Bi-torroid transformer Kurt Kokinen 8W out 4Win

Hi all
 This guy is one of my favorite experimenters - for example he gets twice as much out as in, and what does he say about that? "hmmm what do you know...."
 Look how he makes a very simple bitorroid transformer from ferrite rings, also he is bulletproof to skeptics since he knows what he is doing, explains it well, and and does good simple measurements and is obvious to all not faking or boasting...
 Looks like he takes the 12V from battery runs it through a simple "0 volt" switching circuit to make and AC signal from the DC.,....then runs this into the bitorroid at a frequency I am not sure of (anyone know?) then he rectifies  and smooths with cap the two secondaries of the bi-torroid and gets twice as much power out as in not too bad eh...
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cm-YQdfEqBA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cm-YQdfEqBA
 here is another one of his videos, of comparison to standard transformer:
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ivm8aaQu00w https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ivm8aaQu00w

DougThis zero switching power supply, what is it?I noticed that the movers found an ancient square wave inverter in my basement storage area which was packed amoung my stuff.It is super simple. Just on and off to a transformerCheers Warren
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  On Wed, Jan 17, 2018 at 8:46 AM, [email protected] [EVGRAY]<[email protected]> wrote:       


Hi all

This guy is one of my favorite experimenters - for example he gets twice as much out as in, and what does he say about that? "hmmm what do you know...."

Look how he makes a very simple bitorroid transformer from ferrite rings, also he is bulletproof to skeptics since he knows what he is doing, explains it well, and and does good simple measurements and is obvious to all not faking or boasting...

Looks like he takes the 12V from battery runs it through a simple "0 volt" switching circuit to make and AC signal from the DC.,....then runs this into the bitorroid at a frequency I am not sure of (anyone know?) then he rectifies  and smooths with cap the two secondaries of the bi-torroid and gets twice as much power out as in not too bad eh...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cm-YQdfEqBA

here is another one of his videos, of comparison to standard transformer:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ivm8aaQu00w
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Hi Warren
 I am not sure about KKs invertor circuit, some people in comments asked to see his circuit to turn the DC into AC but I did not see him respond with a link or any information to the circuit but it must be very simple, as the circuit board is shown and itlooks super simple ....maybe in earilier videos he explains also you could pop him a note on comments or direct to his channel or whatever....I will guess it is a signal generator (which he is using in the 2nd video I posted) that drives some sort of 555 circuit that inverts the signal every other time and to make a good sinewave the inversion would happen at zero voltage.....probably your square wave thing will work perfectly fine...
 I am planning on making a bitorroid transformer here in Minsk with bundled green eneameled soft steel flortst wire as the core material and make sure the flux gets carried over from one secondary to the other with that extra flux-bar-path top and bottom...
 ciaoKone

The hertz sounds high that sound is not good. He said "Center Tap" primary..
 

    On Wednesday, January 17, 2018, 11:24:05 AM MST, [email protected] [EVGRAY] <[email protected]> wrote:  
 
     


Hi Warren

I am not sure about KKs invertor circuit, some people in comments asked to see his circuit to turn the DC into AC but I did not see him respond with a link or any information to the circuit but it must be very simple, as the circuit board is shown and itlooks super simple ....maybe in earilier videos he explains also you could pop him a note on comments or direct to his channel or whatever....I will guess it is a signal generator (which he is using in the 2nd video I posted) that drives some sort of 555 circuit that inverts the signal every other time and to make a good sinewave the inversion would happen at zero voltage.....probably your square wave thing will work perfectly fine...

I am planning on making a bitorroid transformer here in Minsk with bundled green eneameled soft steel flortst wire as the core material and make sure the flux gets carried over from one secondary to the other with that extra flux-bar-path top and bottom...

ciaoKone

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Hi Machinatous
 I got your email, since replying I watched again the video, now I see what you mean - the primary on his BiTT is a center-tapped primary, whereas in an earlier video he had some sort of DC pulsing circuit ....so I will guess he is saying that it works much better with the "zero volt" circuit feed sending in battery power directly into the transformer, going hough the center tapped primary....and that is how he makes the AC into and out of the transformer...Still not sure exactly what the zero voltage circuit is but guess
 something simple considering his circuit board and components.I need to watch the 2nd video again now...
 ciao
 Kone

Hi Machinatuos and all
 I just watched the 2nd video, with a comparison to a conventional transformer, and there is that annoying high pitch throughout and this he says in the 2nd video is 2.93khz....so went back to the 1st video with the center-tapped primary (there is no center tapped primary in 2nd video) and in the first video that same high pitch is there too, and it sure sounds exactly the same pitch and frequency just listening to the two to compare, so I will assume the frequency going into the BiTT in first video shown 4W in and 8W out is 2.93KHZ also.....however he mentions in 2nd video that it is DC pulsed feed into that transformer (with no center tapped primary), but in 1st video with the 8W out from 4W in, it is again the 2.93khz, but it is now AC because of the center tapped primary and now not DC pulsed....so if you look at frequency being the "entire sinewave" how many times per second, now perhaps it would be 1.45khz you would/could say in AC but regardless, what comes out from the DC pulsed "zero voltage" power source sure seems the same at that 2.93khz pitch and frequency...
 ciao
 Kone

Hi DougSounds like a good idea.What was that "Pig Screamer" that Tom McKay made?He makes some pretty impressive gear.That I have seen although I didn't understand the full weight of the problem back then, not even having a working RV yet when I saw him.Cheers Warren

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  On Wed, Jan 17, 2018 at 1:24 PM, [email protected] [EVGRAY]<[email protected]> wrote:       


Hi Warren

I am not sure about KKs invertor circuit, some people in comments asked to see his circuit to turn the DC into AC but I did not see him respond with a link or any information to the circuit but it must be very simple, as the circuit board is shown and itlooks super simple ....maybe in earilier videos he explains also you could pop him a note on comments or direct to his channel or whatever....I will guess it is a signal generator (which he is using in the 2nd video I posted) that drives some sort of 555 circuit that inverts the signal every other time and to make a good sinewave the inversion would happen at zero voltage.....probably your square wave thing will work perfectly fine...

I am planning on making a bitorroid transformer here in Minsk with bundled green eneameled soft steel flortst wire as the core material and make sure the flux gets carried over from one secondary to the other with that extra flux-bar-path top and bottom...

ciaoKone

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