Re: [EVGRAY] Max. Quality factor of resonance and max. Impedance of a coil [1 Attachment]

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Sven,

Have you tried building the diode plug to work on harmonics of the root
frequency?

It may help if you build the diode plug with the decade box concept like
rotoverter in order to tune the device while operating.  Try using
silver mica or glass capacitors for fine tuning after the course tuning
of the oil caps.

Q as you say is very R dependent and this is determined by the design of
the transformer you have chosen.  One hopes the designers have done
their best but there is always room from improvement such as the
annealing of copper that Norm brought up and the use of more expensive
core materials that ring better than silicon steel such as amorphous
strip wound core or Hyperco 50a.


On 6/2/2018 5:51 AM, [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
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> Hello people, for me, the resonance in the transverter is the same as
> the energy stored in a coil in the Renecharger, Bedini wheel, etc.
> only at resonance this energy is detected from 2 sides as the polarity
> changes and is shifted by the capacitor.
>
> Perhaps very borrowed, but I think perhaps more understandable in the
> implementation in the brain. laughing.
>
> For a high Q summed up I need:
>
> A very low ohmic resistance in the inductor and a high inductance to
> get both is not easy unless you add the amplifier iron.
>
> This strong short current peak as I did on the oscilloscope picture I
> get only at very high inductance.
>
> My explicit question is:
>
> When is high-Q reached ???
>
> Slowly, I can switch more and more capacity to it and the resonant
> energy continues to increase, the transformer gets partly really hot,
> nevertheless the Q increases in relation to the input power. The heat
> is then really only loss.
>
> Compared to the FR transformer and the three-phase transformer, I have
> to say that you can lower the voltage on the primary side of the FR
> transformer significantly further to keep the voltage primary or the
> resonance, as is possible with the three-phase transformer.
> But I have to say that the primary coil in the three-phase transformer
> has a much higher impedance as the FR transformer which also makes a
> difference.
>
> With the Rotoverter Alternator the performance weakens again, with too
> much capacity, there one finds the optimal point more easily.
>
> I think I'm working with the diode plug with too much capacity, I will
> try to charge smaller capacitors and work with smaller coupling
> capacitors, probably less energy would be enough to saturate the
> pushpull transformer to harvest the same energy as now.
>
> Hector I would wish if you could write more clearly, I know that you
> are cryptic, because there are many spies here who have nothing good
> in mind.
>
> Best regards
>
> Sven
>
>
>

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