kone muller motor

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[1/8] kone muller motor

2018-11-26T22:31:06-08:00 · Mick <[email protected]>
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
Hi Doug,

What are the pros and cons of using aluminum plate to mount either the
magnets or coils on your Muller-Kone gen heads?

I imagine something really expensive and hard to machine like austenitic
stainless  or titanium would be best if using metal, or composite high
temp carbon fiber with silicon nitride bearings but wanted to check if
aluminum's paramagnetic property degrades performance.

I have seen some rotors of aluminum but seem to recall your opinion it
was not optimal.

[2/8] Re: kone muller motor

2018-11-27T05:26:02-08:00 · Douglas Konzen <[email protected]>
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
Hi Mick 
Aluminum stator housings suffer horrible eddy currents from rotor magnet sweep so  keep the aluminum a s very ood distance away depends on strength of magnets. Aluminum rotors ok but again keep the aluminum good distance away from the stator coils.
316 stainless steel probably very best stuff.
A thin syainless steel or aluminum solid flat thin disc with magnets pinching themselves to disc on both sides of disc very simple and strong rotor design
Then delrin or some sort of plastic disc with holes cut out for magnets monted also on each side...for super high rpms a 316 stainless steel rim around rotor disc good idea to contain magnets.
Kone

[3/8] Re: [EVGRAY] kone muller motor

2018-11-27T11:50:54+00:00 · Warren Keillor <[email protected]>
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
MockEddy currents:Try this: drop a neo magnet, ideally a spherical one, down an aluminium tube. It looks as if you have discovered anti-gravity, it takes so long to hit the other end, as it floats ever so slowly, down.
The same with copper, brass, and of course, steel, where it just grabs and doesn't fall, a bit.Howard Johnson made his fateful hero motor from aluminium, that at show time was a dud.Eddy currents!Cheers Warren
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  On Tue, 27 Nov 2018 at 1:31 AM, Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY]<[email protected]> wrote:       
Hi Doug,

What are the pros and cons of using aluminum plate to mount either the
magnets or coils on your Muller-Kone gen heads?

I imagine something really expensive and hard to machine like austenitic
stainless  or titanium would be best if using metal, or composite high
temp carbon fiber with silicon nitride bearings but wanted to check if
aluminum's paramagnetic property degrades performance.

I have seen some rotors of aluminum but seem to recall your opinion it
was not optimal.


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[4/8] Re: [EVGRAY] kone muller motor

2018-11-27T12:24:44+00:00 · Warren Keillor <[email protected]>
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
MickI made a large rotor out of 3/8" acrylic. It was terrific to machine ,of course, no magnetic intrference, but unlike  Doug's grinding wheels, has some flex, and deviates.Acrylic needs a layer of glass cloth front, and back, with epoxy resin, to make it stiffer, which is what the grinding wheels do.Doug has some amazing method of bravely making holes in grinding discs, using a cold chisel, for mounting magnets in holes around the face of the discs, with epoxy.Those suckers are rigid, and non magnetic or eddy  current sensitive.
316/or 304 stainless, is completely eddy current transparent, but a mean bastard to machine, without proper machine shop equipment, or water jet. Otherwise, it would work in the dream machine.I can live with the acrylic by balancing between coils on either side to prevent waver wobbles, and vibration at high speeds.Plywood might be better, like baltic birch, or something.Cheers Warren  
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  On Tue, 27 Nov 2018 at 1:31 AM, Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY]<[email protected]> wrote:       
Hi Doug,

What are the pros and cons of using aluminum plate to mount either the
magnets or coils on your Muller-Kone gen heads?

I imagine something really expensive and hard to machine like austenitic
stainless  or titanium would be best if using metal, or composite high
temp carbon fiber with silicon nitride bearings but wanted to check if
aluminum's paramagnetic property degrades performance.

I have seen some rotors of aluminum but seem to recall your opinion it
was not optimal.


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[5/8] Re: [EVGRAY] kone muller motor

2018-11-27T13:37:48+00:00 · Douglas Konzen <[email protected]>
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
Hi Mick and Warren
Cuttting discs made to cut through metal or ceramic are great to use for rotors they make great big ones too if you want to build something large... but instead of chiseling out holes for magnets then gluing them in there, much easier and stronger and flatter to "pinch" magnets to both sides of the cutting disc, so if 16 magnet-position rotor you would need 32 magnets total. Then make discs out of plastic or wood even with holes cut out for mAgnets each side....that urethane lightweight stuff would be good too if you can find it in sheets to cut from.
Kone

[6/8] Re: [EVGRAY] Re: kone muller motor

2018-11-27T16:36:52+00:00 · bart woodard <[email protected]>
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Kone,


          Nice work!  We are currently entering the understandings on the fourth and filth dimensions.

It is said that it is most likely in all probability the root of all our understandings.

Recently I have viewed a video on youtube assisting this understandings.

It helped with the coherency of application s.

please watch I am sure there are more speakers.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z8B_aQnpsAY

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Eric claims his truth about himself.  A prof came by my place about six months ago claiming he has solved the gap on Albert Einsteins formula.

His name is John  , he says the gravitational value is measured incorrect which means all values will be altered.

Interesting!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heinz_Hopf

[https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a5/Heinz_Hopf%2C_Hellmuth_Kneser.jpeg]<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heinz_Hopf>

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Sent: November 27, 2018 8:26 AM
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Subject: [EVGRAY] Re: kone muller motor



Hi Mick
Aluminum stator housings suffer horrible eddy currents from rotor magnet sweep so keep the aluminum a s very ood distance away depends on strength of magnets. Aluminum rotors ok but again keep the aluminum good distance away from the stator coils.
316 stainless steel probably very best stuff.
A thin syainless steel or aluminum solid flat thin disc with magnets pinching themselves to disc on both sides of disc very simple and strong rotor design
Then delrin or some sort of plastic disc with holes cut out for magnets monted also on each side...for super high rpms a 316 stainless steel rim around rotor disc good idea to contain magnets.
Kone

[7/8] Re: [EVGRAY] Re: kone muller motor

2018-11-28T23:44:27+00:00 · machinationus <[email protected]>
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    On Tuesday, November 27, 2018, 9:37:02 a.m. MST, bart woodard [email protected] [EVGRAY] <[email protected]> wrote:  
 
     


Kone,




          Nice work!  We are currently entering the understandings on the fourth and filth dimensions.

It is said that it is most likely in all probability the root of all our understandings.

Recently I have viewed a video on youtube assisting this understandings.


It helped with the coherency of application s.

please watch I am sure there are more speakers.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z8B_aQnpsAY

|  | Joe Rogan Gets Mind Blown By Physicswww.youtube.comEric Weinstein is a mathematician and economist, and he is also the managing director at Thiel Capital. https://www.youtube.com/ericweinsteinphd JRE #1203 - https ... |

Eric claims his truth about himself.  A prof came by my place about six months ago claiming he has solved the gap on Albert Einsteins formula.


His name is John  , he says the gravitational value is measured incorrect which means all values will be altered.

Interesting!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heinz_Hopf

|  | Heinz Hopf - Wikipediaen.wikipedia.orgThis article includes a list of references, but its sources remain unclear because it has insufficient inline citations. Please help to improve this article by introducing more precise citations. (February 2016) (Learn how and when to remove this template message) |












From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of [email protected] [EVGRAY] <[email protected]>
Sent: November 27, 2018 8:26 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [EVGRAY] Re: kone muller motor  
Hi Mick 
Aluminum stator housings suffer horrible eddy currents from rotor magnet sweep so keep the aluminum a s very ood distance away depends on strength of magnets. Aluminum rotors ok but again keep the aluminum good distance away from the stator coils.
316 stainless steel probably very best stuff.
A thin syainless steel or aluminum solid flat thin disc with magnets pinching themselves to disc on both sides of disc very simple and strong rotor design
Then delrin or some sort of plastic disc with holes cut out for magnets monted also on each side...for super high rpms a 316 stainless steel rim around rotor disc good idea to contain magnets.
Kone

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[8/8] Re: [EVGRAY] Re: kone muller motor

2018-11-29T01:15:40+00:00 · Warren Keillor <[email protected]>
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
MachinationsYes that is the family of materials I was making referance to.The stuff is easy to use, and works great. Get the catalog, because the range of properties is quite large, and you may customize, to your needs.Cheers Warren

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  On Wed, 28 Nov 2018 at 6:44 PM, machinationus [email protected] [EVGRAY]<[email protected]> wrote:       

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    On Tuesday, November 27, 2018, 9:37:02 a.m. MST, bart woodard [email protected] [EVGRAY] <[email protected]> wrote:  
 
     


Kone,




          Nice work!  We are currently entering the understandings on the fourth and filth dimensions.

It is said that it is most likely in all probability the root of all our understandings.

Recently I have viewed a video on youtube assisting this understandings.


It helped with the coherency of application s.

please watch I am sure there are more speakers.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z8B_aQnpsAY

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Eric claims his truth about himself.  A prof came by my place about six months ago claiming he has solved the gap on Albert Einsteins formula.


His name is John  , he says the gravitational value is measured incorrect which means all values will be altered.

Interesting!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heinz_Hopf

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of [email protected] [EVGRAY] <[email protected]>
Sent: November 27, 2018 8:26 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [EVGRAY] Re: kone muller motor  
Hi Mick 
Aluminum stator housings suffer horrible eddy currents from rotor magnet sweep so keep the aluminum a s very ood distance away depends on strength of magnets. Aluminum rotors ok but again keep the aluminum good distance away from the stator coils.
316 stainless steel probably very best stuff.
A thin syainless steel or aluminum solid flat thin disc with magnets pinching themselves to disc on both sides of disc very simple and strong rotor design
Then delrin or some sort of plastic disc with holes cut out for magnets monted also on each side...for super high rpms a 316 stainless steel rim around rotor disc good idea to contain magnets.
Kone

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