Re: [EVGRAY] Mystery machine

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For keeping it a proprietary secret you could go to a public notary to have the envelope sealed and registered. This would be like making a secret patent. The envelope is then only to be opened as proof of prior art in a court of law.

For making it public to prevent it from ever being patented in my country it was possible to fax a patent application to the patent authority. Perhaps an email will do today. You got back a receipt with some reference number. Then if not paying the bill a patent would not be issued. But the patent application would still be publicized and thus prevented anyone from patenting the idea as it wasn't new anymore. This was found out by a Danish inventor that didn't pay the bill. Now this way can be used to make a patent and waiting to pay for up to one year I think. If the inventor can't sell the idea in that year the idea may not have any market value and thus isn't worth patenting anyway.

The invention is made public and even being publicized by the patent authorities. But publicizing it in a very small newspaper with few readers will do exactly the same thing to make it prior art for everybody else. My guess is that even publicizing in an internet forum will do the same thing as this will work as documentation for prior art. Then if someone tries to stop somebody from manufacturing by using a patent just show that the idea was from that forum and prior art to a later patent that then is invalidated. Hector can do that if he can prove prior art to the patent.

Putting the description in a notarized closed envelope is more for keeping it a secret while being able to claim prior art in a court. This doesn't prevent others from patenting until having a court invalidate the patent. As it was a secret other people couldn't know the idea was prior art.

Here in DK we got secret patents probably for being able to buy military equipment from the US. Breaking a secret patent can put you in jail according to that law. On the other hand in a democracy you can't be put in jail for breaking something that is kept secret. You have to be able to know beforehand if you're violating a protected idea. Thus I wonder what happens if that law is ever being used in a court of law. The inventor can have spent a fortune in time and money to invent something without knowing it being patented in secret. Thus the inventor can claim compensation.

Regards
Ole
 

---In [email protected], <lutzliebers@...> wrote :

 Hi David,
 I am entering the discussion right now, not knowing what it was about, before.
 
 >>> I dont want tomorrow be forced to buy my machine from some idiot who
 >>> will patented my hard work!! 
 I wonder how a patent office can issue a patent on a matter that violates the
 laws of thermodynamics according to school science.
 
 In either case I recommend to claim your "right based on prior use". 
 For this purpose do the following:
 - summarize your invention in the shape of an affidavit of truth
 - find three witnesses to autograph it one below the other, in the middle under
   the text. Your signature should be given to the right of that. Do not use the left
   hand column, since it is reserved for the debtor.
 - use sealing wax to seal the envelope (the "vessel" in uniform commercial or
   maritime law) with your right thumb
 - send the doc to your place as a registered letter with reply advice of delivery
 - never open it except in front of a patent court judge 
 
 This precautionary measure enables you to use or exploit your invention up to 
 the end of your days without problems, no matter who is registering.
 
 ----
 
 To enter the discussion about the conditions to participate in your alleged 
 OU device, let me know please if you give out blueprints for replication.
 I am a retired electronic engineer and run my private mechanical shop. 
 http://www.schiefs.com/mystuff/werkstatt1.JPG http://www.schiefs.com/mystuff/werkstatt1.JPG
 In return, I can make you mechanical parts.
 
 Regards
 lutzliebers@... mailto:lutzliebers@...
 
 
 
 Am 13.05.2018 um 07:37 schrieb david jones binacca@... mailto:binacca@... [EVGRAY]:

   Yes my friend
 It means exactly that but in your previous email you interpreted my
 words too much freely as you like .
 I said i will disclosure my machine for anyone who want to come here-one on one.
 He will be here as much as necessary to be,one machine of your power
 choice for you one for me..at least 10 kw or more!
 We will make non-disclosure agreement and do not tell me that my rule
 is not fair..i am not stupid.
 I dont want tomorrow be forced to buy my machine from some idiot who
 will patented my hard work!! Ask Hector about his rotoverter..Now is
 patented from unknown "INVENTOR"!!!
 That is!!
 If you dont want this condition-that is your problem
 I know you are honest researcher and i have watched you videos!
 Before you post think twice and than post!
 
 On 5/13/18, Jonathan Rivera einspace2005@... mailto:einspace2005@... [EVGRAY]
 <[email protected]> mailto:[email protected] wrote:
 > Hi David, this is what you said to kone:
 >
 > "Hi Kone
 >
 > With all respect to you and other honest researchers,i will disclose
 > to our members only one to one and one setup for me one for him!
 > Now A.C.H Jensen from Norway want to visit me for one setup..
 > After that will see who will be the next!
 >
 > popp"
 >
 > I must misunderstood your message, "i will disclose
 > to our members only one to one and one setup for me one for him!" What you
 > mean with that? Everybody here is a member of EVGRAY, or you mean another
 > group? "one to one and one setup for me one for him" isn't that means I
 > give you something and you give something? Like a trade? Am I missing
 > something here?
 > James: I'm not a troll! Ask Hector if you doubt it. It seems I just
 > misunderstood his message.
 >
 > einspace
 >