? using LNA for front end of PA

Ole,

What would be the negative issues trying to attach a FET current buffer
to an LNA in order to make a few watt wideband RF amplifier?

As I am an audio guy I am paralleling this to an audio amp seems simple
a voltage gain stage and then a current gain or buffer stage.

There are plenty of cheap LNA's that are very wideband like this 
https://www.ebay.com/itm/New-1MHz-2GHz-64dB-Gain-LNA-RF-Broadband-Low-Noise-Amplifier-Module-HF-VHF-UHF/232103825103?hash=item360a774ecf:g:iCQAAOSwgu9ZZEBg

Hector,

Can you explain a co-phaser?  Do you mean a feedforward system?

Removing the feedback loop on SS RF causes all sorts of oscillation issues.

Most SS amp circuits are designed improperly requiring loop feedback.
Tubes at least one can remove the loop add a larger grid stopper and not
run into the more serious problems of solid state as a triode has
natural cathode feedback kind of built in. 


On 3/26/2018 4:45 AM, [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>  
>
> He will also need a phase shifter  in order to mitigate destructive
> feedback if designing an amplifier , that is if you don't want
> destructive feedback on intent to create a ZPE amplification loop ,
> then you need a co-phaser circuit to enhance the condition , RF-RE
> expertise is not gained in a day neither in doctorate degrees , its
> gained at the lab doing heavy R&D ..
>
> (H)
>
>
>
> ---In [email protected], <onielsen@...> wrote :
>
> Hi Mick,
>
> At those frequencies the energy is very radiant. Everything has to be
> made according to RF rules and treated as transmission lines. Else the
> signal doesn't follow the signal path as planned. Any change in
> impedance reflects or splits the signal. Read Ivor Catt on this even
> though he explains it using digital signals. If attaching a current
> buffer everything has to match. I haven't worked on such high
> frequencies. If trying this at least know the theory behind it or have
> the measuring instruments for this frequency range.
>
> This site (http://nov79.com/amr/cont.htm) shows how to make a simple
> current amplifier by using matched bipolar transistors. The upper
> frequency is only limited by the upper frequency of the transistors.
> This can be 40MHz for an audio amplifier. This may cause oscillations
> at the max frequency if not done the correct way.
>
> What about a small 3W broadband power amplifier module:
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/1-1000MHz-3W-RF-Broadband-Power-Amplifier-Module-Radio-Transmission-FM-VHF-/183031453375
> It only goes to 1GHz.
>
> Google search for 'broadband power amplifier module':
> https://www.google.dk/search?source=hp&ei=c8G4Wuv0LIXbwALZxJTQDw&q=broadband+power+amplifier+module&oq=broadband+power+ampli&gs_l=psy-ab.3.2.0l2j0i22i30k1l8.1878.9748.0.22828.21.20.0.1.1.0.104.1822.18j2.20.0....0...1c.1.64.psy-ab..0.21.1820...46j0i46k1j0i10k1.0.jIuIG0_77XA
>
> Or search 'rf power amplifier module'
>
> Regards
> Ole
>
>
> ---In [email protected], <mkjekyll@...> wrote :
>
> Ole,
>
> What would be the negative issues trying to attach a FET current buffer
> to an LNA in order to make a few watt wideband RF amplifier?
>
> As I am an audio guy I am paralleling this to an audio amp seems simple
> a voltage gain stage and then a current gain or buffer stage.
>
> There are plenty of cheap LNA's that are very wideband like this 
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/New-1MHz-2GHz-64dB-Gain-LNA-RF-Broadband-Low-Noise-Amplifier-Module-HF-VHF-UHF/232103825103?hash=item360a774ecf:g:iCQAAOSwgu9ZZEBg
>

Ole,

Yes I understand this part about building according to these RF rules,
just wondering if the theory is correct or if I am missing something
from my topology.

Thanks for the links, I already bought one of these but before I found
it I was contemplating what I asked you.  I have no idea how they build
an amp that is so wideband, how they come up with the trace lengths to
satisfy VHF to Microwave other than most of it resides on a chip with a
much shorter wavelength than the chip process dimensions.  They still
have to connect to the output device through traces of a certain length,
so how do they choose the trace length besides as short as possible?

I am sure the capacitance of the PCB is also a factor that has to be
taken into account.  Can't just put a huge ground plane on one side like
we do in audio.


On 3/26/2018 3:53 AM, [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>  
>
> Hi Mick,
>
> At those frequencies the energy is very radiant. Everything has to be
> made according to RF rules and treated as transmission lines. Else the
> signal doesn't follow the signal path as planned. Any change in
> impedance reflects or splits the signal. Read Ivor Catt on this even
> though he explains it using digital signals. If attaching a current
> buffer everything has to match. I haven't worked on such high
> frequencies. If trying this at least know the theory behind it or have
> the measuring instruments for this frequency range.
>
> This site (http://nov79.com/amr/cont.htm) shows how to make a simple
> current amplifier by using matched bipolar transistors. The upper
> frequency is only limited by the upper frequency of the transistors.
> This can be 40MHz for an audio amplifier. This may cause oscillations
> at the max frequency if not done the correct way.
>
> What about a small 3W broadband power amplifier module:
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/1-1000MHz-3W-RF-Broadband-Power-Amplifier-Module-Radio-Transmission-FM-VHF-/183031453375
> It only goes to 1GHz.
>
> Google search for 'broadband power amplifier module':
> https://www.google.dk/search?source=hp&ei=c8G4Wuv0LIXbwALZxJTQDw&q=broadband+power+amplifier+module&oq=broadband+power+ampli&gs_l=psy-ab.3.2.0l2j0i22i30k1l8.1878.9748.0.22828.21.20.0.1.1.0.104.1822.18j2.20.0....0...1c.1.64.psy-ab..0.21.1820...46j0i46k1j0i10k1.0.jIuIG0_77XA
>
> Or search 'rf power amplifier module'
>
> Regards
> Ole
>
>
>
> ---In [email protected], <mkjekyll@...> wrote :
>
> Ole,
>
> What would be the negative issues trying to attach a FET current buffer
> to an LNA in order to make a few watt wideband RF amplifier?
>
> As I am an audio guy I am paralleling this to an audio amp seems simple
> a voltage gain stage and then a current gain or buffer stage.
>
> There are plenty of cheap LNA's that are very wideband like this 
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/New-1MHz-2GHz-64dB-Gain-LNA-RF-Broadband-Low-Noise-Amplifier-Module-HF-VHF-UHF/232103825103?hash=item360a774ecf:g:iCQAAOSwgu9ZZEBg
>

Hi Mick,

At those frequencies the energy is very radiant. Everything has to be made according to RF rules and treated as transmission lines. Else the signal doesn't follow the signal path as planned. Any change in impedance reflects or splits the signal. Read Ivor Catt on this even though he explains it using digital signals. If attaching a current buffer everything has to match. I haven't worked on such high frequencies. If trying this at least know the theory behind it or have the measuring instruments for this frequency range.

This site (http://nov79.com/amr/cont.htm http://nov79.com/amr/cont.htm) shows how to make a simple current amplifier by using matched bipolar transistors. The upper frequency is only limited by the upper frequency of the transistors. This can be 40MHz for an audio amplifier. This may cause oscillations at the max frequency if not done the correct way.

What about a small 3W broadband power amplifier module:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/1-1000MHz-3W-RF-Broadband-Power-Amplifier-Module-Radio-Transmission-FM-VHF-/183031453375 https://www.ebay.com/itm/1-1000MHz-3W-RF-Broadband-Power-Amplifier-Module-Radio-Transmission-FM-VHF-/183031453375
It only goes to 1GHz.

Google search for 'broadband power amplifier module':
https://www.google.dk/search?source=hp&ei=c8G4Wuv0LIXbwALZxJTQDw&q=broadband+power+amplifier+module&oq=broadband+power+ampli&gs_l=psy-ab.3.2.0l2j0i22i30k1l8.1878.9748.0.22828.21.20.0.1.1.0.104.1822.18j2.20.0....0...1c.1.64.psy-ab..0.21.1820...46j0i46k1j0i10k1.0.jIuIG0_77XA https://www.google.dk/search?source=hp&ei=c8G4Wuv0LIXbwALZxJTQDw&q=broadband+power+amplifier+module&oq=broadband+power+ampli&gs_l=psy-ab.3.2.0l2j0i22i30k1l8.1878.9748.0.22828.21.20.0.1.1.0.104.1822.18j2.20.0....0...1c.1.64.psy-ab..0.21.1820...46j0i46k1j0i10k1.0.jIuIG0_77XA

Or search 'rf power amplifier module'

Regards
Ole 

---In [email protected], <mkjekyll@...> wrote :

 Ole,
 
 What would be the negative issues trying to attach a FET current buffer
 to an LNA in order to make a few watt wideband RF amplifier?
 
 As I am an audio guy I am paralleling this to an audio amp seems simple
 a voltage gain stage and then a current gain or buffer stage.
 
 There are plenty of cheap LNA's that are very wideband like this 
 https://www.ebay.com/itm/New-1MHz-2GHz-64dB-Gain-LNA-RF-Broadband-Low-Noise-Amplifier-Module-HF-VHF-UHF/232103825103?hash=item360a774ecf:g:iCQAAOSwgu9ZZEBg https://www.ebay.com/itm/New-1MHz-2GHz-64dB-Gain-LNA-RF-Broadband-Low-Noise-Amplifier-Module-HF-VHF-UHF/232103825103?hash=item360a774ecf:g:iCQAAOSwgu9ZZEBg

He will also need a phase shifter  in order to mitigate destructive feedback if designing an amplifier , that is if you don't want destructive feedback on intent to create a ZPE amplification loop , then you need a co-phaser circuit to enhance the condition , RF-RE expertise is not gained in a day neither in doctorate degrees , its gained at the lab doing heavy R&D ..

(H) 

---In [email protected], <onielsen@...> wrote :

 Hi Mick,

At those frequencies the energy is very radiant. Everything has to be made according to RF rules and treated as transmission lines. Else the signal doesn't follow the signal path as planned. Any change in impedance reflects or splits the signal. Read Ivor Catt on this even though he explains it using digital signals. If attaching a current buffer everything has to match. I haven't worked on such high frequencies. If trying this at least know the theory behind it or have the measuring instruments for this frequency range.

This site (http://nov79.com/amr/cont.htm http://nov79.com/amr/cont.htm) shows how to make a simple current amplifier by using matched bipolar transistors. The upper frequency is only limited by the upper frequency of the transistors. This can be 40MHz for an audio amplifier. This may cause oscillations at the max frequency if not done the correct way.

What about a small 3W broadband power amplifier module:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/1-1000MHz-3W-RF-Broadband-Power-Amplifier-Module-Radio-Transmission-FM-VHF-/183031453375 https://www.ebay.com/itm/1-1000MHz-3W-RF-Broadband-Power-Amplifier-Module-Radio-Transmission-FM-VHF-/183031453375
It only goes to 1GHz.

Google search for 'broadband power amplifier module':
https://www.google.dk/search?source=hp&ei=c8G4Wuv0LIXbwALZxJTQDw&q=broadband+power+amplifier+module&oq=broadband+power+ampli&gs_l=psy-ab.3.2.0l2j0i22i30k1l8.1878.9748.0.22828.21.20.0.1.1.0.104.1822.18j2.20.0....0...1c.1.64.psy-ab..0.21.1820...46j0i46k1j0i10k1.0.jIuIG0_77XA https://www.google.dk/search?source=hp&ei=c8G4Wuv0LIXbwALZxJTQDw&q=broadband+power+amplifier+module&oq=broadband+power+ampli&gs_l=psy-ab.3.2.0l2j0i22i30k1l8.1878.9748.0.22828.21.20.0.1.1.0.104.1822.18j2.20.0....0...1c.1.64.psy-ab..0.21.1820...46j0i46k1j0i10k1.0.jIuIG0_77XA

Or search 'rf power amplifier module'

Regards
Ole 

---In [email protected], <mkjekyll@...> wrote :

 Ole,
 
 What would be the negative issues trying to attach a FET current buffer
 to an LNA in order to make a few watt wideband RF amplifier?
 
 As I am an audio guy I am paralleling this to an audio amp seems simple
 a voltage gain stage and then a current gain or buffer stage.
 
 There are plenty of cheap LNA's that are very wideband like this 
 https://www.ebay.com/itm/New-1MHz-2GHz-64dB-Gain-LNA-RF-Broadband-Low-Noise-Amplifier-Module-HF-VHF-UHF/232103825103?hash=item360a774ecf:g:iCQAAOSwgu9ZZEBg https://www.ebay.com/itm/New-1MHz-2GHz-64dB-Gain-LNA-RF-Broadband-Low-Noise-Amplifier-Module-HF-VHF-UHF/232103825103?hash=item360a774ecf:g:iCQAAOSwgu9ZZEBg

Also in RE to AF applications all audio stages become band pass filters to the RE-RF signals the short switching span of the device for RF will increase the overall audio responses but the currents will be a challenge to manage  , current amplification topology is required for the application so the circuits simply don't go up in smoke, Biasing ! expertise is required ( & knowing the limits ) 

else the request will look like bullshit lacking the knowledge required to work in sine wave RF to AF hyper-modulation concepts , this theme is delicate as the applications can be used in MILITARY jamming devices  and most of them are still classified  ( but what the shit )  Russians mastered that years ahead over the Americans  who had fallen behind due to greed and deceit ..
No nation can raise up treating their geniuses as shit .....
that is a fact ....

(H)

chaca chaca music has a melody and a counterpoint rhythm, maybe in PR
there is a music called chonka-chonka I don't know but the music of
Medellin is chaca-chaca mostly in 6/8

So you must mean not a positive feedback but partially off by this
co-phase...

as Miles Davis said 6/8 is funky


On 3/26/2018 9:16 PM, [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>  
>
> there are 2 types of loop a canceling loop and a reinforcing one ...
> canceling haves oppose phase wile reinforcing are cO-pHASED
> synchronized in its frenetic RF chonka-chonka dance !
>
>
>
> (H)
>
>

Hi Mick,

" They still have to connect to the output device through traces of a certain length, so how do they choose the trace length besides as short as possible?"
It's the impedance of the traces that matter. The traces must be made as transmission lines of same impedance. As long as everything is of same impedance the signal continues moving forward. When the impedance changes no matter how far away that's where the signal splits up moving in different directions. Changing the width of a trace will change its impedance and thus distort the signal. Even a 90 degree turn will reflect some of the signal and also make some of it radiate straight ahead.

The following article shows some of the things to consider when designing microstrip transmission lines:
'Evaluating Microstrip with Time Domain Reflectometry'
ftp://140.126.5.158/Public/Basic%20Measurement%20Equipments%20AVI/Educator%20Corner%206.0%20CD/Data/pdf/5968-0007E.pdf ftp://140.126.5.158/Public/Basic%20Measurement%20Equipments%20AVI/Educator%20Corner%206.0%20CD/Data/pdf/5968-0007E.pdf

I have an article somewhere by someone dissecting the coaxial cable of a high speed oscilloscope probe. Such cables for high frequencies use a resistive inner conductor for damping reflections.

PCB layout: http://learnemc.com/pcb-layout http://learnemc.com/pcb-layout
More from this site: http://learnemc.com/emc-tutorials http://learnemc.com/emc-tutorials

Regards
Ole
 

---In [email protected], <mkjekyll@...> wrote :

 Ole,
 Yes I understand this part about building according to these RF rules, just wondering if the theory is correct or if I am missing something from my topology.

 Thanks for the links, I already bought one of these but before I found it I was contemplating what I asked you.  I have no idea how they build an amp that is so wideband, how they come up with the trace lengths to satisfy VHF to Microwave other than most of it resides on a chip with a much shorter wavelength than the chip process dimensions.  They still have to connect to the output device through traces of a certain length, so how do they choose the trace length besides as short as possible?
 I am sure the capacitance of the PCB is also a factor that has to be taken into account.  Can't just put a huge ground plane on one side like we do in audio.

 
 On 3/26/2018 3:53 AM, onielsen@... mailto:onielsen@... [EVGRAY] wrote:

   Hi Mick,
 
 At those frequencies the energy is very radiant. Everything has to be made according to RF rules and treated as transmission lines. Else the signal doesn't follow the signal path as planned. Any change in impedance reflects or splits the signal. Read Ivor Catt on this even though he explains it using digital signals. If attaching a current buffer everything has to match. I haven't worked on such high frequencies. If trying this at least know the theory behind it or have the measuring instruments for this frequency range.
 
 This site (http://nov79.com/amr/cont.htm http://nov79.com/amr/cont.htm) shows how to make a simple current amplifier by using matched bipolar transistors. The upper frequency is only limited by the upper frequency of the transistors. This can be 40MHz for an audio amplifier. This may cause oscillations at the max frequency if not done the correct way.
 
 What about a small 3W broadband power amplifier module:
 https://www.ebay.com/itm/1-1000MHz-3W-RF-Broadband-Power-Amplifier-Module-Radio-Transmission-FM-VHF-/183031453375 https://www.ebay.com/itm/1-1000MHz-3W-RF-Broadband-Power-Amplifier-Module-Radio-Transmission-FM-VHF-/183031453375
 It only goes to 1GHz.
 
 Google search for 'broadband power amplifier module':
 https://www.google.dk/search?source=hp&ei=c8G4Wuv0LIXbwALZxJTQDw&q=broadband+power+amplifier+module&oq=broadband+power+ampli&gs_l=psy-ab.3.2.0l2j0i22i30k1l8.1878.9748.0.22828.21.20.0.1.1.0.104.1822.18j2.20.0....0...1c.1.64.psy-ab..0.21.1820...46j0i46k1j0i10k1.0.jIuIG0_77XA https://www.google.dk/search?source=hp&ei=c8G4Wuv0LIXbwALZxJTQDw&q=broadband+power+amplifier+module&oq=broadband+power+ampli&gs_l=psy-ab.3.2.0l2j0i22i30k1l8.1878.9748.0.22828.21.20.0.1.1.0.104.1822.18j2.20.0....0...1c.1.64.psy-ab..0.21.1820...46j0i46k1j0i10k1.0.jIuIG0_77XA
 
 Or search 'rf power amplifier module'
 
 Regards
 Ole
 
 
 ---In [email protected] mailto:[email protected], <mkjekyll@...> mailto:mkjekyll@... wrote :
 
 Ole,
 
 What would be the negative issues trying to attach a FET current buffer
 to an LNA in order to make a few watt wideband RF amplifier?
 
 As I am an audio guy I am paralleling this to an audio amp seems simple
 a voltage gain stage and then a current gain or buffer stage.
 
 There are plenty of cheap LNA's that are very wideband like this 
 https://www.ebay.com/itm/New-1MHz-2GHz-64dB-Gain-LNA-RF-Broadband-Low-Noise-Amplifier-Module-HF-VHF-UHF/232103825103?hash=item360a774ecf:g:iCQAAOSwgu9ZZEBg https://www.ebay.com/itm/New-1MHz-2GHz-64dB-Gain-LNA-RF-Broadband-Low-Noise-Amplifier-Module-HF-VHF-UHF/232103825103?hash=item360a774ecf:g:iCQAAOSwgu9ZZEBg

there are 2 types of loop a canceling loop and a reinforcing one ... canceling haves oppose phase wile reinforcing are cO-pHASED synchronized in its frenetic RF chonka-chonka dance ! 



(H)

Kone,

Are you serious one can't sneer at a  tranny anymore?

I don't know what happened to the left they used to seem more
progressive with freedom of speech and such and now they have inverted
into nazis who want to lock us up for thought crimes and have all men
cut off their cocks, both sides still suck!

Congrats on getting your wife in the country, what a challenge, I hope
she finds it comfortable after overcoming the dysphoria.

I can't deny I am an American as we have built consumerism to a perfect
science, not that all of that is good, but I love the fact I can click a
button and a day later a truck brings me almost anything I want.  Also I
like having a nice car  and it not costing the price of a house.  Most
other places Jap cars are insanely expensive.  Living in another country
for awhile can make one miss stupid stuff like this.

In the 6/8 I was referring to what I call rhythmic counterpoint (not
sure what the right musical term is) so with a funky backbeat going it's
just like you said.

Hey this is straight doupletime 4/4 but pretty fucking cool anyways as
it's still funky with the synchopation

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xH-_9cwdLug



On 3/27/2018 8:28 AM, [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>  
>
> Hi Mick and Hector
>
> Perhaps "cphase" is looping relation\ship between two rhythyjm that
> synch up on "1"  such as 6/8 vs 11/8?? and so there will be certain
> time signatures that reinforce, not cancel over the overlapping cycles?
>
> Or perhaps two overlapping cycles never synching up on 1?
>
> Finding thiese overlapping reinforcing cycles part of the big mystery
> and can only be fournd on bench according to particular systems and
> peculiarities?
>
> (whatever just thinking)
>
> Made it back to USA OK with wife! Hooray but to wife have to ease her
> into new culture,...
>
> For example we see man in womans dress in store, and my wife is in
> shock - in Belarus he/she/they cross dresser would be beat up and
> kicked to shit on ground....that's what happens there if you are man
> and stupid enough to wak around in womans dress!
>
> Here, if you even sneer, you can be charged with hate crime, and go to
> jail to be raped by inmates...(that will teach you eh)
>
> ciiaoKone
>
>
>

Hi Mick and Hector
 Perhaps "cphase" is looping relation\ship between two rhythyjm that synch up on "1"  such as 6/8 vs 11/8?? and so there will be certain time signatures that reinforce, not cancel over the overlapping cycles?
 Or perhaps two overlapping cycles never synching up on 1?
 Finding thiese overlapping reinforcing cycles part of the big mystery and can only be fournd on bench according to particular systems and peculiarities?
 (whatever just thinking)
 Made it back to USA OK with wife! Hooray but to wife have to ease her into new culture,...
 For example we see man in womans dress in store, and my wife is in shock - in Belarus he/she/they cross dresser would be beat up and kicked to shit on ground....that's what happens there if you are man and stupid enough to wak around in womans dress! 
 Here, if you even sneer, you can be charged with hate crime, and go to jail to be raped by inmates...(that will teach you eh)
 ciiaoKone

Hi DougWelcome back, and welcome to North America to your wife.Parts of this continent are relaxed about their gender issues, other parts, well, they are still bothered, and befuddled.Keep us updated on how you are settling in.Cheers to you bothWarren
Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
 
  On Tue, Mar 27, 2018 at 11:28 AM, [email protected] [EVGRAY]<[email protected]> wrote:       


Hi Mick and Hector

Perhaps "cphase" is looping relation\ship between two rhythyjm that synch up on "1"  such as 6/8 vs 11/8?? and so there will be certain time signatures that reinforce, not cancel over the overlapping cycles?

Or perhaps two overlapping cycles never synching up on 1?

Finding thiese overlapping reinforcing cycles part of the big mystery and can only be fournd on bench according to particular systems and peculiarities?

(whatever just thinking)

Made it back to USA OK with wife! Hooray but to wife have to ease her into new culture,...

For example we see man in womans dress in store, and my wife is in shock - in Belarus he/she/they cross dresser would be beat up and kicked to shit on ground....that's what happens there if you are man and stupid enough to wak around in womans dress! 

Here, if you even sneer, you can be charged with hate crime, and go to jail to be raped by inmates...(that will teach you eh)

ciiaoKone



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The Greeks have been wearing woman's dress's for ever and the Scots..after
a night of drinking. But it's relegous with the Greeks.  .many of the
Catholic priest are wearing there under ware back wards now  days what's
that all about ?😕 glad you made it back been having trouble with any thing
Russian at the ports of entry now days .bad boys . right like we don't do
the same stuff .
On Mar 27, 2018 12:30 PM, "Warren Keillor [email protected]
[EVGRAY]" <[email protected]> wrote:

>
>
>
> Hi Doug
> Welcome back, and welcome to North America to your wife.
> Parts of this continent are relaxed about their gender issues, other
> parts, well, they are still bothered, and befuddled.
> Keep us updated on how you are settling in.
> Cheers to you both
> Warren
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>
> On Tue, Mar 27, 2018 at 11:28 AM, [email protected] [EVGRAY]
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
> Hi Mick and Hector
>
> Perhaps "cphase" is looping relation\ship between two rhythyjm that synch
> up on "1"  such as 6/8 vs 11/8?? and so there will be certain time
> signatures that reinforce, not cancel over the overlapping cycles?
>
> Or perhaps two overlapping cycles never synching up on 1?
>
> Finding thiese overlapping reinforcing cycles part of the big mystery and
> can only be fournd on bench according to particular systems and
> peculiarities?
>
> (whatever just thinking)
>
> Made it back to USA OK with wife! Hooray but to wife have to ease her into
> new culture,...
>
> For example we see man in womans dress in store, and my wife is in shock -
> in Belarus he/she/they cross dresser would be beat up and kicked to shit on
> ground....that's what happens there if you are man and stupid enough to wak
> around in womans dress!
>
> Here, if you even sneer, you can be charged with hate crime, and go to
> jail to be raped by inmates...(that will teach you eh)
>
> ciiaoKone
>
>
> 
>

That means angels cant be in Russia as all of them got Bitch tits ....



(H)  USA is way fucked ......i wonder why you returned here .... 

---In [email protected], <konehead@...> wrote :

 Hi Mick and Hector
 Perhaps "cphase" is looping relation\ship between two rhythyjm that synch up on "1"  such as 6/8 vs 11/8?? and so there will be certain time signatures that reinforce, not cancel over the overlapping cycles?
 Or perhaps two overlapping cycles never synching up on 1?
 Finding thiese overlapping reinforcing cycles part of the big mystery and can only be fournd on bench according to particular systems and peculiarities?
 (whatever just thinking)
 Made it back to USA OK with wife! Hooray but to wife have to ease her into new culture,...
 For example we see man in womans dress in store, and my wife is in shock - in Belarus he/she/they cross dresser would be beat up and kicked to shit on ground....that's what happens there if you are man and stupid enough to wak around in womans dress!
 Here, if you even sneer, you can be charged with hate crime, and go to jail to be raped by inmates...(that will teach you eh)
 ciiaoKone

leading into a 5/8 wavelength   so don't push it all the way in  give it space to dance ...