neutral spike

Norm,

Very interesting results after the rain here, no more DC pulses.  I have
determined that the DC is an electrostatic petravoltaic function that
may play a smaller part in the phenomena of the magnetic re-connection
required for the effect.  This can be achieved by force such as millions
of volts and thousands of amps like nature or finesse as you first
determined with the Chinese motors.

My main question is if you had been able to recreate the effect reliably
without the use of spinning mag fields from a motor?  In other words
from your undertaking it seems as if the spike appeared without shyness
from the magneto electric side.  I know you also mentioned the door
buzzer but besides a serious shock did anything else appear from the
buzzer experiments?

I have been crashing saturated coils to ground and do on occasion see
anomalous power gain but nothing reliable or as spectacular as your
green flash through zip cord blowing up copper busses. 

I have also noticed the shock from collapsing coils designed around the
magnetic quickly saturating material with low remanence such as mumetal
or permalloy but this shock effect will result with or without
grounding.  It is interesting however that this effect is absent from
many core materials without nickel.

Mick

Mick! Your question regarding the ability to create the event reliably 
all centers on the isolation of charge (capacitive & inductive) in an 
isolated in space event! FLOATING NEUTRAL no ground reference. The 
Neutral Spike manifest from earth ground side to cancel the isolated 
charge in space. (No physical connection). Is this an aetheric 
connection as in re-connection physics?  The buzzer experiments were a 
classic example since the entire little circuitry had no earth reference 
and gave you the over 1000V shock if you touched an earth ground and 
metal frame of buzzer.   The bell transformer secondary winding was not 
ground reference but  acted as an isolation transformer.  I salvaged a 
lot of Medical Operating Room isolation transformers which gave total 
isolation from A/C buss for the 120VAC equipment being used for 
operating room.  They ranged between 3KVA to 5 KVA in size. Interesting 
when you think about it!   In the Chinese fan motor example, the EE 
Professor watched the experiment and used my meters (LCR and Fluke  
meters) to get and idea as to amount of energy stored in the inductor of 
the motor and capacitor but came up far short of explaining the huge 
discharge seen all over 18ga. ZIP cord and small 22ga. motor windings.  
(BTW, non damaged or burned). The components were:  Emererson design 
1/6HP, reversible shaded pole motor.

Similar to this depiction except capacitor reversible:

https://store.kgpowersystems.com/9648-U.S.-Motors-Emerson-Shaded-Pole---PSC-Direct-Drive-Fan-Motor-.50-HP-208-230-Volts-1550-RPM.aspx?gclid=CjwKCAjwyOreBRAYEiwAR2mSkjA4QCQbePij6V4QHoslAAktDnfcBiE7QdfR6k64ibA-ScoEHzO7choCqjoQAvD_BwE

Reversing 4MFD capacitor:  https://www.capacitorindustries.com/products/dao-3gj004/?gclid=CjwKCAjwyOreBRAYEiwAR2mSkpHak6pc_qm8yW53T3Dwvr8WHCAE_I4P7_d9GN3P5UTmrnRWe8DbwxoCN-YQAvD_BwE

Carling double pole, double throw, on - on reversing switch: https://www.delcity.net/store/G-Series-Carling-Toggles/p_805876.h_805882.r_IF1003?mkwid=sIlJsVM5x&crid=38094426869&mp_kw=&mp_mt=&gclid=CjwKCAjwyOreBRAYEiwAR2mSkjgrYQWTvnoaPByYfIeImo2utdCk_-6kDxmDfWYKQeRhnMQLLZIjBxoCeegQAvD_BwE

Green arc discharge:  http://www.vanert.com/page/arc-flash-evaluation

https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20070816140349AAV782L&guccounter=2

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copper_vapor_laser

Please refer to attachment: AWG

Now this is an interesting topic that most of you have never seen!  Pick up any 20 amp circuit breaker and read about the instant current capability!  The 22 ga. motor windings are rated at about 2 amps (normal) see AWG attachment specs for 22awg copper magnet wire.  https://www.quora.com/Is-there-anything-such-as-a-10-000-amp-circuit-breaker.

Sound confusing to you?    The last several destructive shots with the little Chinese motor totally vaporized the contacts of the revering contactor that was rated for 40 amps all over 18ga. hook-up wire.  The only damage to the entire hook up was at the point of earth grounded contactor metal frame and annihillation of isolated charge during transition of reversing action.  The exact same conditions were duplicated with the 5HP motor experiments.   This tells me that anyone willing to follow the isolation of charge in space in reference to earth ground can do this.   I firmly believe this is the MAGNETO-ELECTRIC  Effect.  NEUTRAL SPIKE!

All I had as far as scopes, was a 4 channel analog Tektronic (non storage) scope with standard 10X probes. You would have to have a very good storage scope to possibly capture the true picture of the event.
Norm


On 10/31/2018 10:08 AM, Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>
> Norm,
>
> Very interesting results after the rain here, no more DC pulses.  I have
> determined that the DC is an electrostatic petravoltaic function that
> may play a smaller part in the phenomena of the magnetic re-connection
> required for the effect.  This can be achieved by force such as millions
> of volts and thousands of amps like nature or finesse as you first
> determined with the Chinese motors.
>
> My main question is if you had been able to recreate the effect reliably
> without the use of spinning mag fields from a motor?  In other words
> from your undertaking it seems as if the spike appeared without shyness
> from the magneto electric side.  I know you also mentioned the door
> buzzer but besides a serious shock did anything else appear from the
> buzzer experiments?
>
> I have been crashing saturated coils to ground and do on occasion see
> anomalous power gain but nothing reliable or as spectacular as your
> green flash through zip cord blowing up copper busses.
>
> I have also noticed the shock from collapsing coils designed around the
> magnetic quickly saturating material with low remanence such as mumetal
> or permalloy but this shock effect will result with or without
> grounding.  It is interesting however that this effect is absent from
> many core materials without nickel.
>
> Mick
>
>

Norm,

Thank you for the response.  I have not read the footnote links yet but
assume the green arc was the copper cooking off.  As far as isolation I
have been using a motorcycle battery and inverter to experiment with the
physical ground slamming with saturated coils and caps.

I will read all of the references now.


On 11/1/2018 7:28 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>  
>
> Mick! Your question regarding the ability to create the event reliably
> all centers on the isolation of charge (capacitive & inductive) in an
> isolated in space event! FLOATING NEUTRAL no ground reference. The
> Neutral Spike manifest from earth ground side to cancel the isolated
> charge in space. (No physical connection). Is this an aetheric
> connection as in re-connection physics?  The buzzer experiments were a
> classic example since the entire little circuitry had no earth
> reference and gave you the over 1000V shock if you touched an earth
> ground and metal frame of buzzer.   The bell transformer secondary
> winding was not ground reference but  acted as an isolation
> transformer.  I salvaged a lot of Medical Operating Room isolation
> transformers which gave total isolation from A/C buss for the 120VAC
> equipment being used for operating room.  They ranged between 3KVA to
> 5 KVA in size.  Interesting when you think about it!   In the Chinese
> fan motor example, the EE Professor watched the experiment and used my
> meters (LCR and Fluke  meters) to get and idea as to amount of energy
> stored in the inductor of the motor and capacitor but came up far
> short of explaining the huge discharge seen all over 18ga. ZIP cord
> and small 22ga. motor windings.  (BTW, non damaged or burned). The
> components were:  Emererson design 1/6HP, reversible shaded pole motor.
>
> Similar to this depiction except capacitor reversible: 
>
> https://store.kgpowersystems.com/9648-U.S.-Motors-Emerson-Shaded-Pole---PSC-Direct-Drive-Fan-Motor-.50-HP-208-230-Volts-1550-RPM.aspx?gclid=CjwKCAjwyOreBRAYEiwAR2mSkjA4QCQbePij6V4QHoslAAktDnfcBiE7QdfR6k64ibA-ScoEHzO7choCqjoQAvD_BwE
>
> Reversing 4MFD capacitor:  https://www.capacitorindustries.com/products/dao-3gj004/?gclid=CjwKCAjwyOreBRAYEiwAR2mSkpHak6pc_qm8yW53T3Dwvr8WHCAE_I4P7_d9GN3P5UTmrnRWe8DbwxoCN-YQAvD_BwE
>
> Carling double pole, double throw, on - on reversing switch: https://www.delcity.net/store/G-Series-Carling-Toggles/p_805876.h_805882.r_IF1003?mkwid=sIlJsVM5x&crid=38094426869&mp_kw=&mp_mt=&gclid=CjwKCAjwyOreBRAYEiwAR2mSkjgrYQWTvnoaPByYfIeImo2utdCk_-6kDxmDfWYKQeRhnMQLLZIjBxoCeegQAvD_BwE
>
> Green arc discharge:  http://www.vanert.com/page/arc-flash-evaluation
>
> https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20070816140349AAV782L&guccounter=2
>
> https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copper_vapor_laser
>
> Please refer to attachment: AWG
>
> Now this is an interesting topic that most of you have never seen!  Pick up any 20 amp circuit breaker and read about the instant current capability!  The 22 ga. motor windings are rated at about 2 amps (normal) see AWG attachment specs for 22awg copper magnet wire.  https://www.quora.com/Is-there-anything-such-as-a-10-000-amp-circuit-breaker.
>
> Sound confusing to you?    The last several destructive shots with the little Chinese motor totally vaporized the contacts of the revering contactor that was rated for 40 amps all over 18ga. hook-up wire.  The only damage to the entire hook up was at the point of earth grounded contactor metal frame and annihillation of isolated charge during transition of reversing action.  The exact same conditions were duplicated with the 5HP motor experiments.   This tells me that anyone willing to follow the isolation of charge in space in reference to earth ground can do this.   I firmly believe this is the MAGNETO-ELECTRIC  Effect.  NEUTRAL SPIKE!
>
> All I had as far as scopes, was a 4 channel analog Tektronic (non storage) scope with standard 10X probes. You would have to have a very good storage scope to possibly capture the true picture of the event.
> Norm
>
> On 10/31/2018 10:08 AM, Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>  
>>
>> Norm,
>>
>> Very interesting results after the rain here, no more DC pulses.  I have
>> determined that the DC is an electrostatic petravoltaic function that
>> may play a smaller part in the phenomena of the magnetic re-connection
>> required for the effect.  This can be achieved by force such as millions
>> of volts and thousands of amps like nature or finesse as you first
>> determined with the Chinese motors.
>>
>> My main question is if you had been able to recreate the effect reliably
>> without the use of spinning mag fields from a motor?  In other words
>> from your undertaking it seems as if the spike appeared without shyness
>> from the magneto electric side.  I know you also mentioned the door
>> buzzer but besides a serious shock did anything else appear from the
>> buzzer experiments?
>>
>> I have been crashing saturated coils to ground and do on occasion see
>> anomalous power gain but nothing reliable or as spectacular as your
>> green flash through zip cord blowing up copper busses. 
>>
>> I have also noticed the shock from collapsing coils designed around the
>> magnetic quickly saturating material with low remanence such as mumetal
>> or permalloy but this shock effect will result with or without
>> grounding.  It is interesting however that this effect is absent from
>> many core materials without nickel.
>>
>> Mick
>>
>
>

Norm,

Across the neutral spike experiments you define there seems to be the
common modality of magnetic connection and electric isolation.  While my
recent experiments with battery power offer no magnetic connection and
are completely isolated from the source and ground until I make the
ground connection.

This is the same even that was messing with my scope and bench supply
even after the iso transformer when using domestic wall outlet sourced
electricity.  

OK I was generating these events as I said when I was using the iso
transformer to regular power but not with the completely isolated
battery or in this case extremely rare.

Brain needs a reboot...!...!


On 11/1/2018 7:28 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>  
>
> Mick! Your question regarding the ability to create the event reliably
> all centers on the isolation of charge (capacitive & inductive) in an
> isolated in space event! FLOATING NEUTRAL no ground reference. The
> Neutral Spike manifest from earth ground side to cancel the isolated
> charge in space. (No physical connection). Is this an aetheric
> connection as in re-connection physics?  The buzzer experiments were a
> classic example since the entire little circuitry had no earth
> reference and gave you the over 1000V shock if you touched an earth
> ground and metal frame of buzzer.   The bell transformer secondary
> winding was not ground reference but  acted as an isolation
> transformer.  I salvaged a lot of Medical Operating Room isolation
> transformers which gave total isolation from A/C buss for the 120VAC
> equipment being used for operating room.  They ranged between 3KVA to
> 5 KVA in size.  Interesting when you think about it!   In the Chinese
> fan motor example, the EE Professor watched the experiment and used my
> meters (LCR and Fluke  meters) to get and idea as to amount of energy
> stored in the inductor of the motor and capacitor but came up far
> short of explaining the huge discharge seen all over 18ga. ZIP cord
> and small 22ga. motor windings.  (BTW, non damaged or burned). The
> components were:  Emererson design 1/6HP, reversible shaded pole motor.
>
> Similar to this depiction except capacitor reversible: 
>
> https://store.kgpowersystems.com/9648-U.S.-Motors-Emerson-Shaded-Pole---PSC-Direct-Drive-Fan-Motor-.50-HP-208-230-Volts-1550-RPM.aspx?gclid=CjwKCAjwyOreBRAYEiwAR2mSkjA4QCQbePij6V4QHoslAAktDnfcBiE7QdfR6k64ibA-ScoEHzO7choCqjoQAvD_BwE
>
> Reversing 4MFD capacitor:  https://www.capacitorindustries.com/products/dao-3gj004/?gclid=CjwKCAjwyOreBRAYEiwAR2mSkpHak6pc_qm8yW53T3Dwvr8WHCAE_I4P7_d9GN3P5UTmrnRWe8DbwxoCN-YQAvD_BwE
>
> Carling double pole, double throw, on - on reversing switch: https://www.delcity.net/store/G-Series-Carling-Toggles/p_805876.h_805882.r_IF1003?mkwid=sIlJsVM5x&crid=38094426869&mp_kw=&mp_mt=&gclid=CjwKCAjwyOreBRAYEiwAR2mSkjgrYQWTvnoaPByYfIeImo2utdCk_-6kDxmDfWYKQeRhnMQLLZIjBxoCeegQAvD_BwE
>
> Green arc discharge:  http://www.vanert.com/page/arc-flash-evaluation
>
> https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20070816140349AAV782L&guccounter=2
>
> https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copper_vapor_laser
>
> Please refer to attachment: AWG
>
> Now this is an interesting topic that most of you have never seen!  Pick up any 20 amp circuit breaker and read about the instant current capability!  The 22 ga. motor windings are rated at about 2 amps (normal) see AWG attachment specs for 22awg copper magnet wire.  https://www.quora.com/Is-there-anything-such-as-a-10-000-amp-circuit-breaker.
>
> Sound confusing to you?    The last several destructive shots with the little Chinese motor totally vaporized the contacts of the revering contactor that was rated for 40 amps all over 18ga. hook-up wire.  The only damage to the entire hook up was at the point of earth grounded contactor metal frame and annihillation of isolated charge during transition of reversing action.  The exact same conditions were duplicated with the 5HP motor experiments.   This tells me that anyone willing to follow the isolation of charge in space in reference to earth ground can do this.   I firmly believe this is the MAGNETO-ELECTRIC  Effect.  NEUTRAL SPIKE!
>
> All I had as far as scopes, was a 4 channel analog Tektronic (non storage) scope with standard 10X probes. You would have to have a very good storage scope to possibly capture the true picture of the event.
> Norm
>
> On 10/31/2018 10:08 AM, Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>  
>>
>> Norm,
>>
>> Very interesting results after the rain here, no more DC pulses.  I have
>> determined that the DC is an electrostatic petravoltaic function that
>> may play a smaller part in the phenomena of the magnetic re-connection
>> required for the effect.  This can be achieved by force such as millions
>> of volts and thousands of amps like nature or finesse as you first
>> determined with the Chinese motors.
>>
>> My main question is if you had been able to recreate the effect reliably
>> without the use of spinning mag fields from a motor?  In other words
>> from your undertaking it seems as if the spike appeared without shyness
>> from the magneto electric side.  I know you also mentioned the door
>> buzzer but besides a serious shock did anything else appear from the
>> buzzer experiments?
>>
>> I have been crashing saturated coils to ground and do on occasion see
>> anomalous power gain but nothing reliable or as spectacular as your
>> green flash through zip cord blowing up copper busses. 
>>
>> I have also noticed the shock from collapsing coils designed around the
>> magnetic quickly saturating material with low remanence such as mumetal
>> or permalloy but this shock effect will result with or without
>> grounding.  It is interesting however that this effect is absent from
>> many core materials without nickel.
>>
>> Mick
>>
>
>