SSR opened up to replace mosfet

Going to put in a pair of low ohm HV mosfets bidirectionally for shorting generator coil at peak

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Kone,

I get what you are doing with the Mosfets but in your motors did you
ever attempt to use a SCR or TRIAC and if so what was the result issue etc?

I know they are slew rate limited compared to mosfets but just curious.



On 9/16/2018 10:28 AM, 'Douglas L. Konzen' [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>  
>
> Going to put in a pair of low ohm HV mosfets bidirectionally for
> shorting generator coil at peak
>
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Hi Mick
Have not tried SCRs or Triacs if Ac...i like the mosfets for low resistance especially paralell...what I am doing with the dugout SSR is to do peak coilshorting experiment with it ...4 parralled mosfets each side of bidirectional connected mosfets total of 8 mosfets is my plan you need ultra low ohms resistance in switching for good peak coil shorting
I I had motors drawing 300A or so SCRs best choice probably
Kone

looks like fun..
 did you ever try Photovoltaic mosfet drivers? Like a ASSR-V621 or 622 dual channels 0.28 ms on
 0.03 ms off time, maybe too slow?

Hi Machitous
The SSRs have.pretty slow response you need to advance or retard rotational timing to compensate.
..03 off time with those optic driver's you mention.looks pretty good thanks
Kone

Yes the stock one's are a little slow:
 Fotek SSR-80DD Off delay @4.7 volt 200 ohms 1.84 mS
                           On delay "        "                     0.56 mS
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 Mager MGR-1 DD220D40  Off delay <10 volts 200 ohms =1.28 mS
                                         On delay 1.28 mS
 Total 2.56 Milli seconds. Being way to slow of 60 hertz IMO
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 I only like the stand alone opto's for slower switching with a micro controller at 5 volts.
 Just need to find the proper Mosfet with low voltage drop with load.
 

 I got 3 DD220D80 (80 amp) Mager's on heat-sink and with a load of say 50 amps have voltage drop
 of 0.2 on 2 of them and 0.3 on the third one. Need to fix that.. Too many watts wasted.

Hi Machinatous
The delay time I think is the instant triigger side receives signal to instant gate of internal mosfet receives signal and the mosfet itself is lightning quick. Evidence of this is that there is always very good flyback/backemf recoil spikes to collect into caps with steering diode. So the shutoff of mosfet must be working very fast. 
So the big delay time is in the isolation circuitry which means you can readjust timing of trigger side signals to compensate for this delay just as long as not too fast of frequency of course.
Could be your wasted amps with mosfets is because you are not steering away the backemf recoil/flyback energy into external capacitors with steering diodes as that energy fights against the current flow through the mosfet and raises the draw
....i always get a little better efficiency to primary draw when backemf recoil/flyback recovery circuit is connected. If you leave mosfet cloded for two seconds and look at current drop you will see one thing but pulze mosfet 2ms on 2ms off and connect backemf recoil flybavk circuit to fill cap you will see somethong else not so bad (i think)
Kone

Hi Doug

 Sorry should had some details
 I measured the SSR's with a O-Scope and a Sig Gen..
 

 The 3 SSR's are for turning off a LiFeYP04 16 cell bank, thur a 100 amp DC breaker. With long #4 wire.

 They are only off if the voltage go's >~57 volts, as there are also 100 KWH of lead acid cells.
 

 If the Solid State Relay turns back on at 56.5 volts with no delay either the breaker protects them
 or one gets toasted..
 a 5-10 second delay works for me, It's only a small 10 KWH LiFeP04 lithium iron bank with 2x100F caps on 

 each cell as they are >2.7 volts.
 

 On a lead acid a 2.7 volt super cap works fine. I got 2 lead acid twin banks (1200 amp hour cells)
 they have 400F each on each cell, or 800F that hits the line to the LiFeYP04 cells. Thur the SSR's.
 

 So yes pure DC. Even the 100 amp breaker has gotten warm.

Hi
 Sorry should had some details
 I measured the SSR's with a O-Scope and a Sig Gen..
 

 The 3 SSR's are for turning off a LiFeYP04 16 cell bank, thur a 100 amp DC breaker. With long #4 wire.

 They are only off if the voltage go's >~57 volts, as there are also 100 KWH of lead acid cells.
 

 If the Solid State Relay turns back on at 56.5 volts with no delay either the breaker protects them
 or one gets toasted..
 a 5-10 second delay works for me, It's only a small 10 KWH LiFeP04 lithium iron bank with 2x100F caps on 

 each cell as they are >2.7 volts.
 

 On a lead acid a 2.7 volt super cap works fine. I got 2 lead acid twin banks (1200 amp hour cells)
 they have 400F each on each cell, or 800F that hits the line to the LiFeYP04 cells. Thur the SSR's.
 

 So yes pure DC. Even the 100 amp breaker has gotten warm.

Kone Linda was asking for you asking were  you were at at this moment !

Hi H 
Still in Minsk Belarus with wife.
She goes insane jealous if any women write me no matter if just friends its some sort of Russian culture thing...she reads all my emails but not evgray
Kone

OK had you applied for local citizenship comarad  ? 

 

---In [email protected], <konehead@...> wrote :

 Hi H 
 Still in Minsk Belarus with wife.
 She goes insane jealous if any women write me no matter if just friends its some sort of Russian culture thing...she reads all my emails but not evgray
 Kone

Hi H 
Because I am married to Belarus woman I can stay here long as I want however we have to go down pay a fee maybe 50 bucks and register myself periodically  but I am sure to be actual citizen I will have to speak and read Russian it's very difficult to learn...going back with wife to Seattle oct 10 she got a green card 
Kone

I think it will be a social shock for her  ... she may not adjust to local dynamics .....

as America is truly in total decay ...



(H) 


 

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 Hi H 
 Because I am married to Belarus woman I can stay here long as I want however we have to go down pay a fee maybe 50 bucks and register myself periodically but I am sure to be actual citizen I will have to speak and read Russian it's very difficult to learn...going back with wife to Seattle oct 10 she got a green card 
 Kone

Hi Doug, That's great. I am pleased that everything is working out.If in your travels, you are going through Canada, come visit my wife and I, at our place, here.There is always lots of room here in the country.I can usually arrange to pick you up at the airport, either in Toronto, or Ottawa.My workshop should be heated soon, so I can start moving in.There is a lot going on with construction on various buildings, but it will all be good.Cheers Warren

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Hi H 
Because I am married to Belarus woman I can stay here long as I want however we have to go down pay a fee maybe 50 bucks and register myself periodically but I am sure to be actual citizen I will have to speak and read Russian it's very difficult to learn...going back with wife to Seattle oct 10 she got a green card 
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Hector, only half the country is in decayThe other half didn't vote, or voted for somebody else.Time is running out on the charade.Soon, the adults will come home, and let's hope, be sensible.Its your country, run it the way you like it. You are in charge!Cheers Warren
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  On Thu, 4 Oct 2018 at 1:06 PM, [email protected] [EVGRAY]<[email protected]> wrote:       
I think it will be a social shock for her  ... she may not adjust to local dynamics .....

as America is truly in total decay ...



(H) 





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Hector have you applied for citizenship yet . bohemian ? 😇sounds like kono
found a keeper .
On Oct 4, 2018 12:20 PM, "Warren Keillor [email protected]
[EVGRAY]" <[email protected]> wrote:

>
>
>
> Hector,
> only half the country is in decay
> The other half didn't vote, or voted for somebody else.
> Time is running out on the charade.
> Soon, the adults will come home, and let's hope, be sensible.
> Its your country, run it the way you like it. You are in charge!
> Cheers Warren
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
> <https://go.onelink.me/107872968?pid=InProduct&c=Global_Internal_YGrowth_AndroidEmailSig__AndroidUsers&af_wl=ym&af_sub1=Internal&af_sub2=Global_YGrowth&af_sub3=EmailSignature>
>
> On Thu, 4 Oct 2018 at 1:06 PM, [email protected] [EVGRAY]
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
> I think it will be a social shock for her  ... she may not adjust to local
> dynamics .....
>
> as America is truly in total decay ...
>
>
>
> (H)
>
>
>
>
> ---In [email protected], <konehead@...> wrote :
>
> Hi H
> Because I am married to Belarus woman I can stay here long as I want
> however we have to go down pay a fee maybe 50 bucks and register myself
> periodically but I am sure to be actual citizen I will have to speak and
> read Russian it's very difficult to learn...going back with wife to Seattle
> oct 10 she got a green card
> Kone
>
> 
>

Hi H
People have stupid smiles in USA all the time while in Belarus they think smiling all the time is stupid...biggest difference I have seen....also 99.9% white Russians here, in Seattle area 20/20/20/20/20% Latinos/Blacks/ Asians/East Indians/Whites...seems to be 50% Chinese actually in suburbs of seattle where I live..
Kone

Hi Warren
Thanks fo kind offer but we got warm place set up outside of Seattle and going straight there...my wife obsessed with not being cold the house needs to be 78 degrees no cold drafts...a Russian princess...
Kone

Hi DougHa, ha one can never tell just how warm it will be in the country.Our power has been known to go off a couple of times a month.The house is at present heated with propane, not my favourite, but it works. I like 78 degrees too.Palm trees are nice as well. Maybe Hector has it right?Cheers Warren
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  On Thu, 4 Oct 2018 at 3:11 PM, [email protected] [EVGRAY]<[email protected]> wrote:       
Hi Warren
Thanks fo kind offer but we got warm place set up outside of Seattle and going straight there...my wife obsessed with not being cold the house needs to be 78 degrees no cold drafts...a Russian princess...
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