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I warren can you repeat the I'd numbers for the Samsung 36 coil motor. ?
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On Sunday, March 31, 2019, Warren Keillor [email protected]
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> Tim
> There is an interesting experiment that I did a few years back involving
> tread mill motors, which by the vfc way, I have been using for years,
> getting mine in Toronto, the same way.
> I had a scrap yard just across the street, from my studio, when it was in
> the old 5 story coke cola factory, down near the waterfront. It was a
> wonderful resource for making stuff.
> I was a daily visitor too! I helped them identify unusual metals, use my
> Geiger counter, to check stainless steel, and lead, that may have cone from
> the nuclear plant, in case it was radio active.
> Back to those DC motors.
> Put ten of them in a line on a big long bench.
> Small lead acid 12 volt battery 5 Amps.
> Small 12 volt to 125 watt 120volt 60hz inverter
> Variac 5amps
> Full wave bridge rectifier
> Hook up 1st motor and run it at 35 volts
> Now take another bridge rectifier, flipped over, so the two DC terminals
> are opposite, yet attach the ac, to the DC inputs of the brushes to that
> first motor, trying to catch the back EMF from it, yet prevent the input DC
> from just running straight through to this next rectifier.
> Now take this back EMF you are capturing, and connect it to a second motor
> to run it also, only using, just that captured back EMF.
> This is where I found it interesting.
> That second motor runs fine, yet does not increase the amperage draw on
> that little 5 amp battery!
> You are going to need a drawer full of 6-10 amp 1000 volt rectifiers,
> which you likely have, already.
> Try to repeat, harvesting the back EMF from that second motor, running it
> to the brush terminals of #3 motor. It should run fine, too.
> Now, attach another rectifier to those brush wires remembering that the ac
> legs of the rectifier need to be flipped over each time, so the input from
> that second motor is separated from the back EMf coming out of #3.
> Keep going, if # 3 is also working just fine, as it was in my experiment.
> In fact, they don't just run fine, they run better than fine, powerful and
> just a bit faster than the last one!
> Doug Kone and I discussed this capturing of the EMF trick before I tried
> this.
> I was having sparks on the brushes with motors I was over working, for
> some project, and it was Doug who brought up the idea of capturing that
> EMF, rather than putting a cap on it.
> I had crates of the permanent magnet motors that I had been using to make
> wind generators for sail boats of my fellow sailing club members, who saw
> mine, on Solstice Moon, at our swing moorings.
> I wrote about this experiment to the EV gray forum, and other than Doug,
> got no response, nada.
> I did ten motors in a row like this because I had milk crates of them I
> had collected.
> By the way, #10 flipped odd the table when the whole chain of motors was
> connected, not being fastened down. It was getting 91 volts!
> Not bad from a weenie old 5 amp lead acid gel cell that had been going for
> at least twenty minutes, running the tiny 125 watt inverter,
> that somebody gave me.
> Power?
> Good question. So I took several motors, and played with them.
> I put pulleys, and belts, on some, using running motors to drive others,
> as generators.
> It was easy to get 17 Amps of thirty-five volts out of the two, I so
> belted up.
> The whole experiment was going on well over 3/4 of an hour, interrupted by
> friends dropping over to my studio, bringing beer, and gawking at the
> performance, on the table.
> It was some time later, that I tried something rash and frankly, stupid.
> I tried to loop it using the end motor output..... duh! 90 volts DC. What
> was I thinking?
> It just popped and smoked rectifiers all over the place.
> The motors were fine.
> I was then the phone rang and I was tied up in a big feature film for the
> next 5 and a half months, and all the toys had to go into the basement
> storage space of my house next door, clearing the space for my special
> effects studio workshop.
> I have been meaning to repeat that experiment again.
> I did try it again with toy motors. It was a failure.
> Years after, I think I figured out why.
> It was the fancy proper wired up bridge DC ge rectifiers all mounted on
> strips of aluminium angle and properly mounted, but not flipped ac, like I
> mentioned at the beginning.
> With enough big motors, you should be able to do a cheap and dirty
> replication of my experiment.
> Find a more clever way to loop it, like, just use one of the belt driven
> motors geared to deliver 13 volts, to the inverter, at the battery, or
> something.
> Use the 91 volts for some thing else
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> On Sun, 31 Mar 2019 at 1:56 AM, Tim tron
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> Thanks lol yes very cheap buy at scrap price but some time i will help
> unload scrap for hour or so if they are short handed .
> so they go easy on me when i buy from them.
> Hey let me know if your ever looking for anything and i will keep a look
> out for yeah and grab it and ship it to you no problem .
> I pass on a lot of stuff i see but i couldn't help my self when i seen the
> motors so i pulled them out of the treadmills. I stop by every
> day if possible and only 5 minute ride from home ha ha
>
> Tim
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> On Sat, Mar 30, 2019 at 7:14 PM Warren Keillor <
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> Tim
> You rock, and the scrap yard guys have kind hearts.
> Those motors especially the five horse are terrific!
> Good score!
> Cheers Warren
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> On Sat, 30 Mar 2019 at 6:38 PM, Tim tron
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> I just got the motors from a scrap yard today, set me back $8 lol for both.
> But i may mount an 8'' Samsung drum motor on the red one
> and see if it will loop 8))
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> Tim
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> On Thu, Mar 28, 2019 at 3:32 PM Tim tron <[email protected]> wrote:
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> My youtube channel https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCNf-
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> On Wed, Mar 27, 2019 at 12:51 PM Tim tron <[email protected]> wrote:
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> Hi Warren looks good, call me if you get a second 832 340 0315
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> Tim
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> On Tue, Mar 26, 2019 at 10:36 AM Warren Keillor <
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> Tim
> I have just made up the adapter plate from 5 /16" aluminium twhat mounts
> the Samsung to a 2.6 KW generator. I haven't finished the drive bushing
> adapter yet, but am very pleased with this little package, so far.
> Controllers do seem to be an issue to find something that will get the
> best performance, or for that matter, any performance out of the Samsung.
> I am building a circuit interface from an Arduino, published in Patrick
> Kelly's chapter 32.
> This is Thomas Buie's circuit design.
> It is unknown if it works.
> I just want my little rig to run a fixed 3600 rpm, if it can be done.
> Supplying 400 volts dc is not a problem, if that is what we need to do.
> How are your efforts going?
> Are you up against any problems?
> If anything might help let me know,
> I am a pretty good machinist and only fair with electronics, but can put
> it together, if need be, and make it work. I am an old Ham radio guy.
> The Arduino based controller, in concept, is a nice adaptable idea.
> As always, the devil is in the details, and keeping the EMF out of the
> controller chips, while at the same time getting positioning information,
> back from the motor.
> Any help would be gratefully appreciated.
> Cheers Warren
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> On Sat, 16 Mar 2019 at 6:52 PM, Tim tron
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> Gerard Morin is very rude , so i don't bother with him and it's a shame
> too.
> I do not know if he ever got looped / self running or not ?
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> Tim
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> On Sat, Mar 16, 2019 at 4:12 PM Warren Keillor <
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> Tim
> Gerard Morin has a very neat configuration, where he close coupled the
> Samsung to a commercial 10 KW generator that runs at 3600 rpm.
> He uses the bearing and shaft of the generator to mount the rotor.
> ( some kind of adapter is needed, I would think , as my Samsung has a 22
> mm 20 tooth, splined hole in the rotor) a custom broach if you get tired
> of machining splines, if you don't have a C&C lathe, or milling machine.
> The stator is mounted on the flanges of the generator, which for my little
> 2.5 KW 220 volt unit, are tapped, for some such arrangement.
> Gosh, it does make for a very quiet compact little unit.
> Except, now we come to the controller. I just need the Samsung to run at
> 3600 rpm.
> It is super easy to provide 440 volts using a 1:2 transformer, then
> rectifying it to DC.
> I suppose a starter is needed to get the motor to initially hit 3600 rpm
> That can be an inverter, 12V DC bvb to 220 volt AC then into the same
> transformer, relay switch over, and it self runs.
> I need help regarding the design of a simple controller.
> Patrick Kelly gives a detailed description for building a controller, but
> fails to endorse it as a working runner.
> What do you think?
> I bought a little sequencer kit, put it together, it sequences three LEDs
> which in parallel is 5 volts TTL logic good! But it was intended for 10
> LEDs, so blink on 1,2,3, but then blank, blank, blank for seven units of
> time, then 1,2,3,
> OK Arduino!
> Now Gerard seem very down on Cmos transistors.
>
> What does that leave?
> IGBTs?
> You have to get 400ish volts through the semi conductor very, very,
> quickly, without doing any damage, to either the component or the signal.
> The Arduino should be able to sequence the TTL signal just fine, at almost
> any speed.
> The semi conductor has to respond in a timely manner, switching on, then
> off, without fuss, or heating up.
> Is this all there is to it, to run the motor?
> Cheers Warren
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> On Thu, 14 Mar 2019 at 4:35 PM, Tim tron
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> Hi yes the Samsung motor is the way to go 8)
>
> Tim
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> On Thu, Mar 14, 2019 at 5:31 AM Warren Keillor <
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> Tim
> I am starting to learn what you are talking about.
> It is the Samsung motor that is the magic behind this generator device.
> The idea is that you turn the motor with as little current as possible to
> produce torque on the shaft.
> Under certain circumstances, these motors produce a very high ratio of
> torque output to electrical input.
> When you suggested I use a "drum" motor to power my auxiliary sail boat, I
> looked up on Google " drum motors", and got off on a wild goose chase,
> regarding industrial conveyer motors, essentially, gearhead rollers.
> I now see you must have meant what Gerard Morin is refering to, "drum
> motors" as a generic concept, so we are still talking about Samsung, LG,
> and so on, pancake motors.
> By directing a high voltage DC spike to the coils at a precise moment of
> the rotation, you get a crazy amount of torque in return?
> I am starting to get on the same page.
> There is enough torque produced by a tiny duty cycle, that it is possible
> to turn the shaft, run a generator, and use some of the power to, in fact,
> run the motor, with power left over.
> The generator is not so important to this concept as is the motor.
> That means one can use any generator, as long as the output can be
> converted to the best possible power source for the motor.
> I have fairly simple engineering needs to power a boat, then complicated
> by variable speeds, and reverse, to the propeller shaft.
> It would indicate one motor to turn a generator, and a separate motor to
> turn the propeller shaft, using that generated electricity.
> Assuming a surplus of electricity, there should be plenty to operate all
> the systems aboard a modern vessel.
> Am I starting to understand this idea?
> I have a .9 hp Samsung washing machine motor that I am making up a shaft,
> and bearing assembly for, on the lathe.
> I want to test it for torque measurements.
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> On Mon, 4 Mar 2019 at 2:43 PM, Tim tron
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> Hi Warren
> I use the Samsung as a prime mover and the ECM is used as the PMG .
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> Tim
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> On Mon, Mar 4, 2019 at 6:25 AM Warren Keillor <
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> Tim
> How many watts have you managed to get from one Samsung motor, used as as
> a generator itself?
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> On Fri, 1 Mar 2019 at 4:41 PM, Tim tron
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> I see you have a nice looking motor / gen set up and is that a PMG with a
> brushed motor. How did it do ?
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> Tim
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> On Wed, Feb 20, 2019 at 1:33 PM Warren Keillor <
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> Tim
> I'll be very careful with you, and Gary, as you know your local situation,
> which by the sounds of it, could be scary
> (I don't do social media, or facebook.)
> The U.S. has become very strange, lawless, almost like the wild west
> again, run by gangsters, from what you say.
> Here we are, just having fun, and
> getting off the grid, like our neighbors. Our stone building with the heat
> pump only uses 10 amps, which I would like to meet with photo electric
> panels, at the very least.
> Then there are eaves troughs to be put on all the barns to collect rain
> water. A 40 foot high, heavy cast concrete unemployed silo, that is loaded
> with potential, and possibilities.
> Are you familiar with the Muller, like Doug Kone is building?
> I have one as well, with 36 four filar coils on either side of a 19 magnet
> disc. I was inspired by RomeroUk's
> device that self ran, and Doug's good logic regarding my Kromery.
> My kromery has nearly a mile of rotating wire in it, inside stainless
> steel cans.....but all this gets very heavy and somewhat concerning when I
> hear what you are up against, compared to my little happy bubble life of
> discovery.
> How long do you need to fly under the radar before it is safe for you?
> Can you lift up roots, like a refugee, and come to a safer place?
> 10 KW is a substantial amount of electricity. If my friend in Haiti could
> build himself such a generator, it could materially change his village life
> expectancy.
> The Inuit, in Northern Canadian communities could also enjoy a better
> quality of life, compared to air freighted diesel fuel fired generators.
> We must first learn how to do this ourselves, then teach others.
> Cheers Warren
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> On Wed, 20 Feb 2019 at 12:33 PM, Tim tron
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> Me and Gary live in the USA and the danger is big here ! All it takes is
> one person in the chain to take every one down!
>
> Good luck with your drive system
>
> Tim
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> On Wed, Feb 20, 2019 at 11:16 AM Warren Keillor <
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> Tim
> Our provincial power company is owned by the province of Ontario, though
> it is a separate corporation.
> Around here, it is a dinky little distribution company that has trouble
> keeping the lights on.
> Even the guys who work for it, say
> "Get some solar panels"
> I don't care about selling technology. I showed everyone in my boat club
> how to make wind generators and carve a silent propeller from a 2x4.
> (One person was able to sail to Trinidad, set up shop, and make a good
> living selling wind generators, he learned to make, to fellow cruisers.)
> I expect I may carry on with the new generator, the same as regarding
> heating my barn, or anything else.
> As you well know, not many people actually make things themselves, not
> being inclined to use materials and machinery.
> It is no big deal to make a Bedini self running, however, I find it hard
> to imagine that it is a threat to anyone, except as a concept, that such
> things are possible.
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> On Wed, 20 Feb 2019 at 11:23 AM, Tim tron
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> Oil and power company's do not want to see free power among the people .
> Just last year a Russian had a free energy device and uploaded a video on
> youtube, He was killed !
> A UK guy did the same just 6 months ago and is now dead ! There are trolls
> on the web looking for OU ! You must understand that the danger is real !!!
>
> Tim
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> On Wed, Feb 20, 2019 at 10:10 AM Warren Keillor <
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> Tim
> Of course, this is private.
> You speak about danger.
> Just what is that danger, and who exactly is the criminal force behind it?
> Around here, where I live, I have found total support in every way, from
> everyone. The sceptics roll their eyes, but I don't shove it down their
> faces.
> My neighbors are trying to get themselves off the grid doing interesting
> things.
> It is a safe, and normal activity, in this part of Canada, designing and
> testing free energy devices.
> I am curious what you are finding yourselves up against.
> I am expecting no particular difficulties putting my 1954 Chevy truck on
> the road, modified with a Nissan Leaf motor, supplied by voodoo energy I
> make myself, up on the back deck of this farm stake truck, which can carry
> a 1 1/2 ton load.
> I mention the Nissan Leaf motor because my friend Mike has used two of
> them in his truck, he is building.
> None of us consider ourselves targets for recreational homicide
> freaks. Should we?
> If so, shouldn't the police be on the look out for such characters?
> It is a fairly relaxed atmosphere in Ontario, compared to, say, oil
> pumping Alberta, where a lot of people depend on oil for a living.
> Cheers Warren
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> On Wed, 20 Feb 2019 at 10:24 AM, Tim tron
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> Hi Warren look at the Gary's videos and that will give you a better idea
> of what we are doing.
> Also check out my gdrive of my freeGen and Gary's folder. Please keep all
> info private from
> others . OU can be dangerous to us all and we must wait till our trusted
> group is many !
> I will upload some Videos to my gdrive so you can download.
>
> Tim
>
> On Wed, Feb 20, 2019 at 8:08 AM Warren Keillor <
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> I most certainly am attempting a free generator, as a matter of fact, for
> more than 18 years, or so.
> I have had some minor success enough, to know it is possible.
> Hector Tores RV delivers 1.614 OU for me fairly reliably, but only several
> amps, from a lot of very heavy machinery.
> Tell me about your rig.
> Cheers Warren
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> On Tue, 19 Feb 2019 at 6:37 PM, Tim tron
> <[email protected]> wrote:
> Hi
> You should think about one or two 12'' drum motors as auxiliary power! as
> they are much more efficient motors. Also
> the google drive is for use if you plan on building a FreeGen and upload
> your build as you go to keep info private .
>
> Tim
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 19, 2019 at 6:42 AM Warren Keillor <
> [email protected]> wrote:
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> Tim
> Thank you. I see it there.
> I am working on powering a 20 foot auxiliary powered sailboat with two 3hp
> DC tread mill motors, as an inboard installation..... providing I can get
> them successfully running without batteries.
> I have pictures of the plans, the actual concrete boat, and the proposed
> installation, the motors, and so on.... that may take up too much of the
> shared file space, on this project alone.
> Then there is the heat pump heated stone barn, that may be of some
> interest to someone, again, with a lot of pictures.
> Then the Muller device, Kromery device, and my various other projects, and
> experiments.
> I don't want to pig the file space, yet I don't mind sharing.
> I am just concerned about overstepping a kind offer.
> Cheers Warren
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> On Tue, 19 Feb 2019 at 2:09 AM, Tim tron
> <[email protected]> wrote:
> Hi Warren look for the folder with your name and upload into it no problem
> 8)
>
> Tim
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> On Mon, Feb 18, 2019 at 6:04 PM Warren Keillor <
> [email protected]> wrote:
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> Tim
> Thank you for the invitation.
> I think I can now navigate your site.
> As I send photos of devices that I have built, do they sit in a file, much
> as those other files?
> Cheers Warren
>
>