Single phase motor problem

Hi GuysI am working on the flywheel.I have managed to get it up to full speed using a 1 hp single phase 120 volt 3200 rpm ac motor, with the generator connected also by belt.I had to use a Lovejoy sliding motor mount under the motor, letting the belt slip for quite a long time as the flywheel comes up to speed. It is a fairly large diameter 100 lb flywheel.So far there is no load on the generator, as I have not put dc to the slip rings from my power supply , a variac, and rectifier.My question concerns the panel breakers. They are 20 amps, and have been been blowing them. It is very marginal power to the stone barn, at best.Can I use heavier capacitors, or should I use a higher hp motor?I have yet to switch on the generator rotor magnet, until I get everything under
control, both mechanically and electrically. The flywheel goes at a very scary speed, perhaps2000 rpm or more.There is a bit of vibration which I have been working on. It is getting better as I improve the balance of the wheel.Everything needs lock washers, and so on.I also have a 3hp and a five hp I can try, if I take them off my air compressors.Ideas?Cheers Warren
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HiMay just put some soap on the belt, then tighten it after it's up to speed?
 

    On Friday, March 23, 2018, 2:08:08 p.m. MDT, Warren Keillor [email protected] [EVGRAY] <[email protected]> wrote:  
 
     
Hi Guys
I am working on the flywheel.I have managed to get it up to full speed using a 1 hp single phase 120 volt 3200 rpm ac motor, with the generator connected also by belt.I had to use a Lovejoy sliding motor mount under the motor, letting the belt slip for quite a long time as the flywheel comes up to speed. It is a fairly large diameter 100 lb flywheel.So far there is no load on the generator, as I have not put dc to the slip rings from my power supply , a variac, and rectifier.My question concerns the panel breakers. They are 20 amps, and have been been blowing them. It is very marginal power to the stone barn, at best.Can I use heavier capacitors, or should I use a higher hp motor?I have yet to switch on the generator rotor magnet, until I get everything under
control, both mechanically and electrically. The flywheel goes at a very scary speed, perhaps2000 rpm or more.There is a bit of vibration which I have been working on. It is getting better as I improve the balance of the wheel.Everything needs lock washers, and so on.I also have a 3hp and a five hp I can try, if I take them off my air compressors.Ideas?Cheers Warren
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MachinationsGood idea with soap on the belt.Cheers Warren

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  On Fri, Mar 23, 2018 at 5:08 PM, machinationus [email protected] [EVGRAY]<[email protected]> wrote:       

HiMay just put some soap on the belt, then tighten it after it's up to speed?
 

    On Friday, March 23, 2018, 2:08:08 p.m. MDT, Warren Keillor [email protected] [EVGRAY] <[email protected]> wrote:  
 
     
Hi Guys
I am working on the flywheel.I have managed to get it up to full speed using a 1 hp single phase 120 volt 3200 rpm ac motor, with the generator connected also by belt.I had to use a Lovejoy sliding motor mount under the motor, letting the belt slip for quite a long time as the flywheel comes up to speed. It is a fairly large diameter 100 lb flywheel.So far there is no load on the generator, as I have not put dc to the slip rings from my power supply , a variac, and rectifier.My question concerns the panel breakers. They are 20 amps, and have been been blowing them. It is very marginal power to the stone barn, at best.Can I use heavier capacitors, or should I use a higher hp motor?I have yet to switch on the generator rotor magnet, until I get everything under
control, both mechanically and electrically. The flywheel goes at a very scary speed, perhaps2000 rpm or more.There is a bit of vibration which I have been working on. It is getting better as I improve the balance of the wheel.Everything needs lock washers, and so on.I also have a 3hp and a five hp I can try, if I take them off my air compressors.Ideas?Cheers Warren
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Warren,
 

 Can you use two motors to bring it up to speed?
 

 Let them both slip until final speed then flip the belt off the bigger motor and leave it running on the 1 horse.
 

 Ron

RinI only have 20 ampsCheers Warren

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  On Fri, Mar 23, 2018 at 7:37 PM, [email protected] [EVGRAY]<[email protected]> wrote:       


Warren,
Can you use two motors to bring it up to speed?
Let them both slip until final speed then flip the belt off the bigger motor and leave it running on the 1 horse.
Ron
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Fly wheels are like capacitors in they leak, OU simply spaces from them . and if improperly oriented will destroy earth rotation as all gyroscopic force vectoring from every rotary machine is doing now ...

forget global warming its the billions of gyroscopes spinning on it that will kill the earth ....copy this warning and publish it in every forum you know so they start remediation ... time we leave the wheel propulsion and use anty-gravity
else all of you will die because of it ..

(H)

Use a dc motor so you can vary the voltage and bring it up to speed.Or use a inverter with a freq. control to your 3 phase motor.hector warns us, don't fuck with the earths rotation haha 

    On Saturday, March 24, 2018 12:54 AM, "[email protected] [EVGRAY]" <[email protected]> wrote:
 

     Fly wheels are like capacitors in they leak, OU simply spaces from them . and if improperly oriented will destroy earth rotation as all gyroscopic force vectoring from every rotary machine is doing now ...

forget global warming its the billions of gyroscopes spinning on it that will kill the earth ....copy this warning and publish it in every forum you know so they start remediation ... time we leave the wheel propulsion and use anty-gravity
else all of you will die because of it ..

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DaveI have the dc motors.I have managed to successfully get the flywheel turning at full speed using the adjustable precision sliding motor mount that allows the B width industrial belt to slip, until the wheel catches up speed. It is exponential, it would appear, how much torque is required to excellerate the wheel, something we know from driving a car.We flatline the car with wind drag and valve float, along with the combined drag of the mechanical components.The flywheel is far simplier, and even somewhat aerodynamic. In my case, being from a big old marine diesel, it has a ring gear attached, supplying a tiny bit of drag, which, for our speeds, is of little consequence. Belts are not perfect, but for my interest, I just want to see if the concept works, as I admit, it is quite a crazy one.If it works, then, I have plenty of practical uses for energy around here.Somehow, I have difficulty relating to Hector's argument seeing an 18 wheeler roaring down the highway carrying a load of transformers.These are just stations on the way in the quest for a pure energy that we can actually integrate into our lives.Getting back to the tool kit idea, it is important to know about these things, how to make them, and use them.It is about learning about then, not going nuts having a crazy orgy with them until you destroy your ancestral home.However, the prudent employment of these small plants, can' t be bad compared with that 18 wheel tank truck delivering fuel to you. Each tire, wheel, and brake drum weighing more than one complete flywheel machine.Let's see iff we can squeeze some energy out of a flywheeel before we take our thoughts beyond our belly buttons.Get back to your benches guys, that gap between concept, and reality needs filling!Cheers Warren
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  On Sat, Mar 24, 2018 at 6:41 AM, Dave Muckerman [email protected] [EVGRAY]<[email protected]> wrote:       

Use a dc motor so you can vary the voltage and bring it up to speed.Or use a inverter with a freq. control to your 3 phase motor.hector warns us, don't fuck with the earths rotation haha 

    On Saturday, March 24, 2018 12:54 AM, "[email protected] [EVGRAY]" <[email protected]> wrote:
 

     Fly wheels are like capacitors in they leak, OU simply spaces from them . and if improperly oriented will destroy earth rotation as all gyroscopic force vectoring from every rotary machine is doing now ...

forget global warming its the billions of gyroscopes spinning on it that will kill the earth ....copy this warning and publish it in every forum you know so they start remediation ... time we leave the wheel propulsion and use anty-gravity
else all of you will die because of it ..

(H)   

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Hi Warren ,
                              is the 20  amp breaker tripping when you are trying to run up motor and  flywheel .
 There are different type of breakers  .There is one for   motors like well pumps for example ( they have alonger delay before tripping to let motor start up ). Think they are d type  on this side of the pond . Probably something similar  over  your side . Talk  to electrician or better yet if you can talk to knowledgeable guy in  store /shop that supplies electricians .
 

                                                                                                                         Joe.

Hi JoeThat's not a bad idea.I can and will try that.I have managed to get the one horse 120 volt 60hz single phase motor to turn the 100 lb flywheel up to about at least 2000 rpm without snapping the breaker, now that I am using the Lovejoy precision sliding motor mount.By turning a crank wheel I advance the motor away from the rotational centre of the big wheel tightening the belt very gradually, allowing the industrial width belt to slip slightly rather than fiercely load the motor.The suggestion regarding using some soap on the belt is also a good one to cut down the coefficiency of belt friction enough, to allow the time for the wheel to increase velocity relative to the motor pulley rim speed which will be faster until they match velocity.It seems that part is working.It is also able to turn the pulleys and belt to the generator, giving 3600 + rpm no load from generator yet.This whole proccess involves balancing pulleys, belts, stiffening  generator and motor fastenings, and ensuring smoothoperation from all the drive train so it is quiet, and efficient.Once that is stable, we can measure how much power is going in from the wall socket.The next challenge is to see what the generator can do.It is a 3600 rpm TroyBilt 60 hz 120/240 volt 2.6 kwI need to know what,  if anything, I can get out of this 1 hp motor driving this particular generator, using all this apparatus. I can't calculate all the various frictions, and drag issues.I am just looking at the bulk numbers.Close is good enough.If we have to clean bearings of grease, it is not a real practical system,  & becomes just a theoretical system. I have a 3 hp and a 5 hp single phase 120 volt motor on each of my air compressors.  The 3 hp is 15 ampsThey are there, waiting, if needed.This whole adventure is about weight, velocity, and time, with that weird wild card thrown into the mix,  centrifugal rotation, relative perhaps to the Earth' s rotation, which maybe connected to the clockwork of the universe, right hete in my own home.Cheers Warren
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  On Sat, Mar 24, 2018 at 9:38 AM, [email protected] [EVGRAY]<[email protected]> wrote:       


  Hi Warren ,                             is the 20  amp breaker tripping when you are trying to run up motor and  flywheel .There are different type of breakers  .There is one for   motors like well pumps for example ( they have alonger delay before tripping to let motor start up ). Think they are d type  on this side of the pond . Probably something similar  over  your side . Talk  to electrician or better yet if you can talk to knowledgeable guy in  store /shop that supplies electricians .
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Warren, 

 do you not have a small Honda engine?
 

 Ron

RonYes, but why do you ask?I have a little Honda 500 watt generator, and a number of small engines, both diesel, and gas. Only some are Hondas.Cheers Warren

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  On Sat, Mar 24, 2018 at 11:41 AM, [email protected] [EVGRAY]<[email protected]> wrote:       
Warren,

do you not have a small Honda engine?
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Warren,
 

 Because either a DC motor or the Honda will bring the flywheel up to speed.
 

 Ron