Re: [EVGRAY] Re: multipacting and secondary emission electron multiplication

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Thanks Hector,  for explaining this in simple to understand concept.  I
was wondering how long you would hold this one close to the chest.

Along these lines I highly recommend Wesley's new video with the
insulators conducting RF.  Just skip to the end to see the effect 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KLAPRNWuAn4

On 12/29/2018 7:48 AM, [email protected] [EVGRAY] wrote:
>  
>
> Power factor in a sense is a side band FM modulation of the ac power
> carrier frequency ...as power factor shifts the phase angle so also
> the frequency ....
>
> There! i threw the cinder block in the store front window !
>
> that is how the RV virtual phase is created !
>
>
> (H)
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> ---In [email protected], <onielsen@...> wrote :
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> Hi Mick,
>
> I didn't know that a spark gap creates FM modulation. But the
> secondary breakdown through the semiconducting crystal behaves like a
> spark gap with its negative resistance characteristic. The modulation
> must depend on the external circuit. The breakdown can be triggered by
> the base or just by reaching the breakdown voltage of the device.
>
> Regards
> Ole
>
>
> ---In [email protected], <mkjekyll@...> wrote :
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> Ole,
>
> Thanks for the good info.
>
> Do you know if a high speed avalanche transistor creates an FM
> modulation as does a spark gap?
>
> On 12/28/2018 2:16 PM, onielsen@... <mailto:onielsen@...> [EVGRAY] wrote:
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>>          
>>
>>         Hi Mick,
>>
>>         "Can you explain how and if avalanche currents in certain
>>         transistors can
>>         mimic multipaction and the electron multiplication of
>>         secondary emission?"
>>         The second breakdown
>>         <https://wiki2.org/en/Second_breakdown#Secondary_breakdown>
>>         acts like an avalanche that can't be stopped except by
>>         disrupting the current from outside the transistor. The first
>>         breakdown is kind of like the Zener effect while the
>>         secondary breakdown is a negative resistance characteristic
>>         where the transistor shorts.
>>
>>         "You mentioned awhile back a concept of power multiplication
>>         through
>>         avalanche mode rather than resonance as the system could be
>>         much less
>>         finicky.  Could you elaborate on this concept?"
>>         The avalanche is like a solid state spark gap and happens
>>         very fast like in a few nsec or less.
>>         https://wiki2.org/en/Avalanche_transistor
>>
>>         Bipolar transistors optimized to be used in avalanche mode:
>>         https://www.diodes.com/products/discrete/bipolar-transistors/special-function-transistors/avalanche-transistors/
>>         Normal bipolar transistors aren't optimized for avalanche
>>         mode operation and their breakdown parameters may vary a lot
>>         even having the same type number. They'll still show the
>>         breakdown effect.
>>
>>         Understanding Power Transistors Breakdown Parameters:
>>         https://www.onsemi.com/pub/Collateral/AN1628-D.PDF
>>
>>         "It is interesting to note that during multipaction events
>>         much of the
>>         technology present is designed to limit the amplification
>>         event to
>>         prevent damage to the devices."
>>         If the device melts or explodes it's no longer useful. This
>>         is a good reason for limiting the effect. This means the
>>         current must be limited or cut off from the outside as the
>>         device can't do it after being triggered.
>>
>>         Regards
>>         Ole
>>
>>
>>
>>         --In [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>,
>>         <mkjekyll@...> <mailto:mkjekyll@...> wrote :
>>
>>         Ole,
>>
>>         Can you explain how and if avalanche currents in certain
>>         transistors can
>>         mimic multipaction and the electron multiplication of
>>         secondary emission?
>>
>>         You mentioned awhile back a concept of power multiplication
>>         through
>>         avalanche mode rather than resonance as the system could be
>>         much less
>>         finicky.  Could you elaborate on this concept?
>>
>>         It is interesting to note that during multipaction events
>>         much of the
>>         technology present is designed to limit the amplification
>>         event to
>>         prevent damage to the devices.
>>
>>         Great data here:
>>
>>         https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multipactor_effect
>>
>>         More intense version:
>>
>>         https://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/1112/1112.2176.pdf
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