Re: test for photo attachment

Ji Sven
 I cannot see it, and I am moderator/pwner of EVGRAY,
 I had  justre-set the settings, hoping this will fix it, also wrote a complaint to yahoo, along with a lot of other yahoo group owners too.... maybe they will fix it....
 ciao
 Kone

Just seeing it anyone can see this photo in attachments.

Yes very clearly
On Feb 8, 2018 3:29 AM, "'Douglas L. Konzen' [email protected] [EVGRAY]" <
[email protected]> wrote:

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> Just seeing it anyone can see this photo in attachments.
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Hi Douglas, no photo in the attachments on Evgray and also messages, I can call only with repeated calls of the Button Conversation. The servers have all fallen into the water. laughing.
Would be interesting perhaps to build the forum with a more stable provider.
In the email attachment is then your picture to see.
It can not be that you can only receive the images, data, etc. via his email account.

regards

Sven

DougYes perfectly! Some serious Muller motors that are drawn out.Cheers Warren

Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
 
  On Thu, Feb 8, 2018 at 4:29 AM, 'Douglas L. Konzen' [email protected] [EVGRAY]<[email protected]> wrote:       


Just seeing it anyone can see this photo in attachments.

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Nothing
 

 Sometimes I even have to keep reloading the message to get it to didplay.
 

 Click on a message and it goes to a blank page????
 

 Ron

Hi Douglas,

Thank you for taking care of that.

regards

Sven

Hi RonI get that too sometimes.More oftenI get a short burst of the message, maybe the whole message for a second duration then it goes to reload slowly then displaywhat I only had a brief glimse of, in that "preview".I find this very curious.Why doesn't it just load, and stay loaded giving me the information? Cheers Warren

Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
 
  On Thu, Feb 8, 2018 at 11:00 AM, [email protected] [EVGRAY]<[email protected]> wrote:       


Nothing
Sometimes I even have to keep reloading the message to get it to didplay.
Click on a message and it goes to a blank page????
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Hi Ron 
 I also get that to happen - a blank page when trying to read a message - so I click on back button and try again then it usually will appear but obviously something is wrong with yahoo groups....maybe they are being forced to put every single message and photo into the NSA mega-data bank and so everything gets intercepted and archived, just like all cell phone calls do...
 For some reason I can always see the photos and read dirty words Hector puts up! Go figure....
 ciao
 Kone

Hi Gerrry
 I had to backspace-arrow from blank page three times to read your post.
 I am going to hassle yahoo more see if they will fix all this.
 ciao
 Kone

Yep, yahoo is one primitive, ugly, forum provider.
 

 OU.com is still the best in my view, you can post pictures and you can go back in and edit your post with the EDIT function, 
 

 Ron

I received it as well.


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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of 'Douglas L. Konzen' [email protected] [EVGRAY] <[email protected]>
Sent: Thursday, February 8, 2018 1:29 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [EVGRAY] test for photo attachment



Just seeing it anyone can see this photo in attachments.

Hi Doug,
I am seeing the Muller motor diagrams attached just fine.
When the email is first opened, it takes a few moments for my pc to load
the attachment content.

Gerry

On Thu, Feb 8, 2018 at 8:29 PM, 'Douglas L. Konzen' [email protected]
[EVGRAY] <[email protected]> wrote:

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Yes Doug, I amonYahoo 7 Mail online.CheersEduardo


      From: "'Douglas L. Konzen' [email protected] [EVGRAY]" <[email protected]>
 To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> 
 Sent: Thursday, 8 February 2018, 20:29
 Subject: [EVGRAY] test for photo attachment
   
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Just seeing it anyone can see this photo in attachments.

Hold it up higher and wave it ..I can almost make it out .?
On Feb 9, 2018 12:48 AM, "Eduardo Codina [email protected]
[EVGRAY]" <[email protected]> wrote:

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> Cheers
> Eduardo
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> [email protected]>
> *To:* "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
> *Sent:* Thursday, 8 February 2018, 20:29
> *Subject:* [EVGRAY] test for photo attachment
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Oh my, snowed in, and watching Clem motor videos on youtube.I confess, I am finding them compelling.I start itching and looking through my materials. Grey PVC. I have an 18" diameter tube, 5/16" wall. There are sheets of the stuff up to 1" thick.I have unpacked a router, and found a kit of bits for itFeeling like a Robinson Cruso fugitive among the cardboard carton wreckage of my studio, moved 4 hours East of Toronto, to unheated buildings at -9 C, with solid stone walls over 2/3 of a meter thick. Oh, How I feel empathy with those Russian Kapanadze builders struggling somehow to get heat and electricity in their free, but frigid Soviet era abandoned factories, without any outside services. 30 foot ceilings, massive concrete walls, dirt floors.Space to work, dry, but -9C and no electricity, or heat. I have electricity, but I really can relate.It will get better, spring will come.I now know what it is like to work at projects using the kitchen table, except domestic life is put in jeprody, unless I can convey with enthusiasm, some other crazy man's project, I am taking up the home, and turning it to domestic squaller.A warm , heated, organized workshop, is such a luxury, that it brings joy to my heart just to look at Sven's setups, to remember how it should be, and make that extra effort to make it so.So gear up in the layers, the parka, and gloves, and quit snivelling.Cheers Warren
Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
 
  On Fri, Feb 9, 2018 at 10:15 AM, James Glinski [email protected] [EVGRAY]<[email protected]> wrote:       


Hold it up higher and wave it ..I can almost make it out .?
On Feb 9, 2018 12:48 AM, "Eduardo Codina [email protected] [EVGRAY]" <[email protected]> wrote:

     

Yes Doug, I amonYahoo 7 Mail online.CheersEduardo


      From: "'Douglas L. Konzen' [email protected] [EVGRAY]" <[email protected]>
 To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> 
 Sent: Thursday, 8 February 2018, 20:29
 Subject: [EVGRAY] test for photo attachment
  
 

Just seeing it anyone can see this photo in attachments.




      
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Hello Douglas, 

 yes I see the picture very well.
 

 I have a question related to MULLER with multiple rotors. Are the magnets on first rotor aligned with the ones from other rotors or there is some shift?
 

 Thanks.
 

 Vitalie A. Bugaian

Hi Vitalie
 The "usual" Muller generator/dynamo/motor approach is to have for example 9 stator coils with low hysteresis cores each side of the flat disc rotor, and have 8 or 10 rotor magnets in that flat rotor, usually hockey puck shaped rotor magnets too.....this odd vs even design is to cut down on rotational latch, also it can serve as lenz-law diminishing method if you were to connect all or some coils in series or parallel... or as motor you can do same thing too and it makes for very interesting experiments many choices how to extract or to input power with the odd vs even geometry....
 Also you could just use air-cores in the coils, and line up for an example 8 coils each side of 8 rotor magnets...now I would call this an air-cored all in-phase Muller generator now switching is very simple as you can use just one switch for example if working as motor to turn on-off all the coils all at same time......
 In that drawing I had no distinction of how many coils vs how many rotor magnets, and was trying to show people that with multiple rotors, it becomes more efficient since now both ends of the coils are doing work, either pushing or pulling on rotor magnets (if motor), or being induced on both ends of coils if generator....so twice the power for same input energy if motor, twice the induced power if generator and also the magnets begin to "work" with both ends too, once you get multiple rotors in the design...
 So the coils do not "waste energy" with un-used half going nowhere but into atmosphere, (if just single coil face against single magnet face as example)
 and it is the same X2 effeciency with the rotor magnets, when both ends of magnets do work - so it is more and more efficient motor or generator the more and more rotors that are stacked as shown...
 ciaoKone

Hello Douglas, 

 thanks for good information.
 

 It is clear for me that we have 8 or 10 rotor magnets per rotor and 9 coils for example on one stator. 
 

 But do we align all rotors or are these rotors(magnets on them) shifted a bit so we get off a bit of Lenz effect? Or there is no difference ?
 

 Can this shifting between multiple rotors be a  way to increase efficiency?

 

 Thanks.
 
Vitalie A. Bugaian