Dotto Ring

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You built it ....well did it work ??
On Mar 22, 2018 10:16 AM, "Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY]" <
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Yes! It worked to my satisfaction!  I had a piece of DC buss bar copper 
(99.9 copper), 36 " long X 3 " wide X 1/2 " thick that I heated and 
"dead soft" annealed to get a  four decimal place .0000 on a DVM.  
Formed the 12 " circle coil with a two inch opening between the ends. 
After forming the circle, had to re-anneal to remove any work hardening 
from the forming process!  (Very important).  Heated  one end with a 
Bunsen burner and cooled the other end with  some liquid CO2 and got 
about 50 milivolts on the DVM across the ends.  The bar resistivity was 
probably  around .ooo1 ohms Ohm's Law said there was about 500 amps 
flowing cause a good magnetic field was generated.   Satisfied me that 
the "Thermonic principle worked!   I had a lot of real neat RF Tank 
coils wound with 3/8" copper tubing that I got from Varian Corp. Dallas 
and the old Continental Corp, Dallas and asked Engineers about how they 
were made.  Same annealing process to lower resistance to lowest 
possible value then they were "silver plated"!  Hector has seen a 
"million" of them!  Lol


On 3/22/2018 3:02 PM, James Glinski [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
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> You built it ....well did it work ??
>
> On Mar 22, 2018 10:16 AM, "Norman Wootan [email protected] 
> <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY]" <[email protected] 
> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
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>     http://orgoneproducts.org/blog/2008/03/10/dotto-ring-heavy-gravity-machine/
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Hi NormInteresting! Certainly easy enough to build one. Rolling and annealling copper bar is no prblem( except anneal and roll first)Please keep us advisedCheers Warren

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  On Thu, Mar 22, 2018 at 10:59 PM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY]<[email protected]> wrote:       
 

Yes! It worked to my satisfaction!  I had a piece of DC buss bar copper (99.9 copper), 36 " long X 3 " wide X 1/2 " thick that I heated and "dead soft" annealed to get a  four decimal place .0000 on a DVM.  Formed the 12 " circle coil with a two inch opening between the ends. After forming the circle, had to re-anneal to remove any work hardening from the forming process!  (Very important).  Heated  one end with a Bunsen burner and cooled the other end with  some liquid CO2 and got about 50 milivolts on the DVM across the ends.  The bar resistivity was probably  around .ooo1 ohms Ohm's Law said there was about 500 amps flowing cause a good magnetic field was generated.   Satisfied me that the "Thermonic principle worked!   I had a lot of real neat RF Tank coils wound with 3/8" copper tubing that I got from Varian Corp. Dallas and the old Continental Corp, Dallas and asked Engineers  about how they were made.  Same annealing process to lower resistance to lowest possible value then they were "silver plated"!  Hector has seen a "million" of them!  Lol
 
 
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But if you have to put energy into it it's not free its a converter of
energy .
On Mar 23, 2018 1:30 AM, "Warren Keillor [email protected]
[EVGRAY]" <[email protected]> wrote:

>
>
> Hi Norm
> Interesting! Certainly easy enough to build one. Rolling and annealling
> copper bar is no prblem( except anneal and roll first)
> Please keep us advised
> Cheers Warren
>
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
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> On Thu, Mar 22, 2018 at 10:59 PM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY]
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
> Yes! It worked to my satisfaction!  I had a piece of DC buss bar copper
> (99.9 copper), 36 " long X 3 " wide X 1/2 " thick that I heated and "dead
> soft" annealed to get a  four decimal place .0000 on a DVM.  Formed the 12
> " circle coil with a two inch opening between the ends. After forming the
> circle, had to re-anneal to remove any work hardening from the forming
> process!  (Very important).  Heated  one end with a Bunsen burner and
> cooled the other end with  some liquid CO2 and got about 50 milivolts on
> the DVM across the ends.  The bar resistivity was probably  around .ooo1
> ohms Ohm's Law said there was about 500 amps flowing cause a good magnetic
> field was generated.   Satisfied me that the "Thermonic principle worked!
> I had a lot of real neat RF Tank coils wound with 3/8" copper tubing that I
> got from Varian Corp. Dallas and the old Continental Corp, Dallas and asked
> Engineers about how they were made.  Same annealing process to lower
> resistance to lowest possible value then they were "silver plated"!  Hector
> has seen a "million" of them!  Lol
>
> On 3/22/2018 3:02 PM, James Glinski [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>
>
>
> You built it ....well did it work ??
> On Mar 22, 2018 10:16 AM, "Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY]" <
> [email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
> http://orgoneproducts.org/ blog/2008/03/10/dotto-ring- heavy-gravity-machine/ <http://orgoneproducts.org/blog/2008/03/10/dotto-ring-heavy-gravity-machine/>
>
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YesThere is energy going in, but then what is the ratio of that coming out?What voltage have you found on the secondary coils?Looking at yet other applications for oneCheers Warren

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But if you have to put energy into it it's not free its a converter of energy . 
On Mar 23, 2018 1:30 AM, "Warren Keillor [email protected] [EVGRAY]" <[email protected]> wrote:

     
Hi Norm
Interesting! Certainly easy enough to build one. Rolling and annealling copper bar is no prblem( except anneal and roll first)Please keep us advisedCheers Warren

Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
 
  On Thu, Mar 22, 2018 at 10:59 PM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY]<[email protected]> wrote:       
 

Yes! It worked to my satisfaction!  I had a piece of DC buss bar copper (99.9 copper), 36 " long X 3 " wide X 1/2 " thick that I heated and "dead soft" annealed to get a  four decimal place .0000 on a DVM.  Formed the 12 " circle coil with a two inch opening between the ends. After forming the circle, had to re-anneal to remove any work hardening from the forming process!  (Very important).  Heated  one end with a Bunsen burner and cooled the other end with  some liquid CO2 and got about 50 milivolts on the DVM across the ends.  The bar resistivity was probably  around .ooo1 ohms Ohm's Law said there was about 500 amps flowing cause a good magnetic field was generated.   Satisfied me that the "Thermonic principle worked!   I had a lot of real neat RF Tank coils wound with 3/8" copper tubing that I got from Varian Corp. Dallas and the old Continental Corp, Dallas and asked Engineers  about how they were made.  Same annealing process to lower resistance to lowest possible value then they were "silver plated"!  Hector has seen a "million" of them!  Lol
 
 
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You built it ....well did it work ??
 On Mar 22, 2018 10:16 AM, "Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY]" <[email protected]> wrote:
 
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Darrell,

Isn't quenching for hardening or is it also used in anealing?


On 3/23/2018 1:28 PM, [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>  
>
> Hi Norman my friend, It's been my experience in the past when I was
> into heat treating metals, that you really don't need to go cherry
> red, just heat it up ( propane torch) until it turns a nice solid gray
> color. Then quench it, No need to cool it slowly either. Worked for me.
>
>

Hi Norman my friend, It's been my experience in the past when I was into heat treating metals, that you really don't need to go cherry red, just heat it up ( propane torch) until it turns a nice solid gray color. Then quench it, No need to cool it slowly either. Worked for me.

Warren,

What is the procedure then in order to anneal copper in the way Norm
mentions in order that it become within one percent of a perfect conductor?

Would this be simply to bring it within so many degrees of incandescence
for so long and slowly cool it?

My only experience is oil quenching steel to harden it in a machine shop
I worked at.


On 3/23/2018 7:46 PM, Warren Keillor [email protected]
[EVGRAY] wrote:
>  
> Mick
> Heat treating metals is a whole branch of metalurgy science.
> Copper work hardens. Heat softens it and wuenching does very little
> except cool it so you don't burn your fingers.
> Cheers Warren
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>     On Fri, Mar 23, 2018 at 8:25 PM, Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY]
>     <[email protected]> wrote:
>      
>
>     Darrell,
>
>     Isn't quenching for hardening or is it also used in anealing?
>
>
>     On 3/23/2018 1:28 PM, [email protected]
>     <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>      
>>
>>     Hi Norman my friend, It's been my experience in the past when I
>>     was into heat treating metals, that you really don't need to go
>>     cherry red, just heat it up ( propane torch) until it turns a
>>     nice solid gray color. Then quench it, No need to cool it slowly
>>     either. Worked for me.
>>
>
>

Hello Mick my friend, from what I have learned of the difference is, quenching is when you cool a solution treated steel quickly enough that carbides do not precipitate out of solution in a stable way.The work hardened metal is heated to a temperature which is about half its melting point. The grains within the structure re-crystallise into many fine grains. The temperature at which the new grains begin to grow is called the re-crystallisation temperature. In the new structure dislocations can move more easily. The metal therefore becomes softer and more malleable and ductile. When a metal is being shaped by cold working, it may be necessary to anneal it several times during the process. Tempering is when you take that quenched steel and heat it enough to begin precipitating the carbides but not enough to put everything back into solution. Quenched steels are brittle and tempering toughens and hardens them. The reason and process of re-heating work hardened steel and other metals is to make it more malleable and ductile ... hope this helps.
 

    On Friday, March 23, 2018, 5:25:45 PM PDT, Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY] <[email protected]> wrote:  
 
     
 

Darrell,
 
Isn't quenching for hardening or is it also used in anealing?
 
 
 On 3/23/2018 1:28 PM, [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
  
    
Hi Norman my friend, It's been my experience in the past when I was into heat treating metals, that you really don't need to go cherry red, just heat it up ( propane torch) until it turns a nice solid gray color. Then quench it, No need to cool it slowly either. Worked for me.
  
 
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MickHeat treating metals is a whole branch of metalurgy science.Copper work hardens. Heat softens it and wuenching does very little except cool it so you don't burn your fingers.Cheers Warren
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  On Fri, Mar 23, 2018 at 8:25 PM, Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY]<[email protected]> wrote:       
 

Darrell,
 
Isn't quenching for hardening or is it also used in anealing?
 
 
 On 3/23/2018 1:28 PM, [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
  
    
Hi Norman my friend, It's been my experience in the past when I was into heat treating metals, that you really don't need to go cherry red, just heat it up ( propane torch) until it turns a nice solid gray color. Then quench it, No need to cool it slowly either. Worked for me.
  
 
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Norm,

Too bad it will burn all the insulation off magnet wire...  I would love
to anneal all my coils and raise the Q


On 3/24/2018 8:41 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>  
>
> https://www.copper.org/publications/pub_list/pdf/a1360.pdf     Please
> refer to this "most excellent" publication on "Copper"!   After
> reading all about the research of others on this site, I would venture
> to guess that 90% of you folks do not realize the "improved
> performance" of coils etc. if you would just  "anneal" to get the
> maximum "conductivity"!  Pure 99.99 copper in a full "dead soft"
> annealed condition (after forming your device) will yield almost
> "super conductivity" at room temperatures!  Materials handbook
> (Metallurgy) shows what happens to copper molecular structure after
> annealing!  They call it "puffing up" the copper by loosening the
> atomic bonds.  Warren! works great on those copper head gaskets!  Lol 
> http://materialseducation.org/educators/matedu-modules/docs/Work_Hardening_and_Annealing_of_Copper.pdf          
> "Best of luck"!  Norm
>
>
> On 3/23/2018 10:46 PM, Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>  
>>
>> Warren,
>>
>> What is the procedure then in order to anneal copper in the way Norm
>> mentions in order that it become within one percent of a perfect
>> conductor?
>>
>> Would this be simply to bring it within so many degrees of
>> incandescence for so long and slowly cool it?
>>
>> My only experience is oil quenching steel to harden it in a machine
>> shop I worked at.
>>
>>
>> On 3/23/2018 7:46 PM, Warren Keillor [email protected]
>> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>  
>>> Mick
>>> Heat treating metals is a whole branch of metalurgy science.
>>> Copper work hardens. Heat softens it and wuenching does very little
>>> except cool it so you don't burn your fingers.
>>> Cheers Warren
>>> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
>>> <https://overview.mail.yahoo.com/mobile/?.src=Android>mick
>>>
>>>     On Fri, Mar 23, 2018 at 8:25 PM, Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY]
>>>     <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>      
>>>
>>>     Darrell,
>>>
>>>     Isn't quenching for hardening or is it also used in anealing?
>>>
>>>
>>>     On 3/23/2018 1:28 PM, [email protected]
>>>     <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>      
>>>>
>>>>     Hi Norman my friend, It's been my experience in the past when I
>>>>     was into heat treating metals, that you really don't need to go
>>>>     cherry red, just heat it up ( propane torch) until it turns a
>>>>     nice solid gray color. Then quench it, No need to cool it
>>>>     slowly either. Worked for me.
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
>

https://www.copper.org/publications/pub_list/pdf/a1360.pdf Please refer 
to this "most excellent" publication on "Copper"! After reading all 
about the research of others on this site, I would venture to guess that 
90% of you folks do not realize the "improved performance" of coils etc. 
if you would just  "anneal" to get the maximum "conductivity"!  Pure 
99.99 copper in a full "dead soft" annealed condition (after forming 
your device) will yield almost "super conductivity" at room 
temperatures!  Materials handbook (Metallurgy) shows what happens to 
copper molecular structure after annealing!  They call it "puffing up" 
the copper by loosening the atomic bonds.  Warren! works great on those 
copper head gaskets!  Lol 
http://materialseducation.org/educators/matedu-modules/docs/Work_Hardening_and_Annealing_of_Copper.pdf 
"Best of luck"!  Norm


On 3/23/2018 10:46 PM, Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>
> Warren,
>
> What is the procedure then in order to anneal copper in the way Norm 
> mentions in order that it become within one percent of a perfect 
> conductor?
>
> Would this be simply to bring it within so many degrees of 
> incandescence for so long and slowly cool it?
>
> My only experience is oil quenching steel to harden it in a machine 
> shop I worked at.
>
>
> On 3/23/2018 7:46 PM, Warren Keillor [email protected] 
> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>> Mick
>> Heat treating metals is a whole branch of metalurgy science.
>> Copper work hardens. Heat softens it and wuenching does very little 
>> except cool it so you don't burn your fingers.
>> Cheers Warren
>> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
>> <https://overview.mail.yahoo.com/mobile/?.src=Android>mick
>>
>>     On Fri, Mar 23, 2018 at 8:25 PM, Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY]
>>     <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>     Darrell,
>>
>>     Isn't quenching for hardening or is it also used in anealing?
>>
>>
>>     On 3/23/2018 1:28 PM, [email protected]
>>     <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>
>>>     Hi Norman my friend, It's been my experience in the past when I
>>>     was into heat treating metals, that you really don't need to go
>>>     cherry red, just heat it up ( propane torch) until it turns a
>>>     nice solid gray color. Then quench it, No need to cool it slowly
>>>     either. Worked for me.
>>>
>>
>
>

MickJust take the torch and heat it to a grey cherry red. You can either let it sit for an hour, until it is cool enough to touch, or you can quench it in water to remove the scale, and get to work with it right away.In either case, it will be soft.Hammering it, rolling it, swaging, drilling, bending, all make copper "work harden" as was done from ancient times to actually make knives and swords out of copper. Still, it was a poor metal to " hold an edge" , so the ancients added tin to make an alloy called bronze, which could be slightly harder.....and so on into alchemy and metalurgy.Norm is talking about soft copper, which when you heat to a cherry red, you"normalize" the metal releasing all the internal stresses caused by work hardening, and making it into one continuous metal object capable of a uniform ability to carry electrical fields, without nasty local hard spots where it was worked.Unless there are other metals alloyed into copper, quenching will not make any difference to the final product.Iron is a whole other ball game along with all of its alloys, as is alluminium and the entire periodic scale of elements called metals. By comparison, copper is pretty basic, and reliable.Cheers Warren
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  On Fri, Mar 23, 2018 at 11:46 PM, Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY]<[email protected]> wrote:       
 

Warren,
 
What is the procedure then in order to anneal copper in the way Norm mentions in order that it become within one percent of a perfect conductor?
 
Would this be simply to bring it within so many degrees of incandescence for so long and slowly cool it?
 
 
My only experience is oil quenching steel to harden it in a machine shop I worked at.
 
 
 On 3/23/2018 7:46 PM, Warren Keillor [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
  
        Mick Heat treating metals is a whole branch of metalurgy science. Copper work hardens. Heat softens it and wuenching does very little except cool it so you don't burn your fingers. Cheers Warren
 Sent from Yahoo Mail on Androidmick 
 
  On Fri, Mar 23, 2018 at 8:25 PM, Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY] <[email protected]> wrote:          
 
 
Darrell,
 
Isn't quenching for hardening or is it also used in anealing?
 
 
  On 3/23/2018 1:28 PM, [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
  
    
Hi Norman my friend, It's been my experience in the past when I was into heat treating metals,  that you really don't need to go cherry red, just heat it up ( propane torch) until it turns a nice solid gray color. Then quench it, No need to cool it  slowly either. Worked for me.
  
  
       
      
 
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In a resonant "tank" you have three factors. Impedance, Capacitance & 
Resistance.   When at absolute "peak" (lossless region) highest possible 
"Q", X-L & X-C totally cancel out leaving only "resistance", consider if 
your resistance is "lowest possible"!      This is where you wan to be!


On 3/24/2018 12:01 PM, Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>
> Norm,
>
> Too bad it will burn all the insulation off magnet wire...  I would 
> love to anneal all my coils and raise the Q
>
>
> On 3/24/2018 8:41 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>
>> https://www.copper.org/publications/pub_list/pdf/a1360.pdf Please 
>> refer to this "most excellent" publication on "Copper"!   After 
>> reading all about the research of others on this site, I would 
>> venture to guess that 90% of you folks do not realize the "improved 
>> performance" of coils etc. if you would just  "anneal" to get the 
>> maximum "conductivity"! Pure 99.99 copper in a full "dead soft" 
>> annealed condition (after forming your device) will yield almost 
>> "super conductivity" at room temperatures! Materials handbook 
>> (Metallurgy) shows what happens to copper molecular structure after 
>> annealing! They call it "puffing up" the copper by loosening the 
>> atomic bonds.  Warren! works great on those copper head gaskets!  Lol 
>> http://materialseducation.org/educators/matedu-modules/docs/Work_Hardening_and_Annealing_of_Copper.pdf 
>> "Best of luck"!  Norm
>>
>>
>> On 3/23/2018 10:46 PM, Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>
>>> Warren,
>>>
>>> What is the procedure then in order to anneal copper in the way Norm 
>>> mentions in order that it become within one percent of a perfect 
>>> conductor?
>>>
>>> Would this be simply to bring it within so many degrees of 
>>> incandescence for so long and slowly cool it?
>>>
>>> My only experience is oil quenching steel to harden it in a machine 
>>> shop I worked at.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 3/23/2018 7:46 PM, Warren Keillor [email protected] 
>>> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>> Mick
>>>> Heat treating metals is a whole branch of metalurgy science.
>>>> Copper work hardens. Heat softens it and wuenching does very little 
>>>> except cool it so you don't burn your fingers.
>>>> Cheers Warren
>>>> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
>>>> <https://overview.mail.yahoo.com/mobile/?.src=Android>mick
>>>>
>>>>     On Fri, Mar 23, 2018 at 8:25 PM, Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY]
>>>>     <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>     Darrell,
>>>>
>>>>     Isn't quenching for hardening or is it also used in anealing?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>     On 3/23/2018 1:28 PM, [email protected]
>>>>     <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>     Hi Norman my friend, It's been my experience in the past when
>>>>>     I was into heat treating metals, that you really don't need to
>>>>>     go cherry red, just heat it up ( propane torch) until it turns
>>>>>     a nice solid gray color. Then quench it, No need to cool it
>>>>>     slowly either. Worked for me.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
>

Something will then get hot and when the eddy currents in the iron generate enormous heat. I drove my transformer to 35A reactive and then went even though he only for a max. Load of 18A should be driven. At a certain point, only the current continues to increase. The voltage is no longer rising. I noticed that. According to the oscilloscope, the peak voltage drops slightly at higher Qs.

I also have a real Ferroresonanzrafo which is already optimally tuned by factory, even there I could still grab capacity and increase the Q.

But it does not help if the transformer becomes an induction cooker. laughing.

regards

Sven

Anyone want an Egg cooker ! ?

(H) 
 

---In [email protected], <s.friedrich@...> wrote :

 Something will then get hot and when the eddy currents in the iron generate enormous heat. I drove my transformer to 35A reactive and then went even though he only for a max. Load of 18A should be driven. At a certain point, only the current continues to increase. The voltage is no longer rising. I noticed that. According to the oscilloscope, the peak voltage drops slightly at higher Qs.

I also have a real Ferroresonanzrafo which is already optimally tuned by factory, even there I could still grab capacity and increase the Q.

But it does not help if the transformer becomes an induction cooker. laughing.

regards

Sven

Empty body

Does that dilldow  ring really work ?
On Mar 24, 2018 3:49 PM, "[email protected] [EVGRAY]" <
[email protected]> wrote:

>
>
> I can have it easier. laughing.
>
> That would be a completely new method, of course. laughing
>
> *Gesendet:* Samstag, 24. März 2018 um 21:03 Uhr
> *Von:* "[email protected] [EVGRAY]" <[email protected]>
> *An:* [email protected]
> *Betreff:* Re: [EVGRAY] Dotto Ring
>
>
> Anyone want an Egg cooker ! ?
>
> (H)
>
>
> ---In [email protected], <s.friedrich@...> wrote :
>
> Something will then get hot and when the eddy currents in the iron
> generate enormous heat. I drove my transformer to 35A reactive and then
> went even though he only for a max. Load of 18A should be driven. At a
> certain point, only the current continues to increase. The voltage is no
> longer rising. I noticed that. According to the oscilloscope, the peak
> voltage drops slightly at higher Qs.
>
> I also have a real Ferroresonanzrafo which is already optimally tuned by
> factory, even there I could still grab capacity and increase the Q.
>
> But it does not help if the transformer becomes an induction cooker.
> laughing.
>
> regards
>
> Sven
>
>
> 
>