Winding BiTT with C shape winding tool

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Hi Kone,

The Heins transformer core can be reduced to a three legged core:


The primary winding is the center leg and the secondaries are the side legs. The three top (and bottom) reluctances can be distributed on just three legs as shown to the right. The top reluctance can be split into two series reluctances in parallel with the other two horizontal reluctances. As they then are parallel to the two horizontal reluctances they can be reduced to just those two reluctances but of less reluctance. Those two remaining horizontal reluctances are now in series with the two side legs and thus can be reduced to just the side leg's reluctance but having the series reluctance of each side leg's reluctance and one of the horizontal reluctances. This becomes the figure to the right. Two reluctances are placed in series at the center leg as one of them can be an air gap. Else this leg has to be longer or have less cross sectional area to have greater reluctance than the rest of the circuit.

The core is now identical to the Jensen UDT trafo core. Thus there is no need for using the complicated core. A standard EI-core with an air gap in the center leg will do the same thing. If no air gap is wanted two U-cores (as secondaries) and an I-core (as primary) of less cross sectional area will do the same thing.

Regards
Ole


 

---In [email protected], <konehead@...> wrote :

 
 

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Hi Ole, Yes I thought this looked like the Jensen approach too Ole, ...spent part of the day today trying to find that pdf on the Jensen UDT.
 It's here somewhere.
 I know you have spent very considerable effort yourself on this design.
 

 Had idea to remove all the E's & I's from a standard transformer & put then back with all E's on one side and all the I's on the other ...making it easy to get air gap by cutting down length of all the centre E legs.
 Gerry

Hi Ole
 I think the drawing of the Thane transformer is not quite correct, as I assume the circles represent the three coil windings, and the rectangular boxes represent  the transformer legs "reluctance" as you call them...:"nagnetic paths" might be another term to use for those boxes and it is important that their magnetic-resistance fo magnetic flow  ("reluctance" to flow) should also be included in each those boxes, as they all are not the same resistance to magnetic flow, some paths have skinny transformer legs, some have much thicker transformer legs,
 For example the large rectangular box in your drawing i in my Bitt core made of florist wire, is three times thicker than the rest of thoise inner transformer legs. 
 This is the advice that Gerry gave to me a couple weeks ago, since you want to make sure that the magnetic flow has a very strong path to the opposite side secondary....So I added three times the number of florist wire lengths to my core "perimeter"  and it is three times thicker 
 Tthere should also be three more rectanfular reluctance boxes in the drawing, each underneath the three circles representing the coils, this regardless of the thicknesses of the cores, it is just something missing in the drawing.
 

 MAybe most important or just as important as including the reluctance value to the relcutcance boxes, is that there is, I count six "three-way" junctions to the Bitt transformer core drawing, while the Jensen has only two...at the top and the bottom of the primary...
 

 And the three way junctions being excluded are actually the most important detail of the BiTT transformer! As those two outside three way junctions on the left, and the other two on the right are where the back-currents "Decide" which route to take, and that is, back to the primary and reflect as extra draw and never overunity, or back across to the opposite side secondary, where the power produced in the secondaries becomes additive-power (coherent?)
 

 ciao
 Kone

Hi Gerry
 Here is all I could find on the net about the Jensen UDT transformer, I could not find drawings or replications but this has lots of formulas at least maybe this is what you are looking for
 http://www.hyiq.org/Research/Details?Name=A%20Free-Energy%20Device http://www.hyiq.org/Research/Details?Name=A%20Free-Energy%20Device

Get my old hemorrhoidal  transformer & schematics  postings using 3 phase transformers  and EXTERNAL winding ! 

(H)

Hi Gerry,

P.R. Jensen article on the UDT transformer from the "Wayback Machine:" The Science Journal of the University of Science and Philosophy" Vol. 3, No. 2, December 1994.
"A Free-Energy Device:" http://web.archive.org/web/20010420010832/http:/www.zaz.com/usp/fulcrum.v3n2/udt.html http://web.archive.org/web/20010420010832/http:/www.zaz.com/usp/fulcrum.v3n2/udt.html

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"Had idea to remove all the E's & I's from a standard transformer & put then back with all E's on one side and all the I's on the other ...making it easy to get air gap by cutting down length of all the centre E legs."
The air gap distance is critical. Jensen spent some time grinding to get the right distance of his E-core. I made the core of different sections making it easy to adjust the air gap distance by using layers of paper.

Regards
Ole

 

---In [email protected], <smokyatgroups@...> wrote :

 Hi Ole, Yes I thought this looked like the Jensen approach too Ole, ...spent part of the day today trying to find that pdf on the Jensen UDT.
 It's here somewhere.
 I know you have spent very considerable effort yourself on this design.
 

 Had idea to remove all the E's & I's from a standard transformer & put then back with all E's on one side and all the I's on the other ...making it easy to get air gap by cutting down length of all the centre E legs.
 Gerry

Can someone search the fucking 3 phase schematic with the external windings & loops i posted ? years ago ? 

what it takes  to take a 3 phase transformer  resonate phase A & C
using 2 capacitors and bridge LOADS then feed the center phase with AC power 120VAC 

and put the dammed thing vertical inside a NEWMNAN motor coil ... or any big coil and tame the CEMP radiance RFMF  ? .....

will someone will steal it again & rename it to the "cow cunt" transformer  ?


(H) 



 

---In [email protected], <smokyatgroups@...> wrote :

 Hi Ole, Yes I thought this looked like the Jensen approach too Ole, ...spent part of the day today trying to find that pdf on the Jensen UDT.
 It's here somewhere.
 I know you have spent very considerable effort yourself on this design.
 

 Had idea to remove all the E's & I's from a standard transformer & put then back with all E's on one side and all the I's on the other ...making it easy to get air gap by cutting down length of all the centre E legs.
 Gerry

Hi Kone,

The circles represents the magnetomotive force (mmf) and the rectangles represents the reluctance (Rm) or magnetic resistance to the magnetic flux ('magnetic current'). The mmf is A (Ampere) or A X turns which is the total amount of current going around the leg. With these three parameters a magnetic circuit works like Ohm's law for an electric circuit.
The lines represents magnetic conductors having no reluctance (ideal conductors).
 https://wiki2.org/en/Magnetic_circuit https://wiki2.org/en/Magnetic_circuit

"MAybe most important or just as important as including the reluctance value to the relcutcance boxes, is that there is, I count six "three-way" junctions to the Bitt transformer core drawing, while the Jensen has only two...at the top and the bottom of the primary..."
The reluctance for the different legs and parts making up the magnetic circuit can be calculated. By using tables of magnetic properties the parameters for iron can be found and the cross sectional area of the legs and their lengths cam be found. This makes it possible to calculate the reluctances.

When two resistors (or reluctances) are in series the resistance can be substituted with a single resistor having the value of the two series resistors added. For resistors in parallel they can also be substituted with a single resistor having the value of the two paralleled resistors (the value isn't just added when in parallel). By using these two rules the reluctances can be reduced to the simple circuit with few reluctances and some ideal magnetic conductors connecting them. Of course a real transformer core has its reluctance distributed along the magnetic conductors. The schematic model makes it much easier to calculate the circuit than using distributed reluctance along the magnetic paths.

Regards
Ole


 

---In [email protected], <konehead@...> wrote :

 Hi Ole
 I think the drawing of the Thane transformer is not quite correct, as I assume the circles represent the three coil windings, and the rectangular boxes represent  the transformer legs "reluctance" as you call them...:"nagnetic paths" might be another term to use for those boxes and it is important that their magnetic-resistance fo magnetic flow  ("reluctance" to flow) should also be included in each those boxes, as they all are not the same resistance to magnetic flow, some paths have skinny transformer legs, some have much thicker transformer legs,
 For example the large rectangular box in your drawing i in my Bitt core made of florist wire, is three times thicker than the rest of thoise inner transformer legs.
 This is the advice that Gerry gave to me a couple weeks ago, since you want to make sure that the magnetic flow has a very strong path to the opposite side secondary....So I added three times the number of florist wire lengths to my core "perimeter"  and it is three times thicker
 Tthere should also be three more rectanfular reluctance boxes in the drawing, each underneath the three circles representing the coils, this regardless of the thicknesses of the cores, it is just something missing in the drawing.
 

 MAybe most important or just as important as including the reluctance value to the relcutcance boxes, is that there is, I count six "three-way" junctions to the Bitt transformer core drawing, while the Jensen has only two...at the top and the bottom of the primary...
 

 And the three way junctions being excluded are actually the most important detail of the BiTT transformer! As those two outside three way junctions on the left, and the other two on the right are where the back-currents "Decide" which route to take, and that is, back to the primary and reflect as extra draw and never overunity, or back across to the opposite side secondary, where the power produced in the secondaries becomes additive-power (coherent?)
 

 ciao
 Kone

Heinz magnetic core circuit reduction to an EI-core with an air gap

And the circuit with references for magnetomotoric forces, reluctances and magnetic fluxes:

Regards
Ole



---In [email protected], <onielsen@...> wrote :

 Hi Kone,

The circles represents the magnetomotive force (mmf) and the rectangles represents the reluctance (Rm) or magnetic resistance to the magnetic flux ('magnetic current'). The mmf is A (Ampere) or A X turns which is the total amount of current going around the leg. With these three parameters a magnetic circuit works like Ohm's law for an electric circuit.
The lines represents magnetic conductors having no reluctance (ideal conductors).
 https://wiki2.org/en/Magnetic_circuit https://wiki2.org/en/Magnetic_circuit

"MAybe most important or just as important as including the reluctance value to the relcutcance boxes, is that there is, I count six "three-way" junctions to the Bitt transformer core drawing, while the Jensen has only two...at the top and the bottom of the primary..."
The reluctance for the different legs and parts making up the magnetic circuit can be calculated. By using tables of magnetic properties the parameters for iron can be found and the cross sectional area of the legs and their lengths cam be found. This makes it possible to calculate the reluctances.

When two resistors (or reluctances) are in series the resistance can be substituted with a single resistor having the value of the two series resistors added. For resistors in parallel they can also be substituted with a single resistor having the value of the two paralleled resistors (the value isn't just added when in parallel). By using these two rules the reluctances can be reduced to the simple circuit with few reluctances and some ideal magnetic conductors connecting them. Of course a real transformer core has its reluctance distributed along the magnetic conductors. The schematic model makes it much easier to calculate the circuit than using distributed reluctance along the magnetic paths.

Regards
Ole


 

---In [email protected], <konehead@...> wrote :

 Hi Ole
 I think the drawing of the Thane transformer is not quite correct, as I assume the circles represent the three coil windings, and the rectangular boxes represent  the transformer legs "reluctance" as you call them...:"nagnetic paths" might be another term to use for those boxes and it is important that their magnetic-resistance fo magnetic flow  ("reluctance" to flow) should also be included in each those boxes, as they all are not the same resistance to magnetic flow, some paths have skinny transformer legs, some have much thicker transformer legs,
 For example the large rectangular box in your drawing i in my Bitt core made of florist wire, is three times thicker than the rest of thoise inner transformer legs.
 This is the advice that Gerry gave to me a couple weeks ago, since you want to make sure that the magnetic flow has a very strong path to the opposite side secondary....So I added three times the number of florist wire lengths to my core "perimeter"  and it is three times thicker
 Tthere should also be three more rectanfular reluctance boxes in the drawing, each underneath the three circles representing the coils, this regardless of the thicknesses of the cores, it is just something missing in the drawing.
 

 MAybe most important or just as important as including the reluctance value to the relcutcance boxes, is that there is, I count six "three-way" junctions to the Bitt transformer core drawing, while the Jensen has only two...at the top and the bottom of the primary...
 

 And the three way junctions being excluded are actually the most important detail of the BiTT transformer! As those two outside three way junctions on the left, and the other two on the right are where the back-currents "Decide" which route to take, and that is, back to the primary and reflect as extra draw and never overunity, or back across to the opposite side secondary, where the power produced in the secondaries becomes additive-power (coherent?)
 

 ciao
 Kone

The magnetic circuits with cores overlaid in red:

Regards
Ole


---In [email protected], <onielsen@...> wrote :

 Heinz magnetic core circuit reduction to an EI-core with an air gap

And the circuit with references for magnetomotoric forces, reluctances and magnetic fluxes:

Regards
Ole



---In [email protected], <onielsen@...> wrote :

 Hi Kone,

The circles represents the magnetomotive force (mmf) and the rectangles represents the reluctance (Rm) or magnetic resistance to the magnetic flux ('magnetic current'). The mmf is A (Ampere) or A X turns which is the total amount of current going around the leg. With these three parameters a magnetic circuit works like Ohm's law for an electric circuit.
The lines represents magnetic conductors having no reluctance (ideal conductors).
 https://wiki2.org/en/Magnetic_circuit https://wiki2.org/en/Magnetic_circuit

"MAybe most important or just as important as including the reluctance value to the relcutcance boxes, is that there is, I count six "three-way" junctions to the Bitt transformer core drawing, while the Jensen has only two...at the top and the bottom of the primary..."
The reluctance for the different legs and parts making up the magnetic circuit can be calculated. By using tables of magnetic properties the parameters for iron can be found and the cross sectional area of the legs and their lengths cam be found. This makes it possible to calculate the reluctances.

When two resistors (or reluctances) are in series the resistance can be substituted with a single resistor having the value of the two series resistors added. For resistors in parallel they can also be substituted with a single resistor having the value of the two paralleled resistors (the value isn't just added when in parallel). By using these two rules the reluctances can be reduced to the simple circuit with few reluctances and some ideal magnetic conductors connecting them. Of course a real transformer core has its reluctance distributed along the magnetic conductors. The schematic model makes it much easier to calculate the circuit than using distributed reluctance along the magnetic paths.

Regards
Ole


 

---In [email protected], <konehead@...> wrote :

 Hi Ole
 I think the drawing of the Thane transformer is not quite correct, as I assume the circles represent the three coil windings, and the rectangular boxes represent  the transformer legs "reluctance" as you call them...:"nagnetic paths" might be another term to use for those boxes and it is important that their magnetic-resistance fo magnetic flow  ("reluctance" to flow) should also be included in each those boxes, as they all are not the same resistance to magnetic flow, some paths have skinny transformer legs, some have much thicker transformer legs,
 For example the large rectangular box in your drawing i in my Bitt core made of florist wire, is three times thicker than the rest of thoise inner transformer legs.
 This is the advice that Gerry gave to me a couple weeks ago, since you want to make sure that the magnetic flow has a very strong path to the opposite side secondary....So I added three times the number of florist wire lengths to my core "perimeter"  and it is three times thicker
 Tthere should also be three more rectanfular reluctance boxes in the drawing, each underneath the three circles representing the coils, this regardless of the thicknesses of the cores, it is just something missing in the drawing.
 

 MAybe most important or just as important as including the reluctance value to the relcutcance boxes, is that there is, I count six "three-way" junctions to the Bitt transformer core drawing, while the Jensen has only two...at the top and the bottom of the primary...
 

 And the three way junctions being excluded are actually the most important detail of the BiTT transformer! As those two outside three way junctions on the left, and the other two on the right are where the back-currents "Decide" which route to take, and that is, back to the primary and reflect as extra draw and never overunity, or back across to the opposite side secondary, where the power produced in the secondaries becomes additive-power (coherent?)
 

 ciao
 Kone

T. Heinz and EI-core overlay in red on the magnetic circuits:


Regards
Ole




---In [email protected], <onielsen@...> wrote :

 Heinz magnetic core circuit reduction to an EI-core with an air gap

And the circuit with references for magnetomotoric forces, reluctances and magnetic fluxes:

Regards
Ole



---In [email protected], <onielsen@...> wrote :

 Hi Kone,

The circles represents the magnetomotive force (mmf) and the rectangles represents the reluctance (Rm) or magnetic resistance to the magnetic flux ('magnetic current'). The mmf is A (Ampere) or A X turns which is the total amount of current going around the leg. With these three parameters a magnetic circuit works like Ohm's law for an electric circuit.
The lines represents magnetic conductors having no reluctance (ideal conductors).
 https://wiki2.org/en/Magnetic_circuit https://wiki2.org/en/Magnetic_circuit

"MAybe most important or just as important as including the reluctance value to the relcutcance boxes, is that there is, I count six "three-way" junctions to the Bitt transformer core drawing, while the Jensen has only two...at the top and the bottom of the primary..."
The reluctance for the different legs and parts making up the magnetic circuit can be calculated. By using tables of magnetic properties the parameters for iron can be found and the cross sectional area of the legs and their lengths cam be found. This makes it possible to calculate the reluctances.

When two resistors (or reluctances) are in series the resistance can be substituted with a single resistor having the value of the two series resistors added. For resistors in parallel they can also be substituted with a single resistor having the value of the two paralleled resistors (the value isn't just added when in parallel). By using these two rules the reluctances can be reduced to the simple circuit with few reluctances and some ideal magnetic conductors connecting them. Of course a real transformer core has its reluctance distributed along the magnetic conductors. The schematic model makes it much easier to calculate the circuit than using distributed reluctance along the magnetic paths.

Regards
Ole


 

---In [email protected], <konehead@...> wrote :

 Hi Ole
 I think the drawing of the Thane transformer is not quite correct, as I assume the circles represent the three coil windings, and the rectangular boxes represent  the transformer legs "reluctance" as you call them...:"nagnetic paths" might be another term to use for those boxes and it is important that their magnetic-resistance fo magnetic flow  ("reluctance" to flow) should also be included in each those boxes, as they all are not the same resistance to magnetic flow, some paths have skinny transformer legs, some have much thicker transformer legs,
 For example the large rectangular box in your drawing i in my Bitt core made of florist wire, is three times thicker than the rest of thoise inner transformer legs.
 This is the advice that Gerry gave to me a couple weeks ago, since you want to make sure that the magnetic flow has a very strong path to the opposite side secondary....So I added three times the number of florist wire lengths to my core "perimeter"  and it is three times thicker
 Tthere should also be three more rectanfular reluctance boxes in the drawing, each underneath the three circles representing the coils, this regardless of the thicknesses of the cores, it is just something missing in the drawing.
 

 MAybe most important or just as important as including the reluctance value to the relcutcance boxes, is that there is, I count six "three-way" junctions to the Bitt transformer core drawing, while the Jensen has only two...at the top and the bottom of the primary...
 

 And the three way junctions being excluded are actually the most important detail of the BiTT transformer! As those two outside three way junctions on the left, and the other two on the right are where the back-currents "Decide" which route to take, and that is, back to the primary and reflect as extra draw and never overunity, or back across to the opposite side secondary, where the power produced in the secondaries becomes additive-power (coherent?)
 

 ciao
 Kone

Hi Doug & Ole, Thanks for researching that information on the Jensen for me.
 

 Even though I get the theory of this device, I struggle with the applying math.
 Magnetic circuits always confuses me with not only the units but their measurements too.
 

 It's not like we can pick up a multimeter and actually measure the true reluctance is or how much flux density there is. 
 

 In practice it's easy to see the Lenz flux cancellation works.
 Getting the efficiency up is the hard part...for me anyway.
 

 I don't quite understand how Jensen's feedback winding is implemented?
 He talks about 'the output winding'  being in series with the output coils ...there's only one feedback winding but two output coils?
 

 I have been trying the setup with MOV transformers cause they already have stacked E & I cores. 
 The extra turns required on the side legs seem to give excessive voltage sag when loaded.
 

 We need something which works at 50 or 60Hz to be practical approach not several hundred Hertz or more.
 So modifying  standard transformers might be key.
 

 Gerry

Hi Ole
 I see you have split the AC action of the transformer into half, so that it is DC in one direction....Just as with the Thane design, I see no way logically that there will be a separation of the backwards inherent magnetic force, with the forward magneticforce, and perhaps it is the AC action required for this to hapeen such as a face to face collision of AC signal one way and delay- timed AC signal the other way so that there is a collisioan and my theory this collision happens at one of the three way juctions to left or right and the backwards magnetic flow forces take the easy route which is up and over the primary section, and over to the opposite secondary, at least in the Thane design.
 ciao
 Kone

Nice post Ole!
It makes good sense seeing it done in stages like that,

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On Mon, Jan 29, 2018 at 6:32 AM, [email protected] [EVGRAY] <
[email protected]> wrote:

>
>
> Heinz magnetic core circuit reduction to an EI-core with an air gap
>
> And the circuit with references for magnetomotoric forces, reluctances and
> magnetic fluxes:
>
> Regards
> Ole
>
>
>
> ---In [email protected], <onielsen@...> wrote :
>
>
> Hi Kone,
>
> The circles represents the magnetomotive force (mmf) and the rectangles
> represents the reluctance (Rm) or magnetic resistance to the magnetic
> flux [image: \Phi] ('magnetic current'). The mmf is A (Ampere) or A X
> turns which is the total amount of current going around the leg. With these
> three parameters a magnetic circuit works like Ohm's law for an electric
> circuit.
> The lines represents magnetic conductors having no reluctance (ideal
> conductors).
> https://wiki2.org/en/Magnetic_circuit
>
> "MAybe most important or just as important as including the reluctance
> value to the relcutcance boxes, is that there is, I count six "three-way"
> junctions to the Bitt transformer core drawing, while the Jensen has only
> two...at the top and the bottom of the primary..."
> The reluctance for the different legs and parts making up the magnetic
> circuit can be calculated. By using tables of magnetic properties the
> parameters for iron can be found and the cross sectional area of the legs
> and their lengths cam be found. This makes it possible to calculate the
> reluctances.
>
> When two resistors (or reluctances) are in series the resistance can be
> substituted with a single resistor having the value of the two series
> resistors added. For resistors in parallel they can also be substituted
> with a single resistor having the value of the two paralleled resistors
> (the value isn't just added when in parallel). By using these two rules the
> reluctances can be reduced to the simple circuit with few reluctances and
> some ideal magnetic conductors connecting them. Of course a real
> transformer core has its reluctance distributed along the magnetic
> conductors. The schematic model makes it much easier to calculate the
> circuit than using distributed reluctance along the magnetic paths.
>
> Regards
> Ole
>
>
>
>
> ---In [email protected], <konehead@...> wrote :
>
> Hi Ole
>
> I think the drawing of the Thane transformer is not quite correct, as I
> assume the circles represent the three coil windings, and the rectangular
> boxes represent  the transformer legs "reluctance" as you call
> them...:"nagnetic paths" might be another term to use for those boxes and
> it is important that their magnetic-resistance fo magnetic flow
> ("reluctance" to flow) should also be included in each those boxes, as they
> all are not the same resistance to magnetic flow, some paths have skinny
> transformer legs, some have much thicker transformer legs,
>
> For example the large rectangular box in your drawing i in my Bitt core
> made of florist wire, is three times thicker than the rest of thoise inner
> transformer legs.
>
> This is the advice that Gerry gave to me a couple weeks ago, since you
> want to make sure that the magnetic flow has a very strong path to the
> opposite side secondary....So I added three times the number of florist
> wire lengths to my core "perimeter"  and it is three times thicker
>
> Tthere should also be three more rectanfular reluctance boxes in the
> drawing, each underneath the three circles representing the coils, this
> regardless of the thicknesses of the cores, it is just something missing in
> the drawing.
>
>
> MAybe most important or just as important as including the reluctance
> value to the relcutcance boxes, is that there is, I count six "three-way"
> junctions to the Bitt transformer core drawing, while the Jensen has only
> two...at the top and the bottom of the primary...
>
>
> And the three way junctions being excluded are actually the most important
> detail of the BiTT transformer! As those two outside three way junctions on
> the left, and the other two on the right are where the back-currents
> "Decide" which route to take, and that is, back to the primary and reflect
> as extra draw and never overunity, or back across to the opposite side
> secondary, where the power produced in the secondaries becomes
> additive-power (coherent?)
>
>
> ciao
>
> Kone
>
>
>
>
> 
>

Hi Gerry
 I understand the drawing show half an AC cycle, and understand what the circles represent, what the boxes represent...
 Still, there is that time period between polarity shifts not represented in the drawings!
 Imagine this to be one millisecond or one nano second- perhaps it is even a bit of  "negative time" who knows but the polarity shift event has something special to it I think and I think this is the time where it is "possible" to split the backemf forces that are "inherent" to forward current flow away from the forward current flow, and the backemf forces are now free to go wherever the resistance is less, and in case of BiTT, this decision which road to take happens at either the top two three-way junctions next to secondaries, or when polarity shifts with AC, the bottom two three way junctions...
 ciao
 Kone

Hi Doug, 

 Here's my attempt to answer...
 "And my question is "what is it" that splits the backemf magnetic forces from the forward forces, and this split enables the backemf to take that lower resistance route back to the opposite secondary in the BiTT transformer?
 Maybe just the proper time-delay?"

 

 Usually in standard transformer Bemf flux opposes the flux which created it, in our case it's the input flux.
 So Bemf travels in opposite direction to input flux... in most cases.
 

 It doesn't matter if the total flux is 90% Bemf and only 10% input flux or 50% to 50% or what ever ratio.
 When the total flux going in a single direction 'sees' more than one path it will divide up in the ratio of how 'easy' the paths are to follow.  
 

 If one path is 80% easier than the other then 80% of total will go that way and 20% the harder way.
 

 But whatever the ratio of Bemf flux to input flux is, it will not change in either the easy or difficult paths.
 

 So whilst the paths are split the total ratio of input to Bemf flux doesn't change at all.
 

 In the BITT though,  they try to make the input flux path more difficult to follow by raising it's resistance or reluctance.
 With air gaps, different materials with different permeability values, less cross sectional area etc.
 

 So that the input flux value is governed more by input resistance of the path itself. Plus how much mmf magnetising force our input coil exerts mA Turns.
 

 Also in BITT they try to make the Bemf path from each output coil (where it is created) a very low loss path, compared to the input path.
 Almost equivalent to a short circuit to this output Bemf current or flux.
 

 The Bemf flux is travelling back the opposite way from the output coil, it 'sees' a difficult high loss way back to the input or a low loss path via the opposite output coil core and back again.
 By taking this 2nd route the Bemf flux on one core re enforces the input flux on the opposite coil core ...enhancing the output flux. And vice versa for the other output coil.
 

 

 The other part: Timing..... Maybe just the proper time-delay?"
 In a standard transformer or even a BITT we can use Bemf flux to our advantage.
 Remembering that the flux rises & falls rhythmically with the current.
 

 If we can arrange for a time delay between the input flux reaching the output coils such that. 
 The load does not try to draw current (creating a Bemf ) until after the first 1/4 cycle zero to 90 degrees has elapsed.
 After the first 90 degrees or approx 12.5 milliseconds at 50Hz the flux itself changes direction and starts to diminish.
 If our Bemf flux can arrive back at the input after this time, the the magnitude of the collapsing field will increase rather than decrease. Helping us.
 Meaning we need less input current to create this amount of flux so our input impedance goes up instead of down.
 

 That's what Tesla was doing with the patent Ole posted & what I try to do with the magnetically shielded wire.
 

 Sorry for rant but is not easy to explain in few words.
 Gerry

Hi Gerry
 Yes I understand  Ole's drawings is half cycle frozen in time, that's what I meant by  it is DC (and half the AC cycle)
 Also understand what the circles represent, and the rectangular boxes....
 However what would be very interesting would be the actual polarity shift at the "zero-point", now frozen in time, and 5 dimensional drawing explaining what exaclu happens then...  Perhaps this is just a nano second in time, perhaps becomes negative time (warp) and is where a sort of vaccum is made and aether-energy pulls in from surrounding environment (or other dimension) who knows
 

 Anyways my question still is unanswered which is OK! 
 And my question is "what is it" that splits the backemf magnetic forces from the forward forces, and this split enables the backemf to take that lower resistance route back to the opposite secondary in the BiTT transformer?
 Maybe just the proper time-delay?
 

 Also similar question is in  UDT or BiTT, just what is it that prevents backemf magnetic forces to reflect back to primary?....And this too, I think, would require a "split" of the backemf magnetic forces from the forward magnetic forces that they are inherently combined with?
 

 My guess still is that there is a collision at the three way junctions of the BiTT core next to the secondaries (four of these two at top two at bottom)
 Perhaps this collision occurs "naturally" because of the core design? (this would be  very convenient ! !)
 Maybe it depends on all the variables like frequency, inductance of coils, reluctance of core sections,, and particular resistive load to have "ttiming" conditions where this collision of forward and backward time-delayed forces collide and split the backemf into taking the alternate-route of lower resistance.....sorry about konehead-theory world....
 ciao
 Kone

Hi Doug,
No not at all .....Ole is showing ac equivalent circuits there.
It's just like if we stopped the ac sources instantly at a moment in time.
Like taking a photo freezing everything.... the arrows show the different
fluxes and their paths at that moment.

The circle in the centre is the input coil driving the circuit.
The outer circles are the "virtual generators" formed by back emf current
coming from the loads.

The square blocks are the magnetic resistances or reluctances.

It's a great shame we don't have a meeting place or a clubhouse to share &
explain stuff to each other.
We'd all be better off ...including me.
Gerry




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On Mon, Jan 29, 2018 at 5:41 PM, [email protected] [EVGRAY] <
[email protected]> wrote:

>
>
> Hi Ole
>
> I see you have split the AC action of the transformer into half, so that
> it is DC in one direction....Just as with the Thane design, I see no way
> logically that there will be a separation of the backwards inherent
> magnetic force, with the forward magneticforce, and perhaps it is the AC
> action required for this to hapeen such as a face to face collision of AC
> signal one way and delay- timed AC signal the other way so that there is a
> collisioan and my theory this collision happens at one of the three way
> juctions to left or right and the backwards magnetic flow forces take the
> easy route which is up and over the primary section, and over to the
> opposite secondary, at least in the Thane design.
>
> ciao
>
> Kone
>
>
> 
>

Hi Kone,

"And my question is "what is it" that splits the backemf magnetic forces from the forward forces, and this split enables the backemf to take that lower resistance route back to the opposite secondary in the BiTT transformer? Maybe just the proper time-delay?"

As the flux prefers the path having the least reluctance the reflected flux from the secondaries tends to take the path through the outer ring instead of going back to the center leg. When the windings of the side legs are connected in series and having the same turn numbers they share the same current to generate the same magnetomotive force (mmf) in each side leg. When the side windings are put in phase (i.e. the dot end of one side connected to the no dot end of the other side) the reflected flux of one side leg reinforces the flux of the opposite leg. The secondary legs are in parallel with the primary leg but in series to each other current vise..

Consider the moment where the mmf of the primary (P) points up the flux also flows up (source) and divides equally to each of the secondaries (S1 and S2). With the winding direction shown the current enters the no dot end at the bottom (right hand rule). The generated current of the secondaries (when loaded) has their mmfs pointing up too to cancel the flux of the current from the primary (Lenz's law). The generated current in the secondaries has the current exit the no dot end to cancel the source flux of the primary winding (right hand rule). But as connected in series the current of one secondary enters the other secondary in the opposite direction to actually reinforce the flux of the opposite secondary. I.e. the opposite secondary sees the flux from the primary as well as the flux from its other secondary as being in phase. E.g. the Lenz generated flux of S1 flows up (its mmf points up) to tend to cancel the flux of the primary and then continues around the ring going down S2 (same direction as the flux from P). The same happens in the opposite direction from the other secondary S2.


The magnetic field moves at a finite speed slower in a magnetic core than through the air. My guess is that the waves making up the magnetic field which is coherent generated from the incredible number of charge carriers moving along the turns of a leg becomes coherent between the separate windings S1 and S2 sharing the same current. It's like LASER light. As the energy density is squared when the fields becomes coherent this could explain any excess energy or power output from the transformer.

One problem is that it is hard to tune the parameters for that OU effect. Any change in a parameter seems to make it go out of OU. I may have to redo my measurements with the bridged amplifier instead of the measurements done with the single ended amplifier. Distortion of the output signal by power supply pumping may cause the excess power output. At least this has to be known before making any claim valid. The problem is increasing input power to the amplifier when the reactive power to the transformer is increased. Reactive power should only take some initial amount of energy and enough real power to make up for any loss like resistance in the wires and connected components of the primary tank circuit and the amplifier itself.

 
Regards
Ole



 

---In [email protected], <konehead@...> wrote :

 Hi Gerry
 Yes I understand  Ole's drawings is half cycle frozen in time, that's what I meant by  it is DC (and half the AC cycle)
 Also understand what the circles represent, and the rectangular boxes....
 However what would be very interesting would be the actual polarity shift at the "zero-point", now frozen in time, and 5 dimensional drawing explaining what exaclu happens then...  Perhaps this is just a nano second in time, perhaps becomes negative time (warp) and is where a sort of vaccum is made and aether-energy pulls in from surrounding environment (or other dimension) who knows
 

 Anyways my question still is unanswered which is OK!
 And my question is "what is it" that splits the backemf magnetic forces from the forward forces, and this split enables the backemf to take that lower resistance route back to the opposite secondary in the BiTT transformer?
 Maybe just the proper time-delay?
 

 Also similar question is in  UDT or BiTT, just what is it that prevents backemf magnetic forces to reflect back to primary?....And this too, I think, would require a "split" of the backemf magnetic forces from the forward magnetic forces that they are inherently combined with?
 

 My guess still is that there is a collision at the three way junctions of the BiTT core next to the secondaries (four of these two at top two at bottom)
 Perhaps this collision occurs "naturally" because of the core design? (this would be  very convenient ! !)
 Maybe it depends on all the variables like frequency, inductance of coils, reluctance of core sections,, and particular resistive load to have "ttiming" conditions where this collision of forward and backward time-delayed forces collide and split the backemf into taking the alternate-route of lower resistance.....sorry about konehead-theory world....
 ciao
 Kone