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Re: [EVGRAY] Gary Porter looper ready to bideo lnk

2 messages · 2019-01-21T23:00:24+00:00 → 2019-01-22T03:14:09+00:00

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2019-01-21T23:00:24+00:00 · Thaelin <[email protected]>
Message-ID: <[email protected]> 
Bit off topic for sure but just got a message via EF that Doc Stiffler has passed on. Not sure if any of you have been following his work at all. Interesting stuff but I have had other apples to fry to get into it.

OK back on topic:

  Warren, when I had one of my pancakes up and running, it would light house bulbs so was much afraid of the output. Rewired it down to lower voltages. Sure had a bad back drag to it tho. Was looking at using a large RC controller for it but has to be the sensor-less type if you do. Either way, one hell of a good motor. Lots of torque. Saw one used on a gocart and 48V

thay
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On Mon, 1/21/19, Warren Keillor [email protected] [EVGRAY] <[email protected]> wrote:

 Subject: Re: [EVGRAY] Gary Porter looper ready to bideo lnk
 To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
 Date: Monday, January 21, 2019, 12:56 PM
 
 
  
 
 
 
   
 
 
     
       
       
       DougYou
 have lost me, we seem to be at apples and oranges. Lets
 go back to basics, and talk about where the magic is coming
 from out of parts of the apparatus.What
 is the best report regarding the RV being used as a prime
 mover motor, terms of just being a motor, turning a shaft,
 in terms of percentage efficiency?
 For
 instance, how does it compare with 1.614 that I got from
 using a 3 hp WEG 480 volt motor capacitor tuning circuit, in
 series, and driving a load off of that circiit.I
 have never harnessed the torque aspect of an RV before, to
 actually drive machinery, and checked the
 efficiency.Now
 permanent magnet motors, like the tread mill type, I run
 those all the time, at any speeds I like, using Variacs and
 bridge rectifiers.They
 are pretty efficient, bit I can't recall the
 numbers.My
 drill press on the boat runs on 300 watts and can't be
 stalled using a 1/3   hp dc motor, inverter, vaiac plus
 bridge rectifier.To
 loop we need quite a number of ducks in a row. Driver motor,
 generator, some time storing aspect perhaps, as in
 capacitors.It
 sure helps to know just where your energy differential is
 being harvested from, above the the line in the positive
 ,below, in the negative, or split between, as in
 AC.My
 daisy chain dc motor experiment put out gobs of power, but
 did not like to run itself one little bit on that lovely
 power, when directed back into the prime mover.Remember?
 It fried a whole bunch of the bridge rectifiers, rather
 violently, like a high voltage dead short.Gary's
 device seems nice and compact, and might be really
 practical, once the bugs are worked out.Let
 us wait til the glue dries!Cheers
 Warren
 Sent
 from Yahoo Mail on Android 
    On Mon, 21 Jan 2019 at 7:08
 AM, [email protected]
 [EVGRAY]<[email protected]>
 wrote:   
  
 
 
 
   
 
 
     
       
       
       Hi Warren 
 
 Unless you have a good Variable  Frequency Drive instead of
 the 60hz grid or 60hz invertor, you are pretty much stuck to
 1800 or 3600rpms to a rotovertor motor so unless you have a
 VFD a rotovertor wouldn't be much good to find the
 delayed Lenz effect in various permanent magnet rotored 
 motors working as generators. However once you do find the
 rpm sweet spot window to some sort of stepper or muller or
 your golden motpr,  now it's simple work to step up rpms
 to that rpm window using proper sized pulleys and
 belts...and use the rotovertor more now as primemover, and
 now adjust run cap if to give the rotovertor motor sone
 torque to the shaft.
 
 Kone
 
 
 
 
 
     
      
 
     
     
 
 
   
 
     
      
 
     
     
 
 
 
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[2/2] Re: [EVGRAY] Gary Porter looper ready to bideo lnk

2019-01-22T03:14:09+00:00 · Warren Keillor <[email protected]>
Message-ID: <[email protected]> 
ThayHave you tried a pancake motor as a generator? You mention it having drag...as in,  perhaps,  Lenz's law?Oh well, so dies the permanent magnet motor.I wonder where to find the magic .  Is it as Doug says a happy spot where capacitors suck it up, yet Lenz doesn't happen yet.Cheers Warren

Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
 
  On Mon, 21 Jan 2019 at 6:01 PM, Thaelin [email protected] [EVGRAY]<[email protected]> wrote:       
 Bit off topic for sure but just got a message via EF that Doc Stiffler has passed on. Not sure if any of you have been following his work at all. Interesting stuff but I have had other apples to fry to get into it..

OK back on topic:

Warren, when I had one of my pancakes up and running, it would light house bulbs so was much afraid of the output. Rewired it down to lower voltages. Sure had a bad back drag to it tho. Was looking at using a large RC controller for it but has to be the sensor-less type if you do. Either way, one hell of a good motor. Lots of torque. Saw one used on a gocart and 48V

thay
--------------------------------------------
On Mon, 1/21/19, Warren Keillor [email protected] [EVGRAY] <[email protected]> wrote:

Subject: Re: [EVGRAY] Gary Porter looper ready to bideo lnk
 To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
 Date: Monday, January 21, 2019, 12:56 PM
 
 
  
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 DougYou
 have lost me, we seem to be at apples and oranges. Lets
 go back to basics, and talk about where the magic is coming
 from out of parts of the apparatus.What
 is the best report regarding the RV being used as a prime
 mover motor, terms of just being a motor, turning a shaft,
 in terms of percentage efficiency?
 For
 instance, how does it compare with 1.614 that I got from
 using a 3 hp WEG 480 volt motor capacitor tuning circuit, in
 series, and driving a load off of that circiit.I
 have never harnessed the torque aspect of an RV before, to
 actually drive machinery, and checked the
 efficiency.Now
 permanent magnet motors, like the tread mill type, I run
 those all the time, at any speeds I like, using Variacs and
 bridge rectifiers.They
 are pretty efficient, bit I can't recall the
 numbers.My
 drill press on the boat runs on 300 watts and can't be
 stalled using a 1/3   hp dc motor, inverter, vaiac plus
 bridge rectifier.To
 loop we need quite a number of ducks in a row. Driver motor,
 generator, some time storing aspect perhaps, as in
 capacitors.It
 sure helps to know just where your energy differential is
 being harvested from, above the the line in the positive
 ,below, in the negative, or split between, as in
 AC.My
 daisy chain dc motor experiment put out gobs of power, but
 did not like to run itself one little bit on that lovely
 power, when directed back into the prime mover.Remember?
 It fried a whole bunch of the bridge rectifiers, rather
 violently, like a high voltage dead short.Gary's
 device seems nice and compact, and might be really
 practical, once the bugs are worked out.Let
 us wait til the glue dries!Cheers
 Warren
 Sent
 from Yahoo Mail on Android 
 On Mon, 21 Jan 2019 at 7:08
 AM, [email protected]
 [EVGRAY]<[email protected]>
 wrote: 
  
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 Hi Warren 
 
 Unless you have a good Variable Frequency Drive instead of
 the 60hz grid or 60hz invertor, you are pretty much stuck to
 1800 or 3600rpms to a rotovertor motor so unless you have a
 VFD a rotovertor wouldn't be much good to find the
 delayed Lenz effect in various permanent magnet rotored 
 motors working as generators. However once you do find the
 rpm sweet spot window to some sort of stepper or muller or
 your golden motpr, now it's simple work to step up rpms
 to that rpm window using proper sized pulleys and
 belts...and use the rotovertor more now as primemover, and
 now adjust run cap if to give the rotovertor motor sone
 torque to the shaft.
 
 Kone
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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