Re: [EVGRAY] Most lightning active point on planet

James! I am totally familiar with the Butane extraction technology 
but!!  My "cascade" MVR , three totally "closed" and separate systems 
using three very unique and specific refrigerants for the thermal energy 
recovery.  Rankin vortex is used in my Hydrogen Reactor for gas 
separation based on differing gas masses.

Doug! "no! I did not forget the PMI disk generator experiment! Go back 
and read my "parameters" of "Over Unity"!  Sure! got measured O/U same 
as MRA but was not able to operate as a "Closed system" stand alone self 
runner.    An absolute proof of true "Self running", "Over Unity", would 
be for a device to be placed into a sealed enclosure under "UHV" or 
"XHV" conditions (Hard vacuum) as used by CERN. Physics now just as 
Tesla claimed BTW is "densified aether".

See the conditions 
@:https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultra-high_vacuum    EXTREME HIGH VACUUM
P.A. Redhead
National Research Council
Ottawa, Canada
Abstract
Methods for producing and measuring extreme high vacuum (XHV, which
is the pressure range below 10-10 Pa) and the limits on measurement and
production are examined. Techniques for reducing the outgassing rates of
the walls and components of XHV systems, including the gauges or RGAs,
are described and some of the lowest measured outgassing rates tabulated.
The lowest pressures attained in the XHV range have remained
approximately constant for 35 years, explanations for this plateau in
ultimate pressure are offered.
1. INTRODUCTION
Ultrahigh vacuum (UHV) is defined as the pressure range between 10-6 Pa 
(in Europe) or 10-7 Pa (in
the USA) and 10-10 Pa; extreme high vacuum (XHV) is defined as the range 
of pressure below 10-10 Pa
(7.5 ´ 10-13 Torr or 10-12 mbar). Ultrahigh vacuum is routinely achieved 
with commercial equipment
around the world; XHV is produced and measured with difficulty in a few 
laboratories with special
equipment. The need for UHV is widespread; the need for XHV is limited 
at this moment to some
accelerator and storage ring facilities, to the simulation of 
interstellar space, in the processing of
advanced semiconductor devices, and to a few other specialised 
applications. Research in the
improvement of XHV methods, which is at the limits of vacuum science, 
will almost certainly
improve the techniques used in the higher pressure ranges, as happened 
in the 1950s and 1960s with
the development of UHV. Some of the gas phase parameters of XHV are 
shown in Table 1.
Table 1
Gas phase parameters at XHV
Pressure
(Pa)
Molecular
density at 298 K
Molecular flux
N2 at 295 K
(molec. cm-2 s-1)
Molecular mean
free path l*
N2 at 295 K
Monolayer
time**
10-10 2.5 ´ 104 cm-3 2.9 ´ 108 3.4 ´ 104 km 44 days
10-13 25 cm-3 2.9 ´ 105 3.4 ´ 107 km 120 years
10–17
interstellar space
0.25 m-3 29 2.3 ´ 103
astronomical units
1.2 ´ 106
years
* Mean free path for electrons is le = 4 2l , and for ions li = 2l .

If your "self runner" can run without any external energy source 
(Totally closed and shielded) except the "densified aether" under "XHV" 
or UHV" conditions, I would say you have a "winner"!

    Norm   BTW!   The most powerful "electrostatic generator ever built" 
operated in a sealed chamber @ 30 atmosphere pressure of pure hydrogen 
gas.   Extremely high current  at ultra high voltages so where did the 
"electrons" come from??????????????????

So much that you don"t know!

On 12/9/2017 12:37 PM, James Glinski [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
> Norm
> Are you talking about organic Rankin with cascading thermal energy 
> extraction ?multiple points of energy removal ? Like a butane system 
> using a parabola trough or a salt water heat sink pool . like a steam 
> engine or turbine with  butane as the systems fluids ?. You know 
> getting it hot is not the problem its cooling down the vapors is the 
> issue and multiple extraction points would help that out and a lot of 
> copper . fans ..ionic charged radiators .
>
> On Dec 9, 2017 3:59 AM, "[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> 
> [EVGRAY]" <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>
>     Hi Norm
>
>     Don't forget your experiment with the Rotovertor-motor spun PMI DC
>     Servo motor (you sent me some of those!)
>
>     This DC "pancalke" motor spun and belt and pullied up to high rpms
>     (I think 14,000rpm it was) and you reported some overunity
>     comparing input watts to ouptu watts upon loading the DC motor and
>     although things got hot it was pretty good test...
>
>     Seems to me all "we need" Is generator that does not display lenz
>     law braking action upon loading such as this simple test here
>     below in links, and what you saw too at that 14.000rpm
>     approx...the prime mover/motor can be just about anything 
>     efficient: I will guess your RV-PMIDC servo motor experiment
>     worked for same reason shown and explained here - as certain rpm
>     and impedance of coils will "Delay" the lenz braking effect to
>     happen upon upcoming or trailing-edge of rotor magnets...
>
>     https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=24I12hrpTDY&t=158s
>     <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=24I12hrpTDY&t=158s>
>
>     https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cVFXSZzUNmE&t=57s
>     <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cVFXSZzUNmE&t=57s>
>
>
>

Norm
Are you talking about organic Rankin with cascading thermal energy
extraction ?multiple points of energy removal ? Like a butane system using
a parabola trough or a salt water heat sink pool . like a steam engine or
turbine with  butane as the systems fluids ?. You know getting it hot is
not the problem its cooling down the vapors is the issue and multiple
extraction points would help that out and a lot of copper . fans ..ionic
charged radiators .

On Dec 9, 2017 3:59 AM, "[email protected] [EVGRAY]" <[email protected]>
wrote:



Hi Norm

Don't forget your experiment with the  Rotovertor-motor spun PMI DC Servo
motor (you sent me some of those!)

This DC "pancalke" motor spun and belt and pullied up to high rpms (I think
14,000rpm it was) and you reported some overunity comparing input watts to
ouptu watts upon loading the DC motor and although things got hot it was
pretty good test...

Seems to me all "we need" Is generator that does not display lenz law
braking action upon loading such as this simple test here below in links,
and what you saw too at that 14.000rpm approx...the prime mover/motor can
be just about anything  efficient: I will guess your RV-PMIDC servo motor
experiment worked for same reason shown and explained here - as certain rpm
and impedance of coils will "Delay" the lenz braking effect to happen upon
upcoming or trailing-edge of rotor magnets...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=24I12hrpTDY&t=158s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cVFXSZzUNmE&t=57s

You know collecting heat in the day and running it at night with the
radiators aimed at the universe would really help . but a on demand system
is what's really needed no army of battery's.

On Dec 9, 2017 12:37 PM, "James Glinski" <[email protected]> wrote:

> Norm
> Are you talking about organic Rankin with cascading thermal energy
> extraction ?multiple points of energy removal ? Like a butane system using
> a parabola trough or a salt water heat sink pool . like a steam engine or
> turbine with  butane as the systems fluids ?. You know getting it hot is
> not the problem its cooling down the vapors is the issue and multiple
> extraction points would help that out and a lot of copper . fans ..ionic
> charged radiators .
>
> On Dec 9, 2017 3:59 AM, "[email protected] [EVGRAY]" <
> [email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
> Hi Norm
>
> Don't forget your experiment with the  Rotovertor-motor spun PMI DC Servo
> motor (you sent me some of those!)
>
> This DC "pancalke" motor spun and belt and pullied up to high rpms (I
> think 14,000rpm it was) and you reported some overunity comparing input
> watts to ouptu watts upon loading the DC motor and although things got hot
> it was pretty good test...
>
> Seems to me all "we need" Is generator that does not display lenz law
> braking action upon loading such as this simple test here below in links,
> and what you saw too at that 14.000rpm approx...the prime mover/motor can
> be just about anything  efficient: I will guess your RV-PMIDC servo motor
> experiment worked for same reason shown and explained here - as certain rpm
> and impedance of coils will "Delay" the lenz braking effect to happen upon
> upcoming or trailing-edge of rotor magnets...
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=24I12hrpTDY&t=158s
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cVFXSZzUNmE&t=57s
> 
>
>
>

JamesWe are on it, here in Ontario.That is it.Collect solar heat and then radiate.Tubes in the floors are best.You really don't need to pay to heat.Think green houses.Think zero heating bills.A tiny amount of electricity to run circulation pumps and logic functions.The German made copper strips with ultrasonic welded copper tubes.The strips of copper have a crystaline substance that absorbs 97 Percent of the suns energy, yet allows only 3 radiated away into space.Not bad attrition rateCheers WRren
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  On Sat, Dec 9, 2017 at 1:41 PM, James Glinski [email protected] [EVGRAY]<[email protected]> wrote:       

You know collecting heat in the day and running it at night with the radiators aimed at the universe would really help . but a on demand system is what's really needed no army of battery's.
On Dec 9, 2017 12:37 PM, "James Glinski" <[email protected]> wrote:

NormAre you talking about organic Rankin with cascading thermal energy extraction ?multiple points of energy removal ? Like a butane system using a parabola trough or a salt water heat sink pool . like a steam engine or turbine with  butane as the systems fluids ?. You know getting it hot is not the problem its cooling down the vapors is the issue and multiple extraction points would help that out and a lot of copper . fans ..ionic charged radiators .
On Dec 9, 2017 3:59 AM, "[email protected] [EVGRAY]" <[email protected]> wrote:

     


Hi Norm

Don't forget your experiment with the  Rotovertor-motor spun PMI DC Servo motor (you sent me some of those!) 

This DC "pancalke" motor spun and belt and pullied up to high rpms (I think 14,000rpm it was) and you reported some overunity comparing input watts to ouptu watts upon loading the DC motor and although things got hot it was pretty good test...

Seems to me all "we need" Is generator that does not display lenz law braking action upon loading such as this simple test here below in links, and what you saw too at that 14.000rpm approx...the prime mover/motor can be just about anything  efficient: I will guess your RV-PMIDC servo motor experiment worked for same reason shown and explained here - as certain rpm and impedance of coils will "Delay" the lenz braking effect to happen upon upcoming or trailing-edge of rotor magnets...

https://www.youtube.com/watch? v=24I12hrpTDY&t=158s

https://www.youtube.com/watch? v=cVFXSZzUNmE&t=57s

   


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Doug, Norm, and all.In pushing the limits of various experiments with DC motors, there are curious events which have been observed.I am not certain they are OU, but, at the very least, something seems quite powerful, considering the limited voltage, and amperage, available to drive
the motors.The observed phenomenon only excited curiousity, that has not been satisfied.The ten motor DC daisy chain inspired by a little experiment Doug was toying with. I managed to get ten motors of 3/4 hp or more to run from a 125 watt inverter and a common 5 amp 12 volt lead acid battery.To just not blow the breaker in the inverter, was surprising.I set the voltage to the first motor by means of a little 5 amp Variac attached to the inverter then rectified the result with a six amp bridge rectifier before the brushes of the first motor.That should offer no surprises to anyone.The motor runs at a moderate speed in a direction according to the polarity of the input wires. That in no way seems magicNext, using Doug's idea at the time, another bridge rectifier was placed on those same brush input wires, AC legs down in an effort to perhaps capture the energy from the sparking armature.This is where it becomes curious.The DC signal coming off the second diode bridge was able to drive a second motor with no apparent ill effects to the battery, or the inverter, Variac, or first rectifier.Hmmmm, Okay, what about another bridge rectifier, and another motor?I was luckyI had plastic milk crates of these motors, that I had been collecting.Another motor with another rectifier was added, again the little inverter just carried on running normally. The motors were running with good speed and plenty of power, just as the first one.Another, and another, was added, laying them side by side on the bench.All were running as perfectly as the first one.About this time, friends dropped by, colleagues in the film business.I explained my experiment in progress, and they shared my curiousity.Another motor was added with yet another bridge rectifier. Still there was no change to the inverter. No smoke or heat. The five amp Variac soldiered on as if there was only one motor.The inverter was shut off each time while a new rectifier was soldered in place with a new motor.No diminished speed was noted though the battery must have been in play at least a half hour or more.While I went down in the house basement to bring up another crate of motors, a friend went out to his truck and got a carton of beer.Another motor was addedAnother motor added to that one.Not only was there not a speed drop as one might expect, the speed seemed to increase with each motor.Everything was running cool to the touch.At about seven motors, with one coming out of the crate with a vee belt pulley on, we could really apply some force to that motor shaft.That sucker wasn't stopping, in fact you couldn't hold it down on the bench and apply force with a rag on the pulley.Still the little 5 amp battery carried on, everthing stayed cool.What the hell! We cut a rectangle of quarter inch plywood on the table saw, took the motor and mounted it face on through some holes drilled in the ply, and then a second motor was screwed in place with a small vee belt linking them together, the idea, one motor driving another, as a load, it being used as a generator.Meanwhile another motor was daisy chained to the drive motor while with the additional stress was placed on the 7th motor by trying to stop the generator motor by shorting it out.The wires produced big sparks, so we put a multimeter amp meter on them getting 7 to 7.5 amps shorting them out and slipping the belt in the jury rigged motor generator setup.Meanwhile, more motors were added to the line on the bench, each progressively faster turning. The last motor on the bench, when connected, spun off on to the floor, when the inverter was switched on. We were running out of bench. All the motors were screaming.The little inverter stayed cool, and remarkably, the same little 5 amp battery was still running all this, after perhaps an hour, but it was hard to tell, as no one was keeping track of the time.The experiment came to an abrupt end when an attempt was made to connect the more than ninety volts DC coming from motor #10 to input of #1A very bright flash, and spark was observed, burning off the connectors, the first five bridge rectifiers were charred, some with burnt off leads.The inverter was fine.The breaker had not blownThe battery was fineMost of the rectifiers were completely toast. The motors were fine.Now I ask you, as I try to descibe this event, as accurately as I can remember,What the hell was going on?Could one have a big bull gear with twenty motors on it driving a car with a five amp lead acid battery?There was certainly a progressive increase in voltage from #1 to #10These were bog standard, ordinary permanent magnet DC motors, smaller than tread mill motors, but no big difference in construction.I got most of them from a scap yard in the middle 90's out of a 45 gallon drum.They cost me nothing.I was there with the woman who is now my wife. She was a fellow sailor building a wind generator, and needed a DC motor to swing my design for home made 2X4 wooden propellers that I published in the club newsletter.The scrap man, a very large corpulent guy, sitting perched on a computer case with a fly swatter in hand much like a king with his mace on a throne was very upset. The motor operating his big shear had just died, and his whole crew were standing by, stopped by this tragedy.He was getting very red in the face saying he was losing thousands of dollars an hour, and they had get a repair man, and electrician, and they can' t come for a week!I looked around, there were motors laying on the floor, as far as one could see, in greasy piles.I said" it is just a motor, you have more motors than you know what to do with"You know about these things? You can make it work?I said sure.So there I was, in a scrap yard, with this really cute woman, who had a very high end professional career, directing a whole crew of scrap workers to pull the motor off a shear that could chomp off six inch diameter steel shafting.I quickly found a likely looking motor attached to some giant scrapped factory machine, and had them remove it.Motors were switched by guys more used to using sledge hammers, but really getting into the task, burbling away in all different languages, aligning it just so like true professionals.I connected up the wires, and threw the switch. It started chunking away like a good thing again.That yard manager was so pleased, he gave us the whole drum of DC motors.It wasn't bad, being a hero, witnessed by one of the best criminal lawyers in the country.Anyway, that is how I got those motors, and later, maybe my girl.Cheers WarrenSent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
 
  On Sat, Dec 9, 2017 at 3:59 PM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY]<[email protected]> wrote:       
 

James! I am totally familiar with the Butane extraction technology but!!  My "cascade" MVR , three totally "closed" and separate systems using three very unique and specific refrigerants for the thermal energy recovery.  Rankin vortex is used in my Hydrogen Reactor for gas separation based on differing gas masses.
 
Doug! "no! I did not forget the PMI disk generator experiment!  Go back and read my "parameters" of "Over Unity"!  Sure! got measured O/U same as MRA but was not able to operate as a "Closed system" stand alone self runner.    An absolute proof of true "Self running", "Over Unity", would be for a device to be placed into a sealed enclosure under "UHV" or "XHV" conditions (Hard vacuum) as used by CERN. Physics now just as Tesla claimed BTW is "densified aether".
 
 See the conditions @:https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultra-high_vacuum    EXTREME HIGH VACUUM
 P.A. Redhead
 National Research Council
 Ottawa, Canada
 Abstract
 Methods for producing and measuring extreme high vacuum (XHV, which
 is the pressure range below 10-10 Pa) and the limits on measurement and
 production are examined. Techniques for reducing the outgassing rates of
 the walls and components of XHV systems, including the gauges or RGAs,
 are described and some of the lowest measured outgassing rates tabulated.
 The lowest pressures attained in the XHV range have remained
 approximately constant for 35 years, explanations for this plateau in
 ultimate pressure are offered.
 1. INTRODUCTION
 Ultrahigh vacuum (UHV) is defined as the pressure range between 10-6 Pa (in Europe) or 10-7 Pa (in
 the USA) and 10-10 Pa; extreme high vacuum (XHV) is defined as the range of pressure below 10-10 Pa
 (7.5 ´ 10-13 Torr or 10-12 mbar). Ultrahigh vacuum is routinely achieved with commercial equipment
 around the world; XHV is produced and measured with difficulty in a few laboratories with special
 equipment. The need for UHV is widespread; the need for XHV is limited at this moment to some
 accelerator and storage ring facilities, to the simulation of interstellar space, in the processing of
 advanced semiconductor devices, and to a few other specialised applications. Research in the
 improvement of XHV methods, which is at the limits of vacuum science, will almost certainly
 improve the techniques used in the higher pressure ranges, as happened in the 1950s and 1960s with
 the development of UHV. Some of the gas phase parameters of XHV are shown in Table 1.
 Table 1
 Gas phase parameters at XHV
 Pressure
 (Pa)
 Molecular
 density at 298 K
 Molecular flux
 N2 at 295 K
 (molec. cm-2 s-1)
 Molecular mean
 free path l*
 N2 at 295 K
 Monolayer
 time**
 10-10 2.5 ´ 104 cm-3 2.9 ´ 108 3.4 ´ 104 km 44 days
 10-13 25 cm-3 2.9 ´ 105 3.4 ´ 107 km 120 years
 10–17
 interstellar space
 0.25 m-3 29 2.3 ´ 103
 astronomical units
 1.2 ´ 106
 years
 * Mean free path for electrons is le = 4 2l , and for ions li = 2l .
 
 If your "self runner" can run without any external energy source (Totally closed and shielded) except the "densified aether" under "XHV" or UHV" conditions, I would say you have a "winner"!    
 
    Norm   BTW!   The most powerful "electrostatic generator ever built" operated in a sealed chamber @ 30 atmosphere pressure of pure hydrogen gas.   Extremely high current  at ultra high voltages so where did the "electrons" come from??????????????????
 
 So much that you don"t know!
 
 On 12/9/2017 12:37 PM, James Glinski [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
  
    Norm Are you talking about organic Rankin with cascading thermal energy extraction ?multiple points of energy removal ? Like a butane system using a parabola trough or a salt water heat sink pool . like a steam engine or turbine with  butane as the systems fluids ?. You know getting it hot is not the problem its cooling down the vapors is the issue and multiple extraction  points would help that out and a lot of copper . fans ..ionic charged radiators .  
 On Dec 9, 2017 3:59 AM, "[email protected] [EVGRAY]" <[email protected]> wrote:
 
       
Hi Norm
 
Don't forget your experiment with the  Rotovertor-motor spun PMI DC Servo motor (you sent me some of those!) 
 
This DC "pancalke" motor spun and belt and pullied up to high rpms (I think 14,000rpm it was) and you reported some overunity comparing input watts to ouptu watts upon loading the DC motor and although things got hot it was pretty good test...
 
Seems to me all "we need" Is generator that does not display lenz law braking action upon loading such as this simple test here below in links, and what you saw too at that 14.000rpm approx...the prime mover/motor can be just about anything  efficient: I will guess your RV-PMIDC servo motor experiment worked for same reason shown and explained  here - as certain rpm and impedance of coils will "Delay" the lenz braking effect to happen upon upcoming or trailing-edge of rotor magnets...
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch? v=24I12hrpTDY&t=158s
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch? v=cVFXSZzUNmE&t=57s
 
     
  
   
 
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Hi Warren
 Left out in your description was the amperage input to that first motor by itself, and after the 7 or ten additional motors all connected via AC legs of FWBR over motor brushes, and DC of FWBR into next motor brushes, then AC legs of FWBR over that motor into next etc etc...
 what was the amperage input now with the daisy chain all connected and that last motor with 100plus volts now into it? Remembering from your previous descriptions of this experiment, amps input stayed the same!
 ciao
 Kone

Hi Sven
 I used to make N-N rotor and staort coil biucking powered motors (plus they had regauging magnets next to stator coils that react to and flip polarity of rotor coils so upon approach for upcoming N-N power even, there is briefly S-N for free power stroke but that is other long subject}
 And with these motors, I had some good success running one motor into another in the FWBR method Warren used, so I gave him this idea to try.....
 FWBR might be superior to single steering diode to pull everything you can get out of a motor as compared to a single steering diode - as you get all the ringing, all the AC spikes, all the induced generator power from coils going past magnets, and basically whatever is AC in spikes, or ringing or induced generated stuff, it all comes out DC and nothing wasted.....
 Where Warren could improve things next test is to put a 2nd FWBR in parallel to each FWBR as this lowers resistance and you get more voltage output....RomeroUK did this, we tested this in Germany recently and it works - with one FWBR it was 13V, with the double FWBR idea, now it was 20V
 Also Hector gave me good idea long ago to put a very fast shottky diode on one of the AC legs leading into the FWBR AC sidei (so 5 diodes total) and this does something to catch those HF HV spikes better before they hit the FWBR diodes and you higher voltages into a cap doing this too...
 ciaoKone

Hello Douglas,

Unfortunately, I only have a real DC motor with permanent magnet stator from Siemens and a few universal motors that can be operated as a DC or AC, if it goes with it?

Switching 2 FWBR in parallel is obvious, but as the fast diode is switched to the FWBR does not light up to me.

I think great experiment.

regards

Sven

SvenDoug was the first to experiment with the idea, which as far as I know, was his.I just got excessive with it, as I just had the motors to do it.
Later, trying to duplicate my efforts with little toy type DC motors for a gift idea, this proved to be a failure as it didn't work. I got busy with work then, and left the idea now for several years.Cheers Warren
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  On Sun, Dec 10, 2017 at 7:22 AM, 'Sven Friedrich' [email protected] [EVGRAY]<[email protected]> wrote:       

Hello Warren,

the experiment sounds class. Like an amplifier. One engine reinforces the next.

Circuit technology I have now understood that.

DC motor 1 is supplied via a bridge rectifier with an AC voltage source (inverter with 5 ampere battery). At DC motor 1 you connect to the DC ports another FWBR AC side and at the DC port of the FWBR the DC motor 2, etc. Is that correct?

Would be nice if you could sketch that briefly.

Douglas has already done such an experiment!?!

regards

Sven Gesendet: Sonntag, 10. Dezember 2017 um 09:59 Uhr
Von: "Warren Keillor [email protected] [EVGRAY]" <[email protected]>
An: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
Betreff: Re: [EVGRAY] Most lightning active point on planet 
Doug, Norm, and all.
In pushing the limits of various experiments with DC motors, there are curious events which have been observed.I am not certain they are OU, but, at the very least, something seems quite powerful, considering the limited voltage, and amperage, available to drive
the motors.The observed phenomenon only excited curiousity, that has not been satisfied.The ten motor DC daisy chain inspired by a little experiment Doug was toying with. I managed to get ten motors of 3/4 hp or more to run from a 125 watt inverter and a common 5 amp 12 volt lead acid battery.To just not blow the breaker in the inverter, was surprising.I set the voltage to the first motor by means of a little 5 amp Variac attached to the inverter then rectified the result with a six amp bridge rectifier before the brushes of the first motor.That should offer no surprises to anyone.The motor runs at a moderate speed in a direction according to the polarity of the input wires. That in no way seems magicNext, using Doug's idea at the time, another bridge rectifier was placed on those same brush input wires, AC legs down in an effort to perhaps capture the energy from the sparking armature.This is where it becomes curious.The DC signal coming off the second diode bridge was able to drive a second motor with no apparent ill effects to the battery, or the inverter, Variac, or first rectifier.Hmmmm, Okay, what about another bridge rectifier, and another motor?I was luckyI had plastic milk crates of these motors, that I had been collecting.Another motor with another rectifier was added, again the little inverter just carried on running normally. The motors were running with good speed and plenty of power, just as the first one.Another, and another, was added, laying them side by side on the bench.All were running as perfectly as the first one.About this time, friends dropped by, colleagues in the film business.I explained my experiment in progress, and they shared my curiousity.Another motor was added with yet another bridge rectifier. Still there was no change to the inverter. No smoke or heat. The five amp Variac soldiered on as if there was only one motor.The inverter was shut off each time while a new rectifier was soldered in place with a new motor.No diminished speed was noted though the battery must have been in play at least a half hour or more.While I went down in the house basement to bring up another crate of motors, a friend went out to his truck and got a carton of beer.Another motor was addedAnother motor added to that one.Not only was there not a speed drop as one might expect, the speed seemed to increase with each motor.Everything was running cool to the touch.At about seven motors, with one coming out of the crate with a vee belt pulley on, we could really apply some force to that motor shaft.That sucker wasn't stopping, in fact you couldn't hold it down on the bench and apply force with a rag on the pulley.Still the little 5 amp battery carried on, everthing stayed cool.What the hell! We cut a rectangle of quarter inch plywood on the table saw, took the motor and mounted it face on through some holes drilled in the ply, and then a second motor was screwed in place with a small vee belt linking them together, the idea, one motor driving another, as a load, it being used as a generator.Meanwhile another motor was daisy chained to the drive motor while with the additional stress was placed on the 7th motor by trying to stop the generator motor by shorting it out.The wires produced big sparks, so we put a multimeter amp meter on them getting 7 to 7.5 amps shorting them out and slipping the belt in the jury rigged motor generator setup.Meanwhile, more motors were added to the line on the bench, each progressively faster turning. The last motor on the bench, when connected, spun off on to the floor, when the inverter was switched on. We were running out of bench. All the motors were screaming.The little inverter stayed cool, and remarkably, the same little 5 amp battery was still running all this, after perhaps an hour, but it was hard to tell, as no one was keeping track of the time.The experiment came to an abrupt end when an attempt was made to connect the more than ninety volts DC coming from motor #10 to input of #1A very bright flash, and spark was observed, burning off the connectors, the first five bridge rectifiers were charred, some with burnt off leads.The inverter was fine.The breaker had not blownThe battery was fineMost of the rectifiers were completely toast. The motors were fine.Now I ask you, as I try to descibe this event, as accurately as I can remember,What the hell was going on?Could one have a big bull gear with twenty motors on it driving a car with a five amp lead acid battery?There was certainly a progressive increase in voltage from #1 to #10These were bog standard, ordinary permanent magnet DC motors, smaller than tread mill motors, but no big difference in construction.I got most of them from a scap yard in the middle 90's out of a 45 gallon drum.They cost me nothing.I was there with the woman who is now my wife. She was a fellow sailor building a wind generator, and needed a DC motor to swing my design for home made 2X4 wooden propellers that I published in the club newsletter.The scrap man, a very large corpulent guy, sitting perched on a computer case with a fly swatter in hand much like a king with his mace on a throne was very upset. The motor operating his big shear had just died, and his whole crew were standing by, stopped by this tragedy.He was getting very red in the face saying he was losing thousands of dollars an hour, and they had get a repair man, and electrician, and they can' t come for a week!I looked around, there were motors laying on the floor, as far as one could see, in greasy piles.I said" it is just a motor, you have more motors than you know what to do with"You know about these things? You can make it work?I said sure.So there I was, in a scrap yard, with this really cute woman, who had a very high end professional career, directing a whole crew of scrap workers to pull the motor off a shear that could chomp off six inch diameter steel shafting.I quickly found a likely looking motor attached to some giant scrapped factory machine, and had them remove it.Motors were switched by guys more used to using sledge hammers, but really getting into the task, burbling away in all different languages, aligning it just so like true professionals.I connected up the wires, and threw the switch. It started chunking away like a good thing again.That yard manager was so pleased, he gave us the whole drum of DC motors.It wasn't bad, being a hero, witnessed by one of the best criminal lawyers in the country.Anyway, that is how I got those motors, and later, maybe my girl.Cheers WarrenSent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
On Sat, Dec 9, 2017 at 3:59 PM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY]<[email protected]> wrote: 
 

James! I am totally familiar with the Butane extraction technology but!!  My "cascade" MVR , three totally "closed" and separate systems using three very unique and specific refrigerants for the thermal energy recovery.  Rankin vortex is used in my Hydrogen Reactor for gas separation based on differing gas masses.

Doug! "no! I did not forget the PMI disk generator experiment!  Go back and read my "parameters" of "Over Unity"!  Sure! got measured O/U same as MRA but was not able to operate as a "Closed system" stand alone self runner.    An absolute proof of true "Self running", "Over Unity", would be for a device to be placed into a sealed enclosure under "UHV" or "XHV" conditions (Hard vacuum) as used by CERN. Physics now just as Tesla claimed BTW is "densified aether".
See the conditions @:https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultra-high_vacuum    EXTREME HIGH VACUUM
P.A. Redhead
National Research Council
Ottawa, Canada
Abstract
Methods for producing and measuring extreme high vacuum (XHV, which
is the pressure range below 10-10 Pa) and the limits on measurement and
production are examined. Techniques for reducing the outgassing rates of
the walls and components of XHV systems, including the gauges or RGAs,
are described and some of the lowest measured outgassing rates tabulated.
The lowest pressures attained in the XHV range have remained
approximately constant for 35 years, explanations for this plateau in
ultimate pressure are offered.
1. INTRODUCTION
Ultrahigh vacuum (UHV) is defined as the pressure range between 10-6 Pa (in Europe) or 10-7 Pa (in
the USA) and 10-10 Pa; extreme high vacuum (XHV) is defined as the range of pressure below 10-10 Pa
(7.5 ´ 10-13 Torr or 10-12 mbar). Ultrahigh vacuum is routinely achieved with commercial equipment
around the world; XHV is produced and measured with difficulty in a few laboratories with special
equipment. The need for UHV is widespread; the need for XHV is limited at this moment to some
accelerator and storage ring facilities, to the simulation of interstellar space, in the processing of
advanced semiconductor devices, and to a few other specialised applications. Research in the
improvement of XHV methods, which is at the limits of vacuum science, will almost certainly
improve the techniques used in the higher pressure ranges, as happened in the 1950s and 1960s with
the development of UHV. Some of the gas phase parameters of XHV are shown in Table 1.
Table 1
Gas phase parameters at XHV
Pressure
(Pa)
Molecular
density at 298 K
Molecular flux
N2 at 295 K
(molec. cm-2 s-1)
Molecular mean
free path l*
N2 at 295 K
Monolayer
time**
10-10 2.5 ´ 104 cm-3 2.9 ´ 108 3.4 ´ 104 km 44 days
10-13 25 cm-3 2.9 ´ 105 3.4 ´ 107 km 120 years
10–17
interstellar space
0.25 m-3 29 2.3 ´ 103
astronomical units
1.2 ´ 106
years
* Mean free path for electrons is le = 4 2l , and for ions li = 2l .

If your "self runner" can run without any external energy source (Totally closed and shielded) except the "densified aether" under "XHV" or UHV" conditions, I would say you have a "winner"!   

   Norm   BTW!   The most powerful "electrostatic generator ever built" operated in a sealed chamber @ 30 atmosphere pressure of pure hydrogen gas.   Extremely high current  at ultra high voltages so where did the "electrons" come from??????????????????

So much that you don"t know!
 On 12/9/2017 12:37 PM, James Glinski [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
 NormAre you talking about organic Rankin with cascading thermal energy extraction ?multiple points of energy removal ? Like a butane system using a parabola trough or a salt water heat sink pool . like a steam engine or turbine with  butane as the systems fluids ?. You know getting it hot is not the problem its cooling down the vapors is the issue and multiple extraction points would help that out and a lot of copper . fans ..ionic charged radiators . On Dec 9, 2017 3:59 AM, "[email protected] [EVGRAY]" <[email protected]> wrote:
 
Hi Norm

Don't forget your experiment with the  Rotovertor-motor spun PMI DC Servo motor (you sent me some of those!)

This DC "pancalke" motor spun and belt and pullied up to high rpms (I think 14,000rpm it was) and you reported some overunity comparing input watts to ouptu watts upon loading the DC motor and although things got hot it was pretty good test...

Seems to me all "we need" Is generator that does not display lenz law braking action upon loading such as this simple test here below in links, and what you saw too at that 14.000rpm approx...the prime mover/motor can be just about anything  efficient: I will guess your RV-PMIDC servo motor experiment worked for same reason shown and explained here - as certain rpm and impedance of coils will "Delay" the lenz braking effect to happen upon upcoming or trailing-edge of rotor magnets...

https://www.youtube.com/watch? v=24I12hrpTDY&t=158s

https://www.youtube.com/watch? v=cVFXSZzUNmE&t=57s


  

 
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Doug it was 35 volts DC, and then, I may not have measured the input amperage, since it was only a 125 watt inverter, and a five amp battery that we were working with.It was in retrospect, a flawed experiment to that extent.
We should do it again.Fortunately, I still have most of the motors that were used.Cheers Warren
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  On Sun, Dec 10, 2017 at 9:36 AM, [email protected] [EVGRAY]<[email protected]> wrote:       


Hi Warren

Left out in your description was the amperage input to that first motor by itself, and after the 7 or ten additional motors all connected via AC legs of FWBR over motor brushes, and DC of FWBR into next motor brushes, then AC legs of FWBR over that motor into next etc etc...

what was the amperage input now with the daisy chain all connected and that last motor with 100plus volts now into it? Remembering from your previous descriptions of this experiment, amps input stayed the same!

ciao

Kone

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DougI think you are right regarding the parallel diode bridges.I wonder what might happen if we make our own rectifiers out of all shottky diodes to build bridges?Cheers Warren
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  On Sun, Dec 10, 2017 at 10:27 AM, [email protected] [EVGRAY]<[email protected]> wrote:       


Hi Sven

I used to make N-N rotor and staort coil biucking powered motors (plus they had regauging magnets next to stator coils that react to and flip polarity of rotor coils so upon approach for upcoming N-N power even, there is briefly S-N for free power stroke but that is other long subject}

And with these motors, I had some good success running one motor into another in the FWBR method Warren used, so I gave him this idea to try.....

FWBR might be superior to single steering diode to pull everything you can get out of a motor as compared to a single steering diode - as you get all the ringing, all the AC spikes, all the induced generator power from coils going past magnets, and basically whatever is AC in spikes, or ringing or induced generated stuff, it all comes out DC and nothing wasted.....

Where Warren could improve things next test is to put a 2nd FWBR in parallel to each FWBR as this lowers resistance and you get more voltage output....RomeroUK did this, we tested this in Germany recently and it works - with one FWBR it was 13V, with the double FWBR idea, now it was 20V

Also Hector gave me good idea long ago to put a very fast shottky diode on one of the AC legs leading into the FWBR AC sidei (so 5 diodes total) and this does something to catch those HF HV spikes better before they hit the FWBR diodes and you higher voltages into a cap doing this too...

ciaoKone

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for the feds . some one said it was 17 times higher than normal for
disaster work .

On Dec 10, 2017 10:47, "Warren Keillor [email protected]
[EVGRAY]" <[email protected]> wrote:

>
>
>
> Doug
> I think you are right regarding the parallel diode bridges.
> I wonder what might happen if we make our own rectifiers out of all
> shottky diodes to build bridges?
> Cheers Warren
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
> <https://overview.mail.yahoo.com/mobile/?.src=Android>
>
> On Sun, Dec 10, 2017 at 10:27 AM, [email protected] [EVGRAY]
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
> Hi Sven
>
> I used to make N-N rotor and staort coil biucking powered motors (plus
> they had regauging magnets next to stator coils that react to and flip
> polarity of rotor coils so upon approach for upcoming N-N power even, there
> is briefly S-N for free power stroke but that is other long subject}
>
> And with these motors, I had some good success running one motor into
> another in the FWBR method Warren used, so I gave him this idea to try.....
>
> FWBR might be superior to single steering diode to pull everything you can
> get out of a motor as compared to a single steering diode - as you get all
> the ringing, all the AC spikes, all the induced generator power from coils
> going past magnets, and basically whatever is AC in spikes, or ringing or
> induced generated stuff, it all comes out DC and nothing wasted.....
>
> Where Warren could improve things next test is to put a 2nd FWBR in
> parallel to each FWBR as this lowers resistance and you get more voltage
> output....RomeroUK did this, we tested this in Germany recently and it
> works - with one FWBR it was 13V, with the double FWBR idea, now it was 20V
>
> Also Hector gave me good idea long ago to put a very fast shottky diode on
> one of the AC legs leading into the FWBR AC sidei (so 5 diodes total) and
> this does something to catch those HF HV spikes better before they hit the
> FWBR diodes and you higher voltages into a cap doing this too...
>
> ciaoKone
>
> 
>

Great story Warren.


      From: "Warren Keillor [email protected] [EVGRAY]" <[email protected]>
 To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> 
 Sent: Sunday, 10 December 2017, 20:00
 Subject: Re: [EVGRAY] Most lightning active point on planet
   
    Doug, Norm, and all.In pushing the limits of various experiments with DC motors, there are curious events which have been observed.I am not certain they are OU, but, at the very least, something seems quite powerful, considering the limited voltage, and amperage, available to drive
the motors.The observed phenomenon only excited curiousity, that has not been satisfied.The ten motor DC daisy chain inspired by a little experiment Doug was toying with. I managed to get ten motors of 3/4 hp or more to run from a 125 watt inverter and a common 5 amp 12 volt lead acid battery.To just not blow the breaker in the inverter, was surprising.I set the voltage to the first motor by means of a little 5 amp Variac attached to the inverter then rectified the result with a six amp bridge rectifier before the brushes of the first motor.That should offer no surprises to anyone.The motor runs at a moderate speed in a direction according to the polarity of the input wires. That in no way seems magicNext, using Doug's idea at the time, another bridge rectifier was placed on those same brush input wires, AC legs down in an effort to perhaps capture the energy from the sparking armature.This is where it becomes curious.The DC signal coming off the second diode bridge was able to drive a second motor with no apparent ill effects to the battery, or the inverter, Variac, or first rectifier.Hmmmm, Okay, what about another bridge rectifier, and another motor?I was luckyI had plastic milk crates of these motors, that I had been collecting.Another motor with another rectifier was added, again the little inverter just carried on running normally. The motors were running with good speed and plenty of power, just as the first one.Another, and another, was added, laying them side by side on the bench.All were running as perfectly as the first one.About this time, friends dropped by, colleagues in the film business.I explained my experiment in progress, and they shared my curiousity.Another motor was added with yet another bridge rectifier. Still there was no change to the inverter. No smoke or heat. The five amp Variac soldiered on as if there was only one motor.The inverter was shut off each time while a new rectifier was soldered in place with a new motor.No diminished speed was noted though the battery must have been in play at least a half hour or more.While I went down in the house basement to bring up another crate of motors, a friend went out to his truck and got a carton of beer.Another motor was addedAnother motor added to that one.Not only was there not a speed drop as one might expect, the speed seemed to increase with each motor.Everything was running cool to the touch.At about seven motors, with one coming out of the crate with a vee belt pulley on, we could really apply some force to that motor shaft.That sucker wasn't stopping, in fact you couldn't hold it down on the bench and apply force with a rag on the pulley.Still the little 5 amp battery carried on, everthing stayed cool.What the hell! We cut a rectangle of quarter inch plywood on the table saw, took the motor and mounted it face on through some holes drilled in the ply, and then a second motor was screwed in place with a small vee belt linking them together, the idea, one motor driving another, as a load, it being used as a generator.Meanwhile another motor was daisy chained to the drive motor while with the additional stress was placed on the 7th motor by trying to stop the generator motor by shorting it out.The wires produced big sparks, so we put a multimeter amp meter on them getting 7 to 7.5 amps shorting them out and slipping the belt in the jury rigged motor generator setup.Meanwhile, more motors were added to the line on the bench, each progressively faster turning. The last motor on the bench, when connected, spun off on to the floor, when the inverter was switched on. We were running out of bench. All the motors were screaming.The little inverter stayed cool, and remarkably, the same little 5 amp battery was still running all this, after perhaps an hour, but it was hard to tell, as no one was keeping track of the time.The experiment came to an abrupt end when an attempt was made to connect the more than ninety volts DC coming from motor #10 to input of #1A very bright flash, and spark was observed, burning off the connectors, the first five bridge rectifiers were charred, some with burnt off leads.The inverter was fine.The breaker had not blownThe battery was fineMost of the rectifiers were completely toast. The motors were fine.Now I ask you, as I try to descibe this event, as accurately as I can remember,What the hell was going on?Could one have a big bull gear with twenty motors on it driving a car with a five amp lead acid battery?There was certainly a progressive increase in voltage from #1 to #10These were bog standard, ordinary permanent magnet DC motors, smaller than tread mill motors, but no big difference in construction.I got most of them from a scap yard in the middle 90's out of a 45 gallon drum.They cost me nothing.I was there with the woman who is now my wife. She was a fellow sailor building a wind generator, and needed a DC motor to swing my design for home made 2X4 wooden propellers that I published in the club newsletter.The scrap man, a very large corpulent guy, sitting perched on a computer case with a fly swatter in hand much like a king with his mace on a throne was very upset. The motor operating his big shear had just died, and his whole crew were standing by, stopped by this tragedy.He was getting very red in the face saying he was losing thousands of dollars an hour, and they had get a repair man, and electrician, and they can' t come for a week!I looked around, there were motors laying on the floor, as far as one could see, in greasy piles.I said" it is just a motor, you have more motors than you know what to do with"You know about these things? You can make it work?I said sure.So there I was, in a scrap yard, with this really cute woman, who had a very high end professional career, directing a whole crew of scrap workers to pull the motor off a shear that could chomp off six inch diameter steel shafting.I quickly found a likely looking motor attached to some giant scrapped factory machine, and had them remove it.Motors were switched by guys more used to using sledge hammers, but really getting into the task, burbling away in all different languages, aligning it just so like true professionals.I connected up the wires, and threw the switch. It started chunking away like a good thing again.That yard manager was so pleased, he gave us the whole drum of DC motors.It wasn't bad, being a hero, witnessed by one of the best criminal lawyers in the country.Anyway, that is how I got those motors, and later, maybe my girl.Cheers WarrenSent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
 
  On Sat, Dec 9, 2017 at 3:59 PM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY]<[email protected]> wrote:        James! I am totally familiar with the Butane extraction technology but!!  My "cascade" MVR , three totally "closed" and separate systems using three very unique and specific refrigerants for the thermal energy recovery.  Rankin vortex is used in my Hydrogen Reactor for gas separation based on differing gas masses. Doug! "no! I did not forget the PMI disk generator experiment!  Go back and read my "parameters" of "Over Unity"!  Sure! got measured O/U same as MRA but was not able to operate as a "Closed system" stand alone self runner.    An absolute proof of true "Self running", "Over Unity", would be for a device to be placed into a sealed enclosure under "UHV" or "XHV" conditions (Hard vacuum) as used by CERN. Physics now just as Tesla claimed BTW is "densified aether".
  See the conditions @:https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultra-high_vacuum    EXTREME HIGH VACUUM
 P.A. Redhead
 National Research Council
 Ottawa, Canada
 Abstract
 Methods for producing and measuring extreme high vacuum (XHV, which
 is the pressure range below 10-10 Pa) and the limits on measurement and
 production are examined. Techniques for reducing the outgassing rates of
 the walls and components of XHV systems, including the gauges or RGAs,
 are described and some of the lowest measured outgassing rates tabulated.
 The lowest pressures attained in the XHV range have remained
 approximately constant for 35 years, explanations for this plateau in
 ultimate pressure are offered.
 1. INTRODUCTION
 Ultrahigh vacuum (UHV) is defined as the pressure range between 10-6 Pa (in Europe) or 10-7 Pa (in
 the USA) and 10-10 Pa; extreme high vacuum (XHV) is defined as the range of pressure below 10-10 Pa
 (7.5 ´ 10-13 Torr or 10-12 mbar). Ultrahigh vacuum is routinely achieved with commercial equipment
 around the world; XHV is produced and measured with difficulty in a few laboratories with special
 equipment. The need for UHV is widespread; the need for XHV is limited at this moment to some
 accelerator and storage ring facilities, to the simulation of interstellar space, in the processing of
 advanced semiconductor devices, and to a few other specialised applications. Research in the
 improvement of XHV methods, which is at the limits of vacuum science, will almost certainly
 improve the techniques used in the higher pressure ranges, as happened in the 1950s and 1960s with
 the development of UHV. Some of the gas phase parameters of XHV are shown in Table 1.
 Table 1
 Gas phase parameters at XHV
 Pressure
 (Pa)
 Molecular
 density at 298 K
 Molecular flux
 N2 at 295 K
 (molec. cm-2 s-1)
 Molecular mean
 free path l*
 N2 at 295 K
 Monolayer
 time**
 10-10 2.5 ´ 104 cm-3 2.9 ´ 108 3.4 ´ 104 km 44 days
 10-13 25 cm-3 2.9 ´ 105 3.4 ´ 107 km 120 years
 10–17
 interstellar space
 0.25 m-3 29 2.3 ´ 103
 astronomical units
 1.2 ´ 106
 years
 * Mean free path for electrons is le = 4 2l , and for ions li = 2l .
 
 If your "self runner" can run without any external energy source (Totally closed and shielded) except the "densified aether" under "XHV" or UHV" conditions, I would say you have a "winner"!    
 
    Norm   BTW!   The most powerful "electrostatic generator ever built" operated in a sealed chamber @ 30 atmosphere pressure of pure hydrogen gas.   Extremely high current  at ultra high voltages so where did the "electrons" come from??????????????????
 
 So much that you don"t know!
 
 On 12/9/2017 12:37 PM, James Glinski [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
  
    Norm Are you talking about organic Rankin with cascading thermal energy extraction ?multiple points of energy removal ? Like a butane system using a parabola trough or a salt water heat sink pool . like a steam engine or turbine with  butane as the systems fluids ?. You know getting it hot is not the problem its cooling down the vapors is the issue and multiple extraction  points would help that out and a lot of copper . fans ..ionic charged radiators .  
 On Dec 9, 2017 3:59 AM, "[email protected] [EVGRAY]" <[email protected]> wrote:
 
       Hi Norm Don't forget your experiment with the  Rotovertor-motor spun PMI DC Servo motor (you sent me some of those!)  This DC "pancalke" motor spun and belt and pullied up to high rpms (I think 14,000rpm it was) and you reported some overunity comparing input watts to ouptu watts upon loading the DC motor and although things got hot it was pretty good test... Seems to me all "we need" Is generator that does not display lenz law braking action upon loading such as this simple test here below in links, and what you saw too at that 14.000rpm approx...the prime mover/motor can be just about anything  efficient: I will guess your RV-PMIDC servo motor experiment worked for same reason shown and explained  here - as certain rpm and impedance of coils will "Delay" the lenz braking effect to happen upon upcoming or trailing-edge of rotor magnets... https://www.youtube.com/watch? v=24I12hrpTDY&t=158s https://www.youtube.com/watch? v=cVFXSZzUNmE&t=57s
      
  
   
 
    
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Hi Warren
 I was sure I read that your amperage stayed constant as you added the daisy chain of DC motors, so I did a search of old postings, and found this from you posted may 30 2014 talking about your DC motor FWBR connected daisy chain:
 Also I read in the back postings,  that eventually you got up to 10 motors but maybe you were thinking six packs of talls for all your friends there haha
 

 "After about 7 of them, the voltage clearly grew from the initial 35 volts to nearly 90, while the 1.5 input amps stayed constant"
 

 Also even better than shottkys, (I think) are the ultra-fast or "hyper-fast" diodes they make now that can handle 25A and 600V like the HFA25PB60, which is called an "ultra fast" one, and they have now those "hyper fast" ones for sale, that handle same power, but even faster - mcannot remember the model number but should be in any search if you do hyper fast diode 25A 600V
 Who knows maybe you could have 180V at end of the string of motors and problem now is those motors rated at 96VDC tops usually...
 I think the voltage rating of 96VDC can be exceeded if you bridge with FWBR the brushes, and put the DC into a cap or something else so that you are extracting that spark flash as those "destructive transients" are what eat up the brushes and commutators and are the real voltage-limiters...
 ciao
 Kone

Hi DougIt is so good that you have access to our collective memorry banks.My poor brain needs all the coddling, and urging, to keep on track, it can get.I appreciate your records, as collectively, we can only improve our knowledge if we get accurate information to begin with.I now have an oscilloscope, thanks to the support from electrical engineer, and Tesla experimenter, here, Steve Jackson, who knows how I can tighten up my measurements.I have found that most permanent magnet DC motors can handle a lot more voltage than stated on the case.The big limitation seems to be the little wimpy shafts, being only 5/8".A "chopped" 600 volts, into a 24 volt motor, can twist off the shaft, when suddenly changing direction, from experience. The diode full wave rectifier at the brushes seems to eliminate arc welder quality sparks from the armature, that normally cause a rapid motor melt down, destroying the copper commutators under the brushes, which then can fly off causing shrapnel if there is an opening in the case, at the brushes.For the most part, these heavy duty permanent magnet motors tolerate a lot of abuse.I wish there was a way that Ole could get some surplus ones in Germany.I can't believe that obsolete equipment does not exist there, that needs to be disposed of, that contains permanent magnet dc electric motors.We need more fat people, who are offended by their loved ones, giving them electric tread mills, which end out at the curb in the garbage, like here in Canada. Scrapped powered wheel chairs? My motor surplus was from main frame computer tape drives as used in banks, and insurance companies, using those room filling IBM's. Indiana General motors, made in Mexico, and also Daton, made in USA.All of these motors can be used. Baldor makes nice ones. I am not famiiliar with German supply networks, and how they get rid of obsolete technology, like I am, here, in Canada.This is a series of experiments that should be replicated.Cheers Warren
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  On Mon, Dec 11, 2017 at 7:37 AM, [email protected] [EVGRAY]<[email protected]> wrote:       


Hi Warren

I was sure I read that your amperage stayed constant as you added the daisy chain of DC motors, so I did a search of old postings, and found this from you posted may 30 2014 talking about your DC motor FWBR connected daisy chain:

Also I read in the back postings,  that eventually you got up to 10 motors but maybe you were thinking six packs of talls for all your friends there haha




"After about 7 of them, the voltage clearly grew from the initial 35 volts to nearly 90, while the 1.5 input amps stayed constant"




Also even better than shottkys, (I think) are the ultra-fast or "hyper-fast" diodes they make now that can handle 25A and 600V like the HFA25PB60, which is called an "ultra fast" one, and they have now those "hyper fast" ones for sale, that handle same power, but even faster - mcannot remember the model number but should be in any search if you do hyper fast diode 25A 600V

Who knows maybe you could have 180V at end of the string of motors and problem now is those motors rated at 96VDC tops usually...

I think the voltage rating of 96VDC can be exceeded if you bridge with FWBR the brushes, and put the DC into a cap or something else so that you are extracting that spark flash as those "destructive transients" are what eat up the brushes and commutators and are the real voltage-limiters...

ciao

Kone

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I need something for the near future ....

One of these  

https://www.wish.com/search/cb%20radios#cid=592929b8dda5f168013ef075 https://www.wish.com/search/cb%20radios#cid=592929b8dda5f168013ef075

one of these ....
https://www.wish.com/search/cb%20radios#cid=584539c8fe0fbc4f92c237d8 https://www.wish.com/search/cb%20radios#cid=584539c8fe0fbc4f92c237d8


antenna for mobile ....

https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/29-50-144-430MHz-Quad-Band_60435359830.html?spm=a2700.7724838.2017115.43.43341d1cyOUZRS https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/29-50-144-430MHz-Quad-Band_60435359830.html?spm=a2700.7724838.2017115.43.43341d1cyOUZRS

2 cable sets 
https://www.wiredco.com/RG_8X_Black_RG8X_Coax_Antenna_Cable_PL_259_Male_p/rgblackmm50ft.htm https://www.wiredco.com/RG_8X_Black_RG8X_Coax_Antenna_Cable_PL_259_Male_p/rgblackmm50ft.htm


why ?  war and worse disasters are coming and i dont want to be incommunicated  .....

and i advice all of you to get similar equipment for you and your family  ..

as INTERNET will be cut off & DEAD .......

and yes i am attempting to bunkerize on what is left of the concrete shitting & spiting white elephant i live in .....



anyone with an spare plasma cutter and welder ? to reinforce the crumbling
structure ?  

yep as Spanish saying   (Esto esta cabron ) 

(H)

Hi Warren, we can buy from Siemens now cheap Siemens 1HU motors on ebay brushes are permanent magnet motors from 1 kw I mean. max.Voltage 180v. I also own one. A very efficient engine. With strange energized DC motors such as washing machines with brushes does not work? Regards Sven

Hi SvenThey are permant magnet dc motors with brushes (2)Your 180 volt motors do sound ideal, as I have some of those as well, from tread mills.
They all don't have to have the same voltage but higher seems to be betterCheers Warren
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  On Mon, Dec 11, 2017 at 5:08 PM, [email protected] [EVGRAY]<[email protected]> wrote:       
Hi Warren, we can buy from Siemens now cheap Siemens 1HU motors on ebay brushes are permanent magnet motors from 1 kw I mean. max.Voltage 180v. I also own one. A very efficient engine. With strange energized DC motors such as washing machines with brushes does not work? Regards Sven
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Hector,

Did you get any of the radio shit I sent to work?

You renamed your abode Casa Cabron?


On 12/11/2017 4:37 PM, [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>
> I need something for the near future ....
>
> One of these
>
> https://www.wish.com/search/cb%20radios#cid=592929b8dda5f168013ef075
>
> one of these ....
> https://www.wish.com/search/cb%20radios#cid=584539c8fe0fbc4f92c237d8
>
>
> antenna for mobile ....
>
> https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/29-50-144-430MHz-Quad-Band_60435359830.html?spm=a2700.7724838.2017115.43.43341d1cyOUZRS
>
> 2 cable sets
> https://www.wiredco.com/RG_8X_Black_RG8X_Coax_Antenna_Cable_PL_259_Male_p/rgblackmm50ft.htm
>
>
> why ?  war and worse disasters are coming and i dont want to be 
> incommunicated  .....
>
> and i advice all of you to get similar equipment for you and your 
> family  ..
>
> as INTERNET will be cut off & DEAD .......
>
> and yes i am attempting to bunkerize on what is left of the concrete 
> shitting & spiting white elephant i live in .....
>
>
>
> anyone with an spare plasma cutter and welder ? to reinforce the crumbling
> structure ?
>
> yep as Spanish saying   (Esto esta cabron )
>
> (H)
>
>
>