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Hello Warren, have you a circuit from the daisy chain?
Best regards
Sven


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Sven

I have only tried the experiment twice with only DC motors the first one , using big 3/4 hp or larger units , a success, and the second, using toy motors which was a failure.
Cheers Warren

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On Thu, Dec 14, 2017 at 5:43 AM, [email protected] [EVGRAY]
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Hello Warren,

Have you tried the Daisychain with such engines, except for the permanent magnets, the engines work similarly with brushes.
The Siemens engine that you have is certainly from a washing machine so I have one.
regards
Sven

Hi Sven,

See message 100801:
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/EVGRAY/conversations/messages/100801 https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/EVGRAY/conversations/messages/100801


Regards
Ole
 

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 Hello Warren, have you a circuit from the daisy chain?
 Best regards
 Sven
 

 

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Datum:14.12.2017 15:51 (GMT+01:00) 
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   Sven
 I have only tried the experiment twice with only DC motors the first one , using big 3/4 hp or larger units , a success, and the second, using toy motors which was a failure.
 Cheers Warren

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 On Thu, Dec 14, 2017 at 5:43 AM, s.friedrich@... [EVGRAY]
 <[email protected]> wrote:

   Hello Warren,

Have you tried the Daisychain with such engines, except for the permanent magnets, the engines work similarly with brushes.
The Siemens engine that you have is certainly from a washing machine so I have one.
regards
Sven

Do not remember much from the old days
but what about more germanium diodes between? Could be a linear increase of voltage acting as a tank for increased continuation of amperages. Kinda like a tank .  Just a quick thought. Maybe does not need it.



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Date: 2017-12-14 5:52 PM (GMT-05:00)
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Subject: Warren's daisy chain motors - Re: AW: Re: Aw: Re: [EVGRAY] Most lightning active point on planet



Hi Sven,

See message 100801:
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/EVGRAY/conversations/messages/100801

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Regards
Ole


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Hello Warren, have you a circuit from the daisy chain?
Best regards
Sven


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Sven

I have only tried the experiment twice with only DC motors the first one , using big 3/4 hp or larger units , a success, and the second, using toy motors which was a failure.
Cheers Warren

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On Thu, Dec 14, 2017 at 5:43 AM, s.friedrich@... [EVGRAY]
<[email protected]> wrote:


Hello Warren,

Have you tried the Daisychain with such engines, except for the permanent magnets, the engines work similarly with brushes.
The Siemens engine that you have is certainly from a washing machine so I have one.
regards
Sven

It would be more interesting to know what kind of motors to use. Toy motors don't work according to Warren. The ones used were they high efficiency motors which toy motors definitely aren't? Cheap motors have an efficiency of max 60% while high efficiency motors may have an efficiency of 90% or more.

Google on Bosch DC motors: https://www.google.dk/search?biw=1180&bih=1096&tbm=isch&sa=1&ei=tw4zWvGMKJLQsAe-pIzAAw&q=bosch+dc+motors&oq=bosch+DC+motors&gs_l=psy-ab.3.0.0.64895.65615.0.70098.3.3.0.0.0.0.89.219.3.3.0....0...1c.1.64.psy-ab..0.2.155...0i67k1j0i7i30k1j0i30k1j0i8i30k1j0i24k1.0.yiJpEnqYCUk https://www.google.dk/search?biw=1180&bih=1096&tbm=isch&sa=1&ei=tw4zWvGMKJLQsAe-pIzAAw&q=bosch+dc+motors&oq=bosch+DC+motors&gs_l=psy-ab.3.0.0.64895.65615.0.70098.3.3.0.0.0.0.89.219.3.3.0....0...1c.1.64.psy-ab..0.2.155...0i67k1j0i7i30k1j0i30k1j0i8i30k1j0i24k1.0.yiJpEnqYCUk

Regards
Ole
 

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 Do not remember much from the old days
 but what about more germanium diodes between? Could be a linear increase of voltage acting as a tank for increased continuation of amperages. Kinda like a tank .  Just a quick thought. Maybe does not need it.
 

 

 

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 From: "onielsen@... [EVGRAY]" <[email protected]> 
 Date: 2017-12-14 5:52 PM (GMT-05:00) 
 To: [email protected] 
 Subject: Warren's daisy chain motors - Re: AW: Re: Aw: Re: [EVGRAY] Most lightning active point on planet 
 
   Hi Sven,
 
 See message 100801:
 https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/EVGRAY/conversations/messages/100801 https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/EVGRAY/conversations/messages/100801
 
 
 Regards
 Ole

 
 
 ---In [email protected], <s.friedrich@...> wrote :
 
 Hello Warren, have you a circuit from the daisy chain?
 Best regards
 Sven
 

 

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   Sven
 I have only tried the experiment twice with only DC motors the first one , using big 3/4 hp or larger units , a success, and the second, using toy motors which was a failure.
 Cheers Warren
 
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 On Thu, Dec 14, 2017 at 5:43 AM, s.friedrich@... [EVGRAY]
 <[email protected]> wrote:

   Hello Warren,
 
 Have you tried the Daisychain with such engines, except for the permanent magnets, the engines work similarly with brushes.
 The Siemens engine that you have is certainly from a washing machine so I have one.
 regards
 Sven

Whoah guysThat is not right. There are two full wave bridge rectifiers with four diodes in each.AC in, DC out. That DC goes to the motor brushes. Now, place another full wave brige rectifier, AC legs down , connected one to each brush.Next, take those DC output legs coming out of that rectifier, and connect it to another DC motor....add yet another rectifier, AC legs down and another motor, and so on......Sorry, I still only have my phone.Cheers Warren

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  On Thu, Dec 14, 2017 at 5:52 PM, [email protected] [EVGRAY]<[email protected]> wrote:       
Hi Sven,

See message 100801:
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/EVGRAY/conversations/messages/100801


Regards
Ole



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Hello Warren, have you a circuit from the daisy chain?Best regardsSven

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Datum:14.12.2017 15:51 (GMT+01:00) 
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Sven
I have only tried the experiment twice with only DC motors the first one , using big 3/4 hp or larger units , a success, and the second, using toy motors which was a failure.Cheers Warren

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On Thu, Dec 14, 2017 at 5:43 AM, s.friedrich@... [EVGRAY]<[email protected]> wrote: 
Hello Warren,

Have you tried the Daisychain with such engines, except for the permanent magnets, the engines work similarly with brushes.
The Siemens engine that you have is certainly from a washing machine so I have one.
regards
Sven




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Hello Ole,

what does the circuit look like now?

One FWBR after another switch in parallel and one motor each?

Or how Warren writes all FWBR connected in series and connect all motors directly to the rectified AC voltage?

I have a Siemens 1Hu permanent magnet motor for earlier DC servo drives. I think these spikes would also produce the universal motors from washing machines when they are operated with DC.

regards

Sven

Hi Warren,

I do not quite understand that now, the circuit has re-posted the Ole is right then, please make a sketch?

Or do you turn on the DC side of the FWBR to the brushes of the motor with plus and minus reversed to change the polarity so that only the spikes can flow into the other engine.

regards

Sven

It is my understanding.

Greeting

Sven

Hi Ole
 I think the most important feature of DC motors, if they will work or not, with Warren's daisy chain FWBR experiment, 
 is if the DC motors have any sort of  suppresion of the spark-flash at the brushes, such as some DC motors will have a diode that simply shoots the spike right back into the windings, some DC motors will have the placement of the brush-spacing to be just right so that the spike does not manifest at cetain rpms , some DC motors might have a magnet near the brushes to suppress the spike flash.....I would think you would want DC motors with no form of spark flash suppression for this experiment to work as it did for Warren.
 ciaoKone

SvenIt was not my intention, but now that you question me, perhaps that was possible.For the life of me, I really am not sure why it worked, only that it did work, and work extremely well.When I first performed the experiment, I received no feed back from the group, when reporting the results, which I confess, sort of disapointed me.
Yahoo has in the past, throttled the traffic in our group, I believe.Then, I got very busy with work, and had to put my toys away for quite a few months, when new devices were being discovered, distracting me, as usual.Cheers warren
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  On Fri, Dec 15, 2017 at 6:04 AM, [email protected] [EVGRAY]<[email protected]> wrote:       
Hi Warren,

I do not quite understand that now, the circuit has re-posted the Ole is right then, please make a sketch?

Or do you turn on the DC side of the FWBR to the brushes of the motor with plus and minus reversed to change the polarity so that only the spikes can flow into the other engine.

regards

Sven
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SvenKeep using full wave rectifiers rather than single diodes, then you have it.I suspect it is a very noisy signal coming from the sparking armature comutator, and brushes.This all begs for proper instrumentation, and analysis.Cheers Warren

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  On Fri, Dec 15, 2017 at 6:25 AM, [email protected] [EVGRAY]<[email protected]> wrote:       
It is my understanding.

Greeting

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DougThe motors I have been using are extremely simple except for the optical readers which I removed as surplus to my needs, when using them as generators.I have never seen any funny stuff inside any of them when I have pulled them apart. I have always been impressed with how rugged they are built, capable of a lot of abuse at my hands.Cheers Warren

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Hi Ole

I think the most important feature of DC motors, if they will work or not, with Warren's daisy chain FWBR experiment, 

is if the DC motors have any sort of  suppresion of the spark-flash at the brushes, such as some DC motors will have a diode that simply shoots the spike right back into the windings, some DC motors will have the placement of the brush-spacing to be just right so that the spike does not manifest at cetain rpms , some DC motors might have a magnet near the brushes to suppress the spike flash.....I would think you would want DC motors with no form of spark flash suppression for this experiment to work as it did for Warren.

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Hi Kone,

As motors and generators are the same component they can transform energy between mechanical and electrical states. As well as the transformation between different kinds of energy they can store both of these kinds of energy thus making them work as both active and reactive power components. The diode bridges (a single diode between each motor would give less loss) prevent power from going back in the daisy chain. If monitoring the speed perhaps pulses of power is operating across the chain.

I can get cheap motors but don't know if they'll work for such an experiment. The high efficient motors work very well as generators (dynamos) but are expensive. It would be nice to know how efficient the motors have to be or what kind of motors that work for the experiment.

Regards
Ole
 

---In [email protected], <konehead@...> wrote :

 Hi Ole
 I think the most important feature of DC motors, if they will work or not, with Warren's daisy chain FWBR experiment,
 is if the DC motors have any sort of  suppresion of the spark-flash at the brushes, such as some DC motors will have a diode that simply shoots the spike right back into the windings, some DC motors will have the placement of the brush-spacing to be just right so that the spike does not manifest at cetain rpms , some DC motors might have a magnet near the brushes to suppress the spike flash.....I would think you would want DC motors with no form of spark flash suppression for this experiment to work as it did for Warren.
 ciaoKone

Hi Warren,

Do you know what kind of motor you used like have you opened one? Are they ironless rotor kinds? Are they high efficiency types like the ironless rotor types etc? I guess they're expensive professional motors right? If there's a brand name and a type number we could look them up in a datasheet to see what kind of motors they are.

Regards
Ole
 

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 Doug The motors I have been using are extremely simple except for the optical readers which I removed as surplus to my needs, when using them as generators.
 I have never seen any funny stuff inside any of them when I have pulled them apart. I have always been impressed with how rugged they are built, capable of a lot of abuse at my hands.
 Cheers Warren

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 Hi Ole
 I think the most important feature of DC motors, if they will work or not, with Warren's daisy chain FWBR experiment,
 is if the DC motors have any sort of  suppresion of the spark-flash at the brushes, such as some DC motors will have a diode that simply shoots the spike right back into the windings, some DC motors will have the placement of the brush-spacing to be just right so that the spike does not manifest at cetain rpms , some DC motors might have a magnet near the brushes to suppress the spike flash.....I would think you would want DC motors with no form of spark flash suppression for this experiment to work as it did for Warren.
 ciaoKone

OleThe motors don't seem to be super magnets or anything like them, more the ferrrite magnet type.I have had to crazy glue the occasional motor magnets back in place, and looking at these magnets, found them nothig special.
Cheers Warren
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  On Fri, Dec 15, 2017 at 2:13 PM, [email protected] [EVGRAY]<[email protected]> wrote:       
Hi Kone,

As motors and generators are the same component they can transform energy between mechanical and electrical states. As well as the transformation between different kinds of energy they can store both of these kinds of energy thus making them work as both active and reactive power components. The diode bridges (a single diode between each motor would give less loss) prevent power from going back in the daisy chain. If monitoring the speed perhaps pulses of power is operating across the chain.

I can get cheap motors but don't know if they'll work for such an experiment. The high efficient motors work very well as generators (dynamos) but are expensive. It would be nice to know how efficient the motors have to be or what kind of motors that work for the experiment.

Regards
Ole



---In [email protected], <konehead@...> wrote :


Hi Ole

I think the most important feature of DC motors, if they will work or not, with Warren's daisy chain FWBR experiment,

is if the DC motors have any sort of  suppresion of the spark-flash at the brushes, such as some DC motors will have a diode that simply shoots the spike right back into the windings, some DC motors will have the placement of the brush-spacing to be just right so that the spike does not manifest at cetain rpms , some DC motors might have a magnet near the brushes to suppress the spike flash.....I would think you would want DC motors with no form of spark flash suppression for this experiment to work as it did for Warren.

ciaoKone

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OleThey are not fancy inside, well enough made, but quite ordinary, as permanent magnet motors.
The shafts are all 5/8", though some have been machined down outside the bearing to 1/2".There were some four brush types, but most were 2 brush. The only slightly high tech aspect is that they are early type prmanent magnet motors, as opposed to field coil magnet types.The magnets are cresent shaped ferrite type, and the commutators are copper, with carbon brushes.Each one weighs at least 3 kilos, or more.I hope this is some help to you.I can't get to my motors until I can start unpacking next week. The house things will happen first.Cheers Warren
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  On Fri, Dec 15, 2017 at 2:22 PM, [email protected] [EVGRAY]<[email protected]> wrote:       
Hi Warren,

Do you know what kind of motor you used like have you opened one? Are they ironless rotor kinds? Are they high efficiency types like the ironless rotor types etc? I guess they're expensive professional motors right? If there's a brand name and a type number we could look them up in a datasheet to see what kind of motors they are.

Regards
Ole



---In [email protected], <schoonersolsticemoon@...> wrote :

DougThe motors I have been using are extremely simple except for the optical readers which I removed as surplus to my needs, when using them as generators.I have never seen any funny stuff inside any of them when I have pulled them apart. I have always been impressed with how rugged they are built, capable of a lot of abuse at my hands.Cheers Warren

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On Fri, Dec 15, 2017 at 11:05 AM, konehead@... [EVGRAY]<[email protected]> wrote: 


Hi Ole

I think the most important feature of DC motors, if they will work or not, with Warren's daisy chain FWBR experiment,

is if the DC motors have any sort of  suppresion of the spark-flash at the brushes, such as some DC motors will have a diode that simply shoots the spike right back into the windings, some DC motors will have the placement of the brush-spacing to be just right so that the spike does not manifest at cetain rpms , some DC motors might have a magnet near the brushes to suppress the spike flash.....I would think you would want DC motors with no form of spark flash suppression for this experiment to work as it did for Warren.

ciaoKone



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Hi Warren,

OK. But the motors have to be big enough to have some inertia then?

If looking at Kapanadze's mechanical device which I call a rotating torsional pendulum my guess is that it coheres the inertia of the two flywheels to get the free energy. The input pulses have to be in resonance or perhaps one octave above or below the resonant frequency to extract the free energy. The same may apply for your daisy chain motors. This perhaps is achieved as the motors are similar enough regarding inertia, voltage, power and frequency of the input pulses (100 Hz or 120 Hz or whatever the double rectified frequency is in Canada).

Regards
Ole
 

---In [email protected], <schoonersolsticemoon@...> wrote :

 Ole The motors don't seem to be super magnets or anything like them, more the ferrrite magnet type.
 I have had to crazy glue the occasional motor magnets back in place, and looking at these magnets, found them nothig special.
Cheers Warren
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 On Fri, Dec 15, 2017 at 2:13 PM, onielsen@... [EVGRAY]
 <[email protected]> wrote:

   Hi Kone,

As motors and generators are the same component they can transform energy between mechanical and electrical states. As well as the transformation between different kinds of energy they can store both of these kinds of energy thus making them work as both active and reactive power components. The diode bridges (a single diode between each motor would give less loss) prevent power from going back in the daisy chain. If monitoring the speed perhaps pulses of power is operating across the chain.

I can get cheap motors but don't know if they'll work for such an experiment. The high efficient motors work very well as generators (dynamos) but are expensive. It would be nice to know how efficient the motors have to be or what kind of motors that work for the experiment.

Regards
Ole

 

---In [email protected], <konehead@...> wrote :

 Hi Ole
 I think the most important feature of DC motors, if they will work or not, with Warren's daisy chain FWBR experiment,
 is if the DC motors have any sort of  suppresion of the spark-flash at the brushes, such as some DC motors will have a diode that simply shoots the spike right back into the windings, some DC motors will have the placement of the brush-spacing to be just right so that the spike does not manifest at cetain rpms , some DC motors might have a magnet near the brushes to suppress the spike flash.....I would think you would want DC motors with no form of spark flash suppression for this experiment to work as it did for Warren.
 ciaoKone

Concerning no Liz motor in the piezoelectric area they say it puts out 10
times the energy by impact  .could a generator be made ?  The three phase
baldor motors use some type of piezo effect .from what I've read .

On Dec 15, 2017 15:42, "Warren Keillor [email protected]
[EVGRAY]" <[email protected]> wrote:

>
>
> Ole
> They are not fancy inside, well enough made, but quite ordinary, as
> permanent magnet motors.
> The shafts are all 5/8", though some have been machined down outside the
> bearing to 1/2".
> There were some four brush types, but most were 2 brush. The only slightly
> high tech aspect is that they are early type prmanent magnet motors, as
> opposed to field coil magnet types.
> The magnets are cresent shaped ferrite type, and the commutators are
> copper, with carbon brushes.
> Each one weighs at least 3 kilos, or more.
> I hope this is some help to you.
> I can't get to my motors until I can start unpacking next week. The house
> things will happen first.
> Cheers Warren
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
> <https://overview.mail.yahoo.com/mobile/?.src=Android>
>
> On Fri, Dec 15, 2017 at 2:22 PM, [email protected] [EVGRAY]
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
> Hi Warren,
>
> Do you know what kind of motor you used like have you opened one? Are they
> ironless rotor kinds? Are they high efficiency types like the ironless
> rotor types etc? I guess they're expensive professional motors right? If
> there's a brand name and a type number we could look them up in a datasheet
> to see what kind of motors they are.
>
> Regards
> Ole
>
>
> ---In [email protected], <schoonersolsticemoon@...> wrote :
>
> Doug
> The motors I have been using are extremely simple except for the optical
> readers which I removed as surplus to my needs, when using them as
> generators.
> I have never seen any funny stuff inside any of them when I have pulled
> them apart. I have always been impressed with how rugged they are built,
> capable of a lot of abuse at my hands.
> Cheers Warren
>
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
> <https://overview.mail.yahoo.com/mobile/?.src=Android>
>
> On Fri, Dec 15, 2017 at 11:05 AM, konehead@... [EVGRAY]
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
> Hi Ole
>
> I think the most important feature of DC motors, if they will work or not,
> with Warren's daisy chain FWBR experiment,
>
> is if the DC motors have any sort of  suppresion of the spark-flash at the
> brushes, such as some DC motors will have a diode that simply shoots the
> spike right back into the windings, some DC motors will have the placement
> of the brush-spacing to be just right so that the spike does not manifest
> at cetain rpms , some DC motors might have a magnet near the brushes to
> suppress the spike flash.....I would think you would want DC motors with no
> form of spark flash suppression for this experiment to work as it did for
> Warren.
>
> ciaoKone
>
> 
>

OleThe fact that the #10 motor flipped over on switching on start up, and fell off the bench, perhaps gives an indication of the intense torque of the starting inertia, given the weight of these motors.My experiment was not planned, as it was more a spontaneous event, making use of a large supply of motors, bridge rectifiers, and Doug's theory. I just tried it then, because I happened to have everything handy at the moment, and it was Doug's topic, I was testing.Then, holy shit! It worked like crazy much to my complete, and unanticipated surprise.
I was not prepared for such a success with careful documentation, or video.Fortunately my friends dropping by, were able to witness it going like mad for over a half an hour at least.Cheers Warren
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  On Fri, Dec 15, 2017 at 5:14 PM, [email protected] [EVGRAY]<[email protected]> wrote:       
Hi Warren,

OK. But the motors have to be big enough to have some inertia then?

If looking at Kapanadze's mechanical device which I call a rotating torsional pendulum my guess is that it coheres the inertia of the two flywheels to get the free energy. The input pulses have to be in resonance or perhaps one octave above or below the resonant frequency to extract the free energy. The same may apply for your daisy chain motors. This perhaps is achieved as the motors are similar enough regarding inertia, voltage, power and frequency of the input pulses (100 Hz or 120 Hz or whatever the double rectified frequency is in Canada).

Regards
Ole



---In [email protected], <schoonersolsticemoon@...> wrote :

OleThe motors don't seem to be super magnets or anything like them, more the ferrrite magnet type.I have had to crazy glue the occasional motor magnets back in place, and looking at these magnets, found them nothig special.
Cheers Warren
Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 


On Fri, Dec 15, 2017 at 2:13 PM, onielsen@... [EVGRAY]<[email protected]> wrote: 
Hi Kone,

As motors and generators are the same component they can transform energy between mechanical and electrical states. As well as the transformation between different kinds of energy they can store both of these kinds of energy thus making them work as both active and reactive power components. The diode bridges (a single diode between each motor would give less loss) prevent power from going back in the daisy chain. If monitoring the speed perhaps pulses of power is operating across the chain.

I can get cheap motors but don't know if they'll work for such an experiment. The high efficient motors work very well as generators (dynamos) but are expensive. It would be nice to know how efficient the motors have to be or what kind of motors that work for the experiment.

Regards
Ole



---In [email protected], <konehead@...> wrote :


Hi Ole

I think the most important feature of DC motors, if they will work or not, with Warren's daisy chain FWBR experiment,

is if the DC motors have any sort of  suppresion of the spark-flash at the brushes, such as some DC motors will have a diode that simply shoots the spike right back into the windings, some DC motors will have the placement of the brush-spacing to be just right so that the spike does not manifest at cetain rpms , some DC motors might have a magnet near the brushes to suppress the spike flash.....I would think you would want DC motors with no form of spark flash suppression for this experiment to work as it did for Warren.

ciaoKone



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Hi Ole
 I think the four diodes of a FWBR is a key component to making this daisy chain experiment work, as well as the particular type of the DC motor too (which we will find out when Warren finally un-packs)
 The single steering diode usual method I think does well in pulsed-DC inductor or DC motor experiments where there is a very clean finite and controlled DC pulse and this is of course prefrerred method to recovering the collapsing field back spike into capacitors, or into lead acid batteries to charge as Bedini (and Warren) has proven works very well...
 However the commutator flash and spikes recovered from a "dirty" brush commutator DC motor perhaps require those four diodes, to make sure every spikey back-spike component and bit of energy is guided out in DC mode using a FWBR, also "perhaps" the extra diodes of a FWBR do something to "make coherent" not only the forward-DC input pulse of energy, but coheres this to the collapsing filed energy spike energy too, so it is not a "first this, then that" situation but rather a mess of everything "going both ways" into mess of everything now going in one direction....So perhaps the FWBR "blends together" the collapsing field with the forward DC energy, which also passes through the diodes of the FWBR.
 There is also that elusive to see or describe (to some)actual BACKEMF energy (commonly confused with the collapsing field spike) and again 
"perhaps" this very strong always-there "backwards" magnetic energy is manifest, rectified, and put to work, and perhaps "coheres" into a three-way DC flow thanks to the FWBR rather than a single diode maybe through the bounce and overlapping of the dirty DC signal to and from the DC motors (I don't know!)  But if the actual backemf energy is put to work, mot just the back spikes, now this would explain how Warren's experiment worked so well as you would have the forward DC input energy, the backspike energy, and the backemf energy, all being spit out the DC side of each FWBR...
 Allso, an improvement I would think is not to go with a single diode from one motor to next (I would think this would not work at all but restrict power) would be to have another FWBR of diodes in parallel with the existing FWBR so total of 8 diodes....in the Muller generator we built in Germany a few months ago,  using the 8 diodes instead of 4 made for output of 20V from each coil compared to 13V with just four diodes....this explained by there now being less resistance (lower ohms) because of the doubled-up diodes....
 ciaoKone