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----- Forwarded message ----- From: "Warren Keillor" <[email protected]> To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Cc: Sent: Sun, 31 Mar 2019 at 6:21 AM Subject: Re: OU Folders - Invitation to collaborate TimThere is an interesting experiment that I did a few years back involving tread mill motors, which by the vfc way, I have been using for years, getting mine in Toronto, the same way.I had a scrap yard just across the street, from my studio, when it was in the old 5 story coke cola factory, down near the waterfront. It was a wonderful resource for making stuff.
I was a daily visitor too! I helped them identify unusual metals, use my Geiger counter, to check stainless steel, and lead, that may have cone from the nuclear plant, in case it was radio active.Back to those DC motors.Put ten of them in a line on a big long bench.Small lead acid 12 volt battery 5 Amps.Small 12 volt to 125 watt 120volt 60hz inverterVariac 5ampsFull wave bridge rectifierHook up 1st motor and run it at 35 voltsNow take another bridge rectifier, flipped over, so the two DC terminals are opposite, yet attach the ac, to the DC inputs of the brushes to that first motor, trying to catch the back EMF from it, yet prevent the input DC from just running straight through to this next rectifier.Now take this back EMF you are capturing, and connect it to a second motor to run it also, only using, just that captured back EMF.This is where I found it interesting.That second motor runs fine, yet does not increase the amperage draw on that little 5 amp battery!You are going to need a drawer full of 6-10 amp 1000 volt rectifiers, which you likely have, already.Try to repeat, harvesting the back EMF from that second motor, running it to the brush terminals of #3 motor. It should run fine, too.Now, attach another rectifier to those brush wires remembering that the ac legs of the rectifier need to be flipped over each time, so the input from that second motor is separated from the back EMf coming out of #3.Keep going, if # 3 is also working just fine, as it was in my experiment.In fact, they don't just run fine, they run better than fine, powerful and just a bit faster than the last one!Doug Kone and I discussed this capturing of the EMF trick before I tried this.I was having sparks on the brushes with motors I was over working, for some project, and it was Doug who brought up the idea of capturing that EMF, rather than putting a cap on it.I had crates of the permanent magnet motors that I had been using to make wind generators for sail boats of my fellow sailing club members, who saw mine, on Solstice Moon, at our swing moorings.I wrote about this experiment to the EV gray forum, and other than Doug, got no response, nada.I did ten motors in a row like this because I had milk crates of them I had collected.By the way, #10 flipped odd the table when the whole chain of motors was connected, not being fastened down. It was getting 91 volts!Not bad from a weenie old 5 amp lead acid gel cell that had been going for at least twenty minutes, running the tiny 125 watt inverter,that somebody gave me.Power?Good question. So I took several motors, and played with them.I put pulleys, and belts, on some, using running motors to drive others, as generators.It was easy to get 17 Amps of thirty-five volts out of the two, I so belted up.The whole experiment was going on well over 3/4 of an hour, interrupted by friends dropping over to my studio, bringing beer, and gawking at the performance, on the table.It was some time later, that I tried something rash and frankly, stupid.I tried to loop it using the end motor output..... duh! 90 volts DC. What was I thinking?It just popped and smoked rectifiers all over the place.The motors were fine.I was then the phone rang and I was tied up in a big feature film for the next 5 and a half months, and all the toys had to go into the basement storage space of my house next door, clearing the space for my special effects studio workshop.I have been meaning to repeat that experiment again.I did try it again with toy motors. It was a failure.Years after, I think I figured out why.It was the fancy proper wired up bridge DC ge rectifiers all mounted on strips of aluminium angle and properly mounted, but not flipped ac, like I mentioned at the beginning.With enough big motors, you should be able to do a cheap and dirty replication of my experiment.Find a more clever way to loop it, like, just use one of the belt driven motors geared to deliver 13 volts, to the inverter, at the battery, or something.Use the 91 volts for some thing elseCheers WarrenSent from Yahoo Mail on Android
On Sun, 31 Mar 2019 at 1:56 AM, Tim tron<[email protected]> wrote: Thanks lol yes very cheap buy at scrap price but some time i will help unload scrap for hour or so if they are short handed . so they go easy on me when i buy from them.
Hey let me know if your ever looking for anything and i will keep a look out for yeah and grab it and ship it to you no problem .I pass on a lot of stuff i see but i couldn't help my self when i seen the motors so i pulled them out of the treadmills. I stop by everyday if possible and only 5 minute ride from home ha ha
Tim
On Sat, Mar 30, 2019 at 7:14 PM Warren Keillor <[email protected]> wrote:
TimYou rock, and the scrap yard guys have kind hearts.Those motors especially the five horse are terrific!Good score!Cheers Warren
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On Sat, 30 Mar 2019 at 6:38 PM, Tim tron<[email protected]> wrote: I just got the motors from a scrap yard today, set me back $8 lol for both.But i may mount an 8'' Samsung drum motor on the red oneand see if it will loop 8))
Tim
On Thu, Mar 28, 2019 at 3:32 PM Tim tron <[email protected]> wrote:
My youtube channel https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCNf-hpDsPXE6pZVRPPeEqrA
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On Wed, Mar 27, 2019 at 12:51 PM Tim tron <[email protected]> wrote:
Hi Warren looks good, call me if you get a second 832 340 0315
Tim
On Tue, Mar 26, 2019 at 10:36 AM Warren Keillor <[email protected]> wrote:
TimI have just made up the adapter plate from 5 /16" aluminium twhat mounts the Samsung to a 2.6 KW generator. I haven't finished the drive bushing adapter yet, but am very pleased with this little package, so far.Controllers do seem to be an issue to find something that will get the best performance, or for that matter, any performance out of the Samsung.I am building a circuit interface from an Arduino, published in Patrick Kelly's chapter 32.This is Thomas Buie's circuit design.It is unknown if it works.I just want my little rig to run a fixed 3600 rpm, if it can be done.Supplying 400 volts dc is not a problem, if that is what we need to do.How are your efforts going?Are you up against any problems?If anything might help let me know,
I am a pretty good machinist and only fair with electronics, but can put it together, if need be, and make it work. I am an old Ham radio guy.The Arduino based controller, in concept, is a nice adaptable idea.As always, the devil is in the details, and keeping the EMF out of the controller chips, while at the same time getting positioning information, back from the motor.Any help would be gratefully appreciated.Cheers Warren
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On Sat, 16 Mar 2019 at 6:52 PM, Tim tron<[email protected]> wrote: Gerard Morin is very rude , so i don't bother with him and it's a shame too.
I do not know if he ever got looped / self running or not ?
Tim
On Sat, Mar 16, 2019 at 4:12 PM Warren Keillor <[email protected]> wrote:
TimGerard Morin has a very neat configuration, where he close coupled the Samsung to a commercial 10 KW generator that runs at 3600 rpm.He uses the bearing and shaft of the generator to mount the rotor.( some kind of adapter is needed, I would think , as my Samsung has a 22 mm 20 tooth, splined hole in the rotor) a custom broach if you get tired of machining splines, if you don't have a C&C lathe, or milling machine. The stator is mounted on the flanges of the generator, which for my little 2.5 KW 220 volt unit, are tapped, for some such arrangement.Gosh, it does make for a very quiet compact little unit.Except, now we come to the controller. I just need the Samsung to run at 3600 rpm.It is super easy to provide 440 volts using a 1:2 transformer, then rectifying it to DC.I suppose a starter is needed to get the motor to initially hit 3600 rpmThat can be an inverter, 12V DC bvb to 220 volt AC then into the same transformer, relay switch over, and it self runs.I need help regarding the design of a simple controller.Patrick Kelly gives a detailed description for building a controller, but fails to endorse it as a working runner.What do you think?I bought a little sequencer kit, put it together, it sequences three LEDs which in parallel is 5 volts TTL logic good! But it was intended for 10 LEDs, so blink on 1,2,3, but then blank, blank, blank for seven units of time, then 1,2,3,OK Arduino!Now Gerard seem very down on Cmos transistors.
What does that leave?IGBTs?You have to get 400ish volts through the semi conductor very, very, quickly, without doing any damage, to either the component or the signal. The Arduino should be able to sequence the TTL signal just fine, at almost any speed.The semi conductor has to respond in a timely manner, switching on, then off, without fuss, or heating up.Is this all there is to it, to run the motor?Cheers Warren
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On Thu, 14 Mar 2019 at 4:35 PM, Tim tron<[email protected]> wrote: Hi yes the Samsung motor is the way to go 8)
Tim
On Thu, Mar 14, 2019 at 5:31 AM Warren Keillor <[email protected]> wrote:
TimI am starting to learn what you are talking about.It is the Samsung motor that is the magic behind this generator device.The idea is that you turn the motor with as little current as possible to produce torque on the shaft.Under certain circumstances, these motors produce a very high ratio of torque output to electrical input.When you suggested I use a "drum" motor to power my auxiliary sail boat, I looked up on Google " drum motors", and got off on a wild goose chase, regarding industrial conveyer motors, essentially, gearhead rollers.I now see you must have meant what Gerard Morin is refering to, "drum motors" as a generic concept, so we are still talking about Samsung, LG, and so on, pancake motors.By directing a high voltage DC spike to the coils at a precise moment of the rotation, you get a crazy amount of torque in return?I am starting to get on the same page.There is enough torque produced by a tiny duty cycle, that it is possible to turn the shaft, run a generator, and use some of the power to, in fact, run the motor, with power left over. The generator is not so important to this concept as is the motor.That means one can use any generator, as long as the output can be converted to the best possible power source for the motor.I have fairly simple engineering needs to power a boat, then complicated by variable speeds, and reverse, to the propeller shaft.It would indicate one motor to turn a generator, and a separate motor to turn the propeller shaft, using that generated electricity.Assuming a surplus of electricity, there should be plenty to operate all the systems aboard a modern vessel.Am I starting to understand this idea?I have a .9 hp Samsung washing machine motor that I am making up a shaft, and bearing assembly for, on the lathe.I want to test it for torque measurements.Cheers Warren
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On Mon, 4 Mar 2019 at 2:43 PM, Tim tron<[email protected]> wrote: Hi Warren I use the Samsung as a prime mover and the ECM is used as the PMG .
Tim
On Mon, Mar 4, 2019 at 6:25 AM Warren Keillor <[email protected]> wrote:
TimHow many watts have you managed to get from one Samsung motor, used as as a generator itself?
Cheers Warren
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On Fri, 1 Mar 2019 at 4:41 PM, Tim tron<[email protected]> wrote: I see you have a nice looking motor / gen set up and is that a PMG with a brushed motor. How did it do ?
Tim
On Wed, Feb 20, 2019 at 1:33 PM Warren Keillor <[email protected]> wrote:
TimI'll be very careful with you, and Gary, as you know your local situation, which by the sounds of it, could be scary(I don't do social media, or facebook.)The U.S. has become very strange, lawless, almost like the wild west again, run by gangsters, from what you say.
Here we are, just having fun, and getting off the grid, like our neighbors. Our stone building with the heat pump only uses 10 amps, which I would like to meet with photo electric panels, at the very least.Then there are eaves troughs to be put on all the barns to collect rain water. A 40 foot high, heavy cast concrete unemployed silo, that is loaded with potential, and possibilities.Are you familiar with the Muller, like Doug Kone is building?I have one as well, with 36 four filar coils on either side of a 19 magnet disc. I was inspired by RomeroUk'sdevice that self ran, and Doug's good logic regarding my Kromery.My kromery has nearly a mile of rotating wire in it, inside stainless steel cans.....but all this gets very heavy and somewhat concerning when I hear what you are up against, compared to my little happy bubble life of discovery.How long do you need to fly under the radar before it is safe for you?Can you lift up roots, like a refugee, and come to a safer place?10 KW is a substantial amount of electricity. If my friend in Haiti could build himself such a generator, it could materially change his village life expectancy. The Inuit, in Northern Canadian communities could also enjoy a better quality of life, compared to air freighted diesel fuel fired generators.We must first learn how to do this ourselves, then teach others.Cheers Warren
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On Wed, 20 Feb 2019 at 12:33 PM, Tim tron<[email protected]> wrote: Me and Gary live in the USA and the danger is big here ! All it takes is one person in the chain to take every one down!
Good luck with your drive system
Tim
On Wed, Feb 20, 2019 at 11:16 AM Warren Keillor <[email protected]> wrote:
TimOur provincial power company is owned by the province of Ontario, though it is a separate corporation.Around here, it is a dinky little distribution company that has trouble keeping the lights on.Even the guys who work for it, say
"Get some solar panels"I don't care about selling technology. I showed everyone in my boat club how to make wind generators and carve a silent propeller from a 2x4.(One person was able to sail to Trinidad, set up shop, and make a good living selling wind generators, he learned to make, to fellow cruisers.)I expect I may carry on with the new generator, the same as regarding heating my barn, or anything else.As you well know, not many people actually make things themselves, not being inclined to use materials and machinery.It is no big deal to make a Bedini self running, however, I find it hard to imagine that it is a threat to anyone, except as a concept, that such things are possible.Cheers WarrenSent from Yahoo Mail on Android
On Wed, 20 Feb 2019 at 11:23 AM, Tim tron<[email protected]> wrote: Oil and power company's do not want to see free power among the people . Just last year a Russian had a free energy device and uploaded a video on youtube, He was killed ! A UK guy did the same just 6 months ago and is now dead ! There are trolls on the web looking for OU ! You must understand that the danger is real !!!
Tim
On Wed, Feb 20, 2019 at 10:10 AM Warren Keillor <[email protected]> wrote:
TimOf course, this is private.You speak about danger.Just what is that danger, and who exactly is the criminal force behind it?Around here, where I live, I have found total support in every way, from everyone. The sceptics roll their eyes, but I don't shove it down their faces.My neighbors are trying to get themselves off the grid doing interesting things. It is a safe, and normal activity, in this part of Canada, designing and testing free energy devices.I am curious what you are finding yourselves up against.I am expecting no particular difficulties putting my 1954 Chevy truck on the road, modified with a Nissan Leaf motor, supplied by voodoo energy I make myself, up on the back deck of this farm stake truck, which can carry a 1 1/2 ton load.I mention the Nissan Leaf motor because my friend Mike has used two of them in his truck, he is building.None of us consider ourselves targets for recreational homicide
freaks. Should we?If so, shouldn't the police be on the look out for such characters?It is a fairly relaxed atmosphere in Ontario, compared to, say, oil pumping Alberta, where a lot of people depend on oil for a living.Cheers Warren
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On Wed, 20 Feb 2019 at 10:24 AM, Tim tron<[email protected]> wrote: Hi Warren look at the Gary's videos and that will give you a better idea of what we are doing. Also check out my gdrive of my freeGen and Gary's folder. Please keep all info private fromothers . OU can be dangerous to us all and we must wait till our trusted group is many !I will upload some Videos to my gdrive so you can download.
Tim
On Wed, Feb 20, 2019 at 8:08 AM Warren Keillor <[email protected]> wrote:
I most certainly am attempting a free generator, as a matter of fact, for more than 18 years, or so.I have had some minor success enough, to know it is possible.
Hector Tores RV delivers 1.614 OU for me fairly reliably, but only several amps, from a lot of very heavy machinery.Tell me about your rig.Cheers Warren
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On Tue, 19 Feb 2019 at 6:37 PM, Tim tron<[email protected]> wrote: Hi You should think about one or two 12'' drum motors as auxiliary power! as they are much more efficient motors. Alsothe google drive is for use if you plan on building a FreeGen and upload your build as you go to keep info private .
Tim
On Tue, Feb 19, 2019 at 6:42 AM Warren Keillor <[email protected]> wrote:
TimThank you. I see it there.I am working on powering a 20 foot auxiliary powered sailboat with two 3hp DC tread mill motors, as an inboard installation..... providing I can get them successfully running without batteries.
I have pictures of the plans, the actual concrete boat, and the proposed installation, the motors, and so on.... that may take up too much of the shared file space, on this project alone.Then there is the heat pump heated stone barn, that may be of some interest to someone, again, with a lot of pictures.Then the Muller device, Kromery device, and my various other projects, and experiments.I don't want to pig the file space, yet I don't mind sharing.I am just concerned about overstepping a kind offer.Cheers Warren
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On Tue, 19 Feb 2019 at 2:09 AM, Tim tron<[email protected]> wrote: Hi Warren look for the folder with your name and upload into it no problem 8)
Tim
On Mon, Feb 18, 2019 at 6:04 PM Warren Keillor <[email protected]> wrote:
TimThank you for the invitation.I think I can now navigate your site.As I send photos of devices that I have built, do they sit in a file, much as those other files?Cheers Warren
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On Thu, 24 Jan 2019 at 5:57 PM, Tim tron (via Google Drive)<[email protected]> wrote: Tim tron has invited you to contribute to the following shared folder:OU FoldersOpenThis email grants access to this item without logging in. Only forward it to people you trust.
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