Re: [EVGRAY] Re: multipacting and secondary emission electron multiplication

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Warren,

Hector is breaking it down!

What is the definitive factor between a transverse wave and a Tesla
electric sound wave?  How would you define the difference and what
creates longitudinal pumping?

On 12/29/2018 9:08 AM, Warren Keillor [email protected]
[EVGRAY] wrote:
>  
>
> Hector
>
> Have you ever heard of wearing pearls in front of swine?
> I have to sort of blink, and go "Duh?"
> with your heroic cinder block toss, because I am not sure exactly what
> you are talking about, except, where the extra energy, we find coming
> out of the RV, is coming from?
> The side band carrier wave of a frequency modulated transmitter?
> There are lots of words there.
> Let us look what we are doing.
> We take a 5 amp 12 volt lead acid battery and connect a 12 volt to 120
> volt ac inverter to it, producing 125 watts of 120 ac?(of course you
> can't start a 3 hp RV on that supply, you get it up to speed using the
> grid, then switch over, while at 1780 rpm) now tuning the RV
> capacitors to the least draw, say, 200ma@ 120 volts?
> Now on your capacitor circuit you have a single pole single throw
> switch shunted off in series.
> Also connected to the terminals of that same switch, is a multi
> purpose hardware store transformer primary pair of wires.
> While the RV is at full speed, you open the shunted switch, putting
> the primary windings into the capacitance circuit of the RV.
> In the numerous secondary options of that transformer, there is a 12.8
> volts, measured, coming out.
> Put a bridge diode rectifier on that turning the ac, to dc.
> Put a dc load on that secondary, tuning your capacitance running the
> RV to minimum amperage draw.( this pre-supposes that you have made a
> good, well built, capacitor tuning box, with proper switches, and hard
> wired, rather than screwing about with jumpers, and alligator clips!)
> You then find you put in from the battery 1.5 amps, at 12 volts dc,
> and get 2.5 amps dc 12 volts dc, at the load.
> So where is this FM sideband coming out of? And what do you mean by
> that, anyway.
> Remember, you are not just talking to me, you are addressing the
> world, so keep your explanation in small practical words, so others
> will understand, too.
> Cheers Warren
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>     On Sat, 29 Dec 2018 at 7:52 AM, [email protected] [EVGRAY]
>     <[email protected]> wrote:
>      
>
>     Power factor in a sense is a side band FM modulation of the ac
>     power carrier frequency ...as power factor shifts the phase angle
>     so also the frequency ....
>
>     There! i threw the cinder block in the store front window !
>
>     that is how the RV virtual phase is created !
>
>
>     (H)
>
>
>
>
>     ---In [email protected], <onielsen@...> wrote :
>
>     Hi Mick,
>
>     I didn't know that a spark gap creates FM modulation. But the
>     secondary breakdown through the semiconducting crystal behaves
>     like a spark gap with its negative resistance characteristic. The
>     modulation must depend on the external circuit. The breakdown can
>     be triggered by the base or just by reaching the breakdown voltage
>     of the device.
>
>     Regards
>     Ole
>
>
>     ---In [email protected], <mkjekyll@...> wrote :
>
>     Ole,
>
>     Thanks for the good info.
>
>     Do you know if a high speed avalanche transistor creates an FM
>     modulation as does a spark gap?
>
>     On 12/28/2018 2:16 PM, onielsen@... <mailto:onielsen@...> [EVGRAY]
>     wrote:
>
>>              
>>
>>             Hi Mick,
>>
>>             "Can you explain how and if avalanche currents in certain
>>             transistors can
>>             mimic multipaction and the electron multiplication of
>>             secondary emission?"
>>             The second breakdown
>>             <https://wiki2.org/en/Second_breakdown#Secondary_breakdown>
>>             acts like an avalanche that can't be stopped except by
>>             disrupting the current from outside the transistor. The
>>             first breakdown is kind of like the Zener effect while
>>             the secondary breakdown is a negative resistance
>>             characteristic where the transistor shorts.
>>
>>             "You mentioned awhile back a concept of power
>>             multiplication through
>>             avalanche mode rather than resonance as the system could
>>             be much less
>>             finicky.  Could you elaborate on this concept?"
>>             The avalanche is like a solid state spark gap and happens
>>             very fast like in a few nsec or less.
>>             https://wiki2.org/en/Avalanche_transistor
>>
>>             Bipolar transistors optimized to be used in avalanche
>>             mode:
>>             https://www.diodes.com/products/discrete/bipolar-transistors/special-function-transistors/avalanche-transistors/
>>             Normal bipolar transistors aren't optimized for avalanche
>>             mode operation and their breakdown parameters may vary a
>>             lot even having the same type number. They'll still show
>>             the breakdown effect.
>>
>>             Understanding Power Transistors Breakdown Parameters:
>>             https://www.onsemi.com/pub/Collateral/AN1628-D.PDF
>>
>>             "It is interesting to note that during multipaction
>>             events much of the
>>             technology present is designed to limit the amplification
>>             event to
>>             prevent damage to the devices."
>>             If the device melts or explodes it's no longer useful.
>>             This is a good reason for limiting the effect. This means
>>             the current must be limited or cut off from the outside
>>             as the device can't do it after being triggered.
>>
>>             Regards
>>             Ole
>>
>>
>>
>>             --In [email protected]
>>             <mailto:[email protected]>, <mkjekyll@...>
>>             <mailto:mkjekyll@...> wrote :
>>
>>             Ole,
>>
>>             Can you explain how and if avalanche currents in certain
>>             transistors can
>>             mimic multipaction and the electron multiplication of
>>             secondary emission?
>>
>>             You mentioned awhile back a concept of power
>>             multiplication through
>>             avalanche mode rather than resonance as the system could
>>             be much less
>>             finicky.  Could you elaborate on this concept?
>>
>>             It is interesting to note that during multipaction events
>>             much of the
>>             technology present is designed to limit the amplification
>>             event to
>>             prevent damage to the devices.
>>
>>             Great data here:
>>
>>             https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multipactor_effect
>>
>>             More intense version:
>>
>>             https://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/1112/1112.2176.pdf
>
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