A real head scratcher

Hi Ed,

I think I can see what you have been trying to tell us but not really 
telling us about isolating the load from the supply, this is an old idea 
that we talked about in the 1950s, but it does work. Let me explain:

Let's say we have a coil with both leads going to the common terminals 
of 2 two-way changeover switches.  From the load terminals of the 
two-way changeover switches let's say that we connect the applied 
voltage supply on the left side terminals, and we connect the load to 
the right side terminals.

So in effect our coil leads are connected to the common terminals of the 
2 two-way changeover switches, and then the coil can be switched on to 
the left side terminals to the applied voltage supply, to get a pulse, 
and then switched to the right side terminals to the load, to put the 
resulting collapsing field spike into the load.

Every time we switch the changeover switches to isolate the coil from 
the supply voltage, we supply a voltage spike to the load and by doing 
it many times a second we have a useful OU output to the load.

Here is something from my notes that I came across while investigating 
more about collapsing field technology some years ago.  I don't know the 
name of the author or owner of this document.

CFT- (Collapsing Field Technology) - Updated 2008

/In electrical systems, the term "back emf" actually refers to the equal 
and opposite force field accompanying the "forward emf", in any 
"symmetrical" electrical system.
In magnetic systems, the corresponding term is "forward and back mmf", 
rather than "forward and back emf".


All rotating motors actually turn themselves from the broken symmetry 
that is created inside them. The present engineers have been trained 
that they must pay to put extra energy into the system, just to break 
its symmetry. That of course is totally false. Otherwise, a rotating 
electron (with its continual spin) would not spin.


In a normal motor, we are trained to put in a coil (say, there in the 
back mmf region) and then we pay to put in a sudden surge of EM energy 
to that coil, so that it momentarily overrides (cancels) the back mmf 
force. In short, we momentarily make the system asymmetrical, so that 
its net back mmf is less than its forward mmf.


That means that now the motor retains at least some of its excess 
acceleration and excess angular momentum added to the flywheel and shaft 
in its previous acceleration (forward mmf) zone, but we are "paying" 
(the electric power grid) to have this occur.


Anyway, once that broken symmetry between forward and back mmfs is 
there, with the back mmf deliberately reduced to less than the forward 
mmf, the motor will self-rotate because of its own system asymmetry.


The fact that this effect has for over one hundred years been viewed as 
a problem to be designed out of electrical systems, perhaps because of 
greed, and no on had seriously considered it as a source of abundant 
free energy. Everyone knew it was there, but no one recognized its 
potential.


The standard, as manufactured, electrical generator systems can be 
modified inexpensively to the Over-Unity / Asymmetrical design concept.

By the addition of a second set of commutator brushes and / or the 
addition of a second slip ring assembly in the present electrical 
generators,
Over-Unity output, or asymmetrical rotation is achievable in hours.


These additional elements are to collect / scavenger, the collapsing 
fields (C.E.M.F.) of both the the armatures and field coils of present 
electrical generator sets.


Present design throws away this tremendous amount of electrical energy 
in the collapsing fields.(C.E.M.F.) You pay for it, why not get the 
utility of it?


Everyone who makes use of electrical circuits have always considered the 
collapsing field effect to be a nuisance because, when using a 
mechanical relay coil in an electronic circuit, it would cause a current 
to be pumped back into the circuit, creating havoc. One solution to the 
problem of C.E.M.F. was to install a diode across the coil leads and 
when the power was removed, the C.E.M.F. caused a current to flow which 
passed through the diode and to be dissipated as heat in the coil itself 
and not in the circuit.


On the armature / exciter element just install a second set of brushes 
or slip rings the exact amount behind behind the driver units, needed to 
collect the C.E.M.F., of the armature field collapse, to take it out of 
the system for additional output generator utility.


On the field coil system, just install a second set of brushes / slip 
rings the exact amount behind the original primary field coil system 
needed to collect the C.E.M.F. of the field coils collapsing fields for 
utility, when taken out of the unit as additional generator output utility.


The additional new C.E.M.F. outputs can easily be phased to the original 
output system load wiring.
These modifications more than doubled the generators output power at 
small modification cost / time, and no increase in operating costs.


This general design modification allows for most any currently 
manufactured electrical generator set to be an over-unity design; and 
with some additional external modifications a self-standing over-unity 
configuration can be obtained on most commercial electric generators by 
any competent electrical engineer. Why pay for fuel / power that you 
have available in your generator system already?


Again, just collect (scavenger) the C.E.M.F. of the armature and field 
coil"s collapses for far- over unity operation of these devices, and 
with external circuit additions, stand alone, fuelless electrical power 
is available to everyone, in the form of an off the shelf, 
self-substaining, asymmetrical, electrical generator.


The same modifications can be made in most manufactured motors as they 
can be made into generators easily.


Just scavage the armature and field coil collapses , control it with an 
external circuit, and you have a stand-alone over-unity electrical 
generator.

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Below is a stationary "motionless electromagntic generator design, based 
on the Alexander patent, that has been built experimentally; No far out 
0 point vacuum explanations needed;

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The best form would have no moving parts.
Looking at at the common transformer, and how it works, supplies the 
answer.


In any kind of transformer, electricity is transferred between the two 
coils by the magnetic field.  When a coil is initially powered up or 
switched off, that coil creates a magnetic field which causes an initial 
rush of electricity, usually called a 'voltage spike.'


In conventional electronics, this voltage spike is suppressed to protect 
the other components from damage.  In collapsing field technology (CFT), 
that voltage spike is harnessed, not suppressed.


If I take a DC signal generator power supply, and connect it to the 
primary of the transformer, I can make a generator of sorts.


I'll turn on the DC signal in the primary coil windings for just an 
instant, and then turn it off.
In the secondary there is a flux linkage following of the primary signal 
that is some 90% of he input power.


But we can recover also, the secondary's field collapse for an 
additional 90% of input power.


Thus, any transformer secondary will produce about 180% of the input 
power in this mode, with a gradually applied quarter sine or sawtooth 
wave shape. input DC signal.


But wait, we are throwing recoverable power away in the primary coil 
winding's field collapse. By applying the DC power input signal and then 
, when the input power is cut off, switch the primary winding's field 
collapse to the output also, the primary field collapse contributes at 
least another 90% to the output, for a grand total of about 270% gain, 
in this design.


The DC power signal must only take primary winding up and then let go 
(open ) at the top voltage.
Thus, the primary can be switched to the output to recover it's field 
collapse, that is in synchronozation with the secondary's field collapse.


Simple electronic switching can accomplish all of these functions, at 
little power usage and low cost.Therefore, the gain of a transformer 
over-unity generator would probably be about 250% output power to input 
power, and no mechanical motion needed.


Many old motors and generators could be adapted to the transformer 
design, given above.


The armature must be fixed permanently stationary and the air gap 
between armature and field coils filled with iron filings. The air gap 
iron filings, or iron powder filling is to make the best use of the 
primary's ( armature ) full flux power.


This makes for best transformer action and the highest power gain 
possible with this conversion design.


Cooling, through holes, can be left in the air gap if necessary in these 
units. The external switching electronic circuitry is the same as common 
transformer design, above.


All we have done is to turn the motor / generator into a reasonable 
transformer.


What is happening in this design is that for one"up"( power signal ) in 
the primary coil, we get the "up" ( field build ) in the secondary coil 
and the " downs" ( field collapses ) of both the secondary and primary 
coil as output power


Think of the primary coils as coupled "springs" and it will all be clear.


This transformer / generator design has been the nature of 
electromagnetic coils all the time--we just never saw it.


And if the unit is actuated 60 times a second, allowing for the 
counter-electromotive force field collapses, it makes the standard 
household 60Hz electrical generator.


This design concept is the natural last step after recovery of secondary 
collapses was introduced in generator designs.


The same gain principle and results could then be achieved in capacitor 
systems.


The charge (up ) cycle from the secondary plate and the two discharge 
cycles from both the secondary and primary plates would be the output 
power.


The basic external switching electronics is generally the same as in the 
transformer designs.


These designs are in the basic nature of energy storage / transfer 
elements---one input allows for the utility of the one input transfer 
and the two storage collapses or discharges as output power ( about 300% 
gain ) /

George

Doug!   A lot of history here behind this concept.   You were there with 
me at the KeelyNet Conference where I had the EV Gray Motors 
disassembled and explained the inner working of same. In the YouTube 
video you will see that I pointed out the additional contacts in the 
commutation slip rings that captured the CEMF sending the spike energy 
back to the battery source. The motors were powered by DC pulse energy.  
I started my research on this idea way back in the early 80s by buying 
plans from John Bedini for the Tesla Switch using a DC motor with the 2 
gel cell 12V batteries being switched in the configuration explained by 
George. I had extended the motor shaft and had 4 sets of slip rings to 
mechanically switch  between supply and load battery.    DC saw tooth 
input so you can switch off input power at the saturation point of the 
BH curve just at the point where the coil impedance drops to an air core 
coil value as Ole has explained. When an inductor goes into 
supersaturation the impedance drops. It is at this exact point that you 
want to switch from supply  to load output so as to capture the spike 
energy of decaying magnetic field. The idea of using a locked rotor 
configuration falls directly in line with my 5 HP motor set up that gave 
me the Neutral Spike output.  Isolation from supply power with spike 
energy going into earth ground. This proposal sends the spike energy to 
a load or back to supply battery. BTW, John Bedini was sitting right in 
front of me at the Conference presentation and I asked him to verify 
some info that I was discussing.  That was a great Conference which gave 
me the opportunity to meet you and see your work in this area.  This 
idea of variable impedance creating the pumping effect falls right 
inline with the Hyde Patent where that configuration dealt with variable 
capacitance giving the same pumping effect.  If you take a hypothetical 
capacitor of X-value of capacitance and charge it to say 1000V and 
instantly drop the capacitance value to zero (hypothetically) the 
voltage would go to infinity. Same with an inductor of a high Henry 
value loaded with magnetic flux energy and you suddenly change the Henry 
value to a much lower value, you have in effect multiplied the energy 
(voltage & current) which we see in the ferroresonance phenomenon.  It 
all makes sense when you think it all out. It has been measured at 
ferroresonance a transformer winding will have voltage spikes at 10X the 
supply voltage and current magnitude greatly multiplied.  Just a matter 
of capturing that energy and make it do work for us.

Norm


On 7/9/2018 3:49 AM, [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>
> Hi Norman
> What a very very great article you found here talking about converting 
> standard motors to overunity devices using a second set of commutators 
> brushes and harnessing the CEMF.
> It is all so easy to understand and makes perfect sense all the way 
> through.
> I have been "preaching" some.of these concepts and ideas for over 
> twenty years...this person taking it to much more understandable levels.
> The 2nd set of brush commutator idea really works well and I have done 
> lots of succesful experiments with them.
> All I can think to add is he calls for 2nd set of brushes to be 
> "phased" I would add for the timing to be "delayef" a bit with the 2nd 
> set of brushes and this is what he calls "phased " I will guess.
> I found about 5 degrees retarded, like an echo, as to when to connect 
> 2nd set of brushes to load or caps gives super good results and the 
> frequency or rpms of motor will decide the exact connection 
> point....also have 2nd switching share same pulse width length with 
> primary pulse width...but just delay it a bit, the 2nd switching.
> I really like the author saying to input sawtooth DC pulsed in 
> transformers for example, as now the primary will have the CEMF to 
> harness as well as secondary, because of the cut off of current up 
> there at the peak.....and to use this in generators too... in.my mind 
> do not input or output "smooth sinewave AC instead chop in and out 
> sawtooth so you can always harness that CEMF.
> Anyways thank you so much for that article very inspiring for me at least.
> Would be fun to know author but not on need to know list...
> Kone
>
>

Hi Norman
What a very very great article you found here talking about converting standard motors to overunity devices using a second set of commutators brushes and harnessing the CEMF.
It is all so easy to understand and makes perfect sense all the way through.
I have been "preaching" some.of these concepts and ideas for over twenty years...this person taking it to much more understandable levels.
The 2nd set of brush commutator idea really works well and I have done lots of succesful experiments with them.
All I can think to add is he calls for 2nd set of brushes to be "phased" I would add for the timing to be "delayef" a bit with the 2nd set of brushes and this is what he calls "phased " I will guess. 
I found about 5 degrees retarded, like an echo, as to when to connect 2nd set of brushes to load or caps gives super good results and the frequency or rpms of motor will decide the exact connection point....also have 2nd switching share same pulse width length with primary pulse width...but just delay it a bit, the 2nd  switching.
I really like the author saying to input sawtooth DC pulsed  in transformers for example, as now the primary will have the CEMF to harness as well as secondary, because of the cut off of current up there at the peak.....and to use this in generators too... in.my mind do not input or output "smooth sinewave AC instead chop in and out sawtooth so you can always harness that CEMF.
Anyways thank you so much for that article very inspiring for me at least.
Would be fun to know author but not on need to know list...
Kone

Something they don't tell is for it to be more effective winding must be WYE to eliminate self shunting and be OU  its easy just cut one end of the wire in the commutator segments in any dc motor rotor and solder it to a common ring ,,,,,  you can do that is small motors also .... voltage capacity will double .

This i had posted long ago , but people don't read , many just are here to sabotage and distract and others are just collecting information on devices used to make them into useless pieces of shit ....

the only thing i say to this people is dont ask for me when they are burning in hell ...

(H) 

 

---In [email protected], <konehead@...> wrote :

 Hi Norman
 What a very very great article you found here talking about converting standard motors to overunity devices using a second set of commutators brushes and harnessing the CEMF.
 It is all so easy to understand and makes perfect sense all the way through.
 I have been "preaching" some.of these concepts and ideas for over twenty years...this person taking it to much more understandable levels.
 The 2nd set of brush commutator idea really works well and I have done lots of succesful experiments with them.
 All I can think to add is he calls for 2nd set of brushes to be "phased" I would add for the timing to be "delayef" a bit with the 2nd set of brushes and this is what he calls "phased " I will guess. 
 I found about 5 degrees retarded, like an echo, as to when to connect 2nd set of brushes to load or caps gives super good results and the frequency or rpms of motor will decide the exact connection point....also have 2nd switching share same pulse width length with primary pulse width...but just delay it a bit, the 2nd switching.
 I really like the author saying to input sawtooth DC pulsed in transformers for example, as now the primary will have the CEMF to harness as well as secondary, because of the cut off of current up there at the peak.....and to use this in generators too... in.my mind do not input or output "smooth sinewave AC instead chop in and out sawtooth so you can always harness that CEMF.
 Anyways thank you so much for that article very inspiring for me at least.
 Would be fun to know author but not on need to know list...
 Kone

NormThat is likely what was happening when I daisy chained 10 big dc motors using fwbrs fed 35 volts and ending up with more than 90 volts at the last motor.Doug's idea regarding the rectifier on the brush leads seems to have worked even better than expected, when multiplied over several separate motors.The tread mill motors have a double ended shaft, which makes an extra commutator easy to install.Is this just a mechanical switch timed after the power on sequence to the coils, directing the resultant high voltage  of the sudden open, where ever you wish?Perhaps the additional rectifiers supply this same function?Cheers Warren
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  On Mon, 9 Jul 2018 at 7:55 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY]<[email protected]> wrote:       
 

Doug!   A lot of history here behind this concept.   You were there with me at the KeelyNet Conference where I had the EV Gray Motors disassembled and explained the inner working of same. In the YouTube video you will see that I pointed out the additional contacts in the commutation slip rings that captured the CEMF sending the spike energy back to the battery source. The motors were powered by DC pulse energy.  I started my research on this idea way back in the early 80s by buying plans from John Bedini for the Tesla Switch using a DC motor with the 2 gel cell 12V batteries being switched in the configuration explained by George. I had extended the motor shaft and had 4 sets of slip rings to mechanically switch  between supply and load battery.    DC saw tooth input so you can switch off input power at the saturation point of the BH curve just at the point where the coil impedance drops to an air core coil value as Ole has explained. When an inductor goes into supersaturation the impedance drops. It is at this exact point that you want to switch from supply  to load output so as to capture the spike energy of decaying magnetic field. The idea of using a locked rotor configuration falls directly in line with my 5 HP motor set up that gave me the Neutral Spike output.  Isolation from supply power with spike energy going into earth ground. This proposal sends the spike energy to a load or back to supply battery. BTW, John Bedini was sitting right in front of me at the Conference presentation and I asked him to verify some info that I was discussing.  That was a great Conference which gave me the opportunity to meet you and see your work in this area.  This idea of variable impedance creating the pumping effect falls right inline with the Hyde Patent where that configuration dealt with variable capacitance giving the same pumping effect.  If you take a hypothetical capacitor of X-value of capacitance and charge it to say 1000V and instantly drop the capacitance value to zero (hypothetically) the voltage would go to infinity. Same with an inductor of a high Henry value loaded with magnetic flux energy and you suddenly change the Henry value to a much lower value, you have in effect multiplied the energy  (voltage & current) which we see in the ferroresonance phenomenon.  It all makes sense when you think it all out. It has been measured at ferroresonance a transformer winding will have voltage spikes at 10X the supply voltage and current magnitude greatly multiplied.  Just a matter of capturing that energy and make it do work for us.
 
Norm
 
 
 On 7/9/2018 3:49 AM, [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
  
    
Hi Norman
 What a very very great article you found here talking about converting standard motors to overunity devices using a second set of commutators brushes and harnessing the CEMF.
 It is all so easy to understand and makes perfect sense all the way through.
 I have been "preaching" some.of these concepts and ideas for over twenty years...this person taking it to much more understandable levels.
 The 2nd set of brush commutator idea really works well and I have done lots of succesful experiments with them.
 All I can think to add is he calls for 2nd set of brushes to be "phased" I would add for the timing to be "delayef" a bit with the 2nd set of brushes and this is what he calls "phased " I will guess. 
 I found about 5 degrees retarded, like an echo, as to when to connect 2nd set of brushes to load or caps gives super good results and the frequency or rpms of motor will decide the exact connection point....also have 2nd switching share same pulse width length with primary pulse width...but just delay it a bit, the 2nd switching.
 I really like the author saying to input sawtooth DC pulsed in transformers for example, as now the primary will have the CEMF to harness as well as secondary, because of the cut off of current up there at the peak.....and to use this in generators too... in.my mind do not input or output "smooth sinewave AC instead chop in and out sawtooth so you can always harness that CEMF.
 Anyways thank you so much for that article very inspiring for me at least.
 Would be fun to know author but not on need to know list...
 Kone
 
 
  
 
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Hi Warren
Could be the additional fwbrs in the motor daisy  chain downstream cause a delay effect also the FWBR instead of single diode as is normally done to capture the CEMF makes for a juttering delay and machine gun release of the CEMF as opposed to single spike blast. (Maybe)
My theory (one of them)about the delay of connection causes the timing of CEMF spike to line up and cohere with the inherent back emf force at its.peak of " opposing force", and the spike is so sudden and of such high voltage it knocks a chip off of the inherent backemf forces which releases itself from its natural-job of opposing the forward EMF and now this "chip off the block" of backEMF goes in same direction as the spike energy and is rectified as well riding underneath and supporting the spike energy, so there becomes a sudden large current along with the spike ...that is ,if the timing is just right when recovery circuit connects which is about a 5 degree delay in time I found with my motors.

Kone

Doug and Norm,
I sent in that collapsing field technology in 2008.
Here is a link to start tracking it down.
George

collapsing field technology overunity.mht - Google Search

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    On Monday, 9 July 2018, 6:49:40 pm AEST, [email protected] [EVGRAY] <[email protected]> wrote:  
 
     
Hi Norman
What a very very great article you found here talking about converting standard motors to overunity devices using a second set of commutators brushes and harnessing the CEMF.
It is all so easy to understand and makes perfect sense all the way through.
I have been "preaching" some.of these concepts and ideas for over twenty years...this person taking it to much more understandable levels.
The 2nd set of brush commutator idea really works well and I have done lots of succesful experiments with them.
All I can think to add is he calls for 2nd set of brushes to be "phased" I would add for the timing to be "delayef" a bit with the 2nd set of brushes and this is what he calls "phased " I will guess. 
I found about 5 degrees retarded, like an echo, as to when to connect 2nd set of brushes to load or caps gives super good results and the frequency or rpms of motor will decide the exact connection point....also have 2nd switching share same pulse width length with primary pulse width...but just delay it a bit, the 2nd switching.
I really like the author saying to input sawtooth DC pulsed in transformers for example, as now the primary will have the CEMF to harness as well as secondary, because of the cut off of current up there at the peak.....and to use this in generators too... in.my mind do not input or output "smooth sinewave AC instead chop in and out sawtooth so you can always harness that CEMF.
Anyways thank you so much for that article very inspiring for me at least.
Would be fun to know author but not on need to know list...
Kone