit) https://wiki2.org/en/Weber_(unit).

Regards
Ole
 

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 Since some folks don't understand that for a current to flow in a circuit, you have to have a potential ( Volts).   Back to fundamentals!

All it takes is one volt!   (differential in circuit).

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  On Mon, Sep 24, 2018 at 8:13 PM, [email protected] [EVGRAY]<[email protected]> wrote:       
Hi Norman,

"Since some folks don't understand that for a current to flow in a circuit, you have to have a potential ( Volts).   Back to fundamentals!"
This isn't necessary if the circuit has zero resistance but does apply to a resistive circuit. For a zero resistance circuit only initiating the current requires Volt x second = Weber aka magnetic flux https://wiki2.org/en/Weber_(unit).

Regards
Ole



---In [email protected], <nwootan@...> wrote :

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https://www.allaboutcircuits.com/textbook/direct-current/chpt-1/voltage-current/

http://www.rexresearch.com/testatik/testart.htm       This simple 
diagram is something to really think about.  I had an interesting 
conversation with Ken Shoulders ( Charged Cluster Experiments)  at a 
Denver New Energy Conference. I asked him what kind of power supply he 
used to charge his HV capacitors for the Charged Cluster Experiments.  
His reply was a Holtz Electrostatic generator. WOW!   I think you can 
readily pickup on how the Testatica Swiss Machine was able to convert 
electrostatic charge into current electricity.


On 9/25/2018 6:38 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>
> All it takes is one volt!   (differential in circuit).
>
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>
>     On Mon, Sep 24, 2018 at 8:13 PM, [email protected] [EVGRAY]
>     <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>     Hi Norman,
>
>     "Since some folks don't understand that for a current to flow in a
>     circuit, you have to have a potential ( Volts).   Back to
>     fundamentals!"
>     This isn't necessary if the circuit has zero resistance but does
>     apply to a resistive circuit. For a zero resistance circuit only
>     initiating the current requires Volt x second = Weber aka magnetic
>     flux https://wiki2.org/en/Weber_(unit)
>     <https://wiki2.org/en/Weber_%28unit%29>.
>
>     Regards
>     Ole
>
>
>
>     ---In [email protected], <nwootan@...> wrote :
>
>     https://www.allaboutcircuits.com/textbook/direct-current/chpt-1/voltage-current/
>
>
>     Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
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>
>     Since some folks don't understand that for a current to flow in a
>     circuit, you have to have a potential ( Volts).   Back to
>     fundamentals!
>
>

Norm,

The Holtz is an elegant design.

This is a very interesting patent as it described electrostatic combined
with electromagnetic in order to get useful current.  Part of the device
is a flux switch.

https://patents.google.com/patent/US3289066A/en


On 9/25/2018 9:55 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
> Holtz Electrostatic generator

Yes what you say is true my beef was that with out voltage being
representative in the math you can't postulate possibilities . I'm just
going on the fact that amps pluse  voltage = Watts but with there formula
it's not available to work with .there may be something here were not being
shown .is by using extremely fine wire and very hi voltages with being able
to say put four times the turns in the same place the magnetic field would
be accordingly greater  .or by this shift in magnetic power a lesser
wattage to achieve the same point of shut down on the toroidal core
stopping all magnetic attraction .would jump the efficiency  making it OU .
in the orbo .a efficient magnetic switch ..some go this way just for the
greater power period .I just want to turn off a core .I think amps with out
volts is just dead in the water .
On Sep 25, 2018 2:15 PM, "Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY]" <
[email protected]> wrote:

>
>
> Norm,
>
> The Holtz is an elegant design.
>
> This is a very interesting patent as it described electrostatic combined
> with electromagnetic in order to get useful current.  Part of the device
> is a flux switch.
>
> https://patents.google.com/patent/US3289066A/en
>
> On 9/25/2018 9:55 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
> > Holtz Electrostatic generator
>
> 
>

Like with a Muller generator .what if you could shut down half of the cores
and only have the power half running .yes there's the hivoltage to deal
with but it could be done .a multiple spark gap like Kelly shown on his PDF
.would feed a drop down transformer to collect the lower voltage .by
turning off half it run full out not resistance except for load
On Sep 25, 2018 2:43 PM, [email protected] wrote:

> Yes what you say is true my beef was that with out voltage being
> representative in the math you can't postulate possibilities . I'm just
> going on the fact that amps pluse  voltage = Watts but with there formula
> it's not available to work with .there may be something here were not being
> shown .is by using extremely fine wire and very hi voltages with being able
> to say put four times the turns in the same place the magnetic field would
> be accordingly greater  .or by this shift in magnetic power a lesser
> wattage to achieve the same point of shut down on the toroidal core
> stopping all magnetic attraction .would jump the efficiency  making it OU .
> in the orbo .a efficient magnetic switch ..some go this way just for the
> greater power period .I just want to turn off a core .I think amps with out
> volts is just dead in the water .
> On Sep 25, 2018 2:15 PM, "Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY]" <
> [email protected]> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Norm,
>>
>> The Holtz is an elegant design.
>>
>> This is a very interesting patent as it described electrostatic combined
>> with electromagnetic in order to get useful current.  Part of the device
>> is a flux switch.
>>
>> https://patents.google.com/patent/US3289066A/en
>>
>> On 9/25/2018 9:55 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>> > Holtz Electrostatic generator
>>
>> 
>>
>

I want to put this out to all on the subject of Dynamic Aether and how 
we can learn to tap this energy.  Remember Martin Luther King, I have a 
dream??   Well, about a month ago I had a very strange dream regarding 
our quest for tapping the aether for power.  I remember Tom Bearden 
(RIP) making the statement that in dealing with this problem we must 
Think Backwards, in other words think in reciprocal, Inverse, Opposite 
to what we have learned down through the years of Academia Dogma.   Ok! 
here is the crux of the dream that I had!  Like Love, most times we are 
looking in all the wrong places.  We have often heard that a magnet is 
simply a material that has the domains in the molecular lattic all 
aligned to cause an entrainment of Aether flow that causes the 
manifestation of a field that we measure as magnetic flux.  The flux 
lines are an artifact of the aetheric flow. When we simply move a 
conductor through the aetheric lines we cause an EMF to develop and if 
we close the circuit a real current happens just as depicted in the 
simple diagram below when we place a conductor between two opposite 
charged objects.   Now we get to the inverse thinking.  We all know that 
electrostatic charge in a capacitor is stored in the dielectric media 
and not on the plates or conductive surfaces. It is displacement of 
electrons in the dielectric media (polorized). Let's look at the many 
versions of Electrostatic generators or Influence Machines that tap the 
dielectric media for the electrons that are concentrated in storage 
capacitors (condensers) (Leyden Jars).  We all learned in 9th grade 
Physics Classes that the Electrostatic Generator, Whinshurst, Holtz and 
all other were stripping electrons from the air or other material that 
were an electron source.   I was Ok with that explanation till I got 
heavily involved with elecrtostatics and ran across the very powerful 
machines that used deep vacuum and even hydrogen as a dielectric media.  
Now I had to go back and read The Physics of the Primary State of 
Matter, Davson, 1955 in which we find that a hard vacuum contains 
concentrated aether in the form of a cold plasma.  Ah! Ha! now we have 
clue as to how an Influence Machine operating in a hard vacuum can 
accumulate a huge electron charge. The Felici Hydrogen Media machine  is 
the most powerful electrostatic generator ever built and gives an output 
at 3KW.  In my dream, we learned how to utilize the dielectric as the 
source of our power and not conductors passing through a magnetic flux 
field.  We have to think about converting the concentrated aether into 
electrons in-order to do our work!  The simple diagram below gives us 
the answer, in that if we have polorized  charge and provide a 
conductive path we will have an resultant current cause the 
potential(EMF) is already present.    The converter of aetheric energy 
into electrons is the Felici Generator or other machines similar in 
theory. See: 
http://www.webring.org/l/rd?ring=teslaring;id=1;url=http%3A%2F%2Fu2%2Elege%2Enet%2Fnewebmasters%2Ecom__freeenergy%2Fexternal_links_from_theverylastpageoftheinternet%2Ecom%2Fhighvoltage%2FHVgenerator%2FHVgenerator%2Ehtm


On 9/25/2018 11:55 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>
> https://www.allaboutcircuits.com/textbook/direct-current/chpt-1/voltage-current/
>
> http://www.rexresearch.com/testatik/testart.htm This simple diagram is 
> something to really think about.  I had an interesting conversation 
> with Ken Shoulders ( Charged Cluster Experiments)  at a Denver New 
> Energy Conference. I asked him what kind of power supply he used to 
> charge his HV capacitors for the Charged Cluster Experiments.  His 
> reply was a Holtz Electrostatic generator.  WOW!   I think you can 
> readily pickup on how the Testatica Swiss Machine was able to convert 
> electrostatic charge into current electricity.
>
>
> On 9/25/2018 6:38 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>
>> All it takes is one volt!   (differential in circuit).
>>
>> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
>> <https://go.onelink.me/107872968?pid=InProduct&c=Global_Internal_YGrowth_AndroidEmailSig__AndroidUsers&af_wl=ym&af_sub1=Internal&af_sub2=Global_YGrowth&af_sub3=EmailSignature>
>>
>>     On Mon, Sep 24, 2018 at 8:13 PM, [email protected] [EVGRAY]
>>     <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>     Hi Norman,
>>
>>     "Since some folks don't understand that for a current to flow in
>>     a circuit, you have to have a potential ( Volts).  Back to
>>     fundamentals!"
>>     This isn't necessary if the circuit has zero resistance but does
>>     apply to a resistive circuit. For a zero resistance circuit only
>>     initiating the current requires Volt x second = Weber aka
>>     magnetic flux https://wiki2.org/en/Weber_(unit)
>>     <https://wiki2.org/en/Weber_%28unit%29>.
>>
>>     Regards
>>     Ole
>>
>>
>>
>>     ---In [email protected], <nwootan@...> wrote :
>>
>>     https://www.allaboutcircuits.com/textbook/direct-current/chpt-1/voltage-current/
>>
>>
>>     Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
>>     <https://go.onelink.me/107872968?pid=InProduct&c=Global_Internal_YGrowth_AndroidEmailSig__AndroidUsers&af_wl=ym&af_sub1=Internal&af_sub2=Global_YGrowth&af_sub3=EmailSignature>
>>
>>     Since some folks don't understand that for a current to flow in a
>>     circuit, you have to have a potential ( Volts).   Back to
>>     fundamentals!
>>
>
>

Norm,

My mistake.  Looked as though it could be used to transvert E to EM.


On 9/26/2018 12:29 PM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>  
>
> Mick, The Van DeGraff https://patents.google.com/patent/US3289066A/en
> is not an electrostatic derived machine!  Sorry! No Cigar!
>
>
> On 9/25/2018 2:15 PM, Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>  
>>
>> Norm,
>>
>> The Holtz is an elegant design.
>>
>> This is a very interesting patent as it described electrostatic combined
>> with electromagnetic in order to get useful current.  Part of the device
>> is a flux switch.
>>
>> https://patents.google.com/patent/US3289066A/en
>>
>> On 9/25/2018 9:55 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>> > Holtz Electrostatic generator
>>
>
>

Mick, The Van DeGraff https://patents.google.com/patent/US3289066A/en is 
not an electrostatic derived machine!  Sorry! No Cigar!


On 9/25/2018 2:15 PM, Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>
> Norm,
>
> The Holtz is an elegant design.
>
> This is a very interesting patent as it described electrostatic combined
> with electromagnetic in order to get useful current.  Part of the device
> is a flux switch.
>
> https://patents.google.com/patent/US3289066A/en
>
> On 9/25/2018 9:55 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
> > Holtz Electrostatic generator
>
>

https://patents.google.com/patent/US3289066A/en Mick, this machine is 
not Electrostatic based machine. See the original Holtz Electrostatic 
machines!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrostatic_generator#Holtz_machine

http://physics.kenyon.edu/EarlyApparatus/Static_Electricity/Toepler-Holtz_Machine/Toepler-Holtz_Machine.html

http://www.coe.ufrj.br/~acmq/holtz.html

http://www.hp-gramatke.net/history/english/page4000.htm

https://books.google.com/books?id=DbHl9J05am4C&pg=PA35&source=gbs_toc_r&cad=4#v=onepage&q&f=false

https://accelconf.web.cern.ch/accelconf/e88/PDF/EPAC1988_1465.PDF

https://phys.org/news/2014-04-electrostatic.html

https://arc.aiaa.org/doi/abs/10.2514/3.28756?journalCode=jsr

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrostatics

http://www4.ncsu.edu/~franzen/public_html/CH736/lecture/Dielectric_Polarization.pdf



On 9/26/2018 9:25 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>
> I want to put this out to all on the subject of Dynamic Aether and how 
> we can learn to tap this energy.  Remember Martin Luther King, I have 
> a dream??   Well, about a month ago I had a very strange dream 
> regarding our quest for tapping the aether for power.  I remember Tom 
> Bearden (RIP) making the statement that in dealing with this problem 
> we must Think Backwards, in other words think in reciprocal, Inverse, 
> Opposite to what we have learned down through the years of Academia 
> Dogma.   Ok! here is the crux of the dream that I had!  Like Love, 
> most times we are looking in all the wrong places.  We have often 
> heard that a magnet is simply a material that has the domains in the 
> molecular lattic all aligned to cause an entrainment of Aether flow 
> that causes the manifestation of a field that we measure as magnetic 
> flux.  The flux lines are an artifact of the aetheric flow. When we 
> simply move a conductor through the aetheric lines we cause an EMF to 
> develop and if we close the circuit a real current happens just as 
> depicted in the simple diagram below when we place a conductor between 
> two opposite charged objects.   Now we get to the inverse thinking.  
> We all know that electrostatic charge in a capacitor is stored in the 
> dielectric media and not on the plates or conductive surfaces. It is 
> displacement of electrons in the dielectric media (polorized). Let's 
> look at the many versions of Electrostatic generators or Influence 
> Machines that tap the dielectric media for the electrons that are 
> concentrated in storage capacitors (condensers) (Leyden Jars).  We all 
> learned in 9th grade Physics Classes that the Electrostatic Generator, 
> Whinshurst, Holtz and all other were stripping electrons from the air 
> or other material that were an electron source.   I was Ok with that 
> explanation till I got heavily involved with elecrtostatics and ran 
> across the very powerful machines that used deep vacuum and even 
> hydrogen as a dielectric media.  Now I had to go back and read The 
> Physics of the Primary State of Matter, Davson, 1955 in which we find 
> that a hard vacuum contains concentrated aether in the form of a cold 
> plasma.  Ah! Ha! now we have clue as to how an Influence Machine 
> operating in a hard vacuum can accumulate a huge electron charge.  The 
> Felici Hydrogen Media machine  is the most powerful electrostatic 
> generator ever built and gives an output at 3KW.  In my dream, we 
> learned how to utilize the dielectric as the source of our power and 
> not conductors passing through a magnetic flux field.  We have to 
> think about converting the concentrated aether into electrons in-order 
> to do our work!  The simple diagram below gives us the answer, in that 
> if we have polorized  charge and provide a conductive path we will 
> have an resultant current cause the potential(EMF) is already 
> present.    The converter of aetheric energy into electrons is the 
> Felici Generator or other machines similar in theory. See: 
> http://www.webring.org/l/rd?ring=teslaring;id=1;url=http%3A%2F%2Fu2%2Elege%2Enet%2Fnewebmasters%2Ecom__freeenergy%2Fexternal_links_from_theverylastpageoftheinternet%2Ecom%2Fhighvoltage%2FHVgenerator%2FHVgenerator%2Ehtm
>
>
> On 9/25/2018 11:55 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>
>> https://www.allaboutcircuits.com/textbook/direct-current/chpt-1/voltage-current/
>>
>> http://www.rexresearch.com/testatik/testart.htm This simple diagram 
>> is something to really think about.  I had an interesting 
>> conversation with Ken Shoulders ( Charged Cluster Experiments)  at a 
>> Denver New Energy Conference. I asked him what kind of power supply 
>> he used to charge his HV capacitors for the Charged Cluster 
>> Experiments.  His reply was a Holtz Electrostatic generator.  WOW!   
>> I think you can readily pickup on how the Testatica Swiss Machine was 
>> able to convert electrostatic charge into current electricity.
>>
>>
>> On 9/25/2018 6:38 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>
>>> All it takes is one volt!   (differential in circuit).
>>>
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>>>
>>>     On Mon, Sep 24, 2018 at 8:13 PM, [email protected] [EVGRAY]
>>>     <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>     Hi Norman,
>>>
>>>     "Since some folks don't understand that for a current to flow in
>>>     a circuit, you have to have a potential ( Volts).   Back to
>>>     fundamentals!"
>>>     This isn't necessary if the circuit has zero resistance but does
>>>     apply to a resistive circuit. For a zero resistance circuit only
>>>     initiating the current requires Volt x second = Weber aka
>>>     magnetic flux https://wiki2.org/en/Weber_(unit)
>>>     <https://wiki2.org/en/Weber_%28unit%29>.
>>>
>>>     Regards
>>>     Ole
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>     ---In [email protected], <nwootan@...> wrote :
>>>
>>>     https://www.allaboutcircuits.com/textbook/direct-current/chpt-1/voltage-current/
>>>
>>>
>>>     Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
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>>>
>>>     Since some folks don't understand that for a current to flow in
>>>     a circuit, you have to have a potential ( Volts).   Back to
>>>     fundamentals!
>>>
>>
>
>

Norm you said that a Hi voltage step down transformer would be needed .but
I know this may fly in the face of known understanding but you might be
able to use a large cap like a 450 or 1000 vac oil cap and bleed off the
energy before it reaches the caps rating . I think the caps ratings are for
a full cap .not a filling cap .by using a neon with a MOSFET you can bleed
off at 96 volts reset at 65 volts .never getting near the voltage to
destroy it .sounds nuts but might work . I think those ratings are like a
tire ratings you go over boom .but if you bleed it you may never reach the
catastrophic dielectric break down . of course if you stuff fails and you
go to it it will let you know .a little testing might be in order .
On Sep 26, 2018 9:25 AM, "Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY]" <
[email protected]> wrote:

>
>
> I want to put this out to all on the subject of Dynamic Aether and how we
> can learn to tap this energy.  Remember Martin Luther King, I have a
> dream??   Well, about a month ago I had a very strange dream regarding our
> quest for tapping the aether for power.  I remember Tom Bearden (RIP)
> making the statement that in dealing with this problem we must Think
> Backwards, in other words think in reciprocal, Inverse, Opposite to what we
> have learned down through the years of Academia Dogma.   Ok! here is the
> crux of the dream that I had!  Like Love, most times we are looking in all
> the wrong places.  We have often heard that a magnet is simply a material
> that has the domains in the molecular lattic all aligned to cause an
> entrainment of Aether flow that causes the manifestation of a field that we
> measure as magnetic flux.  The flux lines are an artifact of the aetheric
> flow. When we simply move a conductor through the aetheric lines we cause
> an EMF to develop and if we close the circuit a real current happens just
> as depicted in the simple diagram below when we place a conductor between
> two opposite charged objects.   Now we get to the inverse thinking.  We all
> know that electrostatic charge in a capacitor is stored in the dielectric
> media and not on the plates or conductive surfaces. It is displacement of
> electrons in the dielectric media (polorized). Let's look at the many
> versions of Electrostatic generators or Influence Machines that tap the
> dielectric media for the electrons that are concentrated in storage
> capacitors (condensers) (Leyden Jars).  We all learned in 9th grade Physics
> Classes that the Electrostatic Generator, Whinshurst, Holtz and all other
> were stripping electrons from the air or other material that were an
> electron source.   I was Ok with that explanation till I got heavily
> involved with elecrtostatics and ran across the very powerful machines that
> used deep vacuum and even hydrogen as a dielectric media.  Now I had to go
> back and read The Physics of the Primary State of Matter, Davson, 1955 in
> which we find that a hard vacuum contains concentrated aether in the form
> of a cold plasma.  Ah! Ha! now we have clue as to how an Influence Machine
> operating in a hard vacuum can accumulate a huge electron charge.  The
> Felici Hydrogen Media machine  is the most powerful electrostatic generator
> ever built and gives an output at 3KW.  In my dream, we learned how to
> utilize the dielectric as the source of our power and not conductors
> passing through a magnetic flux field.  We have to think about converting
> the concentrated aether into electrons in-order to do our work!  The simple
> diagram below gives us the answer, in that if we have polorized  charge and
> provide a conductive path we will have an resultant current cause the
> potential(EMF) is already present.    The converter of aetheric energy into
> electrons is the Felici Generator or other machines similar in theory.
> See:  http://www.webring.org/l/rd?ring=teslaring;id=1;url=http%
> 3A%2F%2Fu2%2Elege%2Enet%2Fnewebmasters%2Ecom__freeenergy%2Fexternal_links_
> from_theverylastpageoftheinternet%2Ecom%2Fhighvoltage%
> 2FHVgenerator%2FHVgenerator%2Ehtm
>
> On 9/25/2018 11:55 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>
>
>
> https://www.allaboutcircuits.com/textbook/direct-current/
> chpt-1/voltage-current/
>
> http://www.rexresearch.com/testatik/testart.htm       This simple diagram
> is something to really think about.  I had an interesting conversation with
> Ken Shoulders ( Charged Cluster Experiments)  at a Denver New Energy
> Conference. I asked him what kind of power supply he used to charge his HV
> capacitors for the Charged Cluster Experiments.  His reply was a Holtz
> Electrostatic generator.  WOW!   I think you can readily pickup on how the
> Testatica Swiss Machine was able to convert electrostatic charge into
> current electricity.
>
> On 9/25/2018 6:38 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>
>
>
> All it takes is one volt!   (differential in circuit).
>
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
> <https://go.onelink.me/107872968?pid=InProduct&c=Global_Internal_YGrowth_AndroidEmailSig__AndroidUsers&af_wl=ym&af_sub1=Internal&af_sub2=Global_YGrowth&af_sub3=EmailSignature>
>
> On Mon, Sep 24, 2018 at 8:13 PM, [email protected] [EVGRAY]
> <[email protected]> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
> Hi Norman,
>
> "Since some folks don't understand that for a current to flow in a
> circuit, you have to have a potential ( Volts).   Back to fundamentals!"
> This isn't necessary if the circuit has zero resistance but does apply to
> a resistive circuit. For a zero resistance circuit only initiating the
> current requires Volt x second = Weber aka magnetic flux
> https://wiki2.org/en/Weber_(unit).
>
> Regards
> Ole
>
>
> ---In [email protected], <nwootan@...> <nwootan@...> wrote :
>
> https://www.allaboutcircuits.com/textbook/direct-current/chpt-1/voltage-current/
>
>
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
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>
> Since some folks don't understand that for a current to flow in a circuit,
> you have to have a potential ( Volts).   Back to fundamentals!
>
>
>
> 
>

Reread all my post on doing electrets , charging a dielectric permanently to act as a quantum diode rectifier to separate electrons in 2 opposite charges
within 2 plates . glass , quartz , ceramics can be charged this way .

to create permanently charge oriented dielectrics ...

Amen ! 

(H) 

 ..

4127804 is a rather interesting patent for conversion of E to Em
utilizing a pair of inverse offset variable cap plates spun by a motor
so as one variable cap is lowering capacity the other is raising it. 
The device can be switched for true bipolar AC or not for unipolar output.


On 9/26/2018 6:03 PM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>  
>
> Ole!!!!  You have mixed apples with oranges here!  Look at the Patent
> we are referring to and see that Van de Graff patented the
> electromagnetic device  https://patents.google.com/patent/US3289066A/en
>
> Your Van  de Graff electrostatic generator is different animal
> Patented by same gentleman!  I  owned a very large Van de Graff
> generator that came out of SLAC. Stanford Linear Accelerator Complex
> and donated it to the Tesla Museum at Colorado Springs.  Sorry for the
> misunderstanding of what we were discussing!
>
>
> On 9/26/2018 5:43 PM, [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>  
>>
>> Hi Norman,
>>
>> The device normally known as a Van de Graaff generator is
>> electrostatic according to the patent: *1935-02-12*
>> *US1991236A*ELECTROSTATIC GENERATOR
>> (https://patents.google.com/patent/US1991236A/en?inventor=Graaff+Robert+J+Van+De)
>>
>> This is actually a constant current generator meaning the voltage
>> keeps on climbing until it flashes over or leaks away at the current
>> rate it is outputting. The voltage can climb to MV value. Some use
>> pressured gas for insulation.
>>
>> https://wiki2.org/en/Van_de_Graaff_generator
>>
>> If anybody is planning to build or buy a small Van de Graaff
>> generator Larry Wandell shows some interesting experiments on how to
>> make a permanent magnet pick up nonmagnetic materials by first
>> charging them with a handheld Van de Graaff generator:
>> https://www.youtube.com/user/bluedoaify/videos. Even wood can be
>> attracted to the magnet this way. Perhaps this effect is the way to
>> make an antigravity craft.
>>
>> Regards
>> Ole
>>
>>
>>
>> ---In [email protected], <nwootan@...> wrote :
>>
>> Mick, The Van DeGraff https://patents.google.com/patent/US3289066A/en
>> is not an electrostatic derived machine!  Sorry! No Cigar!
>>
>>
>> On 9/25/2018 2:15 PM, Mick mkjekyll@... <mailto:mkjekyll@...>
>> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>
>>>      
>>>
>>>     Norm,
>>>
>>>     The Holtz is an elegant design.
>>>
>>>     This is a very interesting patent as it described electrostatic
>>>     combined
>>>     with electromagnetic in order to get useful current.  Part of
>>>     the device
>>>     is a flux switch.
>>>
>>>     https://patents.google.com/patent/US3289066A/en
>>>
>>>     On 9/25/2018 9:55 AM, Norman Wootan nwootan@...
>>>     <mailto:nwootan@...> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>     > Holtz Electrostatic generator
>>>
>>
>
>

Ole!!!!  You have mixed apples with oranges here!  Look at the Patent we 
are referring to and see that Van de Graff patented the electromagnetic 
device https://patents.google.com/patent/US3289066A/en

Your Van  de Graff electrostatic generator is different animal Patented 
by same gentleman!  I  owned a very large Van de Graff generator that 
came out of SLAC. Stanford Linear Accelerator Complex and donated it to 
the Tesla Museum at Colorado Springs.  Sorry for the misunderstanding of 
what we were discussing!


On 9/26/2018 5:43 PM, [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>
> Hi Norman,
>
> The device normally known as a Van de Graaff generator is 
> electrostatic according to the patent: *1935-02-12* 
> *US1991236A*ELECTROSTATIC GENERATOR 
> (https://patents.google.com/patent/US1991236A/en?inventor=Graaff+Robert+J+Van+De)
>
> This is actually a constant current generator meaning the voltage 
> keeps on climbing until it flashes over or leaks away at the current 
> rate it is outputting. The voltage can climb to MV value. Some use 
> pressured gas for insulation.
>
> https://wiki2.org/en/Van_de_Graaff_generator
>
> If anybody is planning to build or buy a small Van de Graaff generator 
> Larry Wandell shows some interesting experiments on how to make a 
> permanent magnet pick up nonmagnetic materials by first charging them 
> with a handheld Van de Graaff generator: 
> https://www.youtube.com/user/bluedoaify/videos. Even wood can be 
> attracted to the magnet this way. Perhaps this effect is the way to 
> make an antigravity craft.
>
> Regards
> Ole
>
>
>
> ---In [email protected], <nwootan@...> wrote :
>
> Mick, The Van DeGraff https://patents.google.com/patent/US3289066A/en 
> is not an electrostatic derived machine!  Sorry! No Cigar!
>
>
> On 9/25/2018 2:15 PM, Mick mkjekyll@... <mailto:mkjekyll@...> [EVGRAY] 
> wrote:
>
>>     Norm,
>>
>>     The Holtz is an elegant design.
>>
>>     This is a very interesting patent as it described electrostatic
>>     combined
>>     with electromagnetic in order to get useful current.  Part of the
>>     device
>>     is a flux switch.
>>
>>     https://patents.google.com/patent/US3289066A/en
>>
>>     On 9/25/2018 9:55 AM, Norman Wootan nwootan@...
>>     <mailto:nwootan@...> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>     > Holtz Electrostatic generator
>>
>
>

Reread you post ?
Hector I can't even access the posts from Yahoo there such a problem .I
think you've described them better in the past .I'm locked out this what I
have is all I got .can look up the Genesis coil .ect .big gap I
communications .always has been.
On Sep 26, 2018 3:23 PM, "Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY]" <
[email protected]> wrote:

>
>
> Norm,
>
> My mistake.  Looked as though it could be used to transvert E to EM.
>
> On 9/26/2018 12:29 PM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>
>
>
> Mick, The Van DeGraff https://patents.google.com/patent/US3289066A/en is
> not an electrostatic derived machine!  Sorry! No Cigar!
>
> On 9/25/2018 2:15 PM, Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>
>
>
> Norm,
>
> The Holtz is an elegant design.
>
> This is a very interesting patent as it described electrostatic combined
> with electromagnetic in order to get useful current.  Part of the device
> is a flux switch.
>
> https://patents.google.com/patent/US3289066A/en
>
> On 9/25/2018 9:55 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
> > Holtz Electrostatic generator
>
>
>
> 
>

Hi Norman,

The device normally known as a Van de Graaff generator is electrostatic according to the patent: 1935-02-12 US1991236A ELECTROSTATIC GENERATOR (https://patents.google.com/patent/US1991236A/en?inventor=Graaff+Robert+J+Van+De https://patents.google.com/patent/US1991236A/en?inventor=Graaff+Robert+J+Van+De)

This is actually a constant current generator meaning the voltage keeps on climbing until it flashes over or leaks away at the current rate it is outputting. The voltage can climb to MV value. Some use pressured gas for insulation.

https://wiki2.org/en/Van_de_Graaff_generator https://wiki2.org/en/Van_de_Graaff_generator

If anybody is planning to build or buy a small Van de Graaff generator Larry Wandell shows some interesting experiments on how to make a permanent magnet pick up nonmagnetic materials by first charging them with a handheld Van de Graaff generator: https://www.youtube.com/user/bluedoaify/videos https://www.youtube.com/user/bluedoaify/videos. Even wood can be attracted to the magnet this way. Perhaps this effect is the way to make an antigravity craft.

Regards
Ole
 

---In [email protected], <nwootan@...> wrote :

 Mick, The Van DeGraff https://patents.google.com/patent/US3289066A/en https://patents.google.com/patent/US3289066A/en is not an electrostatic derived machine!  Sorry! No Cigar!

 
 On 9/25/2018 2:15 PM, Mick mkjekyll@... mailto:mkjekyll@... [EVGRAY] wrote:

   Norm,
 
 The Holtz is an elegant design.
 
 This is a very interesting patent as it described electrostatic combined
 with electromagnetic in order to get useful current.  Part of the device
 is a flux switch.
 
 https://patents.google.com/patent/US3289066A/en https://patents.google.com/patent/US3289066A/en
 
 On 9/25/2018 9:55 AM, Norman Wootan nwootan@... mailto:nwootan@... [EVGRAY] wrote:
 > Holtz Electrostatic generator

OK you take flat earth as an electrode plate , the turtle as another and heat the 3 elephants to red hot wile charging the earth positive and the turtle negative  the elephants will get charged up , in doing so let them charge to at least 7kV then let them cool down wile keeping the charge ...

   sorry was the most simple layman explanation available at the moment in my brain ! 


(H) 
  
 

---In [email protected], <jglinski01@...> wrote :

 Reread you post ?
 Hector I can't even access the posts from Yahoo there such a problem .I think you've described them better in the past .I'm locked out this what I have is all I got .can look up the Genesis coil .ect .big gap I communications .always has been.
 On Sep 26, 2018 3:23 PM, "Mick mkjekyll@... mailto:mkjekyll@... [EVGRAY]" <[email protected] mailto:[email protected]> wrote:
   
 Norm,
 My mistake.  Looked as though it could be used to transvert E to EM.

 
 On 9/26/2018 12:29 PM, Norman Wootan nwootan@... mailto:nwootan@... [EVGRAY] wrote:

   
 Mick, The Van DeGraff https://patents.google.com/ patent/US3289066A/en https://patents.google.com/patent/US3289066A/en is not an electrostatic derived machine!  Sorry! No Cigar!

 
 On 9/25/2018 2:15 PM, Mick mkjekyll@... mailto:mkjekyll@... [EVGRAY] wrote:

   Norm,
 
 The Holtz is an elegant design.
 
 This is a very interesting patent as it described electrostatic combined
 with electromagnetic in order to get useful current.  Part of the device
 is a flux switch.
 
 https://patents.google.com/ patent/US3289066A/en https://patents.google.com/patent/US3289066A/en
 
 On 9/25/2018 9:55 AM, Norman Wootan nwootan@... mailto:nwootan@... [EVGRAY] wrote:
 > Holtz Electrostatic generator

Hi Norman,

Sorry my mistake. You did mention that other patent while I thought of the traditional physics lab Van de Graaff generator.

Regards
Ole
 

---In [email protected], <nwootan@...> wrote :

 Ole!!!!  You have mixed apples with oranges here!  Look at the Patent we are referring to and see that Van de Graff patented the electromagnetic device  https://patents.google.com/patent/US3289066A/en https://patents.google.com/patent/US3289066A/en
 
 Your Van  de Graff electrostatic generator is different animal Patented by same gentleman!  I  owned a very large Van de Graff generator that came out of SLAC. Stanford Linear Accelerator Complex and donated it to the Tesla Museum at Colorado Springs.  Sorry for the misunderstanding of what we were discussing!
 
 
 On 9/26/2018 5:43 PM, onielsen@... mailto:onielsen@... [EVGRAY] wrote:

   Hi Norman,
 
 The device normally known as a Van de Graaff generator is electrostatic according to the patent: 1935-02-12 US1991236A ELECTROSTATIC GENERATOR (https://patents.google.com/patent/US1991236A/en?inventor=Graaff+Robert+J+Van+De https://patents.google.com/patent/US1991236A/en?inventor=Graaff+Robert+J+Van+De)
 
 This is actually a constant current generator meaning the voltage keeps on climbing until it flashes over or leaks away at the current rate it is outputting. The voltage can climb to MV value. Some use pressured gas for insulation.
 
 https://wiki2.org/en/Van_de_Graaff_generator https://wiki2.org/en/Van_de_Graaff_generator
 
 If anybody is planning to build or buy a small Van de Graaff generator Larry Wandell shows some interesting experiments on how to make a permanent magnet pick up nonmagnetic materials by first charging them with a handheld Van de Graaff generator: https://www.youtube.com/user/bluedoaify/videos https://www.youtube.com/user/bluedoaify/videos. Even wood can be attracted to the magnet this way. Perhaps this effect is the way to make an antigravity craft.
 
 Regards
 Ole

 
 
 ---In [email protected] mailto:[email protected], <nwootan@...> mailto:nwootan@... wrote :
 
 Mick, The Van DeGraff https://patents.google.com/patent/US3289066A/en https://patents.google.com/patent/US3289066A/en is not an electrostatic derived machine!  Sorry! No Cigar!

 
 On 9/25/2018 2:15 PM, Mick mkjekyll@... mailto:mkjekyll@... [EVGRAY] wrote:

   Norm,
 
 The Holtz is an elegant design.
 
 This is a very interesting patent as it described electrostatic combined
 with electromagnetic in order to get useful current.  Part of the device
 is a flux switch.
 
 https://patents.google.com/patent/US3289066A/en https://patents.google.com/patent/US3289066A/en
 
 On 9/25/2018 9:55 AM, Norman Wootan nwootan@... mailto:nwootan@... [EVGRAY] wrote:
 > Holtz Electrostatic generator