Re: [EVGRAY] help!

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hi Warren, in fact it is strange, without load it turns even without  
the third phase (once started I can completely disconnect the  
capacitors), but it heats up, the rotor shaft becomes hot .... anyway  
checking the absorption on the three phases , I have seen that they  
are not equal, they are to scale, and if I increase the capacitors  
(8-40 microfarads), the phase connected with them increases, while the  
other two go down .... what must be the best combination .... ?  
perhaps the most possible equal?


"Warren Keillor [email protected] [EVGRAY]"  
<[email protected]> ha scritto:

> InfoThe rotor seems to be subject to eddy currents, perhaps?Somehow  
> this RV has been turned into an induction heater?Hector needs to be  
> consulted on this problem, to give some input as to why this motor  
> is curiously out of sync, somehow.Assuming it is newish, and in  
> normal running shape, there seems to be a lack of harmony between  
> the windings and the core rotor, yet as you say, it does seem to run  
> at expected speed. Strange, indeed!Cheers Warren
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
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>   On Sat., 29 Jun. 2019 at 3:29 a.m., [email protected]  
> [EVGRAY]<[email protected]> wrote:    
> Thanks for the help, you are very kind, even the others with their
> advice. The rotoverter heats up turning without load, with the free
> shaft it becomes very hot after a few minutes, even bringing the
> condensers to a minimum, type 1.5 microfarad, it runs well, the engine
> is new and absorbs little, about 0.2A, not should it stay cold ...?
> only the rotor is warmed up, the stator with the windings remains
> cold, but I fear that the heat of the rotor is transmitted to the
> locator damaging it. I noticed that the motor has more force with the
> current at 220 V without variac (at 172V) ... it will be because it is
> an engine that can work even at 60hertz, 690V ....? (I use it at
> 50hertz of the network, without inverter).
>
> "[email protected] [EVGRAY]" <[email protected]> ha scritto:
>
>> Hi Italian dude working on rotovertor
>> Ok spinning a big two meterr flywheel with a rotovertor AC motor is
>> going to be project!
>> A 5hp size 3ph motor is only going to be like a 1bp motor in shaft
>> power, when you do the rotovertor conversion.
>> Getting that flywheel spinning from stop will be near impossible,
>> you will need some other motor working as a starter motor for a
>> few.minutes, then bring in the rotovertor motor once flywheel going
>> speed you want.
>> Rotovertor since latched to sinewave, has only a 7% allowance in rpm
>> drop under load and it will drop out of latch with sinewave, and
>> stall. So you going to need very specific ratios of belts and
>> pulleys to make it so it keeps that flywheel spinning especially
>> when your generator is loaded..
>> Are you getting that heat in rotor when you do spin the flywhelel??
>> Are you that far yet? If so, then the heat is probably the battle
>> of rotor slipping out of sinewave. But the flywheel makes it revolve
>> when it doesn't want to.....during this time the motor is
>> alternator, maybe you can tap out power during this time.
>> I will think your project is going to need many run cap sizes,, a
>> variable frequency drive so you are not limited to the sinewave
>> frequency in what speed motor goes, and also that variac, and
>> eventually a bigger motor and one of permanent magnet rotor type too
>> so it is synchronous type motor not non synchronous so will have
>> more power, wiil not slip so easily out of such and not always be
>> stalling and requiring a restart...
>> Kone
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