Re: [EVGRAY] Re: J ² = 1

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Hi Andreas,

 I found something here https://www.psiram.com/de/index.php/Gustav_Hans_Weber https://www.psiram.com/de/index.php/Gustav_Hans_Weber
It's in German and isn't the schematic I once saw. But it's the same person.

I found the schematic that I got of the self-runner and it is attached. This circuit uses a class X5R ceramic capacitor which has negative capacitance characteristic with increasing voltage. This looks like a perpetual motion machine of the second kind. I.e. it's converting heat into some other kind of energy (electrical energy and then back into heat and light through the lamp).

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Ole
 

---In [email protected], <freeen2012@...> wrote :

 Hi Ole, 
 The imaginary part j or square root of -1 means reactive power. This has to be changed to active power without having to take active power from the source. A parametric change in capacitance ought to do this job as a decrease in capacitance at constant charge means increase in energy.

 


You mean
 

 E = Q^2 / (2C)
 

 ? I just re(did) the integration to see where this comes from. The above work had to be performed (energy spent) to get a specific Q into a cap. The above equation is valid for constant C during the charge phase only! Charging a cap to a given Q with decreasing C requires extra energy as can easily be seen in the following equation:
 

 W = Integral (q / C) dq
 

 So we already had to do extra work to get the cap with the decreasing capacitance charged. Let’s assume we have some C charged to some Q now. How could the C further be decreased (after disconnecting the voltage supply)? The only way I see is by increasing the distance between the plates but this requires mechanical work!? 
 

 I don’t see the potential for FE in this. It may theoretically be possible if we could
 

 • charge the cap at constant C
 • then after disconnecting the power supply (constant Q) decrease the capacitance without having to apply mechanical work
 • then discharge into a load
 

 But these are many Ifs!? Where is the apparatus/concept that can do this. I see no potential at all! :-( Am I missing anything?
 

 Thanks,
 

  Andreas

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