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Thank You Ole, for I had read about Marcel Vogel and the quartz crystal
vortex experiment. Interesting effects.
On 1/4/2019 7:24 PM, [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>
> Hi Norman,
>
> "Joel was fascinated by the fact that the water flowing around in the
> Sonodiffuser tygon tubing was magnetized."
> This reminds me of an experiment done by Marcel Vogel where he spun
> water through a Pyrex glass tube around a big quarts crystal cut in a
> special way. Marcel was flung into the wall by some kind of force and
> found the experiment interesting but wouldn't dare to repeat it. He
> was around 70 years old and didn't like the effect on his body.
>
> "Although in most cases it was found that water generated a weak
> magnetic field, on one occasion a different effect was noted. Normally
> the effects noted above were attained by circulating water through a
> Pyrex glass tube coiled seven clockwise turns, around a tuned crystal.
> By reversing the position of the crystal so that the firing tip was
> pointed upwards, an energy was released that lifted Marcel off the
> floor and flung him to the wall. He was standing approximately three
> feet away from the apparatus when this happened. Afterwards his eyes
> were burned as if from intense radiation. "
>
> Citation and pictures are from here about halfway down the page:
> http://marcelvogel.org/#squiggle
>
> This force is probably caused by one or more of the fields mentioned
> by William J. Hooper.
>
> Regards
> Ole
>
>
> ---In [email protected], <nwootan@...> wrote :
>
> An added note to Moray King regarding the vortex-anti vortex reconnect
> phenomenon in water. When I was working in Joseph Bender's lab, he
> had a book written on the Schauberger Implosion Vortex Electrical
> corona effects at the output of the vortex. (Electro-magnetic).
> Little known is the fact that in an implosion vortex the pressures
> approach infinity in the needle fine vortex core which causes the
> dissociation of the water molecules and the recombining explosion
> (H-H-O) which yields the emission of photons in the UV, blue range of
> light. Joel was fascinated by the fact that the water flowing around
> in the Sonodiffuser tygon tubing was magnetized. The plasma introduced
> the magnetism into the event since there is such a powerful magnetic
> current in plasma.
>
> On 1/4/2019 6:10 AM, Norman Wootan wrote:
>
>> Bert, During the time Joel & I were working with MRA, 1995, I
>> contacted a magnet mfg in China to make prototype magnet that I
>> called a "Light magnet" for it had Fe, Ba, Ti and Zi. Looks
>> like I was on the right track back then. Joel said it had a light
>> channel. The Magneto-electric effect was the correct research
>> path. Had we known about the Magneto-electric ( flux reconnect)
>> effect back then, the whole story would have been altered. The
>> "pressure-induced magnetic phase transition."should be very
>> interesting approach for You and Phil since you have the Z pinch
>> (quarter shrinking chamber) which provides the more than 23GPa
>> over pressures to get the magnetic field conversion effect. The
>> Z pinch effect provides the same over pressures that you would
>> get with high speed explosives but probably much faster, down in
>> the nano sec. range. The PLUS + for you is you don't have to deal
>> with TNT. Lol Please read these references to see why the Army
>> Boys were blowing up PZT.
>>
>> BTW, when we were driving the MRA at super high Q in the peak
>> resonant range (lossless region of the curve) we were in effect
>> getting the flux conversion pressures for possible reconnect
>> phenomenon. They did it in the lab with vortex/anti vortex in
>> water just as Joel and I got in my Sonodiffuser.
>> https://www.researchgate.net/publication/278715793_Reconnection_of_skewed_vortices
>> Ok! Moray King,this was what we saw in the Sonodiffuser when stop
>> action strobe and getting the implosion light emission in the UV,
>> Blue wave length.
>>
>> See attached APL RingNiPZT.pdf
>>
>> https://aip.scitation.org/doi/abs/10.1063/1.2986470?journalCode=jap
>>
>> https://www.azom.com/article.aspx?ArticleID=3759
>>
>> https://www.americanelements.com/research/electrical-and-magnetic-properties-of-barium-hexaferrite-modified-barium-zirconium-titanate-lead
>>
>> https://www.researchgate.net/publication/276162517_NiCo-lead_zirconium_titanate-NiCo_trilayered_magnetoelectric_composites_prepared_by_electroless_deposition
>>
>>
>> On 1/3/2019 8:27 PM, Bert Pool wrote:
>>>
>>> Norm, I was reading that Wired.com article
>>> <https://www.wired.com/2009/03/army-turns-bomb/> you linked to
>>> in the e-mail below, and I spotted something very weird and
>>> out-of-place. Maybe. Well, not just /maybe/, but /yeah, really
>>> weird and out-of-place/.
>>>
>>> The article talks about how researchers are blowing up neodymium
>>> magnets to release phenomenal electrical currents. But please
>>> re-read this paragraph from the article:
>>>
>>> /Having proved the principle by blowing up neodymium magnets
>>> (like the ones in your headphones) the Army's Aviation and
>>> Missile Research Development and Engineering Center (Amrdec)
>>> have moved on to *lead zirconate titanate magnets*. The current
>>> state of the art is described as a//completely explosive
>>> ultracompact high-voltage nanosecond pulse-generating system
>>> <http://scholarsmine.mst.edu/post_prints/CompletelyExplosiveUltracompactHigh-VoltageNan_09007dcc805885f1.html>//,
>>> occupying about one-fifth of a cubic inch./
>>>
>>> Now, I know that your MRA device used lead zirconate titanate
>>> (also known as PZT) ultrasonic TRANSDUCERS.
>>>
>>> This article says the researchers are blowing up lead zirconate
>>> titanate _*magnets*_. As far as I know, there is no such thing
>>> as a lead zirconate titanate magnet! I still have a pile of the
>>> original MRA PZT's. Now, perhaps the author of the article is
>>> probably just accidentally mixing apples and oranges and just
>>> flat out made a mistake in calling the PZT material a magnet.
>>> But *someone* he talked to mentioned using PZT in these
>>> explosive experiments - because no one just accidentally spits
>>> out "lead zirconate titanate" in casual conversation, especially
>>> when the topic is specifically blowing up neodymium magnets -
>>> which normally has nothing whatsoever to do with piezoelectric
>>> crystals!
>>>
>>> Maybe the MRA just needed a bit more cee four "oomph" to
>>> generate that over-unity pulse. . . . . :>)
>>>
>>> Bert
>>>
>>>
>>> /
>>> /
>>>
>>> /
>>> /
>>>
>>> /
>>> /
>>>
>>> On 12/31/2018 5:43 AM, Norman Wootan wrote:
>>>>
>>>> https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Directed-energy_weapon This
>>>> document is a pretty good review of the DEW technology so
>>>> far. My prime interest is in the annihilation of magnetic
>>>> flux which according to the Wired article produces a stream of
>>>> particles that can be focused and channeled to a target. My
>>>> question is, What are the particles that composed the magnetic
>>>> flux before destruction and do they comply with the SUPER LIGHT
>>>> theory. Folks, this is whole new ball game if we can create
>>>> vast energy from directly destroying magnet flux. Kone, just
>>>> blow up a few of your 1.5 Tesla one inch cube magnets and have
>>>> a direct generation of "pressure-induced magnetic phase
>>>> transition." electric output in KV @ KA. BTW, this is one for
>>>> Ole to comment on. Lol
>>>>
>>>> On 12/30/2018 1:51 PM, Norman Wootan wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> To add to the info on the Neo magnetic NNEMP weapon, take a
>>>>> look at this Army doc.
>>>>> https://www.wired.com/2009/03/army-turns-bomb/ In the old Flux
>>>>> compression Generators there was a need for HV capacitor bank
>>>>> and a long solenoid coil to provide the powerful magnetic flux
>>>>> field needed to be annihilated which yielded the EMP
>>>>> (Magneto-electric pulse). It reasoned that the new family of
>>>>> Neo magnets held the necessary flux strength which negated the
>>>>> heavy capacitors and copper solenoid coil. With a super fast
>>>>> explosive , Octanitrocubane could destroy the Neo's in the
>>>>> nanosecond range needed for the EMP shot (magnetic flux
>>>>> converted into particle flux which is the constituents of the
>>>>> magnetic field)
>>>>>
>>>>> https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Octanitrocubane
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 12/30/2018 11:42 AM, Norman Wootan nwootan@...
>>>>> <mailto:nwootan@...> [EVGRAY] wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Remember that my main line of research is the Magnetic flux
>>>>>> annihilation-Reconnect EMP phenomenon. Here is a first step
>>>>>> into learning more about the Magnetoelectric effect. Just
>>>>>> build sensors. See attachment. Now that you have a sensor
>>>>>> lets look at the Magnetoelectric (EMP output when you destroy
>>>>>> a very powerful neo magnet via rapid explosives. Remember
>>>>>> that energy cannot be destroyed but can convert into another
>>>>>> form of energy we call the Magnetoelectric EMP. See
>>>>>> https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Explosive-driven_ferromagnetic_generator
>>>>>> This is a direct conversion of powerful magnetic flux field
>>>>>> directly into very high power electrical output.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 12/30/2018 11:29 AM, Norman Wootan wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Tesla's Pyro generator to which I referred which took
>>>>>>> advantage of iron phase shift.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://teslauniverse.com/nikola-tesla/patents/us-patent-428057-pyromagneto-electric-generator
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Somewhere here we have to jump back and address IONS both positive and negative. See my 1996 paper for KeelyNet titled WHAT is Heat which dealt with ionization and its potential. The loss or gain of electrons in the atomic lattice causes the precise predictability of the various phase change points.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This is the Bad Boy that I wanted to build using nitrogen gas and an alpha emitter electrodes.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What is Heat #2
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> For about 10 years I have been studying the effects of
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> heating and cooling associated with the phase change of
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> liquids with the hope of building a simple generator of
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> electrical power around the phenomenon.The reason for this
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> interest is based on the theory that energy can be extracted
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> from the ambient background via thermal differentials.My
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> line of thinking really took off back when I experimented
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> with the all too familiar Peltier junction devices found in
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> electronic cooling devices.Would you believe that most
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> people do not understand how these devices move thermal
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> energy through a current flow across a semiconductor
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> junction.Historically we find that German physicist,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thomas Seebeck back in 1820 observed that when heat was
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> applied to a junction of copper and steel wire that
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> electrical energy resulted.Later in 1834 Jean Peltier
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> discovered that when a direct current was applied to two
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> dissimilar metals the junction got hot or cold.It was not
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> until 1838 that Emil Lenz clearly showed the importance of
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> both Seebeck and Peltier s discoveries by placing a drop of
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> water on the junction of dissimilar metals which froze then
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> melted when the polarity of the direct current was
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> reversed.These discoveries remained dormant for over 100
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> years because of the unavailability of semiconductor
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> materials which could provide the wide temperature
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> differentials.In the 1930 s semiconductor materials became
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> available which revived the electric cooling principles.In
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> the 1960 s many companies began building spot cooling
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> devices and refrigerators based on these effects using a
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> junction material of bismuth-telluride. Today more advanced
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> materials are used with the basic parameters of being a pore
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> thermal conductor but being an excellent electrical
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> conductor. The dissimilar materials must provide a high
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> coefficient of voltage temperature relationship.The first
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Peltier devices that I experimented with back about 10 years
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ago were built by Marlow Industries here in Dallas.With a
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> small temperature differential across the device a weak
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> current with an attendant voltage was developed.Increasing
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> the differential provided a proportional increase in current
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> and voltage.About 6 years ago I posted a chart of the
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> wattage generated from two different size Peltier chips on
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> the KeelyNet BBS.My curiosity was based on the puzzle of
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> how electron flow could move thermal energy across the
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> junctions and how electrical energy was produced by moving
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> thermal energy across the junction.This is a directly
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> reversible situation based on polarity.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Now let us look at a very familiar parallel process used in
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> refrigeration, cooling and heating devices employing phase
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> change material such as water and refrigerants.We have
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> always been led to believe that evaporating water provided
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> cooling effects which is a mechanical process. By the same
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> mechanical process we are provided heating effects by the
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> condensation of a gas back to a liquid phase change.Would
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> you believe that any material that undergoes a phase change
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> provides an attendant electrical effect.Back in 1840
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Armstrong invented an electrostatic generator based on
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> escaping steam through insulated nozzles which provided one
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> of the most powerful devices of this type ever built.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Popular belief was that this was a frictional process with
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> the electrical output resulting from the steam friction
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> passing through the nozzles.After reading an old (1920 s)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thermodynamics in Chemistry text book I realized that the
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> phase change of materials was an electrical phenomenon and
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> not purely mechanical.The atoms of the material lose or
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> gain electrons in the process which accounts for the
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> discrepancy in the energy equation when a material
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> transitions between phases.More energy is present after
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> the phase change back to the lower form or atomic state. The
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> text book stated that this phenomenon could not be
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> explained.When Jerry and I attended a Conference hosted by
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hal Puthoff down in Austin back about 6 years ago a
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> physicist from Austria presented a paper on the phase change
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> of water and the attendant electrical phenomenon which is
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> totally not understood by modern science.Now my suspicions
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> were confirmed that phase changes of materials are an
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> electrostatic phenomenon, which leads us to the fundamental
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> question of, What is heat?We were told in the school
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> that heat is the presence of energy and cool is the absence
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> of energy.What is the form of this energy?Let us look at
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> a very simple example of heating which may explain this
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> process.When sunlight strikes an absorbing surface it is
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> heated because electrons in the material are converted to
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> photons which are emitted in the infrared band of light
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> leaving the material in a net positive state or hot.The
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> more electrons a material looses the hotter it becomes.Now
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> the inverse situation is explored by evaporating some water
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> from the surface of a material which leaves the surface in a
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> net negative state or cold.Heat or cold is based on the
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ion relationship in the material.When we apply a flame
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> (ionizing) to a material we cause the emission of photons
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> which is basically stripping away electrons from the atomic
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> structure causing a gross net positive situation to occur.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Now we are getting a picture as to how an electric current
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> across the Peltier junction can transport thermal energy
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> (ions).Since the energy is in the form of presence or
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> absence of electrons then it is a simple explanation as to
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> how the process works.All phase change processes work the
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> same way basically via ion transport and are not mechanical
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> processes which we were taught.Everything in chemistry is
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> an electrical or electrostatic process at the atomic level
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> based on the ionized state of the atoms involved.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> At a Vangard Science Round table discussion several years ago
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> we talked about the ion wind method of fire fighting in
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> which ionized air will extinguish a flame because of the
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> cooling effects.Now we see Patents issued based on
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> negative ion spraying of a surface causing it to rapidly
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> cool because it becomes net negative charged.This is a
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> very efficient method of air-conditioning because an ion
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> generator operates at very high voltages with very little
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> current involved.It is possible to develop this ion
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> transport (thermal energy) to provide direct electrical
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> output from very subtle temperature differentials.Remember
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> that this is a direct reversible process where a thermal
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> differential will cause a development of current and voltage
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> as in the Peltier device.I hope that this dialog will
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> provide some food for thought out there on the KeelyNet.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Please provide some feedback on this very interesting line
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> of experimentation.Norm
>>>>>>>
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