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DougYour message that I partially read regarding your month in Germany got wiped from my cell phone.It is frustrating. I looked in the trash in my phone, spam, and the usual suspects, and it was nowhere to be found. It wasn't a key punch stumble with my phone, you just were not there anymore with your message. Yahoo has been a pain in the butt, we know, since they were bought out, trying to sell ads on my screen, and so on, but this is weird.You were talking about the bouyancy chain " secret"which is hardly Earth shaking, though interesting, and even , perhaps in some aspect useful, if we can find a way to make it practical.Boing! Somebody pulled the plug on you.Cheers Warren

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Hi Warren 
Here is my post again:
"The engineer working at the German "free energy" lab I worked at too for a month last summe ( he is member of this group)r used to work for those guys with the vertical tows water bucket lift thing which peswiki had in their top 5...cant remember name now too, The engineer there made a full scale replication of it I saw it quite a big elaborate thing must taken months and 10 grand at least to build it but he told me it worked but as soon as you put a loadex generator on it it bogged down and didn't work so same thing with everything else : you need a Lenz free generator or forget about it...his conclusion their generator is.lenz free somehow and that is whole secret if it works at all..
Kone

By not having to put the air in at the bottom but create the gas ...hho..at
the bottom you eliminate that loss and if use pistons for lift like a motor
with a crank shaft you get rotation .and keep the gas as extra power for a
motor with a Muller generator . 12 Watts will if done well make 6 liters or
one and a half gal per minute and that lift is considerable .at five psi
you can go easy five feet up with small tubing that makes it safer .keeping
it small for safety lends it to cheap prototypes to find good and bad .and
prove viability .one tube hho gen would be enough to see whats what .at
that you might be running at 2 Watts .it's just a waste of energy not to
try to use the  buoyancy by product because it's there and available .
On Sep 7, 2018 9:33 AM, "[email protected] [EVGRAY]" <[email protected]>
wrote:

>
>
> Hi Warren
> Here is my post again:
> "The engineer working at the German "free energy" lab I worked at too for
> a month last summe ( he is member of this group)r used to work for those
> guys with the vertical tows water bucket lift thing which peswiki had in
> their top 5...cant remember name now too, The engineer there made a full
> scale replication of it I saw it quite a big elaborate thing must taken
> months and 10 grand at least to build it but he told me it worked but as
> soon as you put a loadex generator on it it bogged down and didn't work so
> same thing with everything else : you need a Lenz free generator or forget
> about it...his conclusion their generator is.lenz free somehow and that is
> whole secret if it works at all..
> Kone
> 
>

Or a low lenz one based in what was given here long ago ....
as QEG was made into not even god can replicate pile of feces 

(H)



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 Hi Warren 
 Here is my post again:
 "The engineer working at the German "free energy" lab I worked at too for a month last summe ( he is member of this group)r used to work for those guys with the vertical tows water bucket lift thing which peswiki had in their top 5...cant remember name now too, The engineer there made a full scale replication of it I saw it quite a big elaborate thing must taken months and 10 grand at least to build it but he told me it worked but as soon as you put a loadex generator on it it bogged down and didn't work so same thing with everything else : you need a Lenz free generator or forget about it...his conclusion their generator is.lenz free somehow and that is whole secret if it works at all..
 Kone

Hi Warren 
From what I understood the guys in Germany got it to work and revolve maybe enough energy created to run the air pump,  I am not sure about that, but what I saw also had a large standard generator connected maybe 10 or 20k size and they told.me when this was hooked up it just bogged down ...this generator so big I had feeling the water tower thing  could not spin it even unloaded. They were very dissapoinred with it and conclusion it could only work with specially designed Lenz generator with near zero rotational lAtching too....so if you have one of those what use is water tower but for show.
Kone

DougThe pump only has to pump air to 1 atmosphere to go 30 feet or so, down to the bottom of the water column. That is only about 15lbs pressure.A diaphram pump can deliver that, or a vane type pump, either can be belt driven by any motor.The question is all about how much hp differential  between pumping and driving the pump from the chain floatation bucket line driven by rising expanding bubbles, floating the buckets to the surface, or tip point?Cheers Warren
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  On Fri, 7 Sep 2018 at 10:33 AM, [email protected] [EVGRAY]<[email protected]> wrote:       
Hi Warren 
Here is my post again:
"The engineer working at the German "free energy" lab I worked at too for a month last summe ( he is member of this group)r used to work for those guys with the vertical tows water bucket lift thing which peswiki had in their top 5...cant remember name now too, The engineer there made a full scale replication of it I saw it quite a big elaborate thing must taken months and 10 grand at least to build it but he told me it worked but as soon as you put a loadex generator on it it bogged down and didn't work so same thing with everything else : you need a Lenz free generator or forget about it...his conclusion their generator is.lenz free somehow and that is whole secret if it works at all..
Kone
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DougShow should not be underestimated. Artists make a living doing shows.Capitalists get very confused when money doesn't come pouring out when they pull the handle.However, an interesting work in progress, grinds to a halt when you beat it to make a golden egg.Things have to evolve naturally with ingenuity, and the right spirit behind the project. We have all had to work for someone else trying to float a project on borrowed capital. It is just producing magic to a deadline placed there by the fact the money is expected to be returned with interest by x date. That is not learning for fun, like artists do.It all becomes an ugly enterprise full of high pressure expectations, rather than the pure joy of discovery.Deadlines are useful directions for all of us, but discovery must happen as you observe and think about something.It is a rather two dimensional world that says only" I want to see money, I want to see money"It is an unfortunate barrier to making a discovery. Capitalists don't understand art, and likely never will. Lateral thinking is not linear. Bucky Fuller discribed this thought proccess as "synergy" where he vissualized thought patterns in three or more dimensions, much as in rhe physical forms of his geodesic domes enclose space.Rather than tie a big frigging generator to it, play with it to see what yoy can do with it.Cheers Warren
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  On Sat, 8 Sep 2018 at 1:03 AM, [email protected] [EVGRAY]<[email protected]> wrote:       
Hi Warren

Einspace
The Meyer system of stepped hivoltage cold electrical .on Patrick Keely's
PDF...if he hasn't removed it..in the new version . a Dr. somebody did the
work .I copied the design on paper I have his name somewhere I'm just a
little tied up right now to get it . but if you need it I will .
On Sep 8, 2018 4:38 AM, "Warren Keillor [email protected]
[EVGRAY]" <[email protected]> wrote:

>
>
>
> Doug
> Show should not be underestimated. Artists make a living doing shows.
> Capitalists get very confused when money doesn't come pouring out when
> they pull the handle.
> However, an interesting work in progress, grinds to a halt when you beat
> it to make a golden egg.
> Things have to evolve naturally with ingenuity, and the right spirit
> behind the project.
> We have all had to work for someone else trying to float a project on
> borrowed capital. It is just producing magic to a deadline placed there by
> the fact the money is expected to be returned with interest by x date. That
> is not learning for fun, like artists do.
> It all becomes an ugly enterprise full of high pressure expectations,
> rather than the pure joy of discovery.Deadlines are useful directions for
> all of us, but discovery must happen as you observe and think about
> something.
> It is a rather two dimensional world that says only" I want to see money,
> I want to see money"
> It is an unfortunate barrier to making a discovery. Capitalists don't
> understand art, and likely never will. Lateral thinking is not linear.
> Bucky Fuller discribed this thought proccess as "synergy" where he
> vissualized thought patterns in three or more dimensions, much as in rhe
> physical forms of his geodesic domes enclose space.
> Rather than tie a big frigging generator to it, play with it to see what
> yoy can do with it.
> Cheers Warren
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
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>
> On Sat, 8 Sep 2018 at 1:03 AM, [email protected] [EVGRAY]
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
> Hi Warren
> From what I understood the guys in Germany got it to work and revolve
> maybe enough energy created to run the air pump, I am not sure about that,
> but what I saw also had a large standard generator connected maybe 10 or
> 20k size and they told.me when this was hooked up it just bogged down
> ...this generator so big I had feeling the water tower thing could not spin
> it even unloaded. They were very dissapoinred with it and conclusion it
> could only work with specially designed Lenz generator with near zero
> rotational lAtching too....so if you have one of those what use is water
> tower but for show.
> Kone
>
> 
>