Re: [EVGRAY] Mystery machine

Hi David, this is what you said to kone:

"Hi Kone

With all respect to you and other honest researchers,i will disclose
to our members only one to one and one setup for me one for him!
Now A.C.H Jensen from Norway want to visit me for one setup..
After that will see who will be the next!

popp"

I must misunderstood your message, "i will disclose
to our members only one to one and one setup for me one for him!"  What you
mean with that? Everybody here is a member of EVGRAY, or you mean another
group? "one to one and one setup for me one for him" isn't that means I
give you something and you give something? Like a trade? Am I missing
something here?
James: I'm not a troll! Ask Hector if you doubt it. It seems I just
misunderstood his message.

einspace

Hi David / Popps?
 hard to understand the printed word sometimes
 Personally I think if you have a looping motor-generator you should immediately open source it, not only for your own safety, but also for the rest of the world to copy and eventually  manufacture worldwide.
 My opinion...
 Also patents are useless waste of money going to lawyers so why care if someone patents your creation and invention?
 Your creation most probably based largely on others creations and inventions too so who cares eh.
 ciaoKone

Yes my friend
It means exactly that but in your previous email you interpreted my
words too much freely as you like .
I said i will disclosure my machine for anyone who want to come here-one on one.
He will be here as much as necessary to be,one machine of your power
choice for you one for me..at least 10 kw  or more!
We will make non-disclosure agreement  and do not tell me that my rule
is not fair..i am not stupid.
I dont want tomorrow be forced to buy my machine from some idiot who
will patented my hard work!! Ask Hector about his rotoverter..Now is
patented from unknown "INVENTOR"!!!
That is!!
If you dont want this condition-that is your problem
I know you are honest researcher and i have watched you videos!
Before you post  think twice and than post!

On 5/13/18, Jonathan Rivera [email protected] [EVGRAY]
<[email protected]> wrote:
> Hi David, this is what you said to kone:
>
> "Hi Kone
>
> With all respect to you and other honest researchers,i will disclose
> to our members only one to one and one setup for me one for him!
> Now A.C.H Jensen from Norway want to visit me for one setup..
> After that will see who will be the next!
>
> popp"
>
> I must misunderstood your message, "i will disclose
> to our members only one to one and one setup for me one for him!"  What you
> mean with that? Everybody here is a member of EVGRAY, or you mean another
> group? "one to one and one setup for me one for him" isn't that means I
> give you something and you give something? Like a trade? Am I missing
> something here?
> James: I'm not a troll! Ask Hector if you doubt it. It seems I just
> misunderstood his message.
>
> einspace
>

Empty body

For keeping it a proprietary secret you could go to a public notary to have the envelope sealed and registered. This would be like making a secret patent. The envelope is then only to be opened as proof of prior art in a court of law.

For making it public to prevent it from ever being patented in my country it was possible to fax a patent application to the patent authority. Perhaps an email will do today. You got back a receipt with some reference number. Then if not paying the bill a patent would not be issued. But the patent application would still be publicized and thus prevented anyone from patenting the idea as it wasn't new anymore. This was found out by a Danish inventor that didn't pay the bill. Now this way can be used to make a patent and waiting to pay for up to one year I think. If the inventor can't sell the idea in that year the idea may not have any market value and thus isn't worth patenting anyway.

The invention is made public and even being publicized by the patent authorities. But publicizing it in a very small newspaper with few readers will do exactly the same thing to make it prior art for everybody else. My guess is that even publicizing in an internet forum will do the same thing as this will work as documentation for prior art. Then if someone tries to stop somebody from manufacturing by using a patent just show that the idea was from that forum and prior art to a later patent that then is invalidated. Hector can do that if he can prove prior art to the patent.

Putting the description in a notarized closed envelope is more for keeping it a secret while being able to claim prior art in a court. This doesn't prevent others from patenting until having a court invalidate the patent. As it was a secret other people couldn't know the idea was prior art.

Here in DK we got secret patents probably for being able to buy military equipment from the US. Breaking a secret patent can put you in jail according to that law. On the other hand in a democracy you can't be put in jail for breaking something that is kept secret. You have to be able to know beforehand if you're violating a protected idea. Thus I wonder what happens if that law is ever being used in a court of law. The inventor can have spent a fortune in time and money to invent something without knowing it being patented in secret. Thus the inventor can claim compensation.

Regards
Ole
 

---In [email protected], <lutzliebers@...> wrote :

 Hi David,
 I am entering the discussion right now, not knowing what it was about, before.
 
 >>> I dont want tomorrow be forced to buy my machine from some idiot who
 >>> will patented my hard work!! 
 I wonder how a patent office can issue a patent on a matter that violates the
 laws of thermodynamics according to school science.
 
 In either case I recommend to claim your "right based on prior use". 
 For this purpose do the following:
 - summarize your invention in the shape of an affidavit of truth
 - find three witnesses to autograph it one below the other, in the middle under
   the text. Your signature should be given to the right of that. Do not use the left
   hand column, since it is reserved for the debtor.
 - use sealing wax to seal the envelope (the "vessel" in uniform commercial or
   maritime law) with your right thumb
 - send the doc to your place as a registered letter with reply advice of delivery
 - never open it except in front of a patent court judge 
 
 This precautionary measure enables you to use or exploit your invention up to 
 the end of your days without problems, no matter who is registering.
 
 ----
 
 To enter the discussion about the conditions to participate in your alleged 
 OU device, let me know please if you give out blueprints for replication.
 I am a retired electronic engineer and run my private mechanical shop. 
 http://www.schiefs.com/mystuff/werkstatt1.JPG http://www.schiefs.com/mystuff/werkstatt1.JPG
 In return, I can make you mechanical parts.
 
 Regards
 lutzliebers@... mailto:lutzliebers@...
 
 
 
 Am 13.05.2018 um 07:37 schrieb david jones binacca@... mailto:binacca@... [EVGRAY]:

   Yes my friend
 It means exactly that but in your previous email you interpreted my
 words too much freely as you like .
 I said i will disclosure my machine for anyone who want to come here-one on one.
 He will be here as much as necessary to be,one machine of your power
 choice for you one for me..at least 10 kw or more!
 We will make non-disclosure agreement and do not tell me that my rule
 is not fair..i am not stupid.
 I dont want tomorrow be forced to buy my machine from some idiot who
 will patented my hard work!! Ask Hector about his rotoverter..Now is
 patented from unknown "INVENTOR"!!!
 That is!!
 If you dont want this condition-that is your problem
 I know you are honest researcher and i have watched you videos!
 Before you post think twice and than post!
 
 On 5/13/18, Jonathan Rivera einspace2005@... mailto:einspace2005@... [EVGRAY]
 <[email protected]> mailto:[email protected] wrote:
 > Hi David, this is what you said to kone:
 >
 > "Hi Kone
 >
 > With all respect to you and other honest researchers,i will disclose
 > to our members only one to one and one setup for me one for him!
 > Now A.C.H Jensen from Norway want to visit me for one setup..
 > After that will see who will be the next!
 >
 > popp"
 >
 > I must misunderstood your message, "i will disclose
 > to our members only one to one and one setup for me one for him!" What you
 > mean with that? Everybody here is a member of EVGRAY, or you mean another
 > group? "one to one and one setup for me one for him" isn't that means I
 > give you something and you give something? Like a trade? Am I missing
 > something here?
 > James: I'm not a troll! Ask Hector if you doubt it. It seems I just
 > misunderstood his message.
 >
 > einspace
 >

DavidI basically concur with Doug regarding protecting your device against those who would seek to create an exclusive monopoly to manufacture , or simply control the distribution of such a device to the World.Decades ago, I got an American patent.It was an interesting experience, as I was using a very young, but absolutely brilliant lawyer, recomended by a classmate of his at law school. We were all pretty much the same age.The field he had chosen was patent law.He had already graduated top of his class in engineering, and then went on to do the same thing in law school.It was not just a client/ professional relationship. It was delving into matters far deeper than one normally would go in business.The whole psychology and ethics of the conceptual basis of patents was on the table. With that, my own reasons were simply public recognition, a smelly pissing post, that I had raised my leg at, while John Dykstra in Hollywood was flaunting his Dystraflex coming out of a film called Starwars. His was a gimmick to use optical printing, a post production complicated system.I just, at exactly the same time, had shot a science fiction film called Starship Invasions, in Canada, for 1/20th the budget using something I invented which allowed everything to be shot live on locationwithout any matt lines that optical printing produced. My device was a good trick, and equally ingenious.I wanted to display my piss, and vinagar.Oh, I got a US patent all right.The film's producers were gleeful.They even bought, and built, a beautiful white stucco and tile roofed studio, in old Hollywood, just for me.I had to break their hearts, because in Toronto, I had a half built ship sitting on the dock which could not be moved until completion, or destroyed.Patents last for 17.5 years, giving you exclusive rights to exploit you invention.That said, its all business horse shit.The reality is far different.Patents are the playing cards of the big dogs.Most of us lucky enough to have a pot to pee in don't rate in this game.Oh if you happen to have a team of lawyers, smart, idealistic, ethical, willing to put hours, and hours, of probono work in on your behalf, because you have a greater cause, than merely your own greed? But hey, the bad guys are mobsters, hiding behind a corporate logo, and do what mobsters have always done, the cheapest solution.You don't want that route.You completely fuck them with public disclosure. They can't take your toy, and make it one of their game playing pieces, or worse yet, bury it very deep.They hate the light, those monsters.The stakes are high, and the public must win. We are the public of the worldCheers Warren
Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
 
  On Sun, May 13, 2018 at 2:10 AM, [email protected] [EVGRAY]<[email protected]> wrote:       


Hi David / Popps?

hard to understand the printed word sometimes

Personally I think if you have a looping motor-generator you should immediately open source it, not only for your own safety, but also for the rest of the world to copy and eventually  manufacture worldwide.

My opinion...

Also patents are useless waste of money going to lawyers so why care if someone patents your creation and invention?

Your creation most probably based largely on others creations and inventions too so who cares eh.

ciaoKone






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This is to certify Jonathan is not a bot, a troll , or a sex doll !  

He is a real inventive person and he saw my zero watt motor working ....

so HE KNOWS ....( I am real too and I am not a meat Popsicle ! )


There are OTHERS here that had looped and obtained over-unity with all its side effects , and others that had confirmed tantra is required to the ones doing the looping ! before they end in a Philadelphia experiment time space anomaly event and end in another dimension ( usually that means  hell for the fornicators & sinners ) and heaven for initiates .

Thanks! 

(H) 

  



 

---In [email protected], <einspace2005@...> wrote :

 Hi David, this is what you said to kone: 

 "Hi Kone

With all respect to you and other honest researchers,i will disclose
to our members only one to one and one setup for me one for him!
Now A.C.H Jensen from Norway want to visit me for one setup..
After that will see who will be the next!

popp" 

 I must misunderstood your message, "i will disclose
to our members only one to one and one setup for me one for him!"  What you mean with that? Everybody here is a member of EVGRAY, or you mean another group? "one to one and one setup for me one for him" isn't that means I give you something and you give something? Like a trade? Am I missing something here?  James: I'm not a troll! Ask Hector if you doubt it. It seems I just misunderstood his message.
 

 einspace

Other method, design in every possible combination & make schematics  video and instruction and copyright the stuff ,,,,,, use every reference to public stuff already published ,,,,,

do it before you are interfered by the universal demons within this circus ! 

and include that tantra is required .... so you are not murdered by the guardians of the Vrill energy ...

YEP !  I had done that already , in pieces , the problem is people don"t read ,
some doing exactly what i had descripted had obtained Over-unity and looping the first day ... and yes some lurk here , looking , knowing i had spilled the secrets in everyone face , I am talking about electronic technicians , engineers and University Doctors , not dumb gullible guys 

some of their reactions were , "If this is true then the rest was true" .....

conspiracy and all the heavy shit pack that comes with free energy secret acquisition... 

well ask Brian Prater  he lived the conspiracy part and may say he somewhat survived it ...


(H) 

---In [email protected], <schoonersolsticemoon@...> wrote :

 David I basically concur with Doug regarding protecting your device against those who would seek to create an exclusive monopoly to manufacture , or simply control the distribution of such a device to the World.
 Decades ago, I got an American patent.
 It was an interesting experience, as I was using a very young, but absolutely brilliant lawyer, recomended by a classmate of his at law school. We were all pretty much the same age.
 The field he had chosen was patent law.
 He had already graduated top of his class in engineering, and then went on to do the same thing in law school.
 It was not just a client/ professional relationship. It was delving into matters far deeper than one normally would go in business.
 The whole psychology and ethics of the conceptual basis of patents was on the table. With that, my own reasons were simply public recognition, a smelly pissing post, that I had raised my leg at, while John Dykstra in Hollywood was flaunting his Dystraflex coming out of a film called Starwars. His was a gimmick to use optical printing, a post production complicated system.
 I just, at exactly the same time, had shot a science fiction film called Starship Invasions, in Canada, for 1/20th the budget using something I invented which allowed everything to be shot live on locationwithout any matt lines that optical printing produced. My device was a good trick, and equally ingenious.
 I wanted to display my piss, and vinagar.
 Oh, I got a US patent all right.
 The film's producers were gleeful.
 They even bought, and built, a beautiful white stucco and tile roofed studio, in old Hollywood, just for me.
 I had to break their hearts, because in Toronto, I had a half built ship sitting on the dock which could not be moved until completion, or destroyed.
 Patents last for 17.5 years, giving you exclusive rights to exploit you invention.
 That said, its all business horse shit.
 The reality is far different.
 Patents are the playing cards of the big dogs.
 Most of us lucky enough to have a pot to pee in don't rate in this game.
 Oh if you happen to have a team of lawyers, smart, idealistic, ethical, willing to put hours, and hours, of probono work in on your behalf, because you have a greater cause, than merely your own greed? But hey, the bad guys are mobsters, hiding behind a corporate logo, and do what mobsters have always done, the cheapest solution.
 You don't want that route.
 You completely fuck them with public disclosure. They can't take your toy, and make it one of their game playing pieces, or worse yet, bury it very deep.
 They hate the light, those monsters.
 The stakes are high, and the public must win. We are the public of the world
 Cheers Warren
 
 Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android https://go.onelink.me/107872968?pid=InProduct&c=Global_Internal_YGrowth_AndroidEmailSig__AndroidUsers&af_wl=ym&af_sub1=Internal&af_sub2=Global_YGrowth&af_sub3=EmailSignature
 
 On Sun, May 13, 2018 at 2:10 AM, konehead@... [EVGRAY]
 <[email protected]> wrote:

   
 Hi David / Popps?
 hard to understand the printed word sometimes
 Personally I think if you have a looping motor-generator you should immediately open source it, not only for your own safety, but also for the rest of the world to copy and eventually  manufacture worldwide.
 My opinion...
 Also patents are useless waste of money going to lawyers so why care if someone patents your creation and invention?
 Your creation most probably based largely on others creations and inventions too so who cares eh.
 ciaoKone

George,  

 You speak the truth, I have seen the same thing happen to a family member.
 What was your patent for?
 

 Although I think Popps should be rewarded for his hard work and should be able to capatalize on this,
 the patent will only be used against him and the device. Once patented can be claimed as national security then the idea is legaly buried.  Or some other clown will change something and patent it like that prick from shape power.

 

 Popps is best off to open source and be the go to guy who licenses people to use his design.  As the original inventor the trademark is worth much more as people want authenticity, ie a real Apple vs a hackintosh.
 

 Branding is much more lucrative than patenting, just ask Richard Branson.

Ole and Popps,

I have held worldwide patents and they sent me broke prosecuting them in different languages and trying to block the big pirates.  The big companies just go ahead and take over your work and the legal costs to fight them is too big and you end up going broke.

Their legal team knows every trick in the book to delay proceedings and add to your costs.

You cannot beat the people who have lots of money.

Also they only have to change one little thing and they can make a new patent.

George
 

    On Sunday, 13 May 2018, 9:54:30 pm AEST, [email protected] [EVGRAY] <[email protected]> wrote:  
 
     
For keeping it a proprietary secret you could go to a public notary to have the envelope sealed and registered. This would be like making a secret patent. The envelope is then only to be opened as proof of prior art in a court of law.

For making it public to prevent it from ever being patented in my country it was possible to fax a patent application to the patent authority. Perhaps an email will do today. You got back a receipt with some reference number. Then if not paying the bill a patent would not be issued. But the patent application would still be publicized and thus prevented anyone from patenting the idea as it wasn't new anymore. This was found out by a Danish inventor that didn't pay the bill. Now this way can be used to make a patent and waiting to pay for up to one year I think. If the inventor can't sell the idea in that year the idea may not have any market value and thus isn't worth patenting anyway.

The invention is made public and even being publicized by the patent authorities. But publicizing it in a very small newspaper with few readers will do exactly the same thing to make it prior art for everybody else. My guess is that even publicizing in an internet forum will do the same thing as this will work as documentation for prior art. Then if someone tries to stop somebody from manufacturing by using a patent just show that the idea was from that forum and prior art to a later patent that then is invalidated. Hector can do that if he can prove prior art to the patent.

Putting the description in a notarized closed envelope is more for keeping it a secret while being able to claim prior art in a court. This doesn't prevent others from patenting until having a court invalidate the patent. As it was a secret other people couldn't know the idea was prior art.

Here in DK we got secret patents probably for being able to buy military equipment from the US. Breaking a secret patent can put you in jail according to that law. On the other hand in a democracy you can't be put in jail for breaking something that is kept secret. You have to be able to know beforehand if you're violating a protected idea. Thus I wonder what happens if that law is ever being used in a court of law. The inventor can have spent a fortune in time and money to invent something without knowing it being patented in secret. Thus the inventor can claim compensation.

Regards
Ole



---In [email protected], <lutzliebers@...> wrote :

Hi David,
I am entering the discussion right now, not knowing what it wasabout, before.


 >>> I dont want tomorrow be forced to buy my machine from
 some idiot who

 >>> will patented my hard work!! 

 I wonder how a patent office can issue a patent on a matter thatviolates the
laws of thermodynamics according to school science.

In either case I recommend to claim your "right based on prior use".
For this purpose do the following:
- summarize your invention in the shape of an affidavit of truth
- find three witnesses to autograph it one below the other, in themiddle under
  the text. Your signature should be given to the right of that. Donot use the left
  hand column, since it is reserved for the debtor.
- use sealing wax to seal the envelope (the "vessel" in uniformcommercial or
  maritime law) with your right thumb
- send the doc to your place as a registered letter with replyadvice of delivery
- never open it except in front of a patent court judge 

This precautionary measure enables you to use or exploit yourinvention up to 
the end of your days without problems, no matter who is registering.

----

To enter thediscussion about the conditions to participate in your alleged 
OU device, let me know please if you give out blueprints forreplication.
I am a retired electronic engineer and run my privatemechanical shop. 
http://www.schiefs.com/mystuff/werkstatt1.JPG
In return, I can make you mechanical parts.

Regards
lutzliebers@...



Am 13.05.2018 um 07:37 schrieb davidjones binacca@... [EVGRAY]:


 
Yes my friend
It means exactly that but in your previous email youinterpreted my
words too much freely as you like .
I said i will disclosure my machine for anyone who want tocome here-one on one.
He will be here as much as necessary to be,one machine ofyour power
choice for you one for me..at least 10 kw or more!
We will make non-disclosure agreement and do not tell methat my rule
is not fair..i am not stupid.
I dont want tomorrow be forced to buy my machine from someidiot who
will patented my hard work!! Ask Hector about hisrotoverter..Now is
patented from unknown "INVENTOR"!!!
That is!!
If you dont want this condition-that is your problem
I know you are honest researcher and i have watched youvideos!
Before you post think twice and than post!

On 5/13/18, Jonathan Rivera einspace2005@...[EVGRAY]
<[email protected]> wrote:
> Hi David, this is what you said to kone:
>
> "Hi Kone
>
> With all respect to you and other honestresearchers,i will disclose
> to our members only one to one and one setup for meone for him!
> Now A.C.H Jensen from Norway want to visit me for onesetup..
> After that will see who will be the next!
>
> popp"
>
> I must misunderstood your message, "i will disclose
> to our members only one to one and one setup for meone for him!" What you
> mean with that? Everybody here is a member of EVGRAY,or you mean another
> group? "one to one and one setup for me one for him"isn't that means I
> give you something and you give something? Like atrade? Am I missing
> something here?
> James: I'm not a troll! Ask Hector if you doubt it.It seems I just
> misunderstood his message.
>
> einspace
>

That would permanently give him a history as developer .that might be hard
to egnore in court. And stamp a time frame of history .
On May 14, 2018 1:08 PM, "[email protected] [EVGRAY]" <
[email protected]> wrote:

>
>
> George,
>
> You speak the truth, I have seen the same thing happen to a family member.
> What was your patent for?
>
> Although I think Popps should be rewarded for his hard work and should be
> able to capatalize on this,
> the patent will only be used against him and the device. Once patented can
> be claimed as national security then the idea is legaly buried.  Or some
> other clown will change something and patent it like that prick from shape
> power.
>
> Popps is best off to open source and be the go to guy who licenses people
> to use his design.  As the original inventor the trademark is worth much
> more as people want authenticity, ie a real Apple vs a hackintosh.
>
> Branding is much more lucrative than patenting, just ask Richard Branson.
> 
>

Hi Kone and others..

I never said that i want patent my machine.
I DONT WANT SOME SMART ASS TO PATENT MY WORK..
I just want some respect under  my conditions..that`s all!!
My machine .my hard work,my condition  is it too much?
I am not obligated to any smart ass to apologize what i know!!!
Hector know my  feelings..
I will call kone to come to my place   because i  RESPECT HIM!!!
Waren is also good guy!!
Please for patient...!!

popps

On 5/14/18, James Glinski [email protected] [EVGRAY]
<[email protected]> wrote:
> That would permanently give him a history as developer .that might be hard
> to egnore in court. And stamp a time frame of history .
> On May 14, 2018 1:08 PM, "[email protected] [EVGRAY]" <
> [email protected]> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> George,
>>
>> You speak the truth, I have seen the same thing happen to a family
>> member..
>> What was your patent for?
>>
>> Although I think Popps should be rewarded for his hard work and should be
>> able to capatalize on this,
>> the patent will only be used against him and the device. Once patented
>> can
>> be claimed as national security then the idea is legaly buried.  Or some
>> other clown will change something and patent it like that prick from
>> shape
>> power.
>>
>> Popps is best off to open source and be the go to guy who licenses people
>> to use his design.  As the original inventor the trademark is worth much
>> more as people want authenticity, ie a real Apple vs a hackintosh.
>>
>> Branding is much more lucrative than patenting, just ask Richard Branson.
>>
>>
>

Hi Mick,

"Once patented can be claimed as national security then the idea is legaly buried."
This can be circumvented by patenting in two different countries at the same time. Then the secret is broken and the patent can't be a secret patent. Patent laws differ for different countries though.

Looking at the great number of free energy patent applications not been given a patent it probably will be hard to even get a patent on such technology. Of course the idea is made public by just making the patent application. The patent authorities think it breaks the second law of thermodynamics even though this empirical law only applies for a closed system. Solar cells solar heaters windmills and wind turbines all work as open systems. I don't know if any of these are patented. People trying to keep it secret seems to not live long if not keeping it very secret by not telling public about the secret. Inventors setting a date for revealing their device seems to die from some accident so be careful.

There are lost of pitfalls for inventors even when having a patent. If selling patent to a manufacturing company making a product that is outperformed by the patent idea they may choose not to manufacture the patent idea because all their machines may not be useful for the new product while the machines had cost a fortune. They then chose to buy the patent to prevent their competitors from making the new product and have their machines pay back the investment.

Another way for an inventor is to start manufacturing him-/herself or have the device custom made by some manufacturer. This way the idea could be kept secret for a while without a patent to make the idea public knowledge. It all depends on what is wanted.

Regards
Ole
 

---In [email protected], <mkjekyll@...> wrote :

 George,  

 You speak the truth, I have seen the same thing happen to a family member.
 What was your patent for?
 

 Although I think Popps should be rewarded for his hard work and should be able to capatalize on this,
 the patent will only be used against him and the device. Once patented can be claimed as national security then the idea is legaly buried.  Or some other clown will change something and patent it like that prick from shape power.

 

 Popps is best off to open source and be the go to guy who licenses people to use his design.  As the original inventor the trademark is worth much more as people want authenticity, ie a real Apple vs a hackintosh.
 

 Branding is much more lucrative than patenting, just ask Richard Branson.

Mick,

My patents were for an electronic line fault detection system for tennis and for different types of tennis balls.  My company was called LIVE TENNIS PTY LTD because of the live electronic lines and live tennis balls.

My technology had many other uses and could detect the slightest fault starting to arise in rail lines while travelling at high speed and attached to the bottom of high speed trains at that time.
It could be used for security around swimming pools and could detect the difference between a child, an adult, an animal or a bird, and sound an alarm and do other things in relation to the danger of a child drowning.

It could be used in the game of cricket to show if the bails were removed from the stumps before the batsman's bat or foot was back in the crease, and it could detect a no-ball when the bowler stepped over the mark with his foot while bowling.

It could also be used in football to show if a try or goal was scored or the ball hit the boundary line etc.

It could be used in the banks as a security device.

It could also be used in metal detectors looking for gold and some of my circuitry is still being used by others for that and I don't have the money to stop them.

The list of uses is long so I won't go on.

I got the idea to shut John McEnroe up and finally applied in 1987 to the patent office.

I had 2 engineer shareholders who I appointed as directors of my company who were traitors and while doing some R&D at the university they passed my information to some friends in South Australia and they ran to the patent office before I got the results of my experiments.

They poured millions of dollars into their project and were always one step ahead of me.

I eventually had to make new patents to overcome them; and my first system involved a ball with ferrite or other metallic particles in it. I then had to come up with a system of detecting a normal tennis ball just by its electronic signature in the bounce alone and to distinguish it from the feet of the players and their racquets.

So I perfected it and it didn't require an umpire as the scores went up automatically, but then I ran out of money trying to pay for the patents each year etc.

They installed a full system in the Birdswood Tennis Resort in Western Australia and used it every year for 3 years, and I decided to block them through the court system and then the Tennis world decided that they could not use something involved in the court system and now we have the video line detector, which is not 100% accurate.  My system could delineate like a knife edge.

I had created the longest straight magnetic lines ever.

So that was the end of that.

I don't think anyone who has anything valuable should go near a patent office as all you do is spill your guts to those with the money who will take your property.

Here is a link to some info on my patents: WO1994011070A1 - Electronic tennis ball detection system - Google Patents

usa patent for george gray electronic line detector for tennis - Google Search

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    On Tuesday, 15 May 2018, 4:08:19 am AEST, [email protected] [EVGRAY] <[email protected]> wrote:  

 
     
George, 

You speak the truth, I have seen the same thing happen to a family member.What was your patent for?
Although I think Popps should be rewarded for his hard work and should be able to capatalize on this,the patent will only be used against him and the device. Once patented can be claimed as national security then the idea is legaly buried.  Or some other clown will change something and patent it like that prick from shape power.

Popps is best off to open source and be the go to guy who licenses people to use his design.  As the original inventor the trademark is worth much more as people want authenticity, ie a real Apple vs a hackintosh.
Branding is much more lucrative than patenting, just ask Richard Branson.

Hi Popps
 thanks for the respect and invitation to view your looping generator.
 I will soon be back in Minsk Belarus with my wife, we are leaving the USA May 21 to go back there to her home and will be there until probably august...then we return again to USA in late summer is the plan.
 I don't think that we will have the time or money to travel to your country to view the generator
  but would highly recommend HD Zeddies to have a look - he is engineer who works in a free energy lab in Sontheim Germany, and I met him and worked with him last summer there.
 He is member of this board, his email is this:
 [email protected]

Very impressive patent George!


Sorry you went through all that bad faith stupidity with others, always
a let down.


On 5/15/2018 7:09 AM, george gray [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>  
> Mick,
>
> My patents were for an electronic line fault detection system for
> tennis and for different types of tennis balls.  My company was called
> LIVE TENNIS PTY LTD because of the live electronic lines and live
> tennis balls.
>
> My technology had many other uses and could detect the slightest fault
> starting to arise in rail lines while travelling at high speed and
> attached to the bottom of high speed trains at that time.
>
> It could be used for security around swimming pools and could detect
> the difference between a child, an adult, an animal or a bird, and
> sound an alarm and do other things in relation to the danger of a
> child drowning.
>
> It could be used in the game of cricket to show if the bails were
> removed from the stumps before the batsman's bat or foot was back in
> the crease, and it could detect a no-ball when the bowler stepped over
> the mark with his foot while bowling.
>
> It could also be used in football to show if a try or goal was scored
> or the ball hit the boundary line etc.
>
> It could be used in the banks as a security device.
>
> It could also be used in metal detectors looking for gold and some of
> my circuitry is still being used by others for that and I don't have
> the money to stop them.
>
> The list of uses is long so I won't go on.
>
> I got the idea to shut John McEnroe up and finally applied in 1987 to
> the patent office.
>
> I had 2 engineer shareholders who I appointed as directors of my
> company who were traitors and while doing some R&D at the university
> they passed my information to some friends in South Australia and they
> ran to the patent office before I got the results of my experiments.
>
> They poured millions of dollars into their project and were always one
> step ahead of me.
>
> I eventually had to make new patents to overcome them; and my first
> system involved a ball with ferrite or other metallic particles in it.
> I then had to come up with a system of detecting a normal tennis ball
> just by its electronic signature in the bounce alone and to
> distinguish it from the feet of the players and their racquets.
>
> So I perfected it and it didn't require an umpire as the scores went
> up automatically, but then I ran out of money trying to pay for the
> patents each year etc.
>
> They installed a full system in the Birdswood Tennis Resort in Western
> Australia and used it every year for 3 years, and I decided to block
> them through the court system and then the Tennis world decided that
> they could not use something involved in the court system and now we
> have the video line detector, which is not 100% accurate.  My system
> could delineate like a knife edge.
>
> I had created the longest straight magnetic lines ever.
>
> So that was the end of that.
>
> I don't think anyone who has anything valuable should go near a patent
> office as all you do is spill your guts to those with the money who
> will take your property.
>
> Here is a link to some info on my patents: WO1994011070A1 - Electronic
> tennis ball detection system - Google Patents
> <https://patents.google.com/patent/WO1994011070A1/en>
>
> usa patent for george gray electronic line detector for tennis -
> Google Search
> <https://www.google.com.au/search?source=hp&ei=sNv6WviPFcmZ8QW036joCg&q=usa+patent+for+george+gray+electronic+line+detector+for+tennis&oq=usa+patent+for+george+gray+electronic+line+detector+for+tennis&gs_l=psy-ab.3...4672.34840.0.39052.64.59.0.0.0.0.542.11659.2-27j8j3j2.41.0....0...1c.1.64.psy-ab..23.37.10820.6..0j35i39k1j0i131k1j0i10k1j0i13k1j0i22i30k1j33i22i29i30k1j33i160k1j33i21k1.218.Dc-0INx7HSQ>
>
>
> 	
>
>
>     usa patent for george gray electronic line detector for tennis -
>     Google ...
>
> <https://www.google.com.au/search?source=hp&ei=sNv6WviPFcmZ8QW036joCg&q=usa+patent+for+george+gray+electronic+line+detector+for+tennis&oq=usa+patent+for+george+gray+electronic+line+detector+for+tennis&gs_l=psy-ab.3...4672.34840.0.39052.64.59.0.0.0.0.542.11659.2-27j8j3j2.41.0....0...1c.1.64.psy-ab..23.37.10820.6..0j35i39k1j0i131k1j0i10k1j0i13k1j0i22i30k1j33i22i29i30k1j33i160k1j33i21k1.218.Dc-0INx7HSQ>
>
>
>
> 	
>
>
>     WO1994011070A1 - Electronic tennis ball detection system - Goog...
>
> A method of identifying the type and impact location of an object
> striking a surface, the method comprising the ...
>
> <https://patents.google.com/patent/WO1994011070A1/en>
>
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, 15 May 2018, 4:08:19 am AEST, [email protected] [EVGRAY]
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
>  
>
> George, 
>
>
> You speak the truth, I have seen the same thing happen to a family member.
> What was your patent for?
>
> Although I think Popps should be rewarded for his hard work and should
> be able to capatalize on this,
> the patent will only be used against him and the device. Once patented
> can be claimed as national security then the idea is legaly buried. 
> Or some other clown will change something and patent it like that
> prick from shape power.
>
> Popps is best off to open source and be the go to guy who licenses
> people to use his design.  As the original inventor the trademark is
> worth much more as people want authenticity, ie a real Apple vs a
> hackintosh.
>
> Branding is much more lucrative than patenting, just ask Richard Branson.
>

Interesting .... its worth billions but on other application ,Its  like using gold plating to plate a turd ! no one will buy it because its full of shit ! 

yet the gold is there ! 

(H) 

 

---In [email protected], <canowindracd@...> wrote :

 Mick,
 
 My patents were for an electronic line fault detection system for tennis and for different types of tennis balls.  My company was called LIVE TENNIS PTY LTD because of the live electronic lines and live tennis balls.
 
My technology had many other uses and could detect the slightest fault starting to arise in rail lines while travelling at high speed and attached to the bottom of high speed trains at that time.

 
 It could be used for security around swimming pools and could detect the difference between a child, an adult, an animal or a bird, and sound an alarm and do other things in relation to the danger of a child drowning.
 
 It could be used in the game of cricket to show if the bails were removed from the stumps before the batsman's bat or foot was back in the crease, and it could detect a no-ball when the bowler stepped over the mark with his foot while bowling.
 
It could also be used in football to show if a try or goal was scored or the ball hit the boundary line etc.


 
It could be used in the banks as a security device.




 
 It could also be used in metal detectors looking for gold and some of my circuitry is still being used by others for that and I don't have the money to stop them.
 
The list of uses is long so I won't go on.






 
I got the idea to shut John McEnroe up and finally applied in 1987 to the patent office.


 
 I had 2 engineer shareholders who I appointed as directors of my company who were traitors and while doing some R&D at the university they passed my information to some friends in South Australia and they ran to the patent office before I got the results of my experiments.
 
 They poured millions of dollars into their project and were always one step ahead of me.
 
 I eventually had to make new patents to overcome them; and my first system involved a ball with ferrite or other metallic particles in it. I then had to come up with a system of detecting a normal tennis ball just by its electronic signature in the bounce alone and to distinguish it from the feet of the players and their racquets.
 
So I perfected it and it didn't require an umpire as the scores went up automatically, but then I ran out of money trying to pay for the patents each year etc.




 
 They installed a full system in the Birdswood Tennis Resort in Western Australia and used it every year for 3 years, and I decided to block them through the court system and then the Tennis world decided that they could not use something involved in the court system and now we have the video line detector, which is not 100% accurate.  My system could delineate like a knife edge.
 
I had created the longest straight magnetic lines ever.


 
 So that was the end of that.
 
 I don't think anyone who has anything valuable should go near a patent office as all you do is spill your guts to those with the money who will take your property.
 
 Here is a link to some info on my patents: WO1994011070A1 - Electronic tennis ball detection system - Google Patents https://patents.google.com/patent/WO1994011070A1/en
 
usa patent for george gray electronic line detector for tennis - Google Search https://www.google.com.au/search?source=hp&ei=sNv6WviPFcmZ8QW036joCg&q=usa+patent+for+george+gray+electronic+line+detector+for+tennis&oq=usa+patent+for+george+gray+electronic+line+detector+for+tennis&gs_l=psy-ab.3...4672.34840.0.39052.64.59.0.0.0.0.542.11659.2-27j8j3j2.41.0....0...1c.1.64.psy-ab..23.37.10820.6..0j35i39k1j0i131k1j0i10k1j0i13k1j0i22i30k1j33i22i29i30k1j33i160k1j33i21k1.218.Dc-0INx7HSQ
 

 usa patent for george gray electronic line detector for tennis - Google ... https://www.google.com.au/search?source=hp&ei=sNv6WviPFcmZ8QW036joCg&q=usa+patent+for+george+gray+electronic+line+detector+for+tennis&oq=usa+patent+for+george+gray+electronic+line+detector+for+tennis&gs_l=psy-ab.3...4672.34840.0.39052.64.59.0.0.0.0.542.11659.2-27j8j3j2.41.0....0...1c.1.64.psy-ab..23.37.10820.6..0j35i39k1j0i131k1j0i10k1j0i13k1j0i22i30k1j33i22i29i30k1j33i160k1j33i21k1.218.Dc-0INx7HSQ
 

 



 

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 On Tuesday, 15 May 2018, 4:08:19 am AEST, mkjekyll@... [EVGRAY] <[email protected]> wrote: 
 


 

   George, 
 

 You speak the truth, I have seen the same thing happen to a family member.
 What was your patent for?
 

 Although I think Popps should be rewarded for his hard work and should be able to capatalize on this,
 the patent will only be used against him and the device. Once patented can be claimed as national security then the idea is legaly buried.  Or some other clown will change something and patent it like that prick from shape power.

 

 Popps is best off to open source and be the go to guy who licenses people to use his design.  As the original inventor the trademark is worth much more as people want authenticity, ie a real Apple vs a hackintosh.
 

 Branding is much more lucrative than patenting, just ask Richard Branson.

I might have created the "dildoverter" trademark 

more bang less watts ! for your dollar ! 

(H)

Hector, 

 Can you reccomend a VFD that has additional phase controls, so one does not need to move the pickups each time when experimenting?

The load determines the frequency change phase shift so in measuring exact node point to place pick up sensors you need to have a slide matching buss !

changing VFD will not help you with that ...


(H) 
 

---In [email protected], <mkjekyll@...> wrote :

 Hector, 

 Can you reccomend a VFD that has additional phase controls, so one does not need to move the pickups each time when experimenting?