Re: [EVGRAY] Max. Quality factor of resonance and max. Impedance of a coil [1 Attachment]

Sven,

Have you tried building the diode plug to work on harmonics of the root
frequency?

It may help if you build the diode plug with the decade box concept like
rotoverter in order to tune the device while operating.  Try using
silver mica or glass capacitors for fine tuning after the course tuning
of the oil caps.

Q as you say is very R dependent and this is determined by the design of
the transformer you have chosen.  One hopes the designers have done
their best but there is always room from improvement such as the
annealing of copper that Norm brought up and the use of more expensive
core materials that ring better than silicon steel such as amorphous
strip wound core or Hyperco 50a.


On 6/2/2018 5:51 AM, [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>  
>
>
> Hello people, for me, the resonance in the transverter is the same as
> the energy stored in a coil in the Renecharger, Bedini wheel, etc.
> only at resonance this energy is detected from 2 sides as the polarity
> changes and is shifted by the capacitor.
>
> Perhaps very borrowed, but I think perhaps more understandable in the
> implementation in the brain. laughing.
>
> For a high Q summed up I need:
>
> A very low ohmic resistance in the inductor and a high inductance to
> get both is not easy unless you add the amplifier iron.
>
> This strong short current peak as I did on the oscilloscope picture I
> get only at very high inductance.
>
> My explicit question is:
>
> When is high-Q reached ???
>
> Slowly, I can switch more and more capacity to it and the resonant
> energy continues to increase, the transformer gets partly really hot,
> nevertheless the Q increases in relation to the input power. The heat
> is then really only loss.
>
> Compared to the FR transformer and the three-phase transformer, I have
> to say that you can lower the voltage on the primary side of the FR
> transformer significantly further to keep the voltage primary or the
> resonance, as is possible with the three-phase transformer.
> But I have to say that the primary coil in the three-phase transformer
> has a much higher impedance as the FR transformer which also makes a
> difference.
>
> With the Rotoverter Alternator the performance weakens again, with too
> much capacity, there one finds the optimal point more easily.
>
> I think I'm working with the diode plug with too much capacity, I will
> try to charge smaller capacitors and work with smaller coupling
> capacitors, probably less energy would be enough to saturate the
> pushpull transformer to harvest the same energy as now.
>
> Hector I would wish if you could write more clearly, I know that you
> are cryptic, because there are many spies here who have nothing good
> in mind.
>
> Best regards
>
> Sven
>
>
>

Ole,

Coherent means orderly and defined and therefore can Wilber Smiths
meaning be construed to mean other things besides the physics
description of phase frequency and motionally equivalent?

Did he in any of his treatises provide a further definition of coherent
via either construction or context?

I keep thinking of acceleration of charge due to conservation of angular
momentum, one could call it the Schauberger effect.


On 6/2/2018 11:26 AM, [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>  
>
> Hi Mick,
>
> My belief on the Cotnoir device is that he mix the separate fields of
> several coils into a coherent field. At least this can explain the
> very high power factor (overunity). The magnetic field of several
> coils shares the same magnetic path by overlapping while the current
> is shared by the coils electrically being in series as if the coils
> was a single coil. This makes the field coherent as in a coil of many
> turns which definitely gives a coherent magnetic field. The input to
> the coils is a serial connection and the magnetic path is a
> combination of parallel and serial connections.
>
> Pierre does claim that there is a secret to the device that he hasn't
> told yet.
>
> Regards
> Ole
>
>
>
> ---In [email protected], <mkjekyll@...> wrote :
>
> Ole,
>
> The Cotnoir device is also loosly coupled so not adversely affecting
> the Q of the primary by dampening.
>
> I beleive his device did work on a type of resonace but rather phase
> resonance as the proper speed of the relays firing would have created
> the phase shift required to create a motional rather than stationary
> pulsed field.
>
> Experimenting with 2 coils and a pickup coil in the center I have
> found very little energy is transferred by DC pulsing until the two
> supply primaries are phase shifted in relation to each other.
>

Hello people, for me, the resonance in the transverter is the same as the energy stored in a coil in the Renecharger, Bedini wheel, etc. only at resonance this energy is detected from 2 sides as the polarity changes and is shifted by the capacitor.

Perhaps very borrowed, but I think perhaps more understandable in the implementation in the brain. laughing.

For a high Q summed up I need:

A very low ohmic resistance in the inductor and a high inductance to get both is not easy unless you add the amplifier iron.

This strong short current peak as I did on the oscilloscope picture I get only at very high inductance.

My explicit question is:

When is high-Q reached ???

Slowly, I can switch more and more capacity to it and the resonant energy continues to increase, the transformer gets partly really hot, nevertheless the Q increases in relation to the input power. The heat is then really only loss.

Compared to the FR transformer and the three-phase transformer, I have to say that you can lower the voltage on the primary side of the FR transformer significantly further to keep the voltage primary or the resonance, as is possible with the three-phase transformer.
But I have to say that the primary coil in the three-phase transformer has a much higher impedance as the FR transformer which also makes a difference.

With the Rotoverter Alternator the performance weakens again, with too much capacity, there one finds the optimal point more easily.

I think I'm working with the diode plug with too much capacity, I will try to charge smaller capacitors and work with smaller coupling capacitors, probably less energy would be enough to saturate the pushpull transformer to harvest the same energy as now.

Hector I would wish if you could write more clearly, I know that you are cryptic, because there are many spies here who have nothing good in mind.

Best regards

Sven

Hi Sven,

"When is high-Q reached ???"
High Q is when the system is underdamped which is when the response gives more than one oscillation after being stimulated by an impulse.

https://wiki2.org/en/Q_factor https://wiki2.org/en/Q_factor

http://www.radio-electronics.com/info/formulae/q-quality-factor/basics-tutorial.php http://www.radio-electronics.com/info/formulae/q-quality-factor/basics-tutorial.php

Sven did you study Pierre Cotnoir's device. It didn't seem to rely on resonance. Resonance is hard to achieve during changing loads. Pierre's device worked well during different loads. He mixed about six phases in the stator with overlapping coils. Unfortunately the device caught fire because of using mechanical relays that welds the contacts when abused the way he did.

Regards
Ole
 

---In [email protected], <s.friedrich@...> wrote :

 
Hello people, for me, the resonance in the transverter is the same as the energy stored in a coil in the Renecharger, Bedini wheel, etc. only at resonance this energy is detected from 2 sides as the polarity changes and is shifted by the capacitor.

Perhaps very borrowed, but I think perhaps more understandable in the implementation in the brain. laughing.

For a high Q summed up I need:

A very low ohmic resistance in the inductor and a high inductance to get both is not easy unless you add the amplifier iron.

This strong short current peak as I did on the oscilloscope picture I get only at very high inductance.

My explicit question is:

When is high-Q reached ???

Slowly, I can switch more and more capacity to it and the resonant energy continues to increase, the transformer gets partly really hot, nevertheless the Q increases in relation to the input power. The heat is then really only loss.

Compared to the FR transformer and the three-phase transformer, I have to say that you can lower the voltage on the primary side of the FR transformer significantly further to keep the voltage primary or the resonance, as is possible with the three-phase transformer.
But I have to say that the primary coil in the three-phase transformer has a much higher impedance as the FR transformer which also makes a difference.

With the Rotoverter Alternator the performance weakens again, with too much capacity, there one finds the optimal point more easily.

I think I'm working with the diode plug with too much capacity, I will try to charge smaller capacitors and work with smaller coupling capacitors, probably less energy would be enough to saturate the pushpull transformer to harvest the same energy as now.

Hector I would wish if you could write more clearly, I know that you are cryptic, because there are many spies here who have nothing good in mind.

Best regards

Sven

Ole, 

 The Cotnoir device is also loosly coupled so not adversely affecting the Q of the primary by dampening.
 

 I beleive his device did work on a type of resonace but rather phase resonance as the proper speed of the relays firing would have created the phase shift required to create a motional rather than stationary pulsed field.
 

 Experimenting with 2 coils and a pickup coil in the center I have found very little energy is transferred by DC pulsing until the two supply primaries are phase shifted in relation to each other.

Hi Ole,

the device of Pierre Cotnoir is too complex for me, I still keep it with the transverter, I think the goal is always the same only different approaches.

I have uploaded a Scope image with extremely high power, for me it's high-Q, is that high enough?

The 3-phase transformer that I have is wound with very thick copper enamel wire no matter how I connect it the ohmic resistance is very low the inductance naturally increases strongly.
Am now at 1.5 kv peak and 3.054 kv peak peak.
So I can of course more reactive power drive with smaller power and the temperatures are not so high and the power is still sharper.

What interests me the most, the Hector with a 3 Watt Pulser a 3 phase Transformer resonated with great reactive power.

I wonder if it is enough to simply pulse the drive coil like a flyback converter to generate resonance energy in coil C.

Since each leg of the transformer has a winding wound bifilar one could also use these to drive the drive coil as a push pull with short sharp peaks, such an inverter would have to build then probably.

Honestly, I'm doing a little hard with that, because mostly the IGBTs were destroyed after a short time, the topic Snubber is already a case in itself. I've got a couple of SiC mosfets around here to play with, maybe they're more resilient.

I now have everything to play with the transverter with batteries, unfortunately I do not have the time to do this for professional reasons.
But I read all posts at least that are related to the subject of free energy.

Best regards

Sven

Hello Mick,

the diode plug detects the voltage spike and discharges it in a load, the frequency remains constant at 50Hz.

So the 3-phase transformer is adjusted via several switchable capacitors, as you can see on the pictures I've posted times.

I tuned the diode plug with adjustable inductors using Variacs. In addition, I have found equality over the impedance of the capacitors to use the capacitors that have the most similar properties.

The diode plug works wonderfully, the energy is not properly tuned to the source reflekierend not matter but how much load you connects the energy is no longer that should be clear to everyone.

I think the transformer I use is perfect for the application as a transverter, it has 3 single windings on each core which are very low ohmic and can be connected to high impedance. A winding is even designed bifilar, so that a direct push-pull operation in the control is possible. I think about it more and more.
If I could resonate the transverter with this 100W real power output, I would have achieved my goal.

Maybe the control is the hardest task!?!

Of course you can get even better results for better materials, but I think Hector does not have them at least not at least.

I think if he goes to my lab, he'll probably build a finished system out of my components in a few hours.

Best regards

Sven

Hi Mick,

My belief on the Cotnoir device is that he mix the separate fields of several coils into a coherent field. At least this can explain the very high power factor (overunity). The magnetic field of several coils shares the same magnetic path by overlapping while the current is shared by the coils electrically being in series as if the coils was a single coil. This makes the field coherent as in a coil of many turns which definitely gives a coherent magnetic field. The input to the coils is a serial connection and the magnetic path is a combination of parallel and serial connections.

Pierre does claim that there is a secret to the device that he hasn't told yet.

Regards
Ole
 

---In [email protected], <mkjekyll@...> wrote :

 Ole, 

 The Cotnoir device is also loosly coupled so not adversely affecting the Q of the primary by dampening.
 

 I beleive his device did work on a type of resonace but rather phase resonance as the proper speed of the relays firing would have created the phase shift required to create a motional rather than stationary pulsed field.
 

 Experimenting with 2 coils and a pickup coil in the center I have found very little energy is transferred by DC pulsing until the two supply primaries are phase shifted in relation to each other.

Hi Sven,

"I have uploaded a Scope image with extremely high power, for me it's high-Q, is that high enough?"
High enough for what? How much amplification is needed?

Have you found the free energy yet? This ought to be the primary goal. I don't see what the purpose is for that super high efficiency. If it is for energy storage a battery would be a better alternative I guess. A battery may not be that efficient but if having free energy that really doesn't matter that much.

"I wonder if it is enough to simply pulse the drive coil like a flyback converter to generate resonance energy in coil C."
Yes definitely. As long as the pulses are shorter then the frequency of the oscillatons this will actually be a great way of resonating a system. That was the way the master of resonance N. Tesla did it by using ultra short pulses.

Cotnoir just showed the latest selfrunner. There are many of them. The principle looks very simple. Just use the principle and make a simpler device and don't use mechanical relays like he did. I'm building a hex MOSFET bridge to try some experiments along that way. This is still a scale model compared to Pierre's device. Pierre's next model will take him three to six months to build due to limited time. My progress is slow too due to same reason.

Regards
Ole
 

---In [email protected], <s.friedrich@...> wrote :

 Hi Ole,

the device of Pierre Cotnoir is too complex for me, I still keep it with the transverter, I think the goal is always the same only different approaches.

I have uploaded a Scope image with extremely high power, for me it's high-Q, is that high enough?

The 3-phase transformer that I have is wound with very thick copper enamel wire no matter how I connect it the ohmic resistance is very low the inductance naturally increases strongly.
Am now at 1.5 kv peak and 3.054 kv peak peak.
So I can of course more reactive power drive with smaller power and the temperatures are not so high and the power is still sharper.

What interests me the most, the Hector with a 3 Watt Pulser a 3 phase Transformer resonated with great reactive power.

I wonder if it is enough to simply pulse the drive coil like a flyback converter to generate resonance energy in coil C.

Since each leg of the transformer has a winding wound bifilar one could also use these to drive the drive coil as a push pull with short sharp peaks, such an inverter would have to build then probably.

Honestly, I'm doing a little hard with that, because mostly the IGBTs were destroyed after a short time, the topic Snubber is already a case in itself. I've got a couple of SiC mosfets around here to play with, maybe they're more resilient.

I now have everything to play with the transverter with batteries, unfortunately I do not have the time to do this for professional reasons.
But I read all posts at least that are related to the subject of free energy.

Best regards

Sven

Hi Mick,

W.B. Smith talks about coherent fields in the way of storing energy. He gives the example of energy in a magnetic field like in a coil. When two similar coils have the same current through them they each may represent one unit of energy. If then the same two coils share the same space (i.e. wound on the same core) and still share the same current they suddenly store four units of energy instead of the two units when wound on two separate cores of still the same type. This shows that when the field becomes coherent it stores double the energy of the same two fields when incoherent (separate or just added). The trick is to input the energy as separate fields and then mix them into a coherent field. This is what I believe Pierre Cotnoir has achieved. Several free energy devices are using this principle.

Regards
Ole
 

---In [email protected], <mkjekyll@...> wrote :

 Ole,
 Coherent means orderly and defined and therefore can Wilber Smiths meaning be construed to mean other things besides the physics description of phase frequency and motionally equivalent?
 Did he in any of his treatises provide a further definition of coherent via either construction or context? 

 I keep thinking of acceleration of charge due to conservation of angular momentum, one could call it the Schauberger effect.

 
 On 6/2/2018 11:26 AM, onielsen@... mailto:onielsen@... [EVGRAY] wrote:

   Hi Mick,
 
 My belief on the Cotnoir device is that he mix the separate fields of several coils into a coherent field. At least this can explain the very high power factor (overunity). The magnetic field of several coils shares the same magnetic path by overlapping while the current is shared by the coils electrically being in series as if the coils was a single coil. This makes the field coherent as in a coil of many turns which definitely gives a coherent magnetic field. The input to the coils is a serial connection and the magnetic path is a combination of parallel and serial connections.
 
 Pierre does claim that there is a secret to the device that he hasn't told yet.
 
 Regards
 Ole

 
 
 ---In [email protected] mailto:[email protected], <mkjekyll@...> mailto:mkjekyll@... wrote :
 
 Ole, 

 The Cotnoir device is also loosly coupled so not adversely affecting the Q of the primary by dampening.
 

 I beleive his device did work on a type of resonace but rather phase resonance as the proper speed of the relays firing would have created the phase shift required to create a motional rather than stationary pulsed field.
 

 Experimenting with 2 coils and a pickup coil in the center I have found very little energy is transferred by DC pulsing until the two supply primaries are phase shifted in relation to each other.