Body
Sometimes it is fun to go back in the archive and retrieve past dialog
on subjects like Anti-gravity etc.
Moray, I have several slides that will reveal more on the Counter
Vortices Pair production and the Ionizing AG effects that occur. The
magnetic lines re-connect phenomenon has opened the door to a lot of
explanations.
See:
The interaction with the Aether via magnetic reconnect may not be the
only connection. Time for some serious Grey Matter massage.
Our dialog from 2017.
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Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2017 01:06:07 -0400
From: Mbking42 <[email protected]>
To: [email protected], [email protected], [email protected],
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Norm,
You see the pattern!
Counter-rotating vortices, pair production, caduceus coils, magnetic
lines recombination,...
The vacuum manifests excess energy in counter-rotating pairs - conserves
angular momentum.
It can be done at the macroscopic level.
-Moray
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"Please read all of this posting, "especially all the comments"!
"All low pressure zones create natural vortices "pair production" in air
as did we find in water cavitation". (Implosion vortex phenomenon) which
produces a "plasma event"! "Hello Moray"!!
Vortex "pair production" I documented in water cavitation!
It has been documented (in wind tunnel) that vortices pair production
occurs in an "activated boundary layer" on an airfoil. Moray, this is
how the "aetheric energy" produces the anti-gravity effect in the "lift
puzzle". Sure! at angle of attack we have Newton's Third Law in play
along with the Bernoulli Theory but unseen is the contribution of the
vortices pair production. As in water cavitation, so be it in air since
both are "motive fluids"!
On 3/31/2017 7:50 PM, Norman Wootan wrote:
On 3/31/2017 7:40 PM, Norman Wootan wrote:
On 3/31/2017 7:39 PM, Norman Wootan wrote:
The answer is in the vortices that are generated As in
tornadoes, ionization occurs at micro level! Schauberger's
Repulsine device worked this way and produced AG effect!
On 3/31/2017 7:18 PM, John Berry [email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
So someone had reason to think that it was a beetle that
was the mystery insect and this is a close up of a
structure that is uncovered and changes angle during
flight:
Inline image 1
I am not sure who found this and I forget the supporting
details, but there is a good reason to think that's it,
but now I am going to try and explain how and why it works.
So we could sum this up as a bunch of cones shooting
energy through circular holes.
Ok, now I want to take what will seem like a funny
unconnected turn and point out the work of James Cornwell:
http://rexresearch.com/cornwell/cornwell.htm
So he made a device that seems to disrupt electronics to
a point that seem mysterious and the radiation passes
through Faraday cages, so this is aetheric energy, we
could say "radiant energy:.
If we look at the design of his device, he uses a
magnetron that is powered in an unbalanced manner (I
would expect that to output aetheric energy), and then
this radiation passed through transparent
electropositive and electronegitive transparent windows.
What I have found from my own research is that is
what I term "neutral" aether energy passes through a
transparent charged film, it is changed by that.
Tesla made a radiant energy receiver which was a large
plate covered in a special transparent coating.
The wire in Edwin's tube are coated in Teflon which is
the most strongly known electronegative material.
I also want to point out this:
http://amasci.com/weird/unusual/e-wall.html <A
transparent force wall from highly charged moving cling
film.
So we want to send energy through a transparent
material, but is there another way?
Well it turns out you can make a window with aetheric
energy, this can be done in either a cylinder, or a
plane, if a cylinder and there is an aether vortex going
on, the "ghost" of that cylinder rotates such that there
is "energy" from the solid parts of the cylinder where
the windows are.
With a plane (flat surface not the 'aero type'), an
aetheric radiation that occurs in the plane and focuses
in the center.
So, where is this window method used?
Paul Baumann and Edwin Gray both used holes in cylinders
and plates for this reason I believe, they condition
energies that are emitted through the windows.
But this is where we run into another group of devices.
So there was this guy in this field who went by the
handle DMBoss, he experimented with a discovery that
others have researched which is an energy beam that
occurs with magnets placed on tubes of noble gas, anyway
he also did other experiments and while I forget all the
details of the experiment, this one experiment he told
me about, he had a large pancake coil with a hole in the
middle and it was suspended, at some point with no
conventional cause it just suddenly started swinging.
It was a one off as such, but I will now explore several
similar things!
Next is Jeff Cook, he make a coil that while not quite a
pancake as it is long as well as wide the effect still
occurs, it also has the kind of asymmetry that effects
the aether, this was given an impulse of power that
could apparently bend flames, and when Tim Ventura of
the site "American Antigravity" tested it, this thing
sent out a beam that killed the piezo starters in a
distant gas cook top. Basically gravity like impulses
occurred.
Next, is Ronald Stiffler who made a device that created
an impulse that moved bits of paper and might have bent
a laser beam a bit, it consisted of one large and one
smaller iron toroid wrapped in a copper coil. Again
there is asymmetry and the larger fatter toroid is again
very thick.
Next is Morton L. Morton, he made a series of experiment
where a Van de Graff is induced somehow to discharge
through a glass tube to a large aluminium plate with a
hole in the center, this caused the emission of a
repulsive or attractive force depending on finer details.
Next is Podkletnov who after his spinning superconductor
success did a seriously suped up version of the Morton
experiment, his impulses were incomparably stronger, the
details are more exotic but the structure is similar to
a combo of Morton, Stiffler and Jeff Cook's device.
Next is Howard Menger, I will describe a hybrid device
that is a combo of his early experiment and his later
experiment for simplicity, take a large circular
aluminium disk with a hole in the center, put a carbon
rod wrapped with a copper coil around the rod, apply a
pulse from a battery (a modest 1.5v cell from a flash
light). This resulted in a huge thrusting up of the
aluminium plate that broke through his ceiling.
He actually could not fully replicate his early success
without making a seriously more built up version which
involved more coils and more power, but he was
apparently able to replicate the results to create an
antigravity craft.
Next, we will change thing a bit and look at the
"capwarp": http://amasci.com/caps/capwarp.html
This device creates a thrust, it was replicated
successfully by 2-3 people, one using the pages of a
book as the dielectric and pasting tin coil circles and
connecting strips on the pages. Each layer again
influences the space through the center, flow through
the center happens due to both a rotational effect that
occurs and possible having a positive on one end and
negative on the other.
Next is Doyle, this was in the Rex Research paper
infolios but not online I don't think, it was a large
circular capacitor that lost weight, no matter if the
positive or negative was up. it was just a science fare
project. He used Styrofoam as the dielectric.
Ok, so now have you watched the "fluxliner"
documentary? If not I HIGHLY recommend it!
The construction there and this is an "Alien
Reproduction Vehicle" is a large capacitor the size of
the saucer craft, the capacitor is in segments like the
cap warp with a hole in the middle, it also has a coil
the energy also goes through. Glass dielectric.
The guy who made the documentary was assassinated, but
in another version some report to have seen an extra
detail given, about a guy in university who made a
circular HV capacitor with glass dielectric, it lost all
weight.
I myself can vouch that this segmented approach is powerful.
If we look at moving through the center of such a
capacitor, we would see a series of positive and
negative planes (plates), alternating positive negative.
Much like Cornwell's transparent windows!
In addition while a plane creates a much stronger energy
that just a ring, Hamel and Searl and even Otis T. Car
would qualify, Searl has 3 concentric rings in the same
plane, and Hamel as 2 concentric rings but stacked 3 in
series and another large ring magnet below that.
To some extent all you need is a circle (a loop), it's
just that the more you have the more extreme the "window".
The biggest question is how the different types of
"window" change the effects of the energy that goes
through, a capacitor and a coil or a neutral object are
all very different and likely relate to different
effects on the energy that goes through the window.
Also my theory is that the window is about picking up
energies or qualities, but it is possible that it is
about filtering out energies or qualities, or about
changing energies of what moves through it.
But I think this is the basis of the bugs secret, and a
powerful secret of aetheric energy, this allows energy
to be variously conditioned.
John
John Berry
On Sat, Apr 1, 2017 at 11:09 AM, Norman Wootan
[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY]
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
wrote:
John! I would love to read your ideas and theory and
will also share my ideas as to how "flight" actually
works. I'm 79 now and have been at this since my
childhood since I grew up around aircraft. My Dad
had two and I would wash airplanes just for a ride.
(Late 40s). Norm
On 3/31/2017 2:43 PM, John Berry
[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
Norm, yes I know.
And I think I know what was going on with the
insects, I think I might know the shape and how
it worked.
I can write it up, but I just need to know you
want to read it, It might be a little long, it
makes a decent case.
John
John Berry
On Sat, Apr 1, 2017 at 2:40 AM, Norman Wootan
[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
[EVGRAY] <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
John! regarding the "shimmer/invisibility",
see this: Viktor Stepanovich Grebennikov
--- naturalist and a professional
entomologist. He is also an artist and an
intellectual with a wide range of interests
and pursuits. He is known to many as the
discoverer of the Cavity Structures Effect
(CSE). But very few people are familiar with
his other discovery, the one that also
borrows from Nature and its innermost
secrets. He has discovered antigravitational
effects of the chitin shell of certain
insects back in 1988 but, the most
impressive concomitant phenomenon he has
discovered at the same time was that of
complete or partial invisibility and/or of
distorted perception of material objects
entering the zone of compensated gravity.
Based on this discovery, Victor Grebennikov
used bionic principles to design and build
an anti-gravitational platform for hovering
flights at the speeds of up to 25 km/min.
Since 1991-92 he has used this device for
his own fast transportation.
"Zone of compensated gravity"????
On 3/28/2017 7:24 PM, John Berry
[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY] wrote:
Ok, I'll keep each account down to it's
bare bone details. It is of course worth
noting that none of this stuff has
stellar evidence, you either believe the
account or you don't, it is only in the
consistency that a real degree of
credibility arises.
Big generator, suddenly unloaded. A
report I heard from a guy who heard it
from a guy, in a power station a
generator, I want to say it was a
Westinghouse, when it was pulled offline
suddenly (but it's still generating) it
began to shimmer and disappear,
apparently it had been seen before but
it wasn't talked about.
An account on Keelynet, hmmm, I just
realized I included this one under
accounts of invisibility of iron, but it
was iron that made non-iron this
disappear anyway this guy who "Knew what
he was doing" stole 5 large
transformers, put them in a circle, put
a goat and other things to test it out,
they disappeared, then he got in the
circle and disappeared.
Ok, this one now I think about it is
also "different", an account that I
heard in connection to another account
actually, but it involved a guy who on
trying to conduct electricity through a
gel with iron particles found himself
displaced in time or something, I think
it was mentioned in connection with
another account I didn't include in my
count of a "Joe Cell" like device
(Proton Cell) that was powerd by an
inusual generator and possible a spark
gap, and this cell made for some
displacements in time also.
I now forget the guys name, but on the
Art Bell radio show, a guy rang in and
rang back a few times I think (not sure
I listened first hand to much of it), he
wound a high voltage transformer like an
NST, and when he threw (I assume steel)
screws near the HV arc they would
vanish. Screws have a right handed
helix, so that should attract the
electron type energy. The transformer he
specified was "scramble wound" not
neatly wound, i have found such
winding's especially if the degree of
chaos varies (starts neat, gets messy)
to create a lot of aetheric energy, and
they can pull energy in too, perhaps
from the spark gap creating a feedback
cycle of aetheric energy.
William Beaty's weird science site has
had feedback from people who have got
weird results from experiments, one
tells about a guy took some amplifier or
something, hooked it up to a steel loop
(the kind that would come with rabbit
ears something, with 90 degree bends
leading into and out of the loop (which
I have found to be a powerful aetheric
effect if the 2 sides are imbalanced
somehow), into which he dangled a paper
clip on cotton, the paper clip vanished
and when he reversed the connection to
the loop it re-appeared. In might have
been enveloped in a blue glow? (if you
look you will find the account)
I had a friend in Canada, I think he
said that he witnessed this, or maybe it
happened to his friends, they took a
steel coat hanger and shorted out a car
battery, it turned red, then white, then
started to shimmer and vanish.
You know Rex Research, well there was
another group in New Zealand (maybe it
was Australia) called Lost Tech Archives
IIRC, I never bought any of their stuff
(this was back before Rex Research put
stuff online for free) as I had opted
out of paying any money for more info
but some stuff I got for free, or was it
the catalog? Or a free first copy?
Well one of the things was a newspaper
clipping of a guy who way way back, I'm
going to guess the 50's at the earliest,
who had a suit with steel coils that
made him invisible. Another thing they
also had was a guy who made a vacuum
tube device that created rays that
caused things to lose weight.
In Gerry Vassalito's 2 books on Tesla
and cold wars secrets, he talk about how
arc welders would find steel tools
vanish, and finally they realized that
emissions from the arcs were doing this.
This was probably peculiar to the
technology used in the day. As William
Lyne points out in his again, 2 books,
welding with Hydrogen used to be a thing
and it was very overunity. While I guess
this was not that, such "features" tend
to get removed over time. But there is
an account of a guy welding a Pyramid
and hit levitated.
There are accounts of the steel
components in the Pharnsworth Fusor
sometimes turning transparent or
becoming invisible.
There are accounts of steel components
in more regular vacuum tubes sometimes
becoming invisible (still working, so
they were still there).
There is an account of a transformer
made with steel tube, not laminate, that
was made in the form of a bike so that
it could be ridden, it would cause the
transformer and the rider (or just the
rider?) to begin to vanish and to come
back babbling about what he saw. There
is also an account from Davis and Rawls
of treating the Pineal with a magnet,
but this is assumed to have only
resulted in seeing things dissolve in a
"3rd eye" kind of way.
Finally, there is an account that I have
a document on somewhere, a guy made a
device, he used copper wire from an old
telephone transmission transformer (I
have no idea if there is such a thing,
but that's what I recall), he had 3
steel cores which he wound bucking
electromagnetic poles on, I think he
energized them in a circular manner so
as to create a rotating field, but I'm
not sure, but he did have the frequency
increase gradually as it ran, at some
point objects put in the center would
disappear, he could make them reappear
also. I think the document might have
had a shot at what frequency might have
been used.
So, we have multiple accounts then
suggesting that there are a lot of ways
that steel can be treated that makes it
eventually "wig out' and disappear,
sometimes coming back, sometimes not
seemingly the object remains in the same
space and can be returned by reversing
the process, in other case not powering
it anymore seems enough (probably in
cases where the item is connected to
circuitry that has not vanished,
grounding the energy).
Oh, it's not iron, but there is also an
account of paper thin gold becoming
transparent when heated, both this and
the "regular vacuum tube" account above
were mentioned by someone on BBill
eaty's Vortex discussion list.
Oh, and as for the space warping one,
that is a claim by Stan Deyo, he had an
iron ring which he created multi axis
rotating iron atoms (hmmm, does that
sound like it could describe a helix?)
by pulsing 3 coils on different axis at
a special frequency at a special phase
relationship, this caused space to bend
in toward the device for a moment at
which point it would do nothing else,
not that device and even a newly built
device in that spot would not work, as
if the device was now "full" and had
sucked the relevant energy from the
space around it. But a new one in a new
spot would agian work once apparently.
So the note I made to myself based on
all of this is that the iron can be
energized a number of ways.
The effects I notices were:
Spark gap discharge <This featured
prominently, the vacuum tube is also a
similar kind of "current across a gap",
I guess to strech a point the gap in the
outer ring of the paperclip vanishing
device could also count.
Current through the iron, let me see, if
the output coils are not loaded
suddenly, then the core losses increase
(as the magnetic field is unopposed by
the generator coils) which includes
induction of currrent, so this could
apply to the first one, perhaps the
second one as some transformers are made
to only work loaded and unloaded will
draw too much current, conducting
current through iron particles in a gel,
Yup. Also that would go for the "extra"
account about similar effects from the
Joe/Proton cell. It might apply to the
home-made HV transformer, no idea what
kind of core he used.or if he had enough
primary turns to keep it from drawing
too much current thereby inducing excess
inductive losses. Paper clip account,
Yup, current through loop. My old
(actually young at the time) friend in
Canada, YUP! Lost Tech Archives paper
clipping of a jacket made with steel
coils which, yes, were electrified, so
YUP! Pharnsworth Fusor? Maybe a little
as it was electrified to a high voltage
and that was lost to the gas in
ionization, Regular Vacuum Tubes?
Probably. Steel Tube ride-on
Transformer? You bet! Rising freq.
device with bucking electromagnets?
Possibly. As for the the account from
Gerry Vassilitos, while current is
assumed not to be passing through the
steel objects that vanished, it would
have been likely passing through the
things being welded, so probably Yes!
Voltage: Probably not required, only
ones with propperly HV is Pharnsworth
and the HV transformer.
Saturation: Possible in a number of the
cases, but not all, not by a long way.
Physical stress: Maybe in some, but not
a major component.
Hysteresis: I think this could be a big
help but it's not present in anything
but the more transformer/generator type
examples
High frequency??? In only a few of the
cases.
If Norm's Buzzer is just a steel rod as
I understand it to be, it too would have
had this "induction in the core" going on!
Both eddy currents and Hysteresis and
it's directly electrically connected and
has a "spark gap" or sorts (mechanical
switches do spark :) ).
But I think that overall, the arc
welding and the HV transformer with
screws thrown at it and the several with
circles of steel and things vanishing in
the middle point to the effect being
aetheric, the steel is just good at
containing the aetheric energy, and when
it is contained then things "done" to
the steel tend to convert that energy,
weather it is mechanical stress such as
a buzzer or hysteresis or ohmic
resistance into more aetheric energy to
the point, a runaway feedback effect.
Merely having losses in iron probably
won't do anything if the aether is not
already involved.
John
John Berry
On Wed, Mar 29, 2017 at 11:51 AM, Mick
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<mailto:[email protected]> [EVGRAY]
<[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
John,
I am very interested in dimensional
shifts and their causes. Anything
you might provide based on these
cases you mention would be compelling.
Thanks,
Mick
On 3/28/2017 2:39 PM, John Berry
[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>
[EVGRAY] wrote:
I wish you had not brought up
the subject of pure Iron, I just
looked into it and it is
EXPENSIVE well I don't know what
that powder costs, but a single
10cm 2mm dia iron rod is a
couple hundred bucks if you want
pure.
Anything cheap has no purity
figures, well could be anything.
Of course while pure iron might
be better, the evidence for iron
being awesome points to it not
needing to be pure.
Looking at all the evidence I
have for iron, I think that the
number of ways it can be used
are numerous, just considering
invisibility, in some accounts
it is near a spark gap, in other
accounts current runs through
it, in some accounts there are
saturating magnetic fields but
in other accounts there aren't.
In some accounts there is HV, in
other accounts there is not, but
all the accounts I am thinking
of the iron got so charged with
energy it began to vanish.
I can think of at least 10 such
accounts, and a 11th where is
seemed to warp space instead of
vanish!
And that's without counting the
Philadelphia experiment which is
meant to have vanished because
of the iron in the ship.
And that's not counting another
where steel was used to make
things vanish but it wasn't the
steel that vanished, but that
should probably be counted also.
If you want I can go over the
claims in each case, but that's
a lot of evidence that Iron can
do some interesting things!
So while there might be ways to
get the iron to produce energy,
I think the key is that much as
with the locked rotor and MRA
tests, energy (aetheric) can be
built up to a very high level in
iron no matter where it comes from.
And if this energy is expelled
all at once, look out!
Incidentally I found a form that
is very effective at keeping
energy in, condensing. I don't
know if this suits the iron
subject, but it might.
Inline image 1
This was arrived at by
experimentation and I'm not sure
if I have an explanation it
would do full justice.
Again if you are willing to try
and do something as out there as
feel energy from a screen, this
is a good one to try.
John
John Berry
On Wed, Mar 29, 2017 at 3:51 AM,
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<mailto:[email protected]>
[EVGRAY] <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>
wrote:
one word (Gravity)
every particle is a
transform engine ...
(H)