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SvenDoug was the first to experiment with the idea, which as far as I know, was his.I just got excessive with it, as I just had the motors to do it.
Later, trying to duplicate my efforts with little toy type DC motors for a gift idea, this proved to be a failure as it didn't work. I got busy with work then, and left the idea now for several years.Cheers Warren
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On Sun, Dec 10, 2017 at 7:22 AM, 'Sven Friedrich' [email protected] [EVGRAY]<[email protected]> wrote:
Hello Warren,
the experiment sounds class. Like an amplifier. One engine reinforces the next.
Circuit technology I have now understood that.
DC motor 1 is supplied via a bridge rectifier with an AC voltage source (inverter with 5 ampere battery). At DC motor 1 you connect to the DC ports another FWBR AC side and at the DC port of the FWBR the DC motor 2, etc. Is that correct?
Would be nice if you could sketch that briefly.
Douglas has already done such an experiment!?!
regards
Sven Gesendet: Sonntag, 10. Dezember 2017 um 09:59 Uhr
Von: "Warren Keillor [email protected] [EVGRAY]" <[email protected]>
An: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
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Doug, Norm, and all.
In pushing the limits of various experiments with DC motors, there are curious events which have been observed.I am not certain they are OU, but, at the very least, something seems quite powerful, considering the limited voltage, and amperage, available to drive
the motors.The observed phenomenon only excited curiousity, that has not been satisfied.The ten motor DC daisy chain inspired by a little experiment Doug was toying with. I managed to get ten motors of 3/4 hp or more to run from a 125 watt inverter and a common 5 amp 12 volt lead acid battery.To just not blow the breaker in the inverter, was surprising.I set the voltage to the first motor by means of a little 5 amp Variac attached to the inverter then rectified the result with a six amp bridge rectifier before the brushes of the first motor.That should offer no surprises to anyone.The motor runs at a moderate speed in a direction according to the polarity of the input wires. That in no way seems magicNext, using Doug's idea at the time, another bridge rectifier was placed on those same brush input wires, AC legs down in an effort to perhaps capture the energy from the sparking armature.This is where it becomes curious.The DC signal coming off the second diode bridge was able to drive a second motor with no apparent ill effects to the battery, or the inverter, Variac, or first rectifier.Hmmmm, Okay, what about another bridge rectifier, and another motor?I was luckyI had plastic milk crates of these motors, that I had been collecting.Another motor with another rectifier was added, again the little inverter just carried on running normally. The motors were running with good speed and plenty of power, just as the first one.Another, and another, was added, laying them side by side on the bench.All were running as perfectly as the first one.About this time, friends dropped by, colleagues in the film business.I explained my experiment in progress, and they shared my curiousity.Another motor was added with yet another bridge rectifier. Still there was no change to the inverter. No smoke or heat. The five amp Variac soldiered on as if there was only one motor.The inverter was shut off each time while a new rectifier was soldered in place with a new motor.No diminished speed was noted though the battery must have been in play at least a half hour or more.While I went down in the house basement to bring up another crate of motors, a friend went out to his truck and got a carton of beer.Another motor was addedAnother motor added to that one.Not only was there not a speed drop as one might expect, the speed seemed to increase with each motor.Everything was running cool to the touch.At about seven motors, with one coming out of the crate with a vee belt pulley on, we could really apply some force to that motor shaft.That sucker wasn't stopping, in fact you couldn't hold it down on the bench and apply force with a rag on the pulley.Still the little 5 amp battery carried on, everthing stayed cool.What the hell! We cut a rectangle of quarter inch plywood on the table saw, took the motor and mounted it face on through some holes drilled in the ply, and then a second motor was screwed in place with a small vee belt linking them together, the idea, one motor driving another, as a load, it being used as a generator.Meanwhile another motor was daisy chained to the drive motor while with the additional stress was placed on the 7th motor by trying to stop the generator motor by shorting it out.The wires produced big sparks, so we put a multimeter amp meter on them getting 7 to 7.5 amps shorting them out and slipping the belt in the jury rigged motor generator setup.Meanwhile, more motors were added to the line on the bench, each progressively faster turning. The last motor on the bench, when connected, spun off on to the floor, when the inverter was switched on. We were running out of bench. All the motors were screaming.The little inverter stayed cool, and remarkably, the same little 5 amp battery was still running all this, after perhaps an hour, but it was hard to tell, as no one was keeping track of the time.The experiment came to an abrupt end when an attempt was made to connect the more than ninety volts DC coming from motor #10 to input of #1A very bright flash, and spark was observed, burning off the connectors, the first five bridge rectifiers were charred, some with burnt off leads.The inverter was fine.The breaker had not blownThe battery was fineMost of the rectifiers were completely toast. The motors were fine.Now I ask you, as I try to descibe this event, as accurately as I can remember,What the hell was going on?Could one have a big bull gear with twenty motors on it driving a car with a five amp lead acid battery?There was certainly a progressive increase in voltage from #1 to #10These were bog standard, ordinary permanent magnet DC motors, smaller than tread mill motors, but no big difference in construction.I got most of them from a scap yard in the middle 90's out of a 45 gallon drum.They cost me nothing.I was there with the woman who is now my wife. She was a fellow sailor building a wind generator, and needed a DC motor to swing my design for home made 2X4 wooden propellers that I published in the club newsletter.The scrap man, a very large corpulent guy, sitting perched on a computer case with a fly swatter in hand much like a king with his mace on a throne was very upset. The motor operating his big shear had just died, and his whole crew were standing by, stopped by this tragedy.He was getting very red in the face saying he was losing thousands of dollars an hour, and they had get a repair man, and electrician, and they can' t come for a week!I looked around, there were motors laying on the floor, as far as one could see, in greasy piles.I said" it is just a motor, you have more motors than you know what to do with"You know about these things? You can make it work?I said sure.So there I was, in a scrap yard, with this really cute woman, who had a very high end professional career, directing a whole crew of scrap workers to pull the motor off a shear that could chomp off six inch diameter steel shafting.I quickly found a likely looking motor attached to some giant scrapped factory machine, and had them remove it.Motors were switched by guys more used to using sledge hammers, but really getting into the task, burbling away in all different languages, aligning it just so like true professionals.I connected up the wires, and threw the switch. It started chunking away like a good thing again.That yard manager was so pleased, he gave us the whole drum of DC motors.It wasn't bad, being a hero, witnessed by one of the best criminal lawyers in the country.Anyway, that is how I got those motors, and later, maybe my girl.Cheers WarrenSent from Yahoo Mail on Android
On Sat, Dec 9, 2017 at 3:59 PM, Norman Wootan [email protected] [EVGRAY]<[email protected]> wrote:
James! I am totally familiar with the Butane extraction technology but!! My "cascade" MVR , three totally "closed" and separate systems using three very unique and specific refrigerants for the thermal energy recovery. Rankin vortex is used in my Hydrogen Reactor for gas separation based on differing gas masses.
Doug! "no! I did not forget the PMI disk generator experiment! Go back and read my "parameters" of "Over Unity"! Sure! got measured O/U same as MRA but was not able to operate as a "Closed system" stand alone self runner. An absolute proof of true "Self running", "Over Unity", would be for a device to be placed into a sealed enclosure under "UHV" or "XHV" conditions (Hard vacuum) as used by CERN. Physics now just as Tesla claimed BTW is "densified aether".
See the conditions @:https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultra-high_vacuum EXTREME HIGH VACUUM
P.A. Redhead
National Research Council
Ottawa, Canada
Abstract
Methods for producing and measuring extreme high vacuum (XHV, which
is the pressure range below 10-10 Pa) and the limits on measurement and
production are examined. Techniques for reducing the outgassing rates of
the walls and components of XHV systems, including the gauges or RGAs,
are described and some of the lowest measured outgassing rates tabulated.
The lowest pressures attained in the XHV range have remained
approximately constant for 35 years, explanations for this plateau in
ultimate pressure are offered.
1. INTRODUCTION
Ultrahigh vacuum (UHV) is defined as the pressure range between 10-6 Pa (in Europe) or 10-7 Pa (in
the USA) and 10-10 Pa; extreme high vacuum (XHV) is defined as the range of pressure below 10-10 Pa
(7.5 ´ 10-13 Torr or 10-12 mbar). Ultrahigh vacuum is routinely achieved with commercial equipment
around the world; XHV is produced and measured with difficulty in a few laboratories with special
equipment. The need for UHV is widespread; the need for XHV is limited at this moment to some
accelerator and storage ring facilities, to the simulation of interstellar space, in the processing of
advanced semiconductor devices, and to a few other specialised applications. Research in the
improvement of XHV methods, which is at the limits of vacuum science, will almost certainly
improve the techniques used in the higher pressure ranges, as happened in the 1950s and 1960s with
the development of UHV. Some of the gas phase parameters of XHV are shown in Table 1.
Table 1
Gas phase parameters at XHV
Pressure
(Pa)
Molecular
density at 298 K
Molecular flux
N2 at 295 K
(molec. cm-2 s-1)
Molecular mean
free path l*
N2 at 295 K
Monolayer
time**
10-10 2.5 ´ 104 cm-3 2.9 ´ 108 3.4 ´ 104 km 44 days
10-13 25 cm-3 2.9 ´ 105 3.4 ´ 107 km 120 years
10–17
interstellar space
0.25 m-3 29 2.3 ´ 103
astronomical units
1.2 ´ 106
years
* Mean free path for electrons is le = 4 2l , and for ions li = 2l .
If your "self runner" can run without any external energy source (Totally closed and shielded) except the "densified aether" under "XHV" or UHV" conditions, I would say you have a "winner"!
Norm BTW! The most powerful "electrostatic generator ever built" operated in a sealed chamber @ 30 atmosphere pressure of pure hydrogen gas. Extremely high current at ultra high voltages so where did the "electrons" come from??????????????????
So much that you don"t know!
On 12/9/2017 12:37 PM, James Glinski [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
NormAre you talking about organic Rankin with cascading thermal energy extraction ?multiple points of energy removal ? Like a butane system using a parabola trough or a salt water heat sink pool . like a steam engine or turbine with butane as the systems fluids ?. You know getting it hot is not the problem its cooling down the vapors is the issue and multiple extraction points would help that out and a lot of copper . fans ..ionic charged radiators . On Dec 9, 2017 3:59 AM, "[email protected] [EVGRAY]" <[email protected]> wrote:
Hi Norm
Don't forget your experiment with the Rotovertor-motor spun PMI DC Servo motor (you sent me some of those!)
This DC "pancalke" motor spun and belt and pullied up to high rpms (I think 14,000rpm it was) and you reported some overunity comparing input watts to ouptu watts upon loading the DC motor and although things got hot it was pretty good test...
Seems to me all "we need" Is generator that does not display lenz law braking action upon loading such as this simple test here below in links, and what you saw too at that 14.000rpm approx...the prime mover/motor can be just about anything efficient: I will guess your RV-PMIDC servo motor experiment worked for same reason shown and explained here - as certain rpm and impedance of coils will "Delay" the lenz braking effect to happen upon upcoming or trailing-edge of rotor magnets...
https://www.youtube.com/watch? v=24I12hrpTDY&t=158s
https://www.youtube.com/watch? v=cVFXSZzUNmE&t=57s
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