Possible design of permanent magnet rotor inside alternator housing

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[1/8] Possible design of permanent magnet rotor inside alternator housing

2018-02-23T20:30:59+00:00 · Douglas Konzen <[email protected]>
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Hi all

Here is idea I have of what there might be possiblility is inside that alternator housing to left of the Indonesian looping motor-generator....

I have space between coils same distance as magnet width in this drawing, but actually I think the magnets twice the distance as space between coils, or perhaps even better to have magnet width be 1.618 distance greater (what I did when I made axial/flat disc version of this)

Problem I see now is that the aluminum/allow housing of common car alternator might cause bad eddy current problems with rotor magnets if rotor magnets very strong neodymiums and rotate too close to housing...
Hi Sven
 I think you are talking about the Indonesian video of the motor and generator looper?
 Yes who knows! I wrote to him, he will not give details....
 That is a genset-generator on the right side that is for sure....perhaps he is using it as a motor!! (I don't know)
 It sure looks like a common car alternator on the left, perhaps this is the type with permanent magnet (neodymium magnet) rotors that they make for wind turbines??? (I don't know)
 Maybe that is not a car alternator on the left, but is a AC/DC universal-type motor from a washing machine??? (I don't know)
 A lot of "I don't knows" !!
 

 Can you tell me what drawings from Brian Prater you are writing about, as there are lots and lots of drawings and schematics from him in files....
 

 Here is the exact as powered gen-set the Indonesian guy took the generator from (the right side in video)....I wonder if this could be used as motor??
 http://www.yanmarpekanbaru.com/produk/detail/4/4-genset-generator-star-spg-1300 http://www.yanmarpekanbaru.com/produk/detail/4/4-genset-generator-star-spg-1300
HI Sven
 I  think the synchronous problem Brian Prater overcame by coupling the two motors with a "loose belt" so the slip of the belt "naturally" changes the AC sinewave leading into lagging, or the lagging into leading....not sure if this helps let me know what drawing of Brian you refer to....
 ciao
 Kone
Hello Douglas,

I meant the drawing with the 1/6 HP engine and the 3 Hp generator in Rotovertermode. this 1 / 6hp engine what is this engine?
I would try it over a FWBR and a DC motor. The AC voltage is then simply looped through.

regards

Sven
Hi Douglas,

In principle, you can operate every generator as a motor. In some simple and in other complicated, as synonymous with synchronous motor generator as a simple but easy to operate as a motor only with complicated control.

regards

Sven

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2018-02-24T09:36:31+01:00 · Sven Friedrich <[email protected]>
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Hi Sven
 I think that 1'6hp motor in schematic is a single-phase AC motor and it is important to have that belt loose, so that it will be slipping.....
 I believe this is the circuit Brian did for his looping riding electric lawnmower....but not sure about that.
 

 I have some other Brian Prater schematics that  I found after recently going through all the files in EVGRAY, and putting them all into a flash drive...
 

 I will send some more after this post, via attachment in email to EVGRAY....
 I hope not to confuse you more haha!
 Also have some more transvertor information too you probably have not seen yet...
 ciaoKone

[8/8] Aw: Re: [EVGRAY] Possible design of permanent magnet rotor inside alternator housing

2018-02-24T13:51:01+01:00 · Sven Friedrich <[email protected]>
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