Re: [EVGRAY] Sven, this is old style 3 pole magneto coils for Outboard Marine outboards!

Norm,

Would this be a good coil to use for the magnet snuffer on the center
pole, or only as the replacement for the battery if building the Tesla
receiver?



On 3/19/2018 5:09 PM, [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>  
>
> same applies to coil bangers to obtain OU  effects and also RV & EM-PM
> RVs genemotors ... call it the sweet point of the device !
>
> (H)  
>
>
>
> ---In [email protected], <nwootan@...> wrote :
>
> Sven, this 3 pole coil design was used for many years by Outboard
> Marine Corp 40s up to the 70s in the two cylinder magnetos.  I had a
> magneto test bench where I could experiment with the careful timing
> adjustments of the breaker points (before breakerless solid state
> commutation).  by careful adjustment of breaker gap/timing you could
> get magneto operating at peak of resonant curve in the "Ultra high Q"
> region!  At idle, (300 RPM) a very well tuned magneto of this design
> would yield a good one inch bright blue arc.  The condenser for this
> type of coil was .026mfd which was a "perfect match" to the impedance
> of the iron core coil.  I had various values of condensers
> (capacitors) but only the proper value would yield maximum performance!
>
>
> On 3/19/2018 6:02 PM, Norman Wootan nwootan@... <mailto:nwootan@...>
> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>
>>      
>>     https://m.ebay.com/itm/Ignition-Coil-for-Some-Early-Model-Johnson-Evinrude-2-Cylinder-Replaces-584477-/220888888795
>>
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>
>

Sven, this 3 pole coil design was used for many years by Outboard Marine 
Corp 40s up to the 70s in the two cylinder magnetos.  I had a magneto 
test bench where I could experiment with the careful timing adjustments 
of the breaker points (before breakerless solid state commutation).  by 
careful adjustment of breaker gap/timing you could get magneto operating 
at peak of resonant curve in the "Ultra high Q" region!  At idle, (300 
RPM) a very well tuned magneto of this design would yield a good one 
inch bright blue arc.  The condenser for this type of coil was .026mfd 
which was a "perfect match" to the impedance of the iron core coil.  I 
had various values of condensers (capacitors) but only the proper value 
would yield maximum performance!


On 3/19/2018 6:02 PM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
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>
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same applies to coil bangers to obtain OU  effects and also RV & EM-PM RVs genemotors ... call it the sweet point of the device ! 

(H)   

 

---In [email protected], <nwootan@...> wrote :

 Sven, this 3 pole coil design was used for many years by Outboard Marine Corp 40s up to the 70s in the two cylinder magnetos.  I had a magneto test bench where I could experiment with the careful timing adjustments of the breaker points (before breakerless solid state commutation).  by careful adjustment of breaker gap/timing you could get magneto operating at peak of resonant curve in the "Ultra high Q" region!  At idle, (300 RPM) a very well tuned magneto of this design would yield a good one inch bright blue arc.  The condenser for this type of coil was .026mfd which was a "perfect match" to the impedance of the iron core coil.  I had various values of condensers (capacitors) but only the proper value would yield maximum performance!

 
 On 3/19/2018 6:02 PM, Norman Wootan nwootan@... mailto:nwootan@... [EVGRAY] wrote:

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Norm,

How does the Tesla battery work in the receiver with the stressed
dielectric?

For a perfect LC tank the cap and inductor would have the same value. 
The values are likely determined at DC but not sure.  Based on the
engine being a low frequency device one could assume the equal values.


On 3/20/2018 6:42 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>  
>
> Outboard Marine used a two magnets (N-S) imbeded in flywheel with a
> "E" iron coil frame which gave the flux reversal "Push- pull" current
> in primary!   Makes no  difference as to which pole leads, evidenced
> by the 6 cylinder Mercury outboards which were direct drive with no
> reverse gear! It had a "double bendix" starter which when you pulled
> throttle into "Beta" (reverse) and hit start button, engine would
> start in reverse rotation. Magneto was retarded into "After dead
> center" to fire in reverse rotation. "simple"!
>
>
> On 3/20/2018 2:53 AM, Dave Muckerman [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>  
>> Norm, the coil poles faced the inside surface of the flywheel?
>> flywheel NSN or SNS magnet order as the pass by coil?
>> Looks that coil faces a concave shaped magnets.
>>
>> The flux path is near same in a E-core transformer.
>>
>>
>> On Monday, March 19, 2018 11:14 PM, "Norman Wootan [email protected]
>> [EVGRAY]" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>
>>  
>> https://m.ebay.com/itm/Ignition-Coil-for-Some-Early-Model-Johnson-Evinrude-2-Cylinder-Replaces-584477-/220888888795
>>
>> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
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>>
>>
>
>

OK Norm good disclaimer!

Wouldn't want to kill anyone with a huge thousand amp charge coupling...

On 3/20/2018 6:29 AM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>  
>
> This coil is only good for its designed application "only"!
>
>
> On 3/19/2018 8:46 PM, Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>  
>>
>> Norm,
>>
>> Would this be a good coil to use for the magnet snuffer on the center
>> pole, or only as the replacement for the battery if building the
>> Tesla receiver?
>>
>>
>>
>> On 3/19/2018 5:09 PM, [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>  
>>>
>>> same applies to coil bangers to obtain OU  effects and also RV &
>>> EM-PM RVs genemotors ... call it the sweet point of the device !
>>>
>>> (H)  
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ---In [email protected], <nwootan@...> wrote :
>>>
>>> Sven, this 3 pole coil design was used for many years by Outboard
>>> Marine Corp 40s up to the 70s in the two cylinder magnetos.  I had a
>>> magneto test bench where I could experiment with the careful timing
>>> adjustments of the breaker points (before breakerless solid state
>>> commutation).  by careful adjustment of breaker gap/timing you could
>>> get magneto operating at peak of resonant curve in the "Ultra high
>>> Q" region!  At idle, (300 RPM) a very well tuned magneto of this
>>> design would yield a good one inch bright blue arc.  The condenser
>>> for this type of coil was .026mfd which was a "perfect match" to the
>>> impedance of the iron core coil.  I had various values of condensers
>>> (capacitors) but only the proper value would yield maximum performance!
>>>
>>>
>>> On 3/19/2018 6:02 PM, Norman Wootan nwootan@... <mailto:nwootan@...>
>>> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>
>>>>      
>>>>     https://m.ebay.com/itm/Ignition-Coil-for-Some-Early-Model-Johnson-Evinrude-2-Cylinder-Replaces-584477-/220888888795
>>>>
>>>>     Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
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>>>
>>
>
>

Norm, the coil poles faced the inside surface of the flywheel?flywheel NSN or SNS magnet order as the pass by coil?
Looks that coil faces a concave shaped magnets.
The flux path is near same in a E-core transformer.
 

    On Monday, March 19, 2018 11:14 PM, "Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY]" <[email protected]> wrote:
 

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This coil is only good for its designed application "only"!


On 3/19/2018 8:46 PM, Mick [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>
> Norm,
>
> Would this be a good coil to use for the magnet snuffer on the center 
> pole, or only as the replacement for the battery if building the Tesla 
> receiver?
>
>
>
> On 3/19/2018 5:09 PM, [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>
>> same applies to coil bangers to obtain OU  effects and also RV & 
>> EM-PM RVs genemotors ... call it the sweet point of the device !
>>
>> (H)
>>
>>
>>
>> ---In [email protected], <nwootan@...> wrote :
>>
>> Sven, this 3 pole coil design was used for many years by Outboard 
>> Marine Corp 40s up to the 70s in the two cylinder magnetos.  I had a 
>> magneto test bench where I could experiment with the careful timing 
>> adjustments of the breaker points (before breakerless solid state 
>> commutation).  by careful adjustment of breaker gap/timing you could 
>> get magneto operating at peak of resonant curve in the "Ultra high Q" 
>> region!  At idle, (300 RPM) a very well tuned magneto of this design 
>> would yield a good one inch bright blue arc.  The condenser for this 
>> type of coil was .026mfd which was a "perfect match" to the impedance 
>> of the iron core coil.  I had various values of condensers 
>> (capacitors) but only the proper value would yield maximum performance!
>>
>>
>> On 3/19/2018 6:02 PM, Norman Wootan nwootan@... <mailto:nwootan@...> 
>> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>
>>>     https://m.ebay.com/itm/Ignition-Coil-for-Some-Early-Model-Johnson-Evinrude-2-Cylinder-Replaces-584477-/220888888795
>>>
>>>     Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
>>>     <https://overview.mail.yahoo.com/mobile/?.src=Android>
>>
>
>

Outboard Marine used a two magnets (N-S) imbeded in flywheel with a "E" 
iron coil frame which gave the flux reversal "Push- pull" current in 
primary!   Makes no  difference as to which pole leads, evidenced by the 
6 cylinder Mercury outboards which were direct drive with no reverse 
gear! It had a "double bendix" starter which when you pulled throttle 
into "Beta" (reverse) and hit start button, engine would start in 
reverse rotation. Magneto was retarded into "After dead center" to fire 
in reverse rotation. "simple"!


On 3/20/2018 2:53 AM, Dave Muckerman [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
> Norm, the coil poles faced the inside surface of the flywheel?
> flywheel NSN or SNS magnet order as the pass by coil?
> Looks that coil faces a concave shaped magnets.
>
> The flux path is near same in a E-core transformer.
>
>
> On Monday, March 19, 2018 11:14 PM, "Norman Wootan [email protected] 
> [EVGRAY]" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
> https://m.ebay.com/itm/Ignition-Coil-for-Some-Early-Model-Johnson-Evinrude-2-Cylinder-Replaces-584477-/220888888795
>
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
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>
>
>

Engine reverse on old red or white Mercs, never new that but I always liked them over outboard marine.
 

    On Tuesday, March 20, 2018 8:42 AM, "Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY]" <[email protected]> wrote:
 

      Outboard Marine used a two magnets (N-S) imbeded in flywheel with a "E" iron coil frame which gave the flux reversal "Push- pull" current in primary!   Makes no  difference as to which pole leads, evidenced by the 6 cylinder Mercury outboards which were direct drive with no reverse gear! It had a "double bendix" starter which when you pulled throttle into "Beta" (reverse) and hit start button, engine would start in reverse rotation. Magneto was retarded into "After dead center" to fire in reverse rotation. "simple"!
  
 On 3/20/2018 2:53 AM, Dave Muckerman [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
  
     Norm, the coil poles faced the inside surface of the flywheel? flywheel NSN or SNS magnet order as the pass by coil?
  Looks that coil faces a concave shaped magnets. 
  The flux path is near same in a E-core transformer.
   
 
      On Monday, March 19, 2018 11:14 PM, "Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY]" <[email protected]> wrote:
  
 
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