The coil unit?

SteveThe heat pump in the studio shop case is 220 volt single phase, an off the shelf unit, that he gets wholesale from one of his suppliers.He can totally build from scratch, but being as lazy as the rest of us, if something is available cheaper than you can build it , you buy it.Mind you it may not stay that way.I notice that he has a nice old victorian cast iron rad right next to it that is awaiting further events. Radiant heat is always better than hot air trying to do the job. Nothing beats radiant mass as a capacitor for thermal storage in heating dwellings. The tubing in the floor,(and floor) is better than a rad, but a rad is better than air passing by.This all makes for a very practical application using a 1.6 kw stator coil re jigged for free energy.Hey! Why use Chromalux elements inside a hot water tank? There is no free lunch there. Heat pump! Heat pumps hooked to the roof panel.Our off the shelf known methods of saving energy are not even being used, let alone our voo doo power potencial lurking in this group.If you are whining about being short of funds boys, get your tickets and get to work. Starting now, you could be working to the end of you days installing systems, and not even make a modest dent in the need to change heating methods across the continent. The same goes for air conditioning.Europe is way smarter about these matters and are way ahead of North America, in spite of those holdouts in the UK, with their "electric fires" and coin operated hot water gas powered 
fossils, in their homes.( the Brits are funny about history, and all that. Charming, but eccentric)Cheers Earren
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  On Thu, Mar 15, 2018 at 9:53 AM, [email protected] [EVGRAY]<[email protected]> wrote:       
Warren
 Keep us in mind when you find out about his heat pump that is in your old shop, if I remember correctly you said it was running on 120 volt I for one would like to know if it is a store bought Model or did he make this unit himself.
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DougWe just scrapped such a furnace that was heating my studio in Toronto.It was perfectly OK, and ran on natural gas, with a nice stainless steel heat exchanger.Yes, scrapped, me?The gas company charges a flat rate delivery charge of $50. Per month, whether you use any, or not just to keep those pipes safely in the ground.Any gas you use is on top of that fee.This is twelve months per year!So you are a frigging insullation freak and go R30. Baby, you are still paying that delivery charge.
My friend Mike, installed an electric heat pump, in a solid endorsement of my purhaps delusional be lief that we can make electricity, some day.The gas service has been cut off along with the compulsory service charges saving $600/ year plus the gas burnt.What a winter to test a heat pump!It has been -27C even there, in Toronto.It is toasty warm, quiet, and is costingway less then the warm winter we had last year.It is just an air to air heat pump.The way to go is a liquid heat exchanged in the floor system, based on geo thermal and solar thermal combined, the pumps run by our voodoo electricityMike is super experienced, buil ding these systems for high end clients, who enjoy the luxury of heated floors, and radiant dust free, silent heat, free of drafts. Oh, and costing nearly nothing to the energy companies for heat.I hear the stone barn calling for it, and my Caterpiller idling ready to go for it.Cheers Warren
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   ----- Forwarded Message ----- From: "[email protected] [EVGRAY]" <[email protected]> To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Cc: Sent: Thu, Mar 15, 2018 at 5:57 AM Subject: Re: [EVGRAY] Re: The coil unit?      HikWarrenMaybe you need one of those industrial gas burners with fan that runs off big propane or whatever tank, that you see in auto shops usually be hanging off ceiling....and/or the propane blower heaters they use in construction, to dry out rooms so drywall mud will dry....these will leave thin film of propane over everything sometimes but maybe point it at your stone walls, heat those up....Electric heated work-overalls are good thing too....Maybe make an "inner chamber" (igloo) just for you, a heater, and your tools bench and projects ciaoKone
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Hi Hector,
That's a good idea....about the DC rotor.

I think it has to be circular magnetic path for patent idea to work.

As the field in the centre doesn't reverse like it does in a 3 phase power
transformer.
Centre field rotates either clockwise or anti clock at input frequency &
normally the rotor just follows this field.

I already tried 40 metres wire wound through the centre on a big outrunner
motor.

Ran it off a VFD ...VFD gave over 300V ac per phase causing heating of
individual drive coils
but my 40 metre series wind gave me just 6V ac :-(
Rotor turned nicely though.

Going to pull the wire off and try re wrapping around stator poles.

Gerry




On Thu, Mar 15, 2018 at 1:17 PM, [email protected] [EVGRAY] <
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> using a DC rotor with same diameter will do the same opening its
> commutators to star configuration ..
>
> but why not try a 3 phase transformer as is same shit ?
>
> fact you will have no kinetic condenser effect , neither the power factor
> correction a PM rotor brings ..
>
> (H)
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> ---In [email protected], <smokyatgroups@...> wrote :
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> Hi Warren, Ole,
> According to those patents and some other Russian information from friend
> Alexey on Ferd site.
>
> This is how it goes....
> For BLDC Outrunner motors we can take apart the windings and rewind each
> pole as a bifilar winding.
> One winding is then a primary the other is a secondary. Hooked in Star or
> Delta as required.
>
> Each pole around the outside becomes a little power transformer of it's
> own.
> Only the magnetic field from each transformer is chased around the outside
> by a rotating magnet (the outer rotor).
> Amplifying the input field.
>
> We can rewind 3 phase motors by same way doubling up the winds (with a
> primary and secondary) if there's space to do so.
>
> The drawback with 3 phase motor's is it sucks much energy out of the input
> field.... just to mechanically rotate the rotor which has large slip angle
> & is driven by Eddy currents.
>
> So again each 3 phase winding is then an input and output transformer with
> ADDITIONAL extra external magnetic field not used in a normal transformer.
> This EXTRA field rotates around the circular core at exactly same speed as
> input current's field and arrives back at each coil/transformer just in
> time to re-enforce the original field.
> This apparently amplifies the original field.
>
> So main thing with 3 phase motor is to remove the energy sucking rotor &
> fill the space with low eddy current but good conductor of magnetic field.
> In the patents they say stacked laminates ....but thinking stuffing the
> space with Ferrite powders even Iron filings in epoxy might work.
>
> Gerry
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> On Thu, Mar 15, 2018 at 12:08 AM, Warren Keillor schoonersolsticemoon@...
> [EVGRAY] <[email protected]> wrote:
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> Gerry
> Don't have a need to appologise, this is not a private m, and wow! Your
> input is certainly welcome.
> I don' t have a clue what I am doing.
> I am a materials and processes guy.
> If I know what it looks like, and what it does, I can likely make it, as
> long as the information, I am getting, is correct.
> The insides of ac electric motors have been voodoo magic, whenever I have
> taken one apart. They are not intuitive.
> The forces at play are invisible, just looking at the parts and pieces
> when you take it appart. There is no mechanical contact for the eyes to
> perceive. That central armature core seems to contain nothing of mechanical
> interest, except being made of laminations tightly packed together.
> Who would imagine that it could turn by itself without contact?
> It is complete madness that someone actually brought these things together
> to run on electricity, and they actually work.
> Such a mind was indeed awsome.
> So now here we are trying to ponder the next step. This is going to take
> every mind we can muster, trying to figure it out, and then build them.
> That motor coil I took out is an impressive bit of craftsmanship that
> appears to be quite a challenge to duplicate, let alone build something
> even better, on the bones of that one.
> What I appear to lack is the coceptual framework of what we hope to
> acheive.
> How are the people who are making these things work doing it?
> Cheers Warren
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> On Tue, Mar 13, 2018 at 10:35 PM, Gerry smokyatgroups@... [EVGRAY]
> <[email protected]> wrote:
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> Hi Warren, Ole
> Excuse me barging in on your conversation here.
>
> Just like to say if you are looking at implementing the Molina-Martinez
> patent mentioned above.
> While you are there... download this one also.... https://patents.
> google.com/patent/ US20040007932
> <https://patents.google.com/patent/US20040007932>
>
> It is virtually identical effect claimed by another person "Chung Hyung".
> This one is a good read because it goes into detail about how to wind the
> input & output windings in the slots.
> It also shows some other techniques to make the magnetic field move pole
> to pole ...if using single phase etc.
>
> eg Shaded pole or phase shifting capacitor (like with Hectors RV ing
> technique).
>
> Gerry
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> On Wed, Mar 14, 2018 at 11:22 AM, onielsen@... [EVGRAY] <
> [email protected]> wrote:
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> Hi Warren,
>
> Perhaps the stator can be used as it is according to the Molina-Martinez
> patent application that Gerry refers to at the ferd yahoo group: https://patents.google.com/
> patent/US20030168921A1/en
> <https://patents.google.com/patent/US20030168921A1/en>
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> This patent application also claims excess energy without having to step
> through the poles. The poles are the normal fixed ones made rotating by
> using three phased alternating current. This is the normal Tesla rotating
> field.
>
> Regards
> Ole
>
>
> ---In [email protected], <onielsen@...> wrote :
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>
> Hi Warren,
>
> I think the stator core is OK. It has 12 slots and three phases. It's
> probably wound as a 6 poled stator having 3 NS-pole pairs. It will have to
> be rewound to shifting poles if it is to work the way Pierre Cotnoir does
> it. For six poles in a 24 slot stator each pole takes four slots.
>
> The new windings could take six slots per pole as Pierre's stator does.
> This will make it a four poled stator. This can then be driven by six
> phases like the way Pierre does it. When shifting the six phases six times
> the poles have made one fourth of a revolution and the original north (or
> south) poles have changed to its opposite poles.
>
> Regards
> Ole
>
>
> ---In [email protected], <schoonersolsticemoon@....> wrote :
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> Removed 2.4Mb photo of the stator!
>
> Hi Ole
> Is this what you mean as the thing we might be able to use?
> Iv'e seen the drawing, but I am not certain what to do next.
> Please help.
> Cheers Warren
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